@@anryx555That one mother who made a deal with Dio out of desperation to save her baby, and then immediately ate said baby the moment she became a vampire.
It;s not like it would turn humans into the ultimate life from anny way. The pillar men need the stone cause they are so powerfull already that the mask does not work on them .
@@Rengoku8787 No; Kars, Wamuu, Esidisi, and Santana were all part of a race already superior in every aspect compared to humans. They hailed from a race that were peaceful yet powerful, who were geniuses in their own right who lived in peace yet were not able to conquer the sun, living underground instead. It was Kars who invented the Stone Mask, which gave them increased capabilities (with arguably no downside except their disregard for morality that came with vampirism). He slaughtered his whole race after converting except for the ones that joined him in putting on the Stone Mask, who later became stone and revived as the "Pillar Men". Did you watch Part 2 at all?
He truly is, he affected most of the parts in Jojo. Part 1: Helping Jonathan Part 2: Making Speedwagon Foundation Part 3: Foundation helped The Stardust Crusaders by providing informations and reviving Joseph Part 4: Foundation informed Jotaro about the serial killer [We don't talk about Part 5] Part 6: even in this part they affected it but I won't say what, because it's trending right now, and people would be upset about spoilers
*ah yes, the classic "If Diavolo dies, it's canon" joke* But this could still very well be canon since it was all a dream and we never know what Speedwagon or Jonathan's souls do in the afterlife, they could be dancing rn for all we know.
This makes Speedwagon as someone who was so moved by a dude's noble act that he became immortal and surpassed humanity just to protect said dude's family for many generations.
1:27 We can assume a few things that could have led to this. 1. Speedwagon using the ultimate intellect of the ultimate life form managed to sus Kira out before anyone else could, potentially even long before 1999. 2. Speedwagon decided to hijack an ambulence and run over a guy who happened to be a serial killer. Or... *3. SPEEDWAGON COULD SMELL KIRA'S EVIL USING HIS TRADEMARK EVIL SMELLING SKILLS.*
I love how this implies that if Dio never became a Vampire, he still manages to live another 100 years, still ends up in Egypt, and the Stardust Crusaders still bully him.
@@gabiwolf1439 it does extend your life but it dosent make you immortal I could be wrong but I think the hamon master tonpetty was 100+ during phantom blood
Not only that but Jonathan not dying means he would have tapped into his full potential with Hamon after 50 years. Making him the most powerful Hamon user of all time by part 2
I like how this just assumes that becoming a vampire wouldn't make speedwagon into a monster like it did everyone else. Because he is the perfect good boy.
Hmm Straitzo turned into a jerk when he became a vampire but was it a facade so he could die to Joseph while testing him? I mean the only other vampire we even saw was what DIO did when he stabbed a man with the mask not using any blood Creating a mindless Honestly I don’t think the vampirism really mentally changes a person IF sasiated beforehand
@@Patrick-bn5rpa lot of otherwise not evil people murder people in jojo Like the blind guy (loyal to DIO and not evil still murdered speedwagoners) Speedwafoneres are kinda just expected to die
@@gabethebabe3337 When DIO went to buy the poison from Wang Cheng, he noticed the marks on his ear, and explained to him that in his country they are a sign of good luck, as a man with a similar symbol lived to be 183 years old.
dio putting on the mask is literally what spurs most of the story if jonathans cruise isnt interrupted by dio, erina doesnt raise lisa lisa, which means joseph, and in turn holly, jotaro, josuke and jolyne are never born. jonathan would also have no need to learn hamon and would not be confronted by baron zeppeli, the fate of hamon would lie entirely with the zeppeli family as well the world in part 2. dio would be dead by the time part 3 rolls around so giorno is never born, diavolo keeps running the gang from the shadows okuyasu's father is never turned into a monster, therefore keicho has no motivation to turn people into stand users, and since nobody is chasing kira, neither does kira's father. kira keeps living his peaceful life and angelo never breaks out to get turned to stone by josuke. pucci would never meet dio, never gets whitesnake, and in turn weather report doesnt get his stand either, he dies along with his gf, pucci would never have any motivation to obtain made in heaven, he lives his life as a regular priest. its amazing how so much is altered just by a single change in the timeline
@@nace_golegion3008 Не факт что они вообще оживут, их могут убить оставшиеся хамон юзеры, тот же стрейтс не увидит Дио вампира, следовательно он будет верен хамону, и сразу убьет пилларменов без предательств
@@trippyjpg7166 yeah, I saw it. Takes the form of a pair of old timey revolvers. It's called Nice Boys. In addition to firing elemental bullets it gives him the power of *HINDSIGHT!*
1:46 "Yknow, one of my friend Jonathan Joestars descendents taught me this neat trick... So its the same type of Stand as Speedwagon. SPEEDWAGON IN HEAVEN! "
What gets me is that Speedwagon becoming immortal and defeating every big bad is canon. He does this in the actual series. The Speedwagon Foundation lasts until the end of the timeline, and is a vital, if sometimes minor, part of every Jojo's ultimate victory. This is just a more direct representation of what Speedwagon already did.
Lesser vampire hunters dedicate their lives to hunting a few of the beasts during their lives. Speedwagon makes the normally unbeating hearts of vampires race every time they see a questionably dressed youth for hundreds of years.
@@aprinnyonbreak1290 Not JUST Vampires. But seemingly every supernatural evil on earth is having its shit pushed in by people Speedwagon has made sure are supplied, supported and backed up as best he can, decades after his death. GOAT.
the thing is, the stone was only used to make the mask strong enough to pierce the pillar men's heads so they could get the power boost from the stone mask iirc, so it really wouldn't do shit on a regular vampire, and speedwagon's already perfect so it would have no effect on him either
@@possibly_ben They sah that but how so thought ? Their bodies get pierced by regular bullets just like normal vampires do, and im positive said vampires will still get pierced by a mask. I don't see how they couldn't force the mask in themselves with their disproportionally huge strenght either.
I mean a goal reached is a goal reached. sure, it's painful to not reach it yourself, but for something as ambitious as becoming the Ultimate Lifeform, I think it's fair
I loved seeing Josuke and Joseph at the end, and then seeing Speedwagon's grave knowing he lived a long and amazing life was the cherry on top. Never knew I needed Speedwagon dunking on every single Jojo villain until now
THE DANCING 😭😭 CAESARS AGRESSIVE HEAD BOBBING 😭😭 OLD DIO 😭😭 SPEEDWAGON KILLING KIRA😭😭 PUCCIS RUNNING 😭😭 JOSEPHS SCREAM 😭😭 JOHNATHAN AND SPEEDWAGON AT THE END 😭😭
This entire thing was so fun but the end was so wholesome. Joseph wanted to visit Speedwagon's grave and he had Josuke come with him. Plus the way Josuke looked at Joseph was just heart warming!
Nah, he just decided to open a gateway to Heaven and chill with Jonathan while he overwritten reality to where the people think he's dead but he isn't actually dead
Speedwagon gets a stand that's sole purpose is to protect the Joestars, so no matter how OP the threat is or how dire the situation may be, the stand will adapt and combat it no problem. If it protects the Joestars, anything is possible.
...You know, I just realized that Giorno technically wouldn't be a Jostar by blood in this. But Speedwagon helps him anyway and he's clearly still a kind soul.
@@chefbendy4429 u failed to realize that Giorno is biologically Jonathan's kid. The only thing on Dio's body that is Dio's in part 3 is his head. The only way Giorno could be a Joestar by blood in this timeline still is if Jonathan had another kid, thus meaning Giorno would be an old man (even older than Joseph) by part 5, or if a different, younger Joestar had a child.
This is actually Canon as if diavolo died an infinite number of ways, one of those ways was speedwagon obtaining the mask and helping all of the jojos and falcon punching diavolo in the end
So you're telling me I like go on a walk, trip on a rock, the rock goes flying, the rock hits a biker, the biker falls, the bike flies away, the bike hits diavolo on the ankle and he dies? This is Canon?
*Spoilers for part 6* That last bit showing that it was all Joseph's imagination could have certain implications. Speedwagon was shown to have beat up Pucci in the dream sequence, which would imply that Joseph is aware of Pucci's existence. This would further imply that he is also aware of the events of Part 6, particularly the death of Jotaro and Jolyne. So him fantasizing about Speedwagon defeating Pucci could be him imagining his parental figure protecting his family members the way he protected him.
It can be but remember, he putted the vampire mask and lisa lisa gave him the Super Aja Stone and he turned into the ultimate life form which he was already perfected and maybe they putted that he died in that date because they don't wanted that everyone knew that Speed Wagon become the ultimate life form
@@Elpapurandomxd123 Then that ending scene with Speedwagon and Jonathan dancing would imply that Jonathan is immortal as well and they have dance parties of the regular......which is a much better interpretation to be honest.
"Oh no! Speedwagon is now the ultimate lifeform! With this power, he could easily rule over humanity for eternity!" "Nah, fuck that, I just wanna protect the Joestars. They're such fucking gentlemen."
LOL HE WEARS IT FOR FUN U SEE HE NOT HAVE ANY ABILITY but only in part 2 aya mask doesn't tell only vampire can use it or pillars men then he become ultimate life form
@@ischeele7203 And no Speedwagon meaning the German Army would fail to contain Santana and wreak havoc around the world. Not to mention Kars would dominate the world
No Speedwagon Foundation = No way that Jotaro could have found Josuke = Josuke dies and Kira wreaks havoc forever | No Speedwagon Foundation = No way Jolyne could have gotten that disc out = Jotaro dead
I always liked this idea, I felt like Speedwagon gaining immorality would've helped connect all the parts together since the time skips prior to Part 3 practically erased the entire cast of Phantom Blood (barring Dio) and most of Battle Tendency. He doesn't have to be around for every fight, but rather as a mentor or a voice of reasoning based on past experiences similar to Joseph when he became an old man.
Although, your concept is cool since it's basically like what they did with the Avatar Series with the reincarnations & previous spirit guidings BUT he basically did that by founding The Speedwagon Foundation.
When speedwagon becomes the ultimate lifeform using the red stone, he didnt change, this is obviously because Speedwagon was already the perfect lifeform
The crusaders part suggests that speedwagon joked to joseph about defeating dio and decided it was SO funny that they gathered a bunch of strangers + joseph's grandson just to fly to Egypt so they could physically dunk on him
I had to laugh so hard when speedwagon caught up with madeinheaven. Speedwagon: on your left Puchi: what the nani Have you considerd makein a stroheim vs dio video would be very cool in my opinion
