When My Patient Sees His Shady Chiropractor 

You can't be cured if you aren't willing

@@NikoBellaKhouf2 That’s not how diseases work. Get out of here, fraud.

@@NikoBellaKhouf2 I hope you are being sarcastic... Anyway, OP, I had a freakin' tea store clerk tell me they had a herbal tea that would cure Crohn's. I swear, the world is full of nutcases who know someone who proved something.

​@NikoBellaKhouf2 You can't be cured of an incurable disease

@@NikoBellaKhouf2you are so right. From personal experience you are right. There are many things that people can do to put IBD in check without the conventional MD approach. Most GI docs don’t even understand. They make the diagnosis. Reach for the medicine or imunimidulating med and that’s it. Feel bad for them and their pts.

Disagree. I hadn’t been able to lay on my back for more than a couple of minutes; was like that for a decade. Started seeing a chiropractor and I now sleep on my back.

@@A---ti3zz And did you ever see a PT? I'm not saying chiros can never help, just that there's nothing chiros can help with that other specialties can't do better

I work in an ER and I see chiropractic induced injuries on a few times per year. Foot drop mostly, and the occasional vertebral artery dissection. I'd go with the masseuse and PT. Risk benefit ratio makes far more sense with those, compared to a chiro.

@@PzA37 Agreed. There are some chiros that know their limits, both in what they can treat and what is safe to perform, but far too many that don't.

@@tsukikage yes. It was a monumental waste of time and money.

Your poor sister. I can only imagine the pain she was in while drinking juice for it?? Thank goodness your parents stepped in. Yikes 😱

A chiropractor can help you with those concussions.

I like my herbal or natural remedies if they're easy, cheap, and not used instead of a prescription for a real problem.

A guy who worked for us had a blind chiropractor as his primary care "doctor." The DC didn't detect a tumor and the guy died of cancer shortly after.

Celiac is rare

@@Alboalt Not super-rare.

​@@Alboalt- so?

No, they are doctors of chiropractic

A pharmacist?

@@NikoBellaKhouf2 There are some chiropractors that know the limits of their practice and won't say their techniques can do anything beyond what there is SOME credible evidence of them being able to do, and definitely won't do anything that is seriously contra-indicated, like performing chiropractic techniques on infants. However, chiropractic care is based in a history of pseudoscience, and that pseudoscience persists in the industry today, leaving many chiropractors saying they can treat things that no accredited DC program should have taught them they can treat, and performing techniques that no such program should have taught them they should perform. Note that there isn't a SINGLE public university or college in the US that offers a chiropractic program. In addition, "In 2015, nine internationally accredited chiropractic colleges [...] made an open statement which included: "The teaching of the vertebral subluxation complex as a vitalistic construct that claims that it is the cause of disease is unsupported by evidence. Its inclusion in a modern chiropractic curriculum in anything other than an historic context is therefore inappropriate and unnecessary".

@@NikoBellaKhouf2they are not actually doctors at all, complete quacks

Dr Pepper WAS a real doctor. He was a pharmacist.

You're clueless

@@NikoBellaKhouf2 No I’m not. I have informed my opinion on this through reviewing the historical precedence on the origin of chiropractic medicine, review of peer reviewed sources looking at the quality of evidence for chiropractic interventions, and have personally seen the influence of the widely varied claims of chiropractors on my patients. I am not clueless. I take a tempered stance on this and am open to seeing any high quality evidence for chiropractic care.

@@osckey so basically, your opinion is based on feelings

@@osckey your patients? So you're a quack, that's why you're upset?

@@osckey when was the last time you cured someone of GERD or type 2 diabetes?

No - if you removed the chiropractic part, you'd have the same result

Maybe, I've just never solely used physical therapy on its own. I can tell you that for nerves that get pinched in the joint I've never found any relief from anything other than getting adjusted.

I had a stroke an hour after my last ever chiropractor adjustment. Never went back. Acupuncture was great but not covered so I had to stop, itvwas done by a board certified anesthetist on his days off.

​@@joywebster2678 I probably wouldn't either with that experience!

Been to chiropractors all my life and never saw one that acted that way or even discussed other diseases. Who are these people??

@@mellie4174 As far as I can tell this is representative of old stereotyping. That doesn't mean they don't exist. But certainly the rare exception not the rule.

I have met a few, and they're awful 😖 I felt terrible for all their patients 😔

@@mellie4174A local chiropractic office is ran by a married couple (both licensed chiros). Their About Us page talks about the reason they got into chiropractics. Their 3 year old son was non verbal and diagnosed with autism. Nothing the big doctors at the hospital did would "fix" him. Then, they took him to a chiropractor (first of all, the decision to do that to your 3 year old. Btw, their clinic accepts newborn infants and has a photo of them doing it to their second kid 🙃) . Gasp, the child is cured! He no longer has autism!! He can speak! Come bring YOUR child in for their adjustment now 👊. So some horrific people really are like this.

You. Should have asked for an MRI and a consult with a neurologist or neurosurgeon after finding MRI results. Your MD was not doing a good job. You need a new MD not a chirocracker. You wouldn’t have had to suffer for so long if you had not tolerated being ignored.

My DC has Never brought up big pharma.

@@patraic5241 Zai gezunt! 👏😒

Chiropractors are real doctors and get better results

@@NikoBellaKhouf2 that’s not true. I don’t know why you’re spreading outright lies. That’s strange, you can do better, come on.

@@osckey they study from the same books. They even doctorate degrees. They are doctors. And they get better results, that's a fact. Cope

@@NikoBellaKhouf2 You're completely full of sht.

My chiropractor literally started as an MD, doing his DC work on the side. His education was done with other MDs, except he went 2 extra years for his specialty in chiropractic medicine. He's been practicing for 30+ years and even gets sent patients from the VA.

I have EDS thus hypermobility. I stopped seeing a chiropractor after he insisted on adjusting my neck despite me wanting my back adjusted. When I went to work asxa RN later that day ( afternoon shift) collapsed with a stroke. No one pointed fingers but I stopped going, went to massage therapists instead.

The bad ones give the good ones a bad name. There IS peer reviewed literature in the DC and DO sphere. In the DO world, it is kept within its purview -as an adjunct tx

@@rebeccacrockett8334 where is the literature please? Last I did a dive, evidence indicated that it rarely performs better than placebo for anything other than LBP.

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That’s something offered by Osteopaths to help realign the skull plates in infants. Whether chiropractors should be doing is not something I’ve heard of..

My mother took me to chiropractors ever since I was a small child. I personally don't think it did anything positive, but I found it unhelpful any time I went when I was older. I found massage therapy worked much better.

It's a thing, and it's ridiculous

Keep on going. Adjust yourself time to time. 😂

Reputable chiropractors can help specifically with musculoskeletal stuff. I have a fabulous one I see. I'm a DO. I do some manipulation too. For musculoskeletal stuff. I do all the usual"MD" stuff for the things that need it. The shady chiropractors will push supplements, accupuncture and adjustment only, and have you come in more than weekly. Those shenanigans will lead to injury, delayed treatment, hypermobility, and later dependence on manipulation to correct the hypermobility.

​@@rebeccacrockett8334 thanks for this nuanced take! I wish there were more DOs that still did manual manipulation

how can anyone whose entire livelihood relies on pseudoscience not be shady?

@@caliglid yeah I don't know enough about it so I guess I wouldn't know. All I "know" is that there seems to be something to it and some chiropractors don't try to sell a ton of stuff other than their basic services. I guess I know a lot of people who like to go to the chiropractor and claim it's useful for them / they notice a difference. And I know some chiropractors outside of their work and they seem like reasonable intelligent people who genuinely want to help and believe in what chiropractic is for and does. But I've never been a customer so I don't know.

​@@caliglid Because they are not all like this. Bones being where they belong is not psuedoscience. Joints being misaligned causes pain. If there were really zero evidence to support it, insurance companies wouldn't cover it. Anthem BCBS covers it.

My chiropractor accepts insurance. My insurance covers 30 adjustments in a calendar year. It costs me $30 for the chiropractic adjustment + 1 hour massage at the chain I go to. Half the price of PT ($60 per session). I had to search far and wide and there was only 1 office in my entire town that accepted my insurance, and take this medical approach. They don’t sell any type of supplements or other “wack” stuff. In fact, they assured me it is against policy to do any of that. None of that doing chiropractic adjustments on newborn baby stuff either. My pain management doctor at a major hospital told me to try a chiropractor + massage and actually wrote the prior authorisation (?) for it. Perhaps that is an avenue worth checking if chiro is something your doctors are recommending for you.

All chiropractors are quacks. They always have been. I think you need to do some research into their history. And don't listen to the person who commented above me. They are obviously insane.

Right but they can’t chiropractic

Before there were sufficient studies on the dangers of smoking. One there was strong evidence, they stopped. That's the difference between medical science and chiropractors. Do you also think medical science is a joke because at one time no one understood bacteria?

I hope you are feeling better. How difficult has going on gluten-free been for you? How long did it take for you to make the switch 100% and cut all the gluten out? I have bad GI issues, lots of inflammatory pain, and lots of allergy like symptoms (no allergy test yet). But I have been working so hard to increase my weight with my dietician and finally hit my target weight 120lbs after 6 years of trying to gain weight. It’s why I haven’t been able to try gluten free up until now, but if I get to a point where I can increase and maintain weight, it is something my PCP, dietician, pain management, etc… all think I may benefit from trying. But I think the idea scares me because I am afraid of weight loss and changes to my gut health and how that will affect my constipation. Im scared how a new diet could make things worse. How were you able to mentally say: “okay, I am going to make this big diet change.”? Thank you if you take the time to read this.

@arespostale_art There are many gluten-free substitutes. I like bread and eventually found Canyon Bakehouse gluten-free bread which to me tastes the best. From there, it was a matter of reading labels. You would be surprised at the number of processed foods that have gluten added. It is fairly easy to at least lighten your gluten intake.

@@visitingfromsantafe1329 thank you for responding. yes, the fact so many things have gluten added is part of what scares me about potentially starting the diet! I give up on eating so easily, and have trouble maintaining weight. Especially if I were to eat out. I will definitely keep my mind and stomache open for it though, thank you!

Because one is based on evidence and the other is not. There are actually an almost infinite number of non-evidence based care. Some people smoked and lived to 100, that does not mean that smoking is fine. Your anecdote is very anecdotal. Good for you, a single individual. Evidence based medicine is the only way you can even become close to usually truthful. If something works 99% then it still fails once every hundred times. Placebo works about 5-15% of the time. Something has to be BETTER than placebo to be real. Your personal story is very likely part of that 5-15%.

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If you have pain, see a masseuse, PT, pain specialist, or multiple of the above.

If you have pain, see a masseuse, PT, pain specialist, or multiple of the above.

@@tsukikage they ALL have their contributions to healthcare...not acknowledging that, well just shows bias and ignorance...

Well, you could "make the same video mocking MDs," but that would only prove how incredibly clueless, ignorant and stoopid you are lol.

@@raynic1173 Non evidence-based medicine has no place n healthcare at all.

@tsukikage As a massage therapist, please don’t see me if you have sudden onset pain, or if you wake up aching all over for “no reason”. I’m not a doctor and cannot fix you. I may be trained in various skills and stretching, but I am not a PT. If you have sore muscles from working out, physical activities or not being active enough (desk job or sedentary), I can probably help. If you have poor posture, I can give you pointers. All else, pretty much, see a freaking doctor or PT, and do what they say if it makes sense or get a second opinion if it doesn’t. Don’t rely on anecdotal evidence from your friends, or their friends’ cousin. Try to trust people who went to school and completed training for multiple years in the field in which they practice. In other words, don’t see a cardiac dr for knee pain, don’t see a lung Dr for eye pain, don’t see a chiro for anything outside of treating musculoskeletal misalignment that gets diagnosed by a medical Dr that advises that chiro may help. Otherwise, you could really end up a lot worse off.