When Scandinavia Almost United (And what if It did) Part 2 | Alternate History 

Tbh, I kinda want this to happen irl. We are all already very similar in culture, food, area, location etc. It would not be that farfetched.

I think it is fair to say that all the nordic countries would have larger populations due to better economies, and no ww2 involvement. Finland would still have Vinby. Svenska, Danska och Norska would also be more mutually intelligble

You forgot that Scandinavian West Indies would also have included the Swedish island of Saint Barthélemy

I think that Stockholm would still have the highest population, but if you look at "greater" Stockholm vs Copenhagen then Copenhagen would probably have more. I definitely think gothenburg would had a real major increase in population. Malmo would probably lose population to Copenhagen and gothenburg. But once the bridge is built it most likely would increase in population fast because of its proximity to Copenhagen. Would be interesting to see how industrialised this united Scandinavian kingdom(usk?) Tech & and industries from parts of former sweden Farming from Skåne&jutland m.m. oil and fishery from Norway. Forestry and mining from the nothern parts of Sweden and Finland. USK would have so many natural resources for its relative small population that most likely it would demand some sort of immigration eventually during the 80s probably. Would be so interesting to see how much synergy the usk would be able to accomplish. How about military? I think usk would keep roughly the size of all nations combined now if in nato, but if not in Nato probably bigger as it has a lot of land to cover. Probably quite an expansive fleet and im guessing a big airfleet as Sweden went with during the cold War. Tank battalions would probably mostly be stationed in Finland and karelia, maybe a few in sweden, Northern and maybe south of Stockholm. Probably one in jutland/Skåne area. For Norway i don't know if they would be needed. Norway would probably host a large North Sea fleet. Usk would not use aircraft carriers but built airbase on the different islands to connect to Iceland. Im guessing that in this timeline Europe still forms European union and is still peaceful. No real threats from mainland europe/uk/usa. Russia would most likely be seen as a potential aggressor.

Hey man, I've been subscribed for a few months now and I really like your content. The amount of detail you put into your videos is nothing short of amazing. If you take suggestions, I'd love to see an alternate history based on what if Germanyny unified in 1848 and what if Hungary united with Poland-Lithuania sometime in the 15th century. I'm also really looking forward to "What if the Russian Revolution Never Happened?" part 2. Hope to see your channel griw in the near future. Keep up the good work!

This is cool but imagine if England and Scotland united! They would probably conquer Ireland and be a colonial super power

I’ve been looking forward to this

I almost forgot the 1st onr glad it's finaly out.

Better world

I am very impressed that you even mention Scania/Skåneland.

As an Icelander I could see this happen. Though more of a independent nations in a single economic and military union.

This (and the first part) was such a good video. As a swede i have actually always wanted this to happen in the real world. Would love to see you talk more about it

Finally part 2 Also discord server when???

Neatling posted... and I didn't know... HOW?! but it was worth the wait!

Fantastic video! Bliv gerne ved med at lave de her videoer!

Very good video, however, because of the german influence in Schleswig i think there should be a transition dialect in Southern Jutland, the rest is very good as always

These videos are amazing! For an englishspeaking person, your pronunciation of swedish city names are quite good

I wonder how Scandinavia treats Russia?

Worth the waiting man, heres a suggestion for u: what if the hre remained united, i have seen whatifalthist did it and nobody elese so maybe u could take a try on it

Please do more alternate history videos like these two videos, about other countries, like Germany(German confederation, or a union between Austrian and German empires), Iran(in which it would keep its Sasanian borders), etc.

Neat video my friend. Good to see another alternate historian on here.

Hello from Sweden ❤️🇸🇪

Bloody interesting. I've been discussing a potential (future) union with the Nordic countries for awhile with some friends, and from what we can see it would only make the lands stronger, more economic etc. Even though we are somewhat "unified" as of today with our military personnel working together, almost on a daily basis and offer help to one another in hard times. I'm definitively not against a Scandinavian Union, although it would be hard to implement today. Great videos!

Nice vid plz more

I'd have preferred if it was called something like "The Nordic kingdom", "Kingdom of Nordia" or "Kingdom of the Nordic lands" Instead of UK of Scandinavia and Finland. Those would've been both inclusive and shorter.

Could you do a video on what if sweden won the northern war and the battle of poltava?

I made a United Scandinavia flag in a similar way. It uses the Finish flag for its background, and combines the Nortic Crosses (the Finish Nortic cross on the outside, the Danish Nortic cross in the center and the Swedish Nortic cross in between.

You could cover the Crown of Aragon in a Countries that no longer exist video. Languages: Mainly catalan, followed by italian and aragonese. Keep it up

I feel like it's somewhat neglected how Gothenburg would have a much greater population growth. I'd dare say that it'd be at a similar level of population size to Kopenhagen and Stockholm, and would likely eventually overtake both of them.

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Intressant alternativ historia om ett demokratiskt, enat och starkt (ekonomiskt och militärt) Skandinavisk union.

Another great video from neatling PS: vi lever i den forkerte tidslinje

@Neatling, you mentioned in this scenario that Scandinavia was a memeber of the EU, but in the scenario based on the Kalmar Union it was not a member of the EU. Is there a reason or is it just random here? I like the different scenarios for Scandinavian unification with the history and the demographics in the present day caused by them!

I really enjoy this series of currently two parts, but I have one question. What about Operation Zitronella (Unternehmen Sizilien) in 1943, which was an 8-hour raid on Spitzbergen, Svalbard? Does this still take place in this alternate history?

So in this timeline Germany invades Scandinavia (because of the Iceland comment). I would imagine hitler wouldn’t have done that in this timeline. He invaded so Swedish imports wouldn’t be halted by the allies. In this timeline there’s a very easy access point. That and Hitler wouldn’t invade a Germanic country with such a big population. He’d believe them to be very powerful, perhaps moreso than Russia.

it would probably have been a good thing for the region, a united nordics or nordic federation or something. probably would have worked better as a smaller group then the whole of eu.

I'm pretty sure in this scenario scandinavian would be taught in Finnish schools much like how swedish is mandatory in Finland today

One question that popped into my head at 3:19 Which city would keep track of traffic violations in Germany?

@NEATLING. I suggest a remake of what if the. polish Lithuanian commonwealth never fell. a 3 part series. In a COLLAB with Mr. z.

Can you do a video about What if Gran Colombia never fell?

Low key my wet dream Jokes aside a very high quality vid you got here. As a Swede, I approve

Hålogaland mener du Nordlandet ?

You should make a video on the strategic importance of Soviet Union without access to Murmansk and the rest of the Kola peninsula during the Second World War if this country had existed.

How you create this maps?

Why is iceland’s population so low irl it’s 369 thousand here it’s 341 thousand

Sweden and Norway suddenly look very interesting it just now occurred to me.

You should definitly include flanders in your next video

If we were to unite, i'm not sure it would make alot of sense to involve Finland, would definitely be taken as a threat by Russia, but i would love the scandinavian countries to unite, and develop a unified language.

Blessed timeline

Hahah, now I know why you made the flag with red instead of blue , kul , verkligen :)

why is Skåneland part of Sweden, not Danemark? and why is Åland part of Finland, not Sweden?

Just wondering why you gave all of the main land nations more population but took away population from Iceland?

Contraversial thought: smaller unions of similar states might have worked better than the EU. Perhaps.

Video Idea: What if East Rome fell but West Rome didn't in the 5th Century

I often hear people ask why we should ever unite in to one countery, i only have one awnser, a greater kingdom of the north means that we have the liberty to decide our path in the international world, in sted of being split up in three different counterys whom on theire own has no power or liberty, an are always on the mercy of other great powers.

I would argue Sápmi should be considered a constituent country. May not be a nation-state, but neither are the Faroe Islands or Greenland

There have been more attempts to join the countries. In 1960 there was the EFTA attempt that was foiled by Denmark jumping over to EG/EU in 1973. Switzerland, Lichtenstein as well as Austria being a part made it sort of.. well strange. its worth saying that the effect of EFTA is the reason why we still to this day (well until 2015 at least) can go across Nordic countries with out passports. EU really F.U. this. There was also a slightly less impressive attempt in the 90-tys. The idéa was that the Nordic countries would join as a nation under EU in steed of under EFTA... it basically failed due to Norway not joining.. and well.. it wouldn´t work anyway. We have a few reminders of that today. Firstly the Öresundsbron was a supposed start to the unification. Well the bridge still stands... Now will border controls (... F***.. we have gone backwards). Anyway, there is a other reminder. Bluetooth. Bluetooth started in 1989 with a cooperation between primarily Ericsson and Nokia, but also a few other lesser known companies, some of them in Norway and Denmark. When Intel joined in 1997, the name Bluetooth was proposed as it have joined the Nordic countries just like king Bluetooth ~1000 years earlier. The Bluetooth system actually spawned out of the NMT, Nordic mobile telecommunication system. NMT is effectively the predecessor to GSM. There only ever was 3 gen 1 mobile phone system widely deployed, ironically the first gen 1 was a NMT system deployed in the middle east. Worth saying that there was a gen 0 and gen 0.5 also. Because NMT was built over most of Europe, pretty much the countries using NMT joined to create GSM, While its not a official predecessor, it is effectively one. GSM never really become a global system, and neither did UTMS.... it really took until LTE

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Is this youtuber danish?

Location of Helsinki and Tampere seems wrong.

i wonder if the winter war would still happen soviet union may not attack since it is more risky

you forgot one area, Svalbard

What’s the military size of Scandinavia?

What if the west roman empire survived, but the east, byzantine fell? Like reverse of what happened

that flag tho 🔥🔥

The way you slaughtered those Finnish words hurts my soul

here in argentina we were so close to unite with chile into one country in the 50s called "the united states of hispanoamerica" it was going well and we even had a flag of the new country until the U.S sended coups to our countries to make sure this never happens because their government hates competence also our country had a more advanced nuclear technology than the U.S and europe and our government was trying to create a source of unlimited and clean energy that could replace oil forever.

No Frisian Speakers on the Northern Frisian Islands :(

They should have. they had no reasons not to, apart from outside influences, and of the rulers losing power, and the divide rule story. Today they would be more competitive with England or Germany economically.

When can we make this a reality?

It may offend your Danish / Scandinavian nationalism, but the majority of Schleswig-Holstein residents didn't want to be Danes in 1848 and 1864. In 1920 there were several referendums and the north of Schleswig went back to Denmark. In the cities of Aabenraa, Sønderborg and Tønder there were majorities for Germany, but overall around 75% of the votes in this voting zone were for Denmark. Today's border seems to correspond to the will of the peoples. It is good that the hateful nationalism of the past has been overcome and that the respective German and Danish minorities in Schleswig can live their cultural, linguistic and national peculiarities

What if the Mauryan Empire never fell, or, at the very least, their successor dynasties like in china, kept the indian sub-continent united until modern day?

You put the borders that finland would probably have with russia if we won the continuagion war

Would Scandinavian take þ and ð From icelandic

no dislikes? nice :D

Danmarks population is a round 5,8 million pepole, and norway has a population a round 5,328 million people. and Finland has a population a round 5,518 million pepole

Shetland would have been part of the Norwegian "sector" in this scenario... It should never have been leased out to UK in the first place ;)

Sounds like theses countries missed-out on a golden opportunity.

Why would all the kola coast speak sami and finnish when you had norweigian speaking towns there until stalin whiped them out?

Seeing what Sweden has become these days and how different the rest of scandinavia is. I honestly would like this scenario to be reality.

Smukt at østdansk har større område

There is only 5,8 mil in Denmark

But what actually is Scandinavia ? Geographically it is the peninsula of Norway and Sweden. If you could consider Finland as a geographical / natural similar country it could be included, but Denmark, Faröer and Iceland are not. Or is it the cultural similarities like the spoken Germanic languages, then Finland could better join a union with Estonia. So the projection in this video is more a political union, or more arbitrary being “nationalistic Nordic”. It is not per se beneficial for the countries because for a union based on trade or common standards it’s better to join a bigger, more populous union like the EU.

AHH

Include the British terretory into this, Scandinavia has mutch in common with Brittain more so then Finland pre ww2. Vikings you know.. this union could have been a big power house maybe the ability to have stopped the nazis with the support of Soviet. Interesting videos.

6:10 actually the norrland mountains are both more and higher than what the hålogaland mountains would be

Hi there

Unfortunately we don't want Swedens problems. No thanks.

Greenland and the Faroe Island are a part of Denmark, not the United Kingdom

I am so sorry to say that Greenland 🇬🇱 is part of Dinmark and not united Kingdom....! Also on your map you show like "Finland's territory" a big part that actually belongs to Russia. Such a mistake

sweden population is 10 million not 9

I think you are confusing terms and going by public perception when you talk about Sweden vs the rest of the Nordics' immigration rate. Sweden does not have the most immigrants, though it does accept the most asylum seekers. The country with the highest net immigration rate is Norway. I don't blame you for mixing up these two terms, as the media constantly ignore the difference between the two. There's of course also the perception that "Sweden is taking too many migrants", tho while it may be that Sweden is taking far too many refugees (compared to other counties in the EU. There should have been a common refugee distribution policy in the EU), this is ironic, because Sweden is actually taking too few immigrants. Now don't get me wrong, Sweden doesn't have a low immigration rate, but as it has a huge problem with labour market shortages, specifically within healthcare, and seeing as it also needs to increase the size of it's tax-base, it's rather ironic that people present Sweden like it's overflowing with migrants.

Sweden has 10.3 million

Interesting perspective. However, I don't think it is realistic to get the population of all of these countries agreed on a monarchy, either in the 18th century or now. As a Norwegian, I certainly would not vote to have a Swedish/ Danish/ or even Norwegian monarch. Look to Ireland, where the President is often someone with a cultural background. Thus, one could have presidents restricted to, say, a single four year period, representing different regions over time, as well as different ethnic and occupational backgrounds. This would be an enrichment for your proposed country. I still have not seen any advantage to having a monarchy. They are expensive, privileged, would not represent the diversity in the population (for example, the Saami people) and contribute little in relation to their enormous cost.

It would be better for scandinavia to be a part of germany