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The Soviet Union's Deadliest Crash: The Tu-154 Crash at Uchquduq 

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The story of Aeroflot Flight 5143, which crashed on July 10, 1985, and became the worst air disaster in Soviet aviation history.
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@PaperSkiesAviation
@PaperSkiesAviation 10 месяцев назад
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@Paddman
@Paddman 10 месяцев назад
thank you for you videos. i love the references to popular culture in the soviet union.
@Althemor
@Althemor 9 месяцев назад
Just joined up, and I have a question - is it correct that the Nebula Plus content is that which is not on RU-vid?
@samb.4260
@samb.4260 9 месяцев назад
Neh-bula
@PaperSkiesAviation
@PaperSkiesAviation 9 месяцев назад
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@j.m.5744
@j.m.5744 9 месяцев назад
Why does Russia issue pilot licenses to people with severe mental retardation? One would think that the last person u would want flying a plane would be someone as stupid as the pilot in this case. Unreal
@OwlRTA
@OwlRTA 10 месяцев назад
It's interesting that the deadliest air disaster in Soviet history happened in the deadliest moment in world aviation history. The summer of 1985 was the deadliest, with Air India 182, Delta 191, JAL 123, and British Airtours 28M. Aeroflot 5163 slots into this summer, only making it more deadly.
@Alex-mp5xe
@Alex-mp5xe 10 месяцев назад
Bad year to be in the skies 😢
@obscureoccultist9158
@obscureoccultist9158 10 месяцев назад
Huh thats actually interesting.
@rustomkanishka
@rustomkanishka 10 месяцев назад
AI182 I guess AI182 wasn't mentioned too much in the late eighties but comes up now and again, much to my personal chagrin.
@titan9259
@titan9259 10 месяцев назад
Keep in mind that China Airlines 006 and Iberia 610 happened on the same day (Feb 19 1985), even outside summer wasn't lucky. 1985 ended with Canada's deadliest air crash with Arrow Air 1285.
@nneeerrrd
@nneeerrrd 10 месяцев назад
"пох на людей! Зато какой пломбир бьіл вкусньій!"🇷🇺💩
@laalaa99stl
@laalaa99stl 10 месяцев назад
Two minutes and 33 seconds is a very long time to contemplate every decision you've made in your life that brought you to this moment.
@MGower4465
@MGower4465 10 месяцев назад
A good quarter of the people were kids who hadn't even made very many decisions at all yet.
@MozTS
@MozTS 10 месяцев назад
@@MGower4465they would have grown up to be orc scum anyway
@TheJustinJ
@TheJustinJ 10 месяцев назад
No worries, their decisions had already been made for them because this was before the dissolution of the USSR.
@ObiWanCannabi
@ObiWanCannabi 9 месяцев назад
yeah its not really tho, if you were given a rubix cube with a gun to your head 2.5 minutes will seem like an instant and you wont be thinking about anything other than the cube and the gun..
@MintyLime703
@MintyLime703 9 месяцев назад
​@@ObiWanCannabi There are tons of stories of people believing they're about to die and thinking about their families and stuff. These people had over 2 minutes to do so and could do nothing to stop their impending death. Whereas if someone has a gun to your head you have the option of fight or flight.
@frozenflames5263
@frozenflames5263 10 месяцев назад
Just thinking how slow my thinking is when I’m seriously sleep deprived, it’s scary to imagine being awoken in a Soviet cockpit and immediately confronted with a problem that endangers the lives of hundreds of people. Even if the pilots could determine the correct solution to the stall, given their muddled and sluggish thinking, it may still have been too late to save the flight
@BiggestCorvid
@BiggestCorvid 10 месяцев назад
The current understanding from the US highway advisory board is that driving after being awake for 24 hours is like driving with a BAC of .10. That's bad if true.
@hannahp1108
@hannahp1108 10 месяцев назад
@@BiggestCorvid Yup, there's a lot of studies that show the effects of sleep deprivation are very very similar to being impaired/inebriated
@moonasha
@moonasha 9 месяцев назад
I guarantee you, in a life and death situation, even if you're 48 hours without sleep, the adrenaline will make you feel 100% awake again. What's bad is being exhausted while doing something mundane, like driving (or flying). Driving while nodding off is the absolute worst feeling, I carry some powered caffeine in my glove box for when it happens. Probably not healthy but neither is flying off the road into a tree. I know airplanes used to have amphetamines in their survival kits, especially back then, would be a life saver in a situation like that
@CativaBR
@CativaBR 9 месяцев назад
@@moonasha I don't think drugging our pilots so they can go for longer without sleep is the lesson to be taken from this. You did mention it'd be for an emergency/life saver situation, but we all know this would slowly be pushed from emergency procedure to the norm by certain air companies.
@zbelair7218
@zbelair7218 9 месяцев назад
Idk, I've been woken up to life or death situations and my head kicked into gear in a quarter second, flat.
@colinmartin9797
@colinmartin9797 9 месяцев назад
Ive worked 24, 48, even 96 hours straight as an EMT. Its not safe. We have a system called "safety pauses" where if we feel tired, no matter what, we have to be sent back to our station and left alone for an uninterrupted 2 hour rest. Even still, work culture here pressures us not to use them
@JP-oe4ry
@JP-oe4ry 9 месяцев назад
USA?
@android584
@android584 4 месяца назад
Any logical reason why to employ sleep deprivation on workers?
@cmfrtblynmb02
@cmfrtblynmb02 2 месяца назад
@@android584 money
@AnticipatedHedgehog
@AnticipatedHedgehog 2 месяца назад
​@android584 Agreed, although maybe in a natural disaster some things go out the window unfortunately.
@PhilAndersonOutside
@PhilAndersonOutside 2 месяца назад
@@android584 Greed.
@ulfpe
@ulfpe 10 месяцев назад
Flew on one of those TU154 once, when we decended in rally hot and humid weather and the cabin filled with dence mist as well as screaming passengers that thought the was a fire..
@MrArgus11111
@MrArgus11111 10 месяцев назад
I refuse to fly on Tupolev aircraft. Luckily, this is not a problem as there are so few flying now.
@16rumpole
@16rumpole 10 месяцев назад
i refuse to fly on anything Russian. @@MrArgus11111
@marckhachfe1238
@marckhachfe1238 10 месяцев назад
This is exactly how, at the time I perceived every aeroflot flight, pre Soviet break-up, to be like.
@marckhachfe1238
@marckhachfe1238 10 месяцев назад
​@@MrArgus11111do they really have that bad a reputation? Also, have you ever actually refused to fly on a specific flight because it was a tupolev?
@dimvajra5880
@dimvajra5880 10 месяцев назад
Literally any aircraft though. Was on a flight from Delhi to Dabolim and mist filled the cabin when it has been depressurized.
@genericpersonx333
@genericpersonx333 10 месяцев назад
An all-too-common feature of the Soviet experience was the quiet suffering of individual families who knew only that their family was gone and would never be told how or why. For many decades, Soviet families would lose loved ones in obscure military operations, industrial accidents, and the like, and the most the state would tell them was that their loved one was dead and there might be a body to bury; lucky families might even have an approximate date of death. Many a Soviet graveyard was filled with young men (and some women) who clearly died before their time, but the sum-total of public disclosure on their death was they were dead.
@peter_de_Jong817
@peter_de_Jong817 10 месяцев назад
I've never heard about this. Do you have any sources to look further into it?
@nneeerrrd
@nneeerrrd 10 месяцев назад
​@@peter_de_Jong817try googling soviet tech disasters. Or better "техногенньіе катастрофьі СССР" and use Google translate
@johnrosswilhite9532
@johnrosswilhite9532 10 месяцев назад
@@peter_de_Jong817 right, is there any truth to this or just the typical Soviet stereotype that everyone parrots?
@BlackHawkBallistic
@BlackHawkBallistic 10 месяцев назад
​@@johnrosswilhite9532the thousands who were "safely" outside of the Chernobyl radiation zone set by the Soviet Union are a good place to start, they weren't given the information about the deadly levels of radiation they experienced and the state would never admit it's fault, I'd be surprised if the Russian government currently even acknowledges what their forefathers did then.
@kingace6186
@kingace6186 10 месяцев назад
The more I watch this channel, the more I learn how true that is.
@The_ZeroLine
@The_ZeroLine 10 месяцев назад
Love the song. Hate the disaster. The video of the smiling children on their parents’ laps was chilling.
@NorthernChev
@NorthernChev 10 месяцев назад
...a blown fuse. Think about that. A blown fuse with NO redundancy for an instrument was the final nail in the coffin for these people's lives.
@petergray2712
@petergray2712 9 месяцев назад
For any other country, this was a catastrophe. For the USSR, it was Wednesday.
@nashooo5903
@nashooo5903 9 месяцев назад
The fact that the engineers actually bothered to put a fuse there lets you know that it was considered critical equipment by russian standards
@petergray2712
@petergray2712 7 месяцев назад
@Begeye-bh5ux Soviet Era civil and military aviation were so immersed in their own special category of Hell that even Boeing on its worst day was exponentially better than the Soviets on their best day.
@martijn-vels
@martijn-vels 6 месяцев назад
What about the staggering incompetence of the pilots?
@fulcrum2951
@fulcrum2951 6 месяцев назад
​@@martijn-velsincompetence?
@Rob_F8F
@Rob_F8F 10 месяцев назад
I thought that compression stalls and death by flat spins only happened likeable supporting characters in 1980s US Naval Aviation recruitment films.
@animula6908
@animula6908 9 месяцев назад
Now you know better.
@eyo8766
@eyo8766 6 месяцев назад
Don't forget the defective ejection seats that launch you head first into your canopy
@duartesimoes508
@duartesimoes508 Месяц назад
@@eyo8766 indeed, while ejecting because of a Flat Spin you must eject the canopy first manually, wait for it to clear the aircraft and only then eject your seat. This is because in a Flat Spin there is no relative wind from the nose to quickly blow the canopy backwards. The relative wind blows from below and the canopy may not separate in time. Maverick and Goose would indeed bang their heads against the canopy in a real life ejection done like that... 😒
@NordicRest
@NordicRest 9 месяцев назад
Fatigue is the single biggest factor in aviation accidents. Almost every deadly incident involves tired flight crews.
@guaporeturns9472
@guaporeturns9472 9 месяцев назад
Not true
@Jklopoppcorn
@Jklopoppcorn 9 месяцев назад
I would disagree, it probably a factor for a lot of them but, but then being overburdened seems to be just as common. Also poorly designed planes and malfunctions.
@mar7774
@mar7774 9 месяцев назад
Aviation is a highly intricate business after all. It's no surprise that fatigue *is* the single biggest factor in many aviation accidents, when even the lightest forms of fatigue has the potential for pilots and crews to miss a single item on a checklist or procedures they should always be wary of. It's tragic, but in the end it's just human nature. Vigilance is crucial, and every rules and checklists in aviation are written in blood.
@artyomarty391
@artyomarty391 4 месяца назад
I’d imagine every pilot and passenger is always in fatigue mode on every flight. By the time a plane takes off, a typical pilot has already been awake at least for 4 hours. Add to this the nature of flying- extremely dull and drowsy, and every pilot will be in fatigue mode. Fatigue is just something you can attribute to every flight, not just the ones who had an accident, so logically it cannot be the(single) cause of the ones that did, or at least it’s just very hard to prove. Moreover, not sleeping for 24 hours is, in my opinion, unimpactful, it sucks but this is what adults do all the time. I personally went for 72 hours one time without a problem ( playing a video game online)
@tappajaav
@tappajaav Месяц назад
@@artyomarty391 Oh but it absolutely can be. Disclaimer: Aviation isn't my area of expertise, I'm only looking at this from a logical viewpoint The fact that fatigue is always present, but most flights don't crash, doesn't mean fatigue is not a large(or even largest)contributor in accidents. It can act as a multiplier, and there isn't only one fixed level of fatigue. It is entirely possible(and reasonable) that the worse the fatigue is, larger the impact is on the mental and physical performance of crew. And in exceptional/dangerous circumstances it can lead into chain of bad decisions, that could've been otherwise avoided Finally not sleeping for full 24 hours is not unimpactful in any way. I dread the lives of people that go such lengths without sleep on a regular basis, considering both short-, and longterm effects sleep deprivation has on almost every facet of human life. Importance of avoiding sleep deprivation should not be downplayed.
@coiler3927
@coiler3927 10 месяцев назад
There was a cargo 747 (MK Airlines) crash later on that was somewhat similar. There the direct cause was the crew not using enough power on takeoff (so the plane failed to clear an obstacle and crashed) but they also had been awake much longer than they should've been.
@aslamnurfikri7640
@aslamnurfikri7640 4 месяца назад
Also the DC-8 that crashed in Guantanamo Bay because the captain banked the plane too much while looking for a beacon that marked Cuban border. They too were overworked with not enough sleep
@HardThrasher
@HardThrasher 9 месяцев назад
Really enjoy your content, I know how hard it is to get this stuff done
@PaperSkiesAviation
@PaperSkiesAviation 9 месяцев назад
Thank you for your support!
@nicolasquijano5471
@nicolasquijano5471 10 месяцев назад
From Colombia Bogota, thank you for those videos about the USSR, I’m to young to even existed when it fell but learning from their story is very interesting. You are a treasure
@AnimarchyHistory
@AnimarchyHistory 10 месяцев назад
Man you are uploading like crazy recently! Make sure you get some sleep
@davidg3944
@davidg3944 10 месяцев назад
[Video enters flat spin and crashes]
@Carlito_Brigante93
@Carlito_Brigante93 Месяц назад
@@davidg3944🤣
@neilwu3912
@neilwu3912 10 месяцев назад
"Is this new airplane ready for production?" "I don't care, we just need to impress someone with something for some reason"
@tanello2
@tanello2 4 месяца назад
That amurican aircraft maker who keeps killing off the ppl who tell the truth
@demilung
@demilung 9 месяцев назад
Whenever I have to do risk assessment or compliance review, I almost always encounter pushback in the form of "we're not going over the limits, just get close to them". And I have to again and again warn people of a "cockup cascade" - a situation in which a series of small and negligible issues or errors lead ro absolute disaster because nobody has the room for error on anything as every limit is pushed.
@Booyaka9000
@Booyaka9000 9 месяцев назад
In a way, it's kind of heartening to know that fashion in the early 80s was just as unflattering to people inside the Iron Curtin as it was to people outside.
@chrisclermont456
@chrisclermont456 10 месяцев назад
This air disaster is almost unbearable!! Could it be that darkness played a role? In the daytime, it t would seem the pilots would understand the pitch if the aircraft better because of visual inputs. In the dark over a desert, it had to be completely pitch black!! RIP 😢
@ЯрославТолстенко-э7ц
@ЯрославТолстенко-э7ц 9 месяцев назад
Велика подяка за цікаве відео! Радий,що Ви повернулись на ютуб із своїми роботами;)
@eUK95
@eUK95 9 месяцев назад
Increasing thrust is NOT the primary reaponse to a stall (exceeding the wing's critical Angle of Atack). It is to reduce the angle of attack immediately, by either relaxing control colomn pressure or pushing forwards.
@marcusott2973
@marcusott2973 10 месяцев назад
Much awaited, much appreciated looking forward to excellent insights as always from you.
@Ryzard
@Ryzard 7 месяцев назад
That opening was well made and written. Plus now I have a new song in my head :)
@JBRAI22
@JBRAI22 10 месяцев назад
I love how you always bring in something that's mostly unrelated to the event but you always connect it
@tonicastel2390
@tonicastel2390 10 месяцев назад
Excellent introduction and great video about a very tragic event.
@Skaitania
@Skaitania 10 месяцев назад
I don't want to idealize nor trivialize the issues plagueing the USSR, but 200 dead as the deadliest air disaster is actually pretty low. The Tenerife collision in 1977 between KLM and PanAm cost almost 600 lives alone, that being the biggest loss of life in an aviation accident before 9/11. What makes this one stand out though, is that it doesn't feel like anything would change as a result, nothing was learned if they hide the truth. Usually new technologies or rules are implemented to avoid a repeat, but if they just gloss over the disastrous conditions for pilots they are just asking for the same thing to happen again.
@dimvajra5880
@dimvajra5880 10 месяцев назад
tbh Soviet Union didn't have large commercial aircraft until Il-86 was introduced, and guys at Ilyushin actually knew what they were doing.
@hikarikaguraenjoyer9918
@hikarikaguraenjoyer9918 10 месяцев назад
They didn’t have a widebody jet until 1980 in the USSR
@lalilu3382
@lalilu3382 10 месяцев назад
i would not say that 9/11 was an "accident". And i guess they just literally didnt have as much air traffic and smaller plaens so less costly accidents
@More_Row
@More_Row 10 месяцев назад
200 is actually a shit ton for a soviet commercial flight of this type.
@Красиваясоветскаядевушка
@@hikarikaguraenjoyer9918 There are also disadvantages with widebody jets btw
@mafiousbj
@mafiousbj 9 месяцев назад
This channel is 10 times better just because of the first hand information and anecdotes from people who actually lived under the soviet regime! Love your work keep it up!
@LugborG
@LugborG 10 месяцев назад
Every video you do makes me question how the Soviet Union lasted as long as it did. Seems like a slight breeze should have made everything collapse.
@mikeromadin8744
@mikeromadin8744 10 месяцев назад
The soviet union lasted so long due to the women's wombs were elastic enough to produce required amount of the cannon fodder which motherland was requesting. Nowdays situation is not so bright and elastic, therefor mother-pa-russia will screwed up much quicker.
@Greg-yu4ij
@Greg-yu4ij 10 месяцев назад
The USSR was forged in blood and the peoples resolve was hardened in WWII. Before the Nazis attacked, Stalin had starved 6 million Ukrainians and purged millions of his own people sending them to gulags. Then the NAZIS attacked and captured armies of soldiers. Stalin had the people dismantle factories and move them east of the urals. Armies of conscripts were trained to charge forward or be shot. The people endured unimaginable suffering and survived. By the battle of kursk, they had thousands of women digging trenches and a manpower and equipment advantage of 4 to 1. They threw these people into the battle and suffered horrible losses while grinding down the German army and morale. the survivors went on to storm Berlin. What came out of the war were hard men, survivors who were men and women of steel. These people had the willpower to conquer and subjugate Eastern Europe, the willpower to develop world class rocket technology and the first astronaut core. They developed the bomb, the h-bomb, and produced 60,000 warheads. Imagine the horror of hundreds of nukes landing on NYC. However, for all their tremendous wartime struggles and strength, life in the ussr was a long joyless slog. People were expected to meet their quotas but weren’t rewarded for innovation. The communists are fantastic during wartime and stagnate during peacetime. With no incentive to innovate and little use for consumer products, communists pretend to work and the state pretends to pay them. However rotten their structure becomes, kicking in the door doesn’t knock the whole thing down like Hitler infamously claimed. Likewise no stiff breeze would end the Soviets. Instead kicking in their rotten door causes a polar bear to jump out, beats the crap out of you while you empty your pistol into it in vain. Then while your lifeless body lies strewn about it barrels through your house, drinks all your liquor, has its way with your wife and drags your sons off so it has something warm to sleep on. The Russian bear then gets too drunk, enters a slumber so deep it doesn’t even procreate. So the bear just fades away into the wilderness, drunk as a skunk until Eventually someone comes around and plays the f around and find out game again. The easiest way to beat the bear is to leave it alone and let it sleep until the next war
@bilson7523
@bilson7523 10 месяцев назад
It's the power of lying about everything and having vassal states you can poach.
@MostlyPennyCat
@MostlyPennyCat 10 месяцев назад
​@@Greg-yu4ij Well, they _stole_ the atom bomb and their space program was a terrifying jank-fest whose only purpose was to pointlessly one-up the West no matter the human cost.
@mikeromadin8744
@mikeromadin8744 10 месяцев назад
@@Greg-yu4ij Actually quite good explanation what does mean a soviet bloody system. As well i would add progressive paranoia, mental issues, self destructiveness, extreme selfishness and hypocriticism among the majority of the population due to extreme life conditions, hardships and negative selection for a minimum 3-4 generations.
@marktuffield6519
@marktuffield6519 8 месяцев назад
I recall reading an article about the Gloster Javelin, many moons ago, about the investigation into "Super Stalls" or "Deep Stalls" associated with T-tail jet aircraft. This lead to the introduction of a "stick pusher" system presumably the Tu-154 was not so equipped?
@GaikotsuSenpai
@GaikotsuSenpai 7 месяцев назад
Best deconstruction of this terrible crash I've seen so far, explained in plain language without going into dull technical details. Graphics are interesting, and context of overall life in USSR at that time helps a lot. Good work! 👍
@ProfessorBidoof
@ProfessorBidoof 8 месяцев назад
"Did you fall asleep, or did you pass out?" -Billy Madison
@moiraatkinson
@moiraatkinson 9 месяцев назад
Paper Skies’ videos are brilliant. I hadn’t heard of this accident and it would be good to find more like this. I’ll definitely think about subscribing to Nebula.
@tariqsingh3747
@tariqsingh3747 9 месяцев назад
This was the best intro I've ever seen on this channel, keep it up!
@thebiggerbyte5991
@thebiggerbyte5991 9 месяцев назад
This channel never fails to impress with the quality of the videos. A very sad and needless air disaster. I always think of the Soviet Union as something like the pictures of food on the walls of the cheap restaurant looking so much nicer than what is actually delivered, and those who long for its return definitely look back through rose-coloured glasses.
@SmellsLikeGASOLINE
@SmellsLikeGASOLINE 10 месяцев назад
Strikes on youtube are becoming more and more an issue for us... BTW I really enjoy your videos, keep up the good work!
@JagerLange
@JagerLange 9 месяцев назад
I'm still a BIG fan of the animation for this channel and long may it continue.
@Maverickf22flyer
@Maverickf22flyer 9 месяцев назад
Hello, I truly appreciate your uniquely useful videos of the past. I'm an aerospace engineer (AE) and I watch your videos with great interest in learning about things that happened in the past and especially what went wrong. Now, in this particular video, at 3:42 you talk about exceeding the critical AoA and you've said it was 20 degrees! Was this an angle given in units in the cockpit or the real angle of attack of the wing? Unless you know it, the angle of attack indicated onboard is the actual angle of the AoA vane relative to wing's mean aerodynamic chord and because the airflow will always go from high to low pressures, it will curve towards the low pressure, which usually is the top of the fuselage. Due to this effect, the vane will always deflect more than for an undisturbed airflow, thus showing a higher angle than the real wanted/needed reference. For this instance, all prototype aircraft and test aircraft have the AoA vane mounted on a boom ahead of the plane so that the fuselage's upward (at positive lift) circulation of the airflow won't deflect it more than wanted. Due to, let's call them laziness reasons, almost all aircraft manufacturers engineers don't bother to correct the AoA vane angle shown in cockpit with the real AoA that the plane has relative to an undisturbed airflow ahead of the plane and this is why the MIG-21 has a caution AoA of 28 and critical value of 33, when instead of 33 degrees which the vane is deflected to by the upward flowing airflow, the aircraft's wings have just 20..21 degrees of real AoA. So, coming back to the subject of this wonderful airplane (I truly like it), the Tu-154, I wouldn't wonder if the AoA indication in cockpit (if the plane has it) would show the actual vane angle which is always greater than that of the clean/undisturbed airflow. So, I just ask..., can you please confirm that the plane had a cockpit indication of 20 degrees AoA? From my experience, these kind of wings usually have a critical AoA no higher than 15..16 degrees at low subsonic speeds, around the takeoff and approach speeds, while at higher altitudes, higher Mach number and lower Reynolds number the critical AoA can decay by some degrees. Having 20 degrees of real AoA in such conditions is of real interest for me to learn about and I would appreciate if you'd give me a link or some clue regarding the data retrieved after the crash. Kind regards!
@PaperSkiesAviation
@PaperSkiesAviation 9 месяцев назад
All the numbers, including the angle of attack, were decoded from the 'black box.' Regarding the cockpit readings, the gauge malfunctioned after the second 'critical angle of attack' signal. Its arrow stuck at the 9.3-degree mark and didn't react to any further changes in the aircraft's angle. Therefore, the pilots only saw the 9.3-degree reading. I briefly showcased this at the video's start, but perhaps I should have emphasized this matter more. I didn't want to delve too deeply into technical details since my intention is to cater to a broad audience. The mentioned 20-degree angle and others, such as the report mentioning the middle engine shutting off at a 25-degree angle, were extracted from the black box. This information was sourced from the investigation report. Here's the link to the short report: airdisaster.ru/database.php?id=71, and here you can access the entire crash report: vk.com/@bort85185-akt-o-rassledovanii-katastrofy-samoleta-tu-154-85311-v-raion However, both documents are in Russian. While gathering information, I also stumbled upon these cyclograms. aviation-is.better-than.tv/af1461%20%20%D3%F7%EA%F3%E4%F3%EA%20-%20%F6%E8%EA%EB%EE%E3%F0%E0%EC%EC%FB.htm.ru.utf8 The individual claims they are from the Flight 5143 crash, but I couldn't verify their authenticity. In the first picture, at the bottom, you can see the readings related to the angle of attack: the blue line represents the real angle ('угол атаки истинный'), while the pink line indicates the gauge reading ('угол атаки указателя').
@Maverickf22flyer
@Maverickf22flyer 9 месяцев назад
@@PaperSkiesAviation Hello again! I greatly thank you and appreciate all the effort you've already put into the video and also to reply back to me with such a great manner and provide those links and all the details. I will read them and try to understand what the actual critical angle of attack was as a real reference angle, not just the "alpha vane" (AoA vane) angle, which is what I'm so curious about. Many thanks Paper Skies for your implication in all the videos that you make, being an aviation enthusiast yourself as well! "Many talk, but few know"! You are among the very few to tell things right in your videos.
@jamest2401
@jamest2401 9 месяцев назад
I love the the old aft fuselage-engined, T-tails! Specifically the larger jetliners, not the current regional jets mind you. Most of them were trijets, many others twinjets, and some of them were even quadjets. The '𝐓𝐮𝐩𝐨𝐥𝐞𝐯 𝐓𝐮-𝟏𝟓𝟒' wasn’t as sleek, or have as much the elegant lines of, say the '𝐁𝐨𝐞𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝟕𝟐𝟕', or '𝐕𝐢𝐜𝐤𝐞𝐫𝐬 𝐒𝐮𝐩𝐞𝐫 𝐕𝐂-𝟏𝟎', but it’s still very pleasant to look at. My favorite Soviet T-tails though, are the '𝐈𝐥𝐲𝐮𝐬𝐡𝐢𝐧 𝐈𝐥-𝟔𝟐', and the straight-winged '𝐘𝐚𝐤𝐨𝐯𝐥𝐞𝐯 𝐘𝐚𝐤-𝟒𝟎'. And one unique element of Soviet produced aircraft that I find particularly enjoyable, is that the designers didn’t seem to be hampered by, or concerned with jet engine noise levels. At least from all the aviation RU-vid content I consume, the Soviet jetliner’s whirling screeches seem to be a notch above the more subdued sound of their Western counterparts; especially upon engine spool-up and takeoff run. I miss the jet engines that sounded like rocket ships. Where trips to the airport had you not just hearing the takeoffs, but feeling them all the way down into your bones. Those “blast offs” used to raise the hair on my arms, and give me goosebumps all over.
@marcosalmendras4998
@marcosalmendras4998 10 месяцев назад
listening to Paper Skies' intro gave reminded me of Air France 447, with the flight crew misinterpreting the stall warnings.
@frosch90453
@frosch90453 Месяц назад
Damn you @PaperSkiesAviation! This song has buried itself deep into my brain and I can't stop whistling it!
@wormyboot
@wormyboot 10 месяцев назад
That Yalla song was really good.
@mikeromadin8744
@mikeromadin8744 10 месяцев назад
I'm so old and even remember times when this song was introduced 😂
@voskee608
@voskee608 Месяц назад
1:42 Has to be one of the best/saddest intros to a video I’ve seen
@derekbell4641
@derekbell4641 Месяц назад
A very sad crash I remember is of Aeroflot Flight 411. Are you able to do a video on this? I remember seeing some very old obscure pics of the crash site many years later. I believe the vast majority of family members affected by that crash never saw the site where their relatives died. Very sad.
@mikeromadin8744
@mikeromadin8744 10 месяцев назад
As I recall Uchkuduk air crash weren't only sole flat spin and crash with tu154. In 2006 was a similar crash in Donetsk region when bellend captain climbed too high and then stalled the plain
@More_Row
@More_Row 10 месяцев назад
Yes
@brianwong7285
@brianwong7285 10 месяцев назад
Pulkovo Flight 612. Was supposed to have been flying from Anapa to it's home base at Pulkovo. The moment of impact was caught on camera.
@ColonelHess
@ColonelHess 9 месяцев назад
You always say "in the USSR" but we must not forget these things can happen everywhere, by pretending its just somthing that happens only to them might allow us to start thinking it could never happen to us and therefor lead to a lack of care. Besides, dont worry, if the USSR came back it would only be in name, theres no way current leaders like the idea of going back to such a vindictive world where even fallen leaders like Khrushchev could be disowned and stepped on- no, its more likely going to be a thing where the leaders get some more power but becomes a kind of Russian China kind of thing not that im saying that would be good, im just saying it wouldent be "The Soviet Union" ;P
@michaeldowd8422
@michaeldowd8422 9 месяцев назад
Yalla are now my favourite band.
@VicodinGH
@VicodinGH 10 месяцев назад
New paper skies! Makes my day every time!
@tomorrow517
@tomorrow517 9 месяцев назад
Wow! Fascinating! And absolutely frightening! Great production! Thank you. 😮
@davidharris2519
@davidharris2519 9 месяцев назад
sounds to me like they didnt fall asleep
@thedevilinthecircuit1414
@thedevilinthecircuit1414 Месяц назад
T-tail jets like this are extremely vulnerable to the "deep stall," followed by an unrecoverable flat spin. A high enough AOA at *any* speed can put the horizontal stabilizer in turbulent air created by the wings, rendering the stabilizer ineffective for pitch control. When a T-tail stalls, the crew has just a few seconds of usable control to recover to normal flight.
@TheGbelcher
@TheGbelcher 10 месяцев назад
I’ve been saying this for years. Russian aviation is more of a threat to humanity than any weapon in its arsenal.
@-Bill.
@-Bill. 9 месяцев назад
Imagine what it will be like when they start running out of Boeing and Airbus hulls to strip for parts. You know they will keep making exceptions to the minimum equipment list until they start falling out of the sky.
@maeton-gaming
@maeton-gaming 9 месяцев назад
pure cope :) @@-Bill.
@fermutwo
@fermutwo 9 месяцев назад
​@@maeton-gamingnope, it'll happen. Happened in North Korea
@maeton-gaming
@maeton-gaming 9 месяцев назад
you're adorably swiss-cheese brained if you think soviet russia is the russia of today. Like, pure inability to think critically. Hell, you probably think ukraine's winning right now ;) @@fermutwo
@crimson7692
@crimson7692 9 месяцев назад
Delusional as always...Airbus/Boeing crashes a lot more than Soviet/Russian's
@crabbington7736
@crabbington7736 10 месяцев назад
Excellent work as always!
@philtkaswahl2124
@philtkaswahl2124 9 месяцев назад
Sleep deprived and very likely overheated, it was only a matter of when not if they would make serious lapses in attention and judgment.
@provinsky
@provinsky 10 месяцев назад
Paper skies is the channel I watch wind I need to stay up, it’s like audio coffee
@GeorgeSemel
@GeorgeSemel 10 месяцев назад
Did they ever fix the flight and duty time regs in Russia? I have seen the flight and duty time regs updated twice in my 47 years of flying professionally. Short-term and long-term fatigue is an on going problem. The FAA is looking at how people actually sleep and what rest is and is not.
@JCDFlex
@JCDFlex 10 месяцев назад
...fix something wrong ...in soviet russia? You must be new here friend
@GeorgeSemel
@GeorgeSemel 10 месяцев назад
@@JCDFlex Not new here, I am a retired professional pilot ( US). Soviet Russian or not, people suffer the same physical problems regardless. My only fault is that I tend to give people the benefit of doubt- I would think that the guys running civil aviation would look at this and make some changes- Going a wrecking a perfectly good airplane for some so stupid even the Soviet State could not keep absorbing that sort of thing. All they needed to do here was to schedule a well rested crew, and off load some of the junk they were hauling. Not hard to do you know. I off loaded a lot of stuff over the years, And said more than once no
@scorchone2310
@scorchone2310 10 месяцев назад
Happy to see so many new videos! Just hope you’re not burning yourself out! Take care ❤
@8020drummer
@8020drummer 9 месяцев назад
Oh wow great channel. So glad I found this.
@dunbar9finger
@dunbar9finger 10 месяцев назад
How do pilots not know the first most basic lesson that "speed slower than that plane model needs" and "trying to fight descent by pulling up" equals "stall"??? Even before stall indicators existed it was the most basic thing to learn. "Why can't I keep it up?" And "oh look how slow I'm going" equals "it's only going fast enough to glide, dumbass, not fast enough to stay level. You can either stop resisting the descent and instead accept it and aim the nose down or you can add more speed, but you have to do at least one of these things. You can't keep going like this." That should be so drilled into instinct that even a sleepy pilot just does it as a first instinct and then starts looking for a cause after the stall is averted.
@JCDFlex
@JCDFlex 10 месяцев назад
Because the laws of physics are capitalist propaganda comrade.
@stephanguitar9778
@stephanguitar9778 10 месяцев назад
24 hours without sleep maybe.
@andan2293
@andan2293 10 месяцев назад
I'm sure you would make no mistakes in that situation.
@dunbar9finger
@dunbar9finger 10 месяцев назад
​​@@stephanguitar9778it should be a first instinct. Stop the stall first, then start trying to figure out what caused it. Being sleepy would make it take longer to do the conscious action of trying to figure out the cause. But it should still be drilled in instinct that trying to climb when the attempt isn't succeeding means you immediately stop trying because you'll stall. Accept the descent as inevitable while your tired brain tries to figure out why this is happening. It's like if you wake up sleepy behind the wheel of a car, see a tree in front of you you are headed toward, hitting the brakes should be instinctive and then after that you try to work out why there's a tree there. What happened here would be like seeing that tree and hitting the accelerator and aiming toward it. Even a groggy instinctive action shouldn't result in that.
@Kishanth.J
@Kishanth.J 10 месяцев назад
Being sleep deprived isn’t the same as being sleepy. The lack of sleep to the degree the pilots had would make them in capable of driving a car let alone fly a plane. This is akin to drinking while flying.
@randalthor741
@randalthor741 26 дней назад
Life in the Soviet Union must have been even bleaker than I imagined if *that* song became a hit...
@lairdcummings9092
@lairdcummings9092 9 месяцев назад
Brilliant introduction, highlighting the depth of your research into these episodes.
@gregmarchegiani6656
@gregmarchegiani6656 10 месяцев назад
A shocking parallel with AF447. Different preconditions, similar outcome
@mrkiplingreallywasanexceed8311
@mrkiplingreallywasanexceed8311 4 месяца назад
The most incredible thing about this video is that Vasily Ershov survived 20000 hours flying a Tu-154
@acethesupervillain348
@acethesupervillain348 9 месяцев назад
Hope someday you'll cover the Soviet and American experiments into nuclear powered aircraft, which led to the Americans saying, "nope, not safe" and the Soviets building a nuclear powered Bear.
@SportyMabamba
@SportyMabamba 9 месяцев назад
Project PLUTO was not intended to be safe 😅
@samwise7538
@samwise7538 9 месяцев назад
Well the Soviets also decided it wasn't safe either. Both flew dozens of missions with a nuclear reactor on board but neither ever used the reactor to power the engines.
@hugokubarth9316
@hugokubarth9316 Месяц назад
Excellent pictures, never seen before
@robertsteinbach7325
@robertsteinbach7325 9 месяцев назад
The band was surprisingly good. I would say this song is probably in the top 40 songs about being in the desert. The airplane crash was a horrible tragedy, poor children! It is inconceivable that there was a proper reason to fly the jet airliner below 300 km/h (160 knots) at that point in the flight. Jet airliners, being quite heavy, especially this one, needs to fly quite fast at higher altitude to generate the necessary lift to stay up in the air, usually well over 320 km/h. Most jet airliners fly, upon reaching top altitude, fly at between 880-920 km/h.
@B1970T
@B1970T 9 месяцев назад
Awesome CGI work. I love the looks of this bird and the way it’s main gear rotates 180deg into the pods. Nice vid!
@darkadmiral106
@darkadmiral106 3 месяца назад
Damn the Cutting in this Video was IMPECCABLE
@Flies2FLL
@Flies2FLL 10 месяцев назад
Folks, flight and duty time regulations in the United States are WOEFULLY inadequate! Did you know that a flight crewmember can be required to be at work on duty for 16 hours? Yes, the pilot who flies you into Boston during a "Nor'easter" can have been at work since 8 AM and it is now midnight. And he is trying to land you and your CHILDREN safely during those winds and low clouds and visibility? And 16 hours doesn't count the time it takes him to wake up, drink coffee, take a shower, put on his uniform, and show up for the van ride to the airport. That man may have been up since 6:30 in the morning. And did you know that the Federal Aviation Regulations state that he only has to have 8 hours off of duty. Not 8 hours in the hotel, just 8 hours off. Which means that if it took 30 minutes to get to the hotel after his previous duty period [not unusual....] and 30 minutes to take his uniform off, call home, and get to bed, then if he has to show up at the other end on time and needs at least 30 minutes to get going, then he has AT BEST 6:30 in the sack before that 16 hour day in which he is supposed to land you (and your kids...) safely at Boston. In a gale, in icing conditions.... Those are the Federal Aviation Regulations that pertain to CFR Part 121 flying, or airlines. Look it up if you don't believe me. However, there is a caveat; Most airline pilots work under a ~~~ COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT ~~~ That prevents airlines from abusing pilots and thus SAFETY this way! Story: In 1999, I was a pilot for a non union cargo airline out of Dallas that shall remain nameless [Express One International]. I was in Indianapolis and went on airport reserve at 6 PM. I had gotten out of bed in my nasty crashpad around 8 AM and went running. Well, about 8 PM they sent me to fly to Philadelphia, then to Pittsburg, and then back to Indy. We got back around 11 PM and I figured we were done, since our reserve period ended at midnight. I was tired, but not too bad. I was planning to go back to the crashpad, take a shower, and read my book before going to bed. WRONG. They sent me to Dallas to ferry a 727 right at midnight....But we had a maintenance issue. We finally left and got into DF Dubya around 6 AM. I was dead tired! Inflight used the knob on the autopilot to turn the 727 towards the final approach course [localizer] and literally fell asleep with the knob in my hand! I startled awake and joined the ILS and landed safely. We went to the hotel in Dallas [A Red Roof Inn, the height of luxury...] and I was just pulling the sheets back naked when the phone rings, this was before I had a cellphone. It's scheduling, and guess what? They want us back at the airport ASAP to ferry a broken 727 back to Indianapolis for maintenance.... "It's legal" the scheduler said into the phone. YES, she was correct....That would have been legal. As captain, you are responsible for the safe transport of the aircraft. I could not in any way, shape, or form allow myself to be part of any aircrew at that point. I was simply too tired. So I used the "F" word: I officially called "fatigued". Which means that not only did I have to fill out paperwork, but so did the company, since the FAA requires the airlines to report these occurrences. Did I hear anything? No. Did the FAA do anything at all about it? NO! Folks, that right there is where a union collective bargaining agreement makes TONS of sense! Most airlines have union contracts that keep pilots and flight attendants from being abused by the FAR's. These contracts keep all of us safe, and are what stands between our modern airline system and the episode in this video, where an airliner spins into the ground because the crew fell asleep at the wheel~ GREAT video!
@benjamindover4033
@benjamindover4033 9 месяцев назад
I am impressed with the video. Authentic Soviet video.
@brysonfitzgerald5238
@brysonfitzgerald5238 9 месяцев назад
In what world is a 20 degree angle of attack "normal" to any pilot? It seems simple.... if your aircraft is shaking (buffeting) and your AoA is 20 degrees, YOU ARE ABOUT TO ENTER A STALL, IF NOT ALREADY IN A STALL.
@largol33t12
@largol33t12 Месяц назад
The problem is that in SOVIET Russia, they simply don't care. It's a shocking part of their culture: to simply not give a fuck. Oh, the submarine's reactor needs to be repaired? NYET! We will sail anyway. The aircraft missed its yearly inspection? NYET! We can fly anyway. It pervades to this very day long after the fall of the USSR. I've met Russians who are so laid back that I wonder if they would react at all to being threatened with a weapon in a dark alley in my hometown (several of them were students studying at the local university. This is where I encountered this amazingly casual, very laid back attitude.)
@scottmurphy650
@scottmurphy650 7 дней назад
I have to admit to falling asleep in the cockpit myself. We had the aircraft on autopilot on a long, 2 leg coast to coast flight in an A-6 Intruder. My BN could fall asleep at the drop of a hat and had a habit of falling asleep with his head pressed against the cushion of the radar boot. I did not like to fly on autopilot because the flight just got boring but we were both kind of tired after a week long, very intensive workup period so I had it on. I dozed off for about 20 minutes. When I woke up we were still on course and altitude but missed the radio call from ATC to switch freq's to the next "center". It was kind of embarrassing so we went to Guard (universal frequency) and asked for a radio check. I believe it was St. Louis center that called up and gave us their freq.
@andrewcrowder4958
@andrewcrowder4958 4 месяца назад
Wow, you have to be a real genius to put a commercial aircraft into a flat spin. I am sorry for the pax and their families.
@TrolerWT
@TrolerWT 10 месяцев назад
These stories are actually so inmersive
@kalaruch1974
@kalaruch1974 4 месяца назад
I recognize some footage fragments from Soviet film "Ekipazh" ("Air crew"). When I watched this movie in the 80's as a kid, I was terrified. Today practical effects in disaster part of the movie are funny, but it still is somewhat unnerving.
@doszymona81
@doszymona81 10 месяцев назад
Sad is, that still pilots almost all over the world got the same fatigue... Time for rest is counted only to be ok on papers...
@MozTS
@MozTS 10 месяцев назад
Only soviet orcs get fatigue
@biggerdickus
@biggerdickus 10 месяцев назад
​@@MozTS I like the dehumanization, hope it doesn't hit your kind back.
@hikarikaguraenjoyer9918
@hikarikaguraenjoyer9918 10 месяцев назад
⁠​⁠@@MozTS”Soviet Ors” Majority of Soviets were not Russian, your calling Ukrainians, Azeris, Armenians, Latvians, Kazakhs etc.. Orcs as well because they were (involuntarily) apart of the USSR Also its just not true, in the US we had numerious accidents related to fatigue such as the Colgan Air accident in 2009.
@unmountablebootvolume
@unmountablebootvolume 9 месяцев назад
The same is unfortunately also true for truckers and train crews. In Germany alone, where resting times are even enforced by the police, there still are dozens if not hundreds of truck accidents every year because the driver officially had their legally required sleeping break, and was pressured by the shipping company to immediately get back on the road, whether they feel like they are capable of driving safely or not. They are not asked if they are ready, and they might even face charges for late deliveries. The "just in time" logistics concept of many companies is further exaggerating this issue. And if this is already a massive issue in Germany, I can't imagine how big an issue it is in less strictly regulated countries.
@derappelout
@derappelout 10 месяцев назад
- Тормоза! - Не тормозимся! - Тормоза! - Не тормозимся, юз! - Переложить реверс! - Хвост оторвёт! - Выполнять!!!
@jeffreyskoritowski4114
@jeffreyskoritowski4114 10 месяцев назад
Was that part of the CVR?
@derappelout
@derappelout 10 месяцев назад
@@jeffreyskoritowski4114one of the most thrilling parts of the film „Air Crew“, 1979. Some frames were in this video.
@techtinkerin
@techtinkerin 9 месяцев назад
​@@derappeloutя смотрел этот фильм! 😂👍
@henrik3291
@henrik3291 10 месяцев назад
They hade this problem with soviet tanks, like the t-34. The ergonomics and comfort was so bad that the crew got really exhausted pretty fast.
@kaaaputnik
@kaaaputnik 4 месяца назад
Man, the conclusion of this video is so important, what a genius way to bring the story full circle! Those nostalgia comments on old Soviet videos always make me facepalm
@Skoodelly
@Skoodelly 10 месяцев назад
Smoothest aeroflot flight
@jjfelldownawell
@jjfelldownawell 9 месяцев назад
This has got to be my favorite channel on RU-vid!
@underworldguardian704
@underworldguardian704 10 месяцев назад
Aeroflot and crashes go together like hotdogs and ketchup!
@davidstrohl
@davidstrohl 8 месяцев назад
I learned about this and immediately thought of: “Why worry about something that isn’t going to happen” -Charkov, KGB First Deputy Chairman Chernobyl (2019)
@MISTERLeSkid
@MISTERLeSkid 4 месяца назад
I hate it when I'm on a long drive on the highway and I feel like I'm starting to nod-off, since I have to battle to stay awake long enough to exit, find somewhere to park, try to catch a few ZZZs, can't fall asleep, resume driving.... only to repeat all over again 10 minutes later. Imagine that feeling when you're the one(s) in control of an airplane with hundreds onboard.
@cattinkerbell4946
@cattinkerbell4946 Месяц назад
It's sad that totally incompetent crews are allowed to fly.
@IronSink
@IronSink 9 месяцев назад
Perfect video to watch while waiting for your flight
@billsmith5166
@billsmith5166 9 месяцев назад
It's hard to imagine that everyone fell asleep.
@tiemji
@tiemji 9 месяцев назад
Didn't know about this crash before. Thanks for all those informations. The animation also are really great, good job 👍🏿
@DoniyorMakhmudov
@DoniyorMakhmudov 9 месяцев назад
From Uzbekistan i like your vedios
@duartesimoes508
@duartesimoes508 Месяц назад
Great video as always. So, I understand that not only both pilots were sleeping, it appears that the Flight Engineer and Navigator fell asleep too?! Spokonoe Notche! 😨
@andrewemery4272
@andrewemery4272 9 дней назад
Отличный документальный фильм. Спасибо.
@avalanche9026
@avalanche9026 9 месяцев назад
What a tragedy poor people had no idea they were about to get killed .. lord have mercy up on them. Just tragic
@SZ23219
@SZ23219 9 месяцев назад
This video is not assuring when the next day I’m taking a flight from Beijing to Moscow on Aeroflot😂
@scarecrow108productions7
@scarecrow108productions7 9 месяцев назад
If you survive btw, we owe you a beer.
@user-tt8xf9td6b
@user-tt8xf9td6b 9 месяцев назад
The book "Uncovering Soviet Disasters - Exploring the Limits of Glasnost" by James Oberg is quite an interesting read that ties in so well with the content of this channel.
@Dr.Kraig_Ren
@Dr.Kraig_Ren 10 месяцев назад
Even though I love your videos on the Soviet Union, It would be nice if you also make videos on interesting stories of other militaries.
@SocratesAth
@SocratesAth 10 месяцев назад
He has quite a few videos about other countries (US, UK, Germany).
@More_Row
@More_Row 10 месяцев назад
I think this country (soviet) and this military is what he has the most knowledge and connections too. So it's not that weird.
@bensoward-pg7et
@bensoward-pg7et 4 месяца назад
That song is amazing
@seanstuchbery
@seanstuchbery 9 месяцев назад
great video, love the narration and editing 👍🏻
@Jacklevics
@Jacklevics Месяц назад
I’ve always wondered why Air Crash Investigation haven’t done this on an episode.
@Олександр-ь7з6с
@Олександр-ь7з6с 10 месяцев назад
Обожнюю твої відео
@PavloLukashuk
@PavloLukashuk 8 дней назад
Ту154 , літак який я дуже чудово знав ! За час навчання , ми , майбутні , бортінженери - досить чудово знали конструкцію і можливі відмови в польоті . 😉 Треба додати , що в нас були чудові інструктори з досвідом польотів , які весь час крім стандартних відмов , вводили щось нове. Наприклад, спочатку відмову одного двигуна на різних єтапах , іноді пожежа двигуна 🔥, а потім , відмова єлектрики, далі вимикання ще 2х двигунів , і далі зниження , запуск ВСУ, на 3000метрів, включення електрики , запуск двигунів по черзі ,потім відмови гідравлики, і посадки в різних конфігураціях , тощо ! 👀
@PavloLukashuk
@PavloLukashuk 8 дней назад
Всі поредні катастрофи ,були досить чудово розібрані і причини були зрозумілі😉 13:17... там розкачку обертів двигунів, бортінженер сприймав за помпаж компресорів двигунів, і прибирав режим роботи авіадвигунів, а пілоти в результаті поганого відпочинку не контролювали приборну швидкість ! 🤷‍♂️ В результаті після 3-5 прибирань режимів роботи авіадвигунів , швидкість польоту впала до меньш ніж 300км/год, літак попав в режим плоского штопору , і розбився ,бо вивести літак з цього режиму рядові пілоти не вміли !😏
@RobertCraft-re5sf
@RobertCraft-re5sf 10 месяцев назад
Soviet inhumanity didn't just stop after 1991. Look what they are doing to Ukraine.
@BertReno
@BertReno 10 месяцев назад
its definitely systemic and a flaw in their culture.
@origami83
@origami83 10 месяцев назад
Soviets dont exist anymore, so they arent doing anything.
@subtlewhatssubtle
@subtlewhatssubtle 10 месяцев назад
@@BertReno As I believe he said in another video, the only people who miss the Soviet era, are those who didn't have to pay for it.
@alun7006
@alun7006 10 месяцев назад
Soviet Union hasn't existed for 30 years. You are talking about *Russia.*
@hikarikaguraenjoyer9918
@hikarikaguraenjoyer9918 10 месяцев назад
Ukrainians were Soviets too, a Soviet citizen is a citizen of the USSR, which Ukrainians were. The Soviet identity died in 1991 with the USSR’s collapse
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