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When PEX goes horribly wrong 

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I did an inspection on this house and this is the worst PEX installation I have ever seen. This is to give you an idea of what to look for when you have a plumber installing PEX in your house.
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@elBusDriverKC
@elBusDriverKC 2 года назад
First time I did pex work, if a cut wasn't perfect or a crimp wasn't perfect I redid it. It did cost me extra time and money, but helped with peace of mind. I called my plumber friend out to check my work. I was told my pex work was high quality plumber style work. No leaks from the beginning to now which is about 5 years later. That's definitely when I fell in love with pex but also learned to respect the pex. It has it's limitations for sure.
@gebronthomasson6960
@gebronthomasson6960 Год назад
The clamp is a better method vs. the crimp..in my experience..now granted the two jobs I’ve been involved in are only less than two years in service BUT as of yet no leaks..and i know there is no doubt that we indeed did not make perfect cuts and clamps
@LearnPlumbing
@LearnPlumbing 6 месяцев назад
RESPEX THE PEX
@IppiopaidFEEDBACK
@IppiopaidFEEDBACK 2 года назад
This was excellent an tutorial and review of shotty work! Most of the plumbers that I have worked with as it assistant never do the work as the manufacture specifies. Everybody always wants to cut corners and they say the magical words “that should be fine” which always annoys me because I feel there’s too many variables with the word “should”. The only thing that annoys the hell out of me is that PEX is so much faster than soldering and yet people still can’t take the little time to do it right. All of the new construction materials and tools make the job so much faster, which allows for greater productivity but doesn’t always lead to better craftsmanship. I think that’s just a flaw in human nature trying to get things done as soon as possible and not taking pride in workmanship.
@MyFortressConstruction
@MyFortressConstruction Год назад
So I oversee a gamut of trades and I have to consistently remind them of manufacturer specs., building codes, aesthetic details, as well as common sense approaches to installation. Contractors need to step away from the mass production model of business and get more hands-on with their subs if we are going to see a change in work quality.
@47luscsettle44
@47luscsettle44 3 года назад
This is why I hate to pay for anything that I can, or should, be able to do myself. I don't know how many times I have had to go back and redo work that a professional has done.
@grega4450
@grega4450 3 года назад
exactly
@RingZero
@RingZero 2 года назад
Agree with you 100%, these bozos and so called "pros" have contaminated this service industry. They have only helped homeowners to be good auto techs, electricians, plumbers, carpenters and now HVAC techs in my case.
@jerrymalinowski9736
@jerrymalinowski9736 2 года назад
So true. Ironically, often they (the city) require you to use licensed workers which cost a lot more , that come with attitude, and often you get very poor results. I’ve concluded, if you want something done right you got to do it yourself. At times, I didn’t want to break my head learning a task so I contracted it out to licensed workers only to have to get poor results then having to learn it myself anyways and then fix the poor job. They just don’t care most of the times. Don’t want to generalize, but sticking to my policy has worked the best for me
@markchidester6239
@markchidester6239 2 года назад
"professional"
@samueltremblay275
@samueltremblay275 2 года назад
I'm totally agree with you but even if I now have the knowledge, I don't have the practice and practicing some sensitive tasks like that in my house is not an option.
@183mp
@183mp 2 года назад
Wow you saved me. I went down the basement and checked the start of a project. It was a wake up call. Went down the next day and corrected some sloppy crimps which were all due to the 1/8” distance. I owe you big time.
@MyFortressConstruction
@MyFortressConstruction 2 года назад
Glad you were able to correct some things. Good job! And as they say, "Do it once, do it right!"
@guyshaddock7110
@guyshaddock7110 3 года назад
Thanks for this. I think before anybody does any Pex crimp work, they should see this video. Your point of how forgiving pex is but then how if it is not done properly can cause "near future" problems, is the well presented message of your video!
@franzvonkrau8131
@franzvonkrau8131 3 года назад
Not a plumber, but this helped me to understand this common mistake someone new might make, thank you.
@johnmilton2077
@johnmilton2077 3 года назад
exactly yes very helpful
@erickaschyk711
@erickaschyk711 4 года назад
Thanks for the video! As a DIYer getting ready to tackle my first pex project it gives me much greater confidence knowing what to watch out for in my own work.
@MyFortressConstruction
@MyFortressConstruction 4 года назад
Glad it was helpful.
@OutlawMonstersPerson
@OutlawMonstersPerson 2 года назад
You might want to check out Uponor PEX A also. It's easier to use. Make sure your cuts are straight and hold it to the backing on the fittings until it retracts and clamps the fitting. Very good systems.
@larrykent196
@larrykent196 2 года назад
Great video, it does happen not everyone does a good job. Thanks for exposing the challenges with PEX and things to look out for. Cheers!
@donnya205
@donnya205 2 года назад
Thank you very informative. Wish all contractors and apprentices were like you.
@peteybeast6806
@peteybeast6806 3 года назад
THANK YOU , seen other Videos about Pex but none mention the proper way to crimp , I feel a little better on this lil “honey do” i’m about to tackle, thank you again
@GraniteQuarrier
@GraniteQuarrier 3 года назад
Very helpful! Just did my first crimp earlier today and had to double check my work.
@TheBorrito
@TheBorrito Год назад
Thank you for taking the time to make this video. My goodness, could you imagine the eventual homeowner having issues down the road. They would have never known there was an issue when they purchased the house. They just expect quality work in an American home.
@MyFortressConstruction
@MyFortressConstruction Год назад
Yeah, to an untrained homeowner's eyes these fittings would have looked fine. Even the general contractor didn't see anything wrong. It's why a GC needs to understand all of the materials and systems he is putting inside of the house, otherwise he might not be a GC for long.
@reggiekenner1527
@reggiekenner1527 2 года назад
I spent 5 days in the attic of my rental house a couple years ago replacing galvanized hot water lines from the 70s. A friend, who had been a plumber, told me about PEX. I used only brass fittings and the pinch-type clamps. I've been up there since to check for any leaks and found none. I should note that I live in Southern California so freezing weather is not a problem. I was unaware of the requirements concerning distance from the nubs but I cut straight and pressed the PEX all the way to the nub before clamping. Fingers crossed. As my pal told me (I was 70 when I did that work), "Attics are a young man's game"
@solarsynapse
@solarsynapse 2 года назад
Didn't California ban PEX (Especially type A which is 4 time worse.) because it leaches toxins into the water?
@caribbeanbound8357
@caribbeanbound8357 2 года назад
@@solarsynapse California bans everything. You have to label virtually everything as a carcinogen if its sold there. Even natural toothpaste containing clay that is told there has to be labeled as a carcinogen! hahahah
@user-ed5jh3ff6u
@user-ed5jh3ff6u Месяц назад
Yes they are
@andrewkelly1225
@andrewkelly1225 3 года назад
That's really methed up!!
@OGRH
@OGRH 2 года назад
🤣
@NursingKAMP
@NursingKAMP 3 года назад
This was very informative- easy problems to avoid by a 10 minute video- Great Job!
@MyFortressConstruction
@MyFortressConstruction 3 года назад
Thank you, glad it was informative.
@Kevin.L_
@Kevin.L_ 2 года назад
So glad I found this before I started using PEX. Thank you!
@murraymetcalf-CA
@murraymetcalf-CA 3 года назад
Really good information, along with clear illustrations. Thanks for sharing. Hard-to-believe this disaster was installed by a so-called professional.
@eggmanfryer
@eggmanfryer 3 года назад
Too hard for me to believe a pro did this. I think he saved money and had his brother-in-law do the work.
@MyFortressConstruction
@MyFortressConstruction 3 года назад
I know, right? The plumbers I've used have been great, but I ran into another yahoo like this down in Austin... Scary.
@sonofthunder.
@sonofthunder. 4 года назад
good job,learned a lot ,I just used pex for first time,using the 1/8 spacing ,and crimp it cinch rings ,some copper,and type k in our slab which has a pvc blue jacket,somebody really hacked that job,good info on tub spout,I thought copper was required because of its larger inner diameter,didnt realize it may back up into shower head,keep doin videos
@MyFortressConstruction
@MyFortressConstruction 4 года назад
Yep, the ID is why you can't use 1/2" pex, though it obviously doesn't stop everyone...
@psoon04286
@psoon04286 3 года назад
Wow, quite an eye-opener. As a home DIYer and trying out the PEX system for a small home project I came upon this video hoping to catch some tips only to see the type of work some 'professional' plumbers do. I'll be sure to comply fully in my project. Thanks for the education.
@MyFortressConstruction
@MyFortressConstruction 3 года назад
Your welcome. The different pex systems have their nuances, but reading through manufacturer installation requirements goes a long way in ensuring a solid system. Pex-A or B can be great or terrible depending on who installs them. God bless and I think you'll enjoy it.
@pf5658
@pf5658 2 года назад
@Phillip Soon You said professionals. That was your mistake. I would called them, so- called professionals.
@jonsworld5307
@jonsworld5307 Год назад
99% of thos would of out lasted the pipe its self people over think worry to much that said there was 1 or 2 even id not go with
@jacobmiller7175
@jacobmiller7175 6 месяцев назад
​@@jonsworld5307 you mind sharing your business name? Just want to make sure i dont hire you. Thanks
@markchidester6239
@markchidester6239 2 года назад
Nice video. Good to know I (homeowner) did a better job than a "professional" plumber. To beat that, with my first PEX plumbing job.
@therealsideburnz
@therealsideburnz Год назад
A lot of times knowledge isn't necessarily the limitation, it's the willingness to take the time required to do things correctly
@gaewing
@gaewing 3 года назад
Thanks for sharing the tub issue with us. I found 10 years ago after having wall all tiled in and the water valve had no mention of this problem. Lot of work to fix. Mine showed up with water coming out of the shower head.
@MyFortressConstruction
@MyFortressConstruction 3 года назад
Yes, that is a bummer...
@BobboMax1
@BobboMax1 3 года назад
I've seen the issue with undersized line down to the spout. Told the owner she needed to call the plumbers back. Good news for the dumberPlumbers was the head of the tub backed up to a closet. Bad news, they had to drive 45 minutes each way to to fix a 10 minute screwup. And they had pay me to repair the drywall & replace the shelves.
@Harley365
@Harley365 4 года назад
I'm no plumber but I know enough to see that they are wrong. Its sad that some people are just that lazy
@DosDonts101
@DosDonts101 3 года назад
pure laziness - no pride in the work
@feliciad4493
@feliciad4493 3 года назад
@@DosDonts101 Or people like me, who don't know what they're doing and are too poor to pay for a plumber. :)
@bertharvey3137
@bertharvey3137 3 года назад
thank you for this video i have been researching for my refit at home and could not find these basics glad i found this before i got any further along been crimping too close to fittings.
@MyFortressConstruction
@MyFortressConstruction 3 года назад
Glad it helped! Hope your project goes well.
@ksoriano9766
@ksoriano9766 Год назад
Thank you for this very good video, I am working on a bypass to install my water softener this weekend and these examples of how it does not suppose to look are great
@MyFortressConstruction
@MyFortressConstruction Год назад
Great and if you're line is 3/4" copper or something besides Pex-B I would try to keep your line as 1" Pex-B so as not to restrict flow too much if you plan on not using the water softener for long periods. If it's just temporary servicing then 3/4" is fine.
@Smellslikegelfling
@Smellslikegelfling 3 года назад
Some of those cuts are pretty gnarly too.
@WindyYucca
@WindyYucca 3 года назад
I worked maintenance for a large school district and you wouldn't believe what licensed contractors would get away with. Us maintenance guys would always have to go back and fix it right. That plumbing job looks like elementary kids installed it.
@eddiephillips264
@eddiephillips264 2 года назад
That plumber should be executed
@thisplaceisazoo
@thisplaceisazoo 9 месяцев назад
This is the first video about Pex that I have seen that addresses these problems thoroughly. I think I will just do CPVC on my small plumbing job. thanks
@jakecornett5083
@jakecornett5083 3 года назад
Great video. Helped me a ton with my diy! Thanks man
@LaserJet58
@LaserJet58 3 года назад
Thank you for sharing your knowledge, I wish everybody would be honest and work correctly.
@stipcrane
@stipcrane Год назад
Great video. As a general contractor (or even a homeowner) you don't need to be an expert in every trade, but ultimately you are the one who has to identify poor workmanship and get it rectified. It takes gumption to challenge a proud tradesman who has practiced for 20 years, but believe me, there are guys who have been doing it wrong for 20 years. I came across one sub who knew all the best practices fluently and guaranteed that he abided by them. 6 months later, when all the tile of two bathrooms was torn out, it was plainly obvious that he outright lied about taking the protective measures against water intrusion.
@MyFortressConstruction
@MyFortressConstruction Год назад
Yes, it's unfortunate but I find that I have to know the technical aspects of every trade. From rebar overlap in a foundation, to water lines and waterproofing in a shower, you need to know any possible issue that could occur later on because ultimately, as a GC, you will be held liable for it all.
@d-m.n_--2
@d-m.n_--2 8 месяцев назад
This was an excellent constructive breakdown of proper pex handling.
@robertallen3133
@robertallen3133 3 года назад
Thank you for sharing this information. I pray that it did not cost a lot to make the corrections.
@MyFortressConstruction
@MyFortressConstruction 3 года назад
It was $800 I want to say, so much better to pay that then have mold or drywall issues in the future.
@tedmart4212
@tedmart4212 2 года назад
I bought some of those plastic fittings for exposed pex lines in a basement. Crimped a plastic tee and later pushed the line up to fasten. The TEE BROKE IN TWO. Sprayed water everywhere. Use the brass ones and check every crimp. Cut off any that dont crimp right as you go
@Wowwwwwwzer
@Wowwwwwwzer Месяц назад
Yes, well sometimes plastic is preferable to brass. Some people have more challenging conditions - like well water - that can corrode brass and create a leak, and plastic doesn't corrode.
@ryancduff
@ryancduff 3 года назад
There's nothing wrong with Pex B / crimps. You just need to know and care about what you're doing. I used it 10 years ago for the first time (not as a plumber) and my cuts and crimps were cleaner that whatever this guy tried to do. A crimp remover goes a long way too. You can cut out a section of pipe without having to cut out entire fittings. Granted, they work a lot better on brass fittings than plastic which is why you should use brass.
@rafaeldiazus
@rafaeldiazus 2 года назад
Great info. Its unfortunate so much rework. The person who crimped should be following you around and learning.
@johnmilton2077
@johnmilton2077 3 года назад
thank you for posting and sharing this, very helpful
@christopher3406
@christopher3406 Год назад
Wow. I don't do this type of pex. But it's good to know. This is why prefer cold expansion connections. PEX A Awesome video. Thank.
@SIE44TAR
@SIE44TAR 3 года назад
Gentlemen, this brings me to my next point. Don't smoke crack.
@MyFortressConstruction
@MyFortressConstruction 3 года назад
lol, or maybe he needed a hit that day...
@LP-MeAndMyShadow
@LP-MeAndMyShadow 3 года назад
I doubt that. Even if a hit can bring the addict up to normal you still will not get exceptional quality work.
@jamescalifornia2964
@jamescalifornia2964 3 года назад
Just go old fashioned - threaded galvanized pipe. 👌😁
@fixerupperer
@fixerupperer 2 года назад
@@jamescalifornia2964 threaded brass pipe is better.
@jamescalifornia2964
@jamescalifornia2964 2 года назад
@@fixerupperer / That would be awesome. Last forever !! 👌
@benryals7475
@benryals7475 10 месяцев назад
The previous plumber is the kind of person that would get a pat on the back for getting the job done quicker from many of the “professionals” I have worked with
@MyFortressConstruction
@MyFortressConstruction 10 месяцев назад
Yes, it's unfortunate.
@redmapleleafwanderer
@redmapleleafwanderer Год назад
Thank you for this video. Learning a big thing for free.
@madcowusa4277
@madcowusa4277 2 года назад
Glad I bought the tool and went with expansion PEX. Simply love working with pex-A and not dealing with metal rings or wondering if I missed something.
@stevethewsimpson25
@stevethewsimpson25 8 месяцев назад
I guess that you didn't watch the video. He said that expansion PEX is MORE likely to leak over time than with crimp rings.
@williamnickerson7166
@williamnickerson7166 4 года назад
No pride in the Plummers' work.
@RP-gi4ch
@RP-gi4ch 3 года назад
Plummers? What about the plumbers?
@ronm3380
@ronm3380 Год назад
Thank you. Great explanations. I was wondering WHY pex could not be used from the valve to the tub spout. Nobody explained why but you did. I will make sure I use 1/2 in copper!
@MyFortressConstruction
@MyFortressConstruction Год назад
Glad it helped!
@lowlypawn
@lowlypawn 2 года назад
Good video, I was actually looking for what happens if you use an expand tool on Pex B instead of A. Those crimps were pretty shitty. But that's probably closer to the norm then the exception, especially in remodels with no inspection. Like you said, those fittings are so forgiving those will still last many many years.
@solarsynapse
@solarsynapse 2 года назад
What did you find out with your question? I don't think the B will shrink back.
@dansr6333
@dansr6333 2 года назад
You can crimp A pex . But do not expand B pex to go on expansion fittings. You would be counting on the expansion rings only to go back to size not B pex. If you expand just right it can work but definitely not recommended. A pex is special with its memory to go back to size.
@jeffgarner3178
@jeffgarner3178 3 года назад
Great PEX B explanation. As a DYI I will be cutting out a bad crimp on my house because of this video. I have transitioned to Uponor PEX A from PEX B so I have an issue with both. Unfortunately I need to wait till my friend gets back in town so I can borrow his Uponor $450+ Milwaukee expansion tool to fix my weekend mistakes. Both PEX A & B are challenging to use in a remodel. with corners and tight spaces to crimp in. I need those plastic fittings with the stops. I used to use tape on both sides of the crimp ring to insure my ring didn't slip while crimping.
@MyFortressConstruction
@MyFortressConstruction 3 года назад
👍 You can also take the rings and tap them on a hard surface to make them slighlty oval and then they won't slide around on the pipe. Both systems have their pros and cons, but I will continue to stick with copper soldering and PEX-B because the only real issue is that they are difficult to install.
@floydalbright1214
@floydalbright1214 3 года назад
You can't use pex fittings with pex b pipe .
@jeffgarner3178
@jeffgarner3178 3 года назад
@@floydalbright1214 I didn't I had to use a special couplings that In was screwed together. one side was Pex B and used crimp ring and other side Pex A with expansion tool. Used Pex a fittings for Pex A pipe and Pex B fittings with Pex B pipe
@twbrkfd1733
@twbrkfd1733 2 года назад
Use cinch clamps instead. MUCH MUCH MUCH easier.
@guidedbygreen1480
@guidedbygreen1480 Год назад
@@jeffgarner3178 you can use PEX b cinch rings on PEX A, just not the other way around.
@davidwagner9659
@davidwagner9659 Год назад
Fantastic video. Thank you 🙏
@amichiz
@amichiz 2 года назад
I’m bout to start as an apprentice next week this really help !
@MyFortressConstruction
@MyFortressConstruction 2 года назад
Great! Do well in your work and keep pride in your trade. 👍👍
@qxm3669
@qxm3669 3 года назад
No professional would ever do that kind of work
@MonkeyZeus194
@MonkeyZeus194 3 года назад
My word this is atrocious. I hope this guy got paid nothing more than maybe material for just the pex tubing. I can practically hear the air quotes when you said "professional plumber".
@jerryswinehart4467
@jerryswinehart4467 3 года назад
Great video. I am new using pex and have some personnel home repair. I am now confident.
@MyFortressConstruction
@MyFortressConstruction 3 года назад
It's great stuff to work with if you follow the rules. Good luck!
@TxRiverElf
@TxRiverElf Год назад
Thank you!!! Great video! This will definitely inspire me to try my best to do it right, the first time!
@MyFortressConstruction
@MyFortressConstruction Год назад
👍 Always the way to go!
@mattd7135
@mattd7135 4 года назад
Must be the same plumber, and I use that term lightly, that did my house
@MyFortressConstruction
@MyFortressConstruction 4 года назад
Yes... Unfortunately, there are many plumbing companies that spread their Masters out across many jobsites and it's apprentices that are doing the actual work with little to no supervision.
@bcbock
@bcbock 3 года назад
And God help you if you get a remodeling company for a shower whose “plumbers” use Sharkbite fittings and will put PEX in stressed positions rather than using a couple of extra elbow fittings. I had a licensed plumber yank it out and put in copper.
@brianrobertson1211
@brianrobertson1211 3 года назад
@@MyFortressConstruction I really think that is the case. I can see how inexperienced plumbers getting experience by making these mistakes.
@TheRetiredtech
@TheRetiredtech 3 года назад
@@MyFortressConstruction and way to many masters arent
@christiaangeerken4877
@christiaangeerken4877 3 года назад
At 6:55 you can see the top pipe has sun fading. Manufacturer limits sun exposure to 30 days max. Looks to me it got way more than 30 days u.v. exposure.
@matthews7805
@matthews7805 4 месяца назад
Thank you for that! I'm about to invest in a PEX set just to have on hand and needed a little training on how to do it right!
@MyFortressConstruction
@MyFortressConstruction 4 месяца назад
Great, just make sure you keep it out of UV light (fluorescent, incandescent, and even LED lights can all emit UV radiation to varying levels). It's not usually an issue, but I cover any pipe or plastic fittings that will be exposed to even a day of sunlight. I see some plumbers leave pex pipes out in the sun for months. That's just asking for problems.
@branonmack
@branonmack 2 года назад
I was worried that I might not do a good job, but not anymore, thank you for the explanation!
@MyFortressConstruction
@MyFortressConstruction 2 года назад
Yeah, you'll do fine. Just review the manufacturer instructions and you'll be off to the races. Couple of reminders: Don't leave it in the sun for more than a day (try not to at all). Oversize your PEX (3/4" PEX has about the same flow rate as 1/2" copper). Make clean cuts and straight crimps. Try to keep fittings to a minimum as they reduce flowrate and add the possibility of a leak.
@drew-pp9gm
@drew-pp9gm 3 года назад
That’s why you don’t let the new guy crimp the pex, whoever made that mess clearly hasn’t even written his first block
@shawnd567
@shawnd567 3 года назад
The majority of those connections wouldn't have had an issue. The only time I've seen pex leak is when I forget to crimp it.
@nandisaand5287
@nandisaand5287 3 года назад
Re-watch around the 8 minute mark, then delete this comment
@lukie4ever
@lukie4ever 3 года назад
What about the long run my friend, it's meant to last not to seal for 5 years or so
@Realism91
@Realism91 18 дней назад
Four seasons where I live so there's lots of chances for expansion to do what he's explaining, I've also never seen it happen, I'm sure it's possible, I've had faulty PEX crimps where the tab wasn't bent enough from the factory just from one brand and only a couple batches maybe 10 years ago.
@ironworksvideo9993
@ironworksvideo9993 3 года назад
Very Good Explanation and Demonstration! Thank you
@MyFortressConstruction
@MyFortressConstruction 3 года назад
Glad it was helpful.
@scottsjeeprolet
@scottsjeeprolet 4 года назад
Dang it! Now i gotta find a 1/2NPTF to 3/4 pex adapter for the new bath faucet i purchased. Trying to avoid soldering in a fitting. Great Video, learned a lot.
@MyFortressConstruction
@MyFortressConstruction 4 года назад
Yes, you can order a 1/2" fnpt /Mnpt to 3/4 PEX adapter and a 1/2 fnpt x 3/4 pex drop ear elbow from home Depot or any supplier. They're just not stock normally. Soldering is a good thing to learn, just maybe practice on something easier than the downspout, because soldering copper to brass is harder than copper to copper. Good luck on your project while we're all stuck at home.
@erics3886
@erics3886 4 года назад
If you make the tub spout line with pex it will make the shower head always run. Look at the spec's from any manufacturer and it clearly says don't run spout in pex.
@ericellis8852
@ericellis8852 3 года назад
If a last resort use brass or galvanized pipe, they worked for a long time, it does take more effort, much stronger when completed!
@frotobaggins7169
@frotobaggins7169 3 года назад
@@ericellis8852 and it's STRONG, unlike copper and certainly pex.
@mikediamond353
@mikediamond353 3 года назад
Thanks for the close up video. In your explanation, try to indicate with a pencil instead of a finger.
@georgedavall9449
@georgedavall9449 3 года назад
Really? Don’t be so picky
@MyFortressConstruction
@MyFortressConstruction 3 года назад
Actually, that's not a bad idea, thanks.
@bobgreene2892
@bobgreene2892 3 года назад
Good presentation, clearly explained. One small suggestion-- when detailing what is wrong with a PEX connection, your camera should be much closer, if possible. The tape measure sequence was OK, but hard to see which rib on the connector was the problem. For the beginner, a closer shot will make crooked angles and close tolerances much easier to see. We subscribed and liked.
@MyFortressConstruction
@MyFortressConstruction 3 года назад
Thanks for that, I am trying to improve my videography skills. Practice makes perfect!
@nimrod275
@nimrod275 2 года назад
@@MyFortressConstruction actually you did good. I know very little about pex but I found each error almost as soon as I seen it. Thanks for the information!
@karlarndt9348
@karlarndt9348 3 года назад
Great video. Thank you!
@MyFortressConstruction
@MyFortressConstruction 3 года назад
You're welcome!
@staberdearth3130
@staberdearth3130 Год назад
Great video for understanding how to properly install PEX B crimping. I note that there are drill plates over the drain lines but no drill plates over the PEX B lines. I opted for the PEX A system with expander fittings for my own home as I find the system somewhat superior and the added cost minimal for such a small installation in my case. To my mind, the method has less of a chance of making a bad connection.
@MyFortressConstruction
@MyFortressConstruction Год назад
Yes, you do have to have steady hands and better coordination with Pex-B. You also have to think ahead, because you can get yourself into a situation where the tool can't reach. The flow rate also makes you up-size on the trunk and not share too many fixtures from 1/2", however it is stronger than Pex-A and I trust the copper ring more than the elastic collars on Pex-A. I don't think either one is inherently different though, and life span should be the same, but I've found 30 year old crimps under old mobile homes that have survived many freezes and thaws and they're still going strong. Can't say the same for Uponor because it's such a young system. Course it comes down to personal preference, biases and ol' plumber tales since neither system has been around for a century.
@staberdearth3130
@staberdearth3130 Год назад
@@MyFortressConstruction All matter of opinion. I find the PEX A expander system to have less opportunity to install incorrectly. I’ve installed both. And trust myself. Some others? Not so much. You focus on mobile homes, fair enough. I do not install in mobile homes.
@danpan4425
@danpan4425 3 года назад
It sucks that you can pressure test the system and have not leaked at that time, and that is why I like copper
@fixerupperer
@fixerupperer 2 года назад
If an installer puts half the attention and care into a pex joint that they put into a properly done solder joint there really shouldnt be an issue. Ive worked on a big remodel job. A house plumbed with copper that held pressure for a while(hours or a day maybe) and seemed fine initially. A line burst when noone was around for hours and caused a good bit of damage to subfloors etc. Turns out a 1/2" fitting got prepped and fluxed but not sweated. Was a tight enough fit and sat long enough with flux on it before getting pressurized that it held pressure (probably 50 psi+) for hours with possibly a tiny drip. It wasnt one of my joints, I believe i wasnt soldering yet with that company.
@garymorton1723
@garymorton1723 3 года назад
6:50 that top pipe looks like it's been sitting in the sun.
@MyFortressConstruction
@MyFortressConstruction 3 года назад
Yeah, that was something I didn't mention. Some of the pipe was bleached, and as you probably know, uv light and pex don't mix. Or rather, chlorine and uv degraded pex don't mix.
@eggmanfryer
@eggmanfryer 3 года назад
Good eye sir. If so, there will be pin holes in no time.
@JMCretella
@JMCretella 3 года назад
Great video! Thanks for sharing
@MyFortressConstruction
@MyFortressConstruction 3 года назад
You bet!
@lennygriffin4464
@lennygriffin4464 11 месяцев назад
Thank you for sharing the information.
@floydalbright1214
@floydalbright1214 3 года назад
This has to be removed and start over, what kinda hack would pipe like that ?
@NETWizzJbirk
@NETWizzJbirk 3 года назад
It is Pex-B, which is very popular now
@GoatZilla
@GoatZilla 3 года назад
An American plumber
@tylerwells207
@tylerwells207 3 года назад
Great video, thanks for posting! I did have a question, though. Years past, I used a crimping tool that came with two different “go” and “no go” gauges. As long as the ring fit into the “go” range, one was good, at least I thought. I’ve been reading about over-crimping and cannot find any info as to what the cons may be. I figure the tighter the fitting is, the better, right? The Apollo crimp tool I recently bought comes with the same gauge tool you touched on. Are the lines between “go” and “no go” supposed to line up in the middle of the ring once crimped? And again, if the ring goes all the way in, what’s the harm? I’ve crimped a few couplings that spin once the ring is on, having passed the gauge test, but it worries me. From other comments, it appears that’s normal. The Apollo tool comes with a pressure gauge from 0-3. Any suggestions on where to set it for 1/2” pex rings? At 0, it seemed to fit perfectly based on your video, but again, if the fitting can twist, it makes me nervous it may pop off. Sorry for rambling - any help is appreciated!
@MyFortressConstruction
@MyFortressConstruction 3 года назад
I have never had to calibrate a crimp tool, but you are correct in the assumption that if the ring fits in the "go" section of the gauge after crimping, then it is good. So you can spin a fitting after crimping if you have to, but I prefer not to unless there's no way to avoid it. If the line spins freely, with no initial tightness, then I would think the ring isn't crimped how it should be. As for over crimping, I've never heard of that since jaws limit themselves for the most part, but I suppose there could be a set out there like yours that aren't machined to limit themselves. If in doubt, I would call the manufacturer.
@truthbetold1855
@truthbetold1855 2 года назад
@@MyFortressConstruction The only ones I could see that could overset are the ones that have "attachments" that you put on for the different sizes. The ones I have, like you said, just have a physical limit. But they say they CAN be adjusted if too tight. 🤔
@robertcollette9726
@robertcollette9726 2 года назад
Doing my first pex from copper. Im just installing a walk in tub. It came with pex on it. Had never seen it before. Been watching all sorts of videos. This is very helpful. Before even knowing where to crimp. That work rite there. I couldn't ever leave it looking like that. When i build something. I want it to last for its entirety. So no one ever has to go back and fix it. Had this lady that wanted me to just sheet rock over her back door. I was like nope wont do it. Of course she was like why. I asked her why she wanted to do it. She said she seen someone do it that way and if anyone wanted to redo it the door would be there. I said we have a sliding glass door. She is 75 and hard to deal with.
@robertorivera2747
@robertorivera2747 2 года назад
Thank you for such an awesome video, I am about to replace old galvanize pipes with PEX and my knowledge is limited to copper piping.
@MyFortressConstruction
@MyFortressConstruction 2 года назад
Glad you enjoyed. PEX-A or B are great products if installed correctly.
@heyitsrick01
@heyitsrick01 2 года назад
@@MyFortressConstruction Nobody seems to mention the toxic LEACHING onto our water from the PEX........... DUH NOT TOO COOL when we're POISONING ourselves AND. if this stuff can last MAYBE 20 years.......... duh, we'll be ripping apart our homes & replumbing everything & repairing all the damage from leaks... DOESN"T seem like a valuable product... sure it may be simple, but the problems overshadow the seeming benefits... PERSONALLY I think I'd rather go with copper... Besides, COPPER is a natural germ killer of anything in the water...
@fixerupperer
@fixerupperer 2 года назад
@@heyitsrick01 some pex leaches more than others. There have been some hurdles(like dezincification) but properly installed it should last a lot more than twenty years. In Some water conditions copper wont do anywhere close to twenty years. Yes the antimicrobial action of copper is mostly a plus.
@elnicadrums
@elnicadrums 3 года назад
looks like they cut the pex with their teeth.. 🤣🤣... you should get a refund on...🤣🤣👋.. when I install the shower valves I do all the connections with copper..
@irishsavage8715
@irishsavage8715 3 года назад
You’re never supposed to bend pex off of a fitting, you’re supposed to clamp and then you can make up to 22.5 degree turn.
@MyFortressConstruction
@MyFortressConstruction 3 года назад
Yeah, you would think it would be common sense. Flexible pipe needs support.
@666cowboy69
@666cowboy69 3 года назад
I was looking for this thank you!
@honolulu1476
@honolulu1476 3 года назад
Best PEX video I have seen. Thank you very much
@tonyhwang3888
@tonyhwang3888 3 года назад
Scary looking Halloween PEX job.
@garytman007
@garytman007 3 года назад
Wow! No wonder why there are so many sharkbite and pex haters out there. Its solely because installers such as this are giving them a bad rep. The cutting of the pex looks like some kids cut it with a saw or a pair of dull scissors and the crimping tool they used was obviously a pair of pliers. You can see that the crimping rings are no longer "rings" they are flared out and flattened. I have never seen such shoddy work and I'm not even a plumber. I did a few pex lines myself and never had a leak so far. I liked how you explained where to actually crimp, this made it very clear to me. I just can't believe that I actually crimped in the right area on the pipe!
@bubba007sss
@bubba007sss 3 года назад
When using the copper rings I use a pair of pliers to squeeze the ring a little so that the ring does not move before crimping
@mchevalier77
@mchevalier77 3 года назад
I just squeeze the ring a little with my teeth.
@heyitsrick01
@heyitsrick01 2 года назад
Nice idea, but apparently that can make the ring OUT OF a circle alignment so NOW it's MORE likely to leak
@bubba007sss
@bubba007sss 2 года назад
@@heyitsrick01 you only squeeze it very lightly and they do not leak. The only way it would leak if you squeeze it to much.
@joshm5816
@joshm5816 3 года назад
Use Uponor, problem solved.
@MyFortressConstruction
@MyFortressConstruction 3 года назад
Yes, Uponor is usually a plumber's choice. I have a feeling the plumber told his apprentice to do this job and said, "Good luck!"
@ralph5450
@ralph5450 3 года назад
Thanks for the info. Especially about the tub spout.👍👍
@jerrywhite2818
@jerrywhite2818 3 года назад
Guess you don't do many houses to know upon does not work in a lot of homes during rough in
@joshm5816
@joshm5816 3 года назад
@@jerrywhite2818 Been plumbing for almost a quarter of a century. That's literally the dumbest thing I've ever heard. I've roughed in many homes with Uponor and I've repipe many existing homes with uponor.
@glenarseneau4796
@glenarseneau4796 3 года назад
Every bit of that job looks horrible I’d rip it all out and do it over
@Me-nm9vn
@Me-nm9vn 2 года назад
The world needs more people who do the right thing for their fellow humans.We need more considerate people.
@MyFortressConstruction
@MyFortressConstruction 2 года назад
Yes, the GC on a job generally relies on the subs to know the minutiae. So the GCs only know the basics (hard to know every trade's ins and outs), and so they rely on the subs and inspectors to catch issues, but things like water proofing, flashing, air sealing, using correct fasteners, adhesives, etc. are not always inspected. Also design, which is incredibly important in both HVAC and plumbing, is definitely not taken into account in most spec. homes, where cost and speed are king.
@Me-nm9vn
@Me-nm9vn 2 года назад
@@MyFortressConstruction That's why they should promote from the bottom up
@arcadiaoutlaw
@arcadiaoutlaw 6 месяцев назад
Great video ! Thanks !
@rogerwhiting9310
@rogerwhiting9310 3 года назад
Since the beginning I thought PEX A was a superior product.
@MyFortressConstruction
@MyFortressConstruction 3 года назад
I actually prefer Pex-B but Pex-A does have its pros, mainly it's installation ease.
@krehbein
@krehbein 3 года назад
My Fortress Construction why do you prefer pex b? Only benefit I see is you can buy fittings at box stores.
@MyFortressConstruction
@MyFortressConstruction 3 года назад
@@krehbein It's faster to install, when you know how to do it, and I have only had one leak from a bad fitting in all of my time of using it, and that leak was evident immediately after pressurizing. It is a more durable pipe and it's easier to work on for homeowners. It's cheaper and parts are more easily sourced. You do have to think ahead about which crimps need to be made first, but that's not rocket science.
@krehbein
@krehbein 3 года назад
My Fortress Construction Good to know. Im have a pex a Dewalt expander, and enjoy working with it. But if I need parts can only get them at a local plumbing supply shop or online. Sometimes using Home Depot would be easier.
@SureShotImages
@SureShotImages 3 года назад
My Fortress Construction More durable than PexA? That’s absolutely not true. Uponor is more durable by a large, large margin. PexA is superior in basically every way it matters.
@davidperry4013
@davidperry4013 3 года назад
I prefer copper over PEX. It’s expensive but worth it. If you screw up, just resolder it no fittings to throw away. Also, you will find out that you made a mistake right away once you do a leak check instead of later down the road and paying up to tens of thousands of dollars for water damage. Also, copper is anti microbial.
@daviddickmeyer5231
@daviddickmeyer5231 3 года назад
Thanks for the great lesson!
@MyFortressConstruction
@MyFortressConstruction 3 года назад
Glad you enjoyed it.
@_1ben
@_1ben 3 года назад
thank you for you knowledge and sharing
@MyFortressConstruction
@MyFortressConstruction 3 года назад
No problem, your and my knowledge is what makes the internet such a "potentially" excellent resource.
@ImTrans-Former
@ImTrans-Former 3 года назад
Did any of these fittings actually leak? I know the plastic fittings can easily break . I ALWAYS use brass.
@jessemclaughlin9680
@jessemclaughlin9680 3 года назад
We've had big issues with the brass fittings around our area because of the corrosion issue. leaks within 5 years from the brass fitting swelling from corrosion and in some cases actually breaking the rings. While poly fittings are weaker, they are plenty strong enough if the pex is properly hung and supported, which mediocre plumbers rarely do.
@lukie4ever
@lukie4ever 3 года назад
This makes me so mad, if you do it, do it like you should, or just never do it and
@jerrymalinowski9736
@jerrymalinowski9736 2 года назад
Good video! Educational. Thanks for this
@MyFortressConstruction
@MyFortressConstruction 2 года назад
Glad you enjoyed it.
@monikazimaniova9156
@monikazimaniova9156 3 года назад
Thank you so much. Definitely helped me
@MyFortressConstruction
@MyFortressConstruction 3 года назад
You're welcome!
@anthonyromano8565
@anthonyromano8565 4 года назад
Thats why I use Uponor with shrink rings instead of metal crimps. I don't know how you can say these crimps are less error prone than Uponor. This wouldn't happen with Uponor.
@MyFortressConstruction
@MyFortressConstruction 4 года назад
If I said they were less error prone, that would be a mistake. Expansion fittings for Pex-A are much more user friendly to install, which is why plumbers prefer it. What I mean in the video is that Uponor fittings are more likely to leak than Crimp rings if they were both installed correctly. Pex-B has a higher burst rating than Pex-A and if there is movement on the line, or if it is exposed to heat or cold, Pex-A is more likely to develop a leak over time.
@DevilTravels
@DevilTravels 3 года назад
@@MyFortressConstruction Pex-A should only use crimps and Pex-B can use either Uponor expansion rings or crimps? Is that the difference noted?
@MyFortressConstruction
@MyFortressConstruction 3 года назад
@@DevilTravels PEX-A is a much more flexible pex tubing that uses expansion fittings like Uponor. You can't use crimp fittings on pex A. PEX-B is what you will find in big box stores and it's less flexible and utilizes SS cinch, SS crimp or copper crimp rings. Pex-A is easier to install if you have a battery powered expansion tool, PEX-B is easier for the homeowner because it only requires a $50 manual crimper. Pex-B is better in my opinion for it's durability and strength.
@DevilTravels
@DevilTravels 3 года назад
@@MyFortressConstruction Thanks for this information. It seems to support other information I am getting. It looks like PEX-B and crimping is the direction I will go for my cabin plumbing. I just need to make sure the crimp is directly over the 2 nubs on the brass connectors.
@elbuggo
@elbuggo 3 года назад
@@MyFortressConstruction - you can use crimp fittings on Uponor PEX-A piping. Any tubing labeled SDR-9 can be crimped. Uponor is the only tubing that can be expanded, but its also SDR-9.
@BC-sk3bp
@BC-sk3bp 3 года назад
You have to try hard to make those mistakes.. 🤣 A license wouldn't haVe helped 😎😂
@freevideos051
@freevideos051 3 года назад
A license can't help a lazy person
@jaxchristian3080
@jaxchristian3080 2 года назад
Thanks for the info very helpful.
@bjackson1975
@bjackson1975 Год назад
Helpful and well done!
@MyFortressConstruction
@MyFortressConstruction Год назад
Glad it was helpful!
@arcadion448
@arcadion448 3 года назад
8:45 - I think it's more likely that whoever installed the Uponor didn't turn their tool 1/4 inch all around when making the expansion. Pex Crimps and Clamps get weak over time as crimping or clamping is forcing the pipe against its natural state. Uponor pipes naturally want to be its original size and you have to force it to expand to put the fitting in. However, if you don't push the pipe all the way in or don't expand it correctly (1/4 turn all around when expanding), that's when you get your leaks.
@solarsynapse
@solarsynapse 2 года назад
The A also does not restrict the water flow, is more flexible and higher pressure at the cost of being 4 times more toxic than B!
@arcadion448
@arcadion448 2 года назад
@@solarsynapse, you got any proof that Pex-A is 4x more toxic than Pex-B?
@solarsynapse
@solarsynapse 2 года назад
@@arcadion448 Do a search and you will find several studies about PEX toxins. The more flexible A leaches more than the less flexible B. It becomes worse with hot water. I think many of the chemicals were in the water itself. Keep in mind that PEX has less data since it has not been around as long as other types of pipe. It still passes "safety" standards except maybe in California. Some of that is due to the lead in the brass fittings. Chlorine is toxic to all lifeforms, is highly corrosive to metal and causes plastic to become brittle, yet it is used widely in water treatment. Copper is a nutritional supplement, plastic is not. Of course it is bad if lead solder was used instead of silver! I would say use PEX B, don't drink any water for 30 days after installation, and don't drink any water from the hot side. Also, if a faucet has not been used for over a week, run the water to flush the line before drinking. Filtering is always good. As always, to each their own.
@arcadion448
@arcadion448 2 года назад
@@solarsynapse Pex was first used (although not for home plumbing) since the 60s, that's plenty of time to gather data. Furthermore, if a simple Google search can't yield any credible sources along with you not being able to provide one simple link - I call BS on your claim.
@MalleusSemperVictor
@MalleusSemperVictor 3 года назад
At least they didn't use sharkbites, I guess?
@MyFortressConstruction
@MyFortressConstruction 3 года назад
Haha, yes... Many diyers say they can *DYI* (Do Yourself In)
@kmcwhq
@kmcwhq 3 года назад
What's wrong with sharkbite fittings?
@MyFortressConstruction
@MyFortressConstruction 3 года назад
@@kmcwhq They are ok for temporary fittings, and sometimes they can last for years, but they are never going to be as solid as crimp or expandable connections.
@kmcwhq
@kmcwhq 3 года назад
@@MyFortressConstruction So not as solid, but solid enough.
@MyFortressConstruction
@MyFortressConstruction 3 года назад
@@kmcwhq Yeah, let's just say I would only use them in places that won't be covered by sheetrock/paneling. I have never seen one explode, but I have seen about a dozen leaking drops of water. I would definitely not use them on a hot water line as the heat could degrade the rubber seal faster.
@NNITRED
@NNITRED Год назад
It looks like those guys prioritized speed over all else. Doing it right is so much faster than doing it twice. For myself. I stopped using rings as cinch clamps are just easier for me to keep consistent. Great video my friend.
@maceo2012
@maceo2012 3 года назад
Great video!
@MyFortressConstruction
@MyFortressConstruction 3 года назад
Thanks!
@Sylvan_dB
@Sylvan_dB 3 года назад
That was a "professional" plumber? :(
@bababooey1266
@bababooey1266 3 года назад
Nope that’s a plumber that is a fly by night, drives an old Ford F-150 sport pickup truck with a ladder rack. Comes into your house and has a fila sweatshirt on and a dirty hat on. Then won’t show up everyday because he is 30 years old and is worried about drinking cheap beer at night and having domestics with his pregnant dirty girlfriend that has pink hair and wears dirty Walmart Ug boots in the summertime.
@markbrickey8418
@markbrickey8418 3 года назад
@@bababooey1266 oddly specific🤔
@fukkyoutube
@fukkyoutube 3 года назад
pex takes almost all skill out of being a professional plumber and this one still f-ed it up
@wallacegrommet9343
@wallacegrommet9343 3 года назад
Pex is relatively simple, but not exactly easy. It demands perfect cuts and crimps every time, and getting the crimper into some locations is a puzzle, particularly on renovations.
@SuperVeeZee
@SuperVeeZee 3 года назад
@@wallacegrommet9343 Uponor is definitely DIY-er capable, much more so than any crimp style I've seen. I'd go so far as to call it easy, especially if you're already the kind of person that's mechanically inclined. Cut the pipe square-ish using a cheap cutter, and it does not need to be perfect, put the ring on the pipe until it stops, expand the pipe until the tool bottoms out, and quickly insert the fitting until it bottoms out. Done. Apply heat as necessary in cold conditions. Any more, two power tools would make anybody capable of running any kind of water line used in residential and light commercial applications. An expansion tool, and a press tool. I work for a wholesaler, and I've turned several DIY homeowners, that want to do as much of it themselves as possible, into quasi-plumbers. Buy the M12 expansion tool kit, do the work, then sell the tool kit off afterwards. You lose $100 on the tool kit in the secondary market, but saved a bundle on rental fees.
@tomdelisle8955
@tomdelisle8955 4 месяца назад
Thanks, that was very useful to see.
@zourdiesel8579
@zourdiesel8579 Год назад
Great video bro 👍🏾
@MyFortressConstruction
@MyFortressConstruction Год назад
Thanks, hope it's helpful!
@cydls688fatech7
@cydls688fatech7 3 года назад
I was wondering how the plumber passed the exam ?
@2sites
@2sites 3 года назад
exam lol...
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