When Soundtracks Repeat 

Game Score Fanfare it REALLY explains memes

As a self proclaimed Memologist and observer of memes, i can definately say this is very true

Then again, after being repeated for too long, memes start being considered unfunny again.... So I think it goes both ways- you see the meme repeated a few times, you start to think it's funny. A hundred times later, you're sick of it.

Also explains why a language is easier to learn while studying it in its country of origin! You hear it all the time without paying attention!

(this is a reply to Jonnathan) tl;dr- I can see your point but don't think that's not always the case, also the fact that you see it only after a while shouldn't affect the "power of repeating" if it works for memes the same way it works for music. Well, while I can see your point I think it's not always like that, for me at least. Like with the ssb ultimate meme that was really popular not too long ago (the one that replaces the characters with memes or youtubers or whatever) youtube recommended it to me, and the first few times I watched it I thought it was funny. Then youtube started recommending a shit ton of the same meme to me, and just a few days after the meme started it already became stale for me. Another point is that the "power" of the repeating effect shouldn't stop after you haven't seen a meme for a while then you see it again, in fact in the video he describes this effect doing the exact opposite where it comes to music- if you hear a song once and don't even notice it, then after a while you hear it again, you're more likely to enjoy it more. While it works better if you don't remember you heard it before, it still works if you did (that is if I understood the video correctly).

Try this with Meet Me Halfway by the Black Eyed Peas. I HATE that song. It was on repeat on the radio while I was volunteering for a charity shop. If you had to ask me what song I hate the most, try that one. I don't even hate all of black eyed peas music. But that song just grinds my gears.

if you've ever played jet set radio or its sequel, you probably got this with super brothers & birthday cake

@@Stettafire There’s just something spiritual about a certain song that is constantly on repeat at your workplace. Somehow your hatred of it permeates your soul in a way nothing else can.

@@maxwashere. ain't that the truth.

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agrrrrreeeeeee

made my day

Because his logo is a Sideways Tenor cle- Oh wait... I just realized what you're saying. Nevermind.

Because I will patiently wait until he makes a Leitmotif for his channel when it opens.

I see what you did there

..... OHHHHHH, ahhhhhhhh, I see whatcha did there ;D

YEAH BOIIIIIIIIIIIII

Repeat?

even though Sideways misgenders you, his point is true, your channel is amazing, 12tone!

0:34 seconds in

Damn bro, you got the whole squad laughing with that one

NEVER EVER CHANGE!!!!!!

@@tsutsujiii So technically....him talking about leitmotif....is a leitmotif.

@@tsutsujiii Great minds, my friend. Great minds.

But I think you miss his point at the end of the video where it may not even matter what he wrote. Like it almost only matters that it repeats... is the possible truth he's mind blown by I think.

SPOILER ALERT FOR LITTLE SHOP OF HORRORS, BOTH THE MUSICAL, AND THE DIRECTORS CUT OF THE 1986 MOVIE This reminds me of the song Somewhere That's Green from Little Shop of Horrors (which might just be more foreshadowing than repeating) In the song Audrey 1 sings about living the rest of her life with Seymour in the suburbs, which she describes as "somewhere that's green" Later in the musical, after Seymour saves Audrey 1 from being killed by Audrey 2, Audrey 1 wants to be fed to the plant when she inevitably dies, and the song reprises itself, and she says that Seymour would be taking her somewhere that's green The thing that makes it even sadder is that she says that if she's inside the plant, she becomes a part of the plant and will always be with Seymour. Later, Seymour jumps into the plant with a machete to avenge Audrey 1 and kill Audrey 2 before the salesman can get clippings of it. They are forever together, somewhere that's green.

I will also defend the use of take on me in. DP2. The original is in the scene where vanesa dies. In the heaven scene the acoustic version of take on me is used to show his growth maturity and him yearning vanessa..

Worth noting, too, that since GotG extensively uses 80s music in its score, to a much greater (and thematic) extent than any other Marvel superhero set, it made perfect sense to bring them into the Avengers-verse with an 80s anthem.

Elizabeth Exactly. As soon as the music started playing, even before I saw the Guardians or their ship, I immediately knew who was about to appear and got excited. That kind of music is part of their movies' identity.

plus rubberband man is just a bop

@@keybladesrus it hit me when the title card "space" popped up and hoo boy my excitement shot through the roof. Gotg is an example of pop music used in movies, DONE RIGHT

You were close. it's called the "mere exposure" effect. It's actually mentioned in one of the quotations in the video haha

Hitler once said something along the lines of, if you tell a lie loudly and widely for long enough, eventually people will believe it as fact.

Cuz our brains are wired to trust things that are familiar

Like that gerbil story? SCREAM!

Right? The entire time I was just like ""I'm so sure we sort of covered this in one of my sociology classes"

I think you can see that the music wasn't chosen to fit the scene, but rather the scenes are built with the song in mind.

Eh, it depends from scene to scene. "come and get your love" wasnt originally the opening song to v 1

@@The_Blazelighter Is that a bad thing though? Half of Quentin Tarantino's scenes feel like they were shot with a particular song in mind and it usually works perfectly with him.

Toad Taylor I don’t see how that’s a negative, especially as the sound score is tied directly to the character and how he see’s the world.

@@CameronM1138 , @Travis Caddie - Toad doesn't convey a negative sentiment. They agree that it's positive. Hence their comment.

Repetition legitimizes

​@@noidea42 repetition legitimizes repetition legitimizes repetition legitimizes

@@timscott6793 repetition legitimizes repetition legitimizes

@@thelistener1268 repetition legitimizes _repetition legitimizes_ *_repetition legitimizes_* *_REPITION LEGITIMIZES_*

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Guess who's back Guess who's back Guess who's back Guess who's back Oh!

come here little kiddies

Ah yes, the Eminem leitmotif

@@FlorissMusic ah yes, enslaved angst

@@jacksonohno on my lap, guess who's back with a brand new rap

I think he is so freaked out about it because in the music industry, there is already a believe that even lazy, bad and uninteresting songs can be hits if you just repeat and advertise them to death. This is happening in pop right now, everything sounds the same, old and done. And now there is a study that states that regardless if you listen to a song by Sondheim or by Justin Bieber, if you listen to it enough you will like it, regardless of quality? That's scary for composers and listeners. Btw, I don't want to speak for him and if he actually meant something else, he or anyonen can of course correct me. This is just the reason it freaked me out a bit.

I think it was just the "how deep it goes" feeling. He knew repetition had an effect, but didn't knew how strong it was.

There's an asterisk at 15:36 regarding that 😊

oh thanks! I completely missed that lol 😅

Good composers understand this and are able to vary, disguise and re-use aspects of themes to provide an internally cohesive, relevant whole while not getting boring. Think of the fact that Williams', Mozart's, Beethoven's, etc music are all still being played in concert halls decades/centuries after they were written. These composers utilized repetition a great deal, but it's absolutely a fact that overly simply repetition burns out listeners. Anecdotally, have you ever wondered why a pop song will become extremely popular for a short period of time, only to be reviled by people months later and completely disappearing off the radio and out of people's minds? And yet the radio still plays Abba, Michael Jackson, The Beatles, etc. There's absolutely a balance.

Rohann van Rensburg Even songs from the early 2000s to the mid 2000s (and not much currently) I still hear sometimes if I’m listening to any local stations that play older music tend to have more alterations than pure repeats. It’s why I’m sick of Coldplay’s “Clocks” but not as much Muse’s “Knights of Cydonia.” (That also needs to be someone’s battle hymn in film, please film industry!)

@@GuiSmith Yeah there are songs from any era that have pure repeats and others than have alterations, I think it depends largely on genre. Coldplay builds songs off of mostly a few chords whereas Muse tends to keep things more interesting, hence why Coldplay found immense popularity but most people I know are sick of them. The pinnacle of this ability, though, is in long form composing. Williams et all can pull off that theme-and-variation over the course of multiple films. That's really hard to do properly, considering his music is revered by composers and layperson audiences alike.

maybe

That's how I got hooked on Mouth Sounds, Mouth Silence and Mouth Moods.

We all heard All Stars for so many times when we were kids that it would be hard to find a version that we wouldn't find ok

@@PlayerSlotAvailable Mtv, radio probably some commercials but I'm not sure

No, for that you need a psychiatrist to explain it.

Had to return to note that they did that with multiple songs! The song she sings to the goddess at the end is in the soundtrack at the very beginning of the movie

same sort of thing with Remeber me in Coco

Isnt that in every Disney movie since ever?

Rostiger Rolf Is that just a filmmaking standard? Song and reprise?

Maybe, but that's mostly a musical narrative technique. Reprises draw connections between two moments or two states of being -- like the "one jump" reprise in Aladdin, where it contrasts how other people view Aladdin with how Aladdin wishes they saw him as. Or the "remember me" reprises, where the second one contrasts hector's heartfelt song with the emotionally bereft version Ernesto came up with, and then Miguel finally giving it back to Coco and giving a connection with her father again at the end. Like these songs have narrative significance, they aren't just to sell songs. Hell, reprises have been utilized in musical theatre since before the 50s.

Yeah what’re the other two

Probably 12tone & Adam Neely ?

8bit music theory is a good one too

Dunno, a lot of sampling is of music that is not particularly popular/well known

Flowey's hot jamz Yeah, but it's still probably been heard by everyone enough to get the subliminal repetition effect.

Flowey's hot jamz that's not exactly true. Originally people sampled things that weren't that popular AT THE TIME. But they WERE at some point to some degree. Key difference. Even if they faded from pupblic conciousness, they were/are still kinda there on a subconcious level. Oh and one more thing. What do you think an artist will sample? Obviously something they've heard a lot/like.

Flowey's hot jamz Most sampling originally was snippets of forgotten recordings because it was an easy way to get a beat or riff you like, and it wasn't so obvious you were stealing their work (and it was legally grey if you were at all). As that became mainstream, sampling kind of mixed with the established art of covering other artists' songs and it became about putting your own spin or adding new context to well-known properties. As THAT became mainstream you got people just throwing in a song people already like so that by default they'll like this new one.

Sampling in hip hop specifically started with producers happening to find vinyls and using snippets to create new beats, so it was pretty random at that time.

Oh Hello Satan!

repeat stuff, repeat stuff, repeat stuff.

Repeat stuff repeat stuff repeat stuff

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didn't expect to see you here

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Everything is a remix

because here's the thing to know how the song ends, and still begin to sing it

And even how most books have essentially the same plot - the hero with 1000 faces - that could be partly just due to it being a story everyone knows and the repetition makes it good

Look up pavlov’s dogs experiment. That happens to US, too! It’s everywhere and we don’t notice it....

@@quacker__jack that's different type of association

Brain is a machine that consistently tries to make sense of the world, so it will be naturally drawn to familiarity. And the unconscious mind does most of the pattern recognition job for you, so it should be a similar mechanism being drawn to your familiar shapes or chords

Mairi Florence that’s because we love tropes! As humans we’re super into formulaic seeming/sounding ways of story telling. We find a formula that works, then continue using it. It’s sort of like math, there’s a common path you can take to get the “answer” and there are lesser paths you can take. Hope that makes sense... haha

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When you just watched some random video and you get the reference

It's a pretty classic musical, yeah. I don't know if your country is big on theatre (I'm not sure where you're from) but in America, we've had musical theatre plays be a big part of our culture for over a century now. Although not everyone listens to musicals, there are some pieces that are so iconic, many Americans may recognize them, like "I Feel Pretty" from "West Side Story" or "My Favourite Things" from "The Sound of Music." "Tomorrow" is one of those songs where it's very well-known in the country, even if not everyone knows "Annie."

Yes, as they said.

YESSSSSS

I used to listen to Numa Numa on repeat for 8 hours a day during the really stressful season of work. I probably love the song more now than I did the first handful of times I heard it.

_soggy single tennis shoe_ ouch. I'm hanging onto that one for later.

@@coffeestainedwreck Do it, you coward

"Hello, this song, my old friend..."

What exactly is "unique" about Soule's music? I agree that it's great, but I don't see what he is doing that others aren't

@@Brabbel93 I feel like he doesn't take a over powerful or grand approach to his soundtracks. He makes it quiet and beautiful in a way that still conveys the same power.

@@Aethrin Agreed. He "wraps" the gameplay and exploration inside a comfy blanket that you almost don't feel is there but you will definitely miss it when it's not. In Skyrim in particular the music holds the environments together and transports you into the game seamlessly. I recall his KOTOR stuff was a little more obviously cinematic, but Skyrim actually feels intimate, as if it's the player who's humming the music as the games progresses.

This made laugh. Now i feel bad

D:

The Jamie Foxx film?

I suppose some brains are wired a little differently from others. Generally, I have a similar response but to a lesser degree. Regardless of whether or not I like a song, repetition can plant a song in my memory, but overplay can kill any feelings I have for a song, particularly if I was already "meh" to "mildly stimulated positive/negative" about a song to begin with. The sole exception to this rule for me is if I hate a song, in which overplay tends to make my hatred for a song skyrocket (Example: I have always hated Lewis Capaldi's hits. Aesthetically speaking, I am not into that kind of song. The constant playing of "Someone you Loved" and "Before you Go" has only served to sharpen my disgust for these songs.) With songs I adore, while overplay will never make me dislike them, a song that I like that is overplayed will begin to lose most of my interest (Example: Very few songs could enthrall me like King Crimson's "21st Century Schizoid Man" did on my first listen. I could imagine the song's storyline, a tragic tale of a man losing his sanity to the horrors of war. The music was all I could hope for aesthetically, even if it can be a rough listen, but that just served to strike my fancies even more so. However, subsequent listens have begun to feel noticeably dry of the passion I first felt for the song. I'll still listen to it, but I need to take breaks from my favorite song to fully enjoy it like I did the first time.) Of course, this can apply to particular segments of songs, too. This may be why I am not as quick to fall head over heels for the "70's revival" trend in pop music. Seeing as 1975-85 disco is an incredibly repetitive genre, this particular style is one I would not normally care about. Of course, the "wired differently" part comes into play when explaining why people like myself react this way. In my later school years, some teachers and social workers thought that I may be somewhat autistic, specifically on the line of Asperger's Syndrome. Perhaps my brain chemicals perceive music in a different way due to an inborn thing, or perhaps my brain is fine, I just have different standards for what is acceptable in music.

Just rewatched your Watchmen video. Your discusion of minimalism there also works. Similar to how minimalism isnt about a story its, about immersion in a mood or theme, id argue the simplicity and repetiton of pop music are about immersing you in a general mood.

Yes. Great points. Few compositions have no repetition in them. If you had a composition with no repeating parts, you would at least have to listen to it many times before you could "get" what it's trying to say. Repetition is why things like sonata form and rondo form are so common in classical music - even if the composition is quite complex, it still comes back to something that's familiar (and if you are familiar with the music style, you already kind of exist certain basic structures before you have even heard the composition, so it's also repetition in that sense). And this actually happens even in some serialist compositions (not really familiar with that style of music, but we had to analyze a couple of pieces with 12 tone rows at a music analysis course, and even they had a structure that made sense). Just because you have to play all of the 12 notes before you can repeat any of them doesn't mean the structure of the song doesn't have any repetition. Because the serialist "melodies" sound pretty nonsensical, it's a lot more difficult to hear the repetition. And this is actually why some music is more "demanding" to listen to. In order for the piece to "make sense" to the listener, there needs to be something familiar with it. You can't just introduce random themes and then throw them away - that just doesn't make sense to the listener and it sounds like the composer has no idea of what they want to achieve. You need a structure, and a structure usually implies some repetition. Can anything even sound structured if there is absolutely no repetition? I really like this part of your post: _"Music is language without established words, and things like repetition, genre, or even general cultural conventions help establish a base line to build upon. Its sorta like how a video game has to establish its rules before it lets you play."_ Without any kind of repetition you can't really find any kind of patterns. And we like patterns. That's how we make sense of something, even of things that don't necessarily have patterns. This is also why people usually like a certain genre of music. You have music that uses similar patterns, and when enough songs are based on similar elements, they become a genre of music. Nobody would say they like rock music if they didn't have any idea of what to expect from a rock song.

I'm gonna say some random anime stuff since you mentioned it and assume you understand what I'm talking about. Speaking of anime and leitmotifs(how do you even spell this), it's so satisfying when some anime uses their OP for the final act (like Konosuba did) even when I know it's sort of a lazy decision. I know it would never happen, but I hope sideways explains how episode 19 from Demon Slayer works so well musically because I've seen many people claim that they cried in this scene when there's nothing visually or narratively sad. My personal theory is that it was possible because the soundtrack they used for this episode used the leitmotif of Tanjiro's theme present throughout the show. Not many people talk about music/soundtrack in anime :P