I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. What Rian Johnson did was never going to work for Star Wars, maybe other franchises but not this. But the blame isn’t all with him, if Abrams just decided to keep it going instead of double backing it would have been respectable. But let’s be honest, all the blame goes on the person who decided not to have it planned out first.
JJ Abrams gave us Rey and the terrible story line of TFA. He decided not to have the OG characters prominent or a scene of them together in the movie, and instead, to destroy their legacy. JJ Abrams gave us a terrible movie. All he had was a lot of things referencing the originals to mask how bad the movie was. Ryan Johnson burned it all down but it was already very bad after TFA.
@@breakerm5187 I get what you're saying but to be fair to JJ, before TFA came out Ryan was already set to be doing The Last Jedi, and he asked JJ to remove certain things ( that I think could have made the movie better ) so that he could go a certain direction with his movie.
I honestly believe that episode 8 is flawed (and i do mean it) but as a whole it's not the issue. While it's a shame that some characters do not get the time and love they deserve the core elements were still there and the foundation for a solid episode 9 was present. The fanbase over reacted and some studio executive got scared, that's how we got episode 9.
I haven't seen Rise of Skywalker. This is the first I'm hearing of Hux being the spy. And my reaction was literally the same as Po's. I'm not kidding, I actually screamed out "WHAT??" at the same time Po did. What a stupid writing decision.
The way I see it, they knew the trilogy had gone way off course and there was no saving it so it's just them having fun making a huge troll out of the movies
Aside from all the obvious terrible-ness, it seems pretty clear that he became the spy after the power dynamic between him and Ren shifted. It's basically the Fulcrum plot from Rebels, but without all that pesky depth.
You know what's worse? Killing off all the Skywalkers, having a Mary Sue pop up with ungodly force power (with zero training), maker her a Palpatine, AND THEN just handing her the Skywalker name. It's like the writers of the sequel trilogy were 20 IQ sith lords. What a joke. What a spit in the face to this franchise, its fans, its legacy, and a total betrayal of one of the most iconic families in science fiction cinema. Not a single person who wrote a word for any of those scripts were fans of Star Wars or even understood the setting/characters.
I agree Rey is a badly written character, but as of the family name Skywalker, I don't think Luke and Leia will be mad about Rey "stealing" it....they were selfless person, they wouldn't see it that way.
Nobody really has a character arc in those newer movies. Think of Finn, who goes from regretful, traumatized soldier who lost a fellow soldier to killing his fellow soldiers in cold blood to becoming a horny comic relief. And that's only the first 30 minutes of Episode 7.
I need to clear this up. Hux was the spy not because he wanted to help the Resistance but because he wanted to sabotage Kylo Ren. He was doing it only for himself, not for any noble reasons. This could’ve been an interesting plot line to explore, how there’s tensions and even mutiny among the First Order because some see Kylo Ren as an inferior leader. There could’ve been a third party of rebellious soldiers in the First Order being lead by Hux and how they’re playing both sides of the war. This would’ve been different from the original trilogy. But instead Hux was shot out the window and became a meme
I personally see it as a villain filled with passion and pride slowly seeing the terrifying establishment he worked to uphold slowly eat itself alive as Kylo tries to burn everything down and place himself on top of the smouldering ashes. That's why, after years of frustration under the scattershot thumb of Ben Solo (yes, YEARS), he decides that he's got nothing left to lose in going for complete anarchy. It's called an "arc". Stories tend to have 'em. I'm one of the (very) few people who feels like the sequel trilogy still kinda holds up with the vague thematic direction it settled on, but I still agree that said direction came at the expense of so much wasted potential.
They didnt even add in a interact between Poe and Hux to reference that dumb “your momma” scene from the start of Ep 8 That was like the bare minimum of continuity to have one of them have a dig at the other and they just ignored it
I actually thought his betrayal would’ve worked if he was the one who manipulated Kylo into killing Snoke only to label him a traitor, take power for himself and turn the First Order and Knights of Wren against him. He wouldn’t have been betraying the First Order, more just freeing it from what he saw was poor management. It could’ve actually made Kylo’s redemption less jarring too.
@@matthiasneidenberger9471RU-vid commenters thinking they could write a better story than professional writers 🙄 It's a shame the only time that turns out to be true is when it's something I like.
@@Ankh_The_Artist I’m confused. Are you saying you agree with or disagree. I mean that in sincerity, I’m not trying to bait you into an argument. I’m not saying I could rewrite an entire trilogy that would please everyone better than professional, I’m just giving my opinion on a bit of bad writing and how it could have made more sense. If you disagree with me on that, or think what we got was not that bad, I’d be interested in hearing why.
Worse, I never even realized they were the same character, until I saw this video. Of course, I had checked out emotionally from the sequel trilogy by the third film.
"Somehow Palpatine returned" and "I am the spy" need to go down as the greatest lines in Star wars history. Edit: "power of one" got added to the list.
@jjacques5032 It's really such a shame too because Oscar Isaac, John Boyega, and even Daisy Ridley ARE incredible actors. They just had bullshit to work with
In fairness, some had worse dialogue than others. For all its faults, Ep8 had great dialogue, the best in the ST. I'd say that it's also better than the PT and probably even better than the OT. Ep7 had okay dialogue, not great but not terrible. And Ep9 was the worst in the entire series.
The problem with this sequence is that it is never really established which planets they are destroying, who they kill, why they are doing this and what the consequences of this even was. He could have fired off this weapon into the vacuum of space and the plot wouldn't have changed.
Not to mention destroying planets is like the single DUMBEST thing you can do. You can't tax corpses. You can't settle a blown up world. And habitable don't exactly just appear out of thin air--those worlds which existed billions of years before any person alive are now gone forever. And...for what? A scare tactic? Imagine if the US's response January 6 was to straight up nuke Washington DC. It makes no sense.
The destruction of Alderaan served as a test for the Death Star, a punishment for Princess Leia, and completes the transformation of the Republic into the Empire. The destruction of Unnamed Planets No. 1-5 serve to show everyone that everything is bigger and more bombastic.
@@EvilDoresh Also, apparently everything "New Republic" was stationed on those Unnamed Planets no. 1-5, so they just single-handedly destroyed the galactic government there. We never actually seen the New Republic before it was destroyed, by the way.
@@LecherousLizard I guess it would've helped if they'd shown any places that were _not_ First Order bases, Resistance hideouts or shithole planets in bumfuck nowhere. Oh, I guess there's Capitalism Prime in TLJ. For the _third_ trilogy of a franchise (and that's not even counting the myriad spin-offs) there's not really much of a _setting_ to be found. It's all just _set pieces_ that vaguely _remind_ you of something.
This!! I honestly have a hard time remembering what even happened in 8 and 9 cause it was so...well to put it lightly underwhelming. The only reason I'm gonna rewatch them is to make myself laugh.
@@LtFoodstamp Honestly I think Bombastic is wrong here. His arc was sloppy but made sense. hux believed in the First Order and its mission under Snoke. Then Kylo overthrew Snoke and became Supreme Leader. I think it makes perfect sense for Hux to decide that he does not believe in the cause of the Order under Kylo, he fucking hates Kylo. He even says that point blank in Episode IX... he doesn't care if the Resistance wins, he just wants to see Kylo get rekt.
You're putting more weight than what was given based on the evidence, I'm afraid. It doesn't make sense for him to betray the First Order just for that. @@danparker3765
More like the story of the weird 7 yo boy that came around and wanted to play with your action figures and only heard the last 3 sentences of your story
That would be like if Heinrich Himmler ran into the allies during the battle and was "wait guys, i've been the spy the whole time, I just had to build all those camps to keep my cover!"
Honestly, I wouldn’t doubt that. Jar Jar Abrams’ brilliant mind probably decided to increase the acting quality by writing the most egregiously stupid plotlines in history but cutting them out of the script. Like, I bet Oscar Isaacs was just being told what to say via an earphone when uttering the infamous “somehow Palpatine returned” line, and that completely appalled and disappointed delivery was his actual reaction.
I guess the most obvious explanation would be that he wasn't a spy in the first film but turned to the other side later, possible due to remorse over his actions.
Except he shows no remorse, his stated reasons are he just wants Kylo to lose. And for that he’d rather sabotage the cause he has fanatically believed in since childhood rather than try to have Kylo assassinated or somrthing.
I mean, one explanation could be that the decision to use the weapon wasn't his to make, he was just the guy who gave the speech. Someone else would've done it if he hadn't and he wasn't in a position to stop it.
@@mstegosaurus not that it matter consider this is a cinematic movie. meaning that inner conflict is only as good if you have the ability to visually preform it. you simply dont put someone who isnt in a position of power afront of a movie or scene because people are more invested in what they see aka appearance rather than complexity.
I dunno man, I don't consider "Hitler but in space" and "Deathstar but bigger" to be good writing to begin with, so I didn't exactly have any expectations to be shattered later either.
Tbf outside of the remarkable success it had A New Hope doesn't exactly have the best writing either. The Nazi allegory of the Empire is slightly less subtle but the main villains are still called the Stormtroopers, and it's still a dictatorial regime which wipes out and silences its opposition with overwhelming force (ie Death Star). The movie wasn't really trying to be anything other than New Hope Redux so I don't think calling the writing bad is entirely fair... lazy for sure but not bad on its own, only in comparison
@smbsuperfan271 nah. When you make a copy scene for scene pretty much, the writing is very bad. It could be the best idea ever, but once it's already been repeated in the trilogy, it is a dumb idea to copy it.
Honestly, the Starkiller base sequence would’ve probably had an even bigger impact on us if it had been some well-known planets like Coruscant that had been destroyed instead of some random system that none of us had ever heard about.
They should've kept the super weapon for the _second_ movie. Imagine them seemingly succeeding in destroying the First Order's HQ - and then in a post-credits scene you see chunks of the planet being blown off to reveal the starkiller cannons.
I read that originally the idea was that but Disney wanted to make other series on the franchise and thought Coruscant would have been One of the set(thus given the poor fan reaction, Disney then dropped the idea of making some series based of the Rey-timeline), thus instead of using a completly unnamed Planet in the franchise, I would have gone with Chandrila (Mon Montha home world) or at least Christophisis( the Planet in which the Clone Wars start)
It was more that they totally knew what they were doing, then brought in someone completely unsuited who screwed the entire thing up to a quite frankly biblical extent, then had to somehow pick up the pieces of what they were originally doing into something that worked all while being directly managed by an idiot who hated all of it and didn't care if it burned to the ground as long as she could advance the cause of feminism in some way.
@@drawingkitty6052 Vader’s motivation was seeing his son be slowly tortured to death in front of him, and he was less loyal to the Empire than Hux seemingly was to the First Order. Hux’s motivation was having beef with Kylo Ren. It would make sense for him to try to assassinate Kylo, but actually helping the Resistance and saying “I don’t care if you win” is pretty bizarre considering how much of an ideologue he was.
It's basically to the level of satire that was the undercover cop in South Park marrying blokes and making love to them for years before revealing that he was undercover and busting them for minor offences.
@@nou1186 You think Hux (A regular kind of general) would really succeed in assassinating Kylo Ren? (A Knight of Ren who is capable of using the force)
@@drawingkitty6052 Probably not, but it would make more sense to attempt than what he did. He was able to hide his intentions well enough that Kylo Ren couldn't sense them, so he could have had the element of surprise.
Somehow he was a spy. Because dark side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural. And he survived that shot at the end because actually he was in a different ship and that was his hologram. The power of green milk!
@@radu_mppalpatine coming back was actually Canon. Sith can use holocrons to preserve their life force to slowly rebuild their bodies over time. That wasn't pulled out of their ass like most people think it was
@@Spiralredd It isn't that it was pulled out of their ass. It was the fact that that wasn't explained to those that don't know Legends, and the actual dialogue was terribly written. Instead of showing an espionage sequence of a team being taken out by newly revived Palpatine (with info being relayed back to base), or doing holocron research and learning of it, they literally just had a supporting character say "Somehow, Palpatine returned." That is the epitome of lazy writing. They literally chose to just BS the main villian into the story rather than writing something believable. The entire series has been like that. Even if that line isn't always used, literally everything is just "Somehow, this thing happened." Like Rey learning to control the force faster and better than Luke did within one of the episodes. Like Luke Skywalker going from a forgiving hopeful person who spared his father, the greatest tyrant of the universe; to simply debating killing Kylo because Kylo could turn bad. The entire series uproots the character development of the previous 6 episodes, while trying to copy paste the plot of the first trilogy, without writing in motivation. It is legitimately lazy writing.
@sg23148 Guy behind Spaceballs,The Producers, Blazing Saddles and other several classic satirical movies. He also loves to make fun of Nazis and Hitler. A LOT. Fuckin' based.
@sg23148 He directed Blazing Saddles and other satirical movies and is famous for making fun of the Nazis in a lot of them. Basically depicting them like absolute goofballs.
Maybe if they changed the term “spy” to “traitor” it would have been received better. He hated Kylo Ren and he was willing to do whatever to see that he failed. With that being said, the Republic would still had cause to execute him if he was taken into custody as he did authorize the murder of billions of people.
Its sad because just like Finn, they both had a strong starts and backgrounds but were quickly changed into the butt of a joke. Could have been a brilliant and stoic commander that Kylo couldn’t touch because of his value
They put the Rose and the casino scene etc on Ep.8. Shortly after Ep.8 I watched Knives Out also directed by Rian Johnson. And boy the similarities. He's butchered the series and turned it into a sitcom.
@@yatsumleung8618 Yep Episode 7 was not good but the story was salvageable. Rian Johnson took that and turned it into hell. And Episode 9 is the abomination which resulted in Disney and Jar Jar trying to fix what rian left behind.
@@ArseneGray not really, there were promising follow ups like Collin trevorow's script, rise of Skywalker was basically a rushed movie to please those who hated sw 8 and 7, even thou those two had a consistent theme and story
@@SR-ti6jj It doesn't matter. Karma doesn't care about your good intentions after you have engineered the death of billions. Hux seemingly gives the order to destroy the Republic capital, a megalopolis filled with civilians. Not a military target, not a warning strike, a mass murder.
YoRe NoT a PrOfEsSiOnAl ScReEnWrItEr Or DiReCtOr So YoU CaN't CrItIcIzE- hmm... profeSSional... Anyway. That whole scene was a brilliant idea and an excellent way for a creative personality to send the message of utmost importance! (said no sane person ever)
That's what happens when you write the first film of a trilogy with no idea where the story is going to go in the next two films. Lawrence Kasdan is on record saying that he and JJ Abrams deliberately left the story open ended because they didn't want to box in future writers and directors. And, well, that worked exactly as well as you would expect.
"That's what happens when you write the first film of a trilogy with no idea where the story is going to go in the next two films." So... just like the OT did.
@@immortalfrieza Nope. Lucas had an entire story planned out, at least in broad sketches. He also saw the entire saga through from beginning to end and didn't simply toss it to another filmmaker to run with.
@@Durwood71 Oh please, George Lucas had zero idea that the OT was even going to be a trilogy when a New Hope was made. Plus Lucas barely had anything to do with with the creation of the Original Trilogy in the first place. Both Empire and Jedi were written by other people, and even with New Hope most of Lucas' ideas were thrown out and replaced by much more competent people. Lucas is a credit stealing hack.
@@immortalfrieza Nope. Lucas created a whole universe when he was writing the first _Star Wars._ The problem is, the story was too big to fit into a single film, so he took a piece of it and made the film that would later be known as _A New Hope._ You're right, he thought it would just be a one off, but when it proved successful, and he set to work on the sequel, he already knew where he ultimately wanted the story to go. Naturally it evolved as part of the creative process, but if you've read any of his earliest writing, you might be surprised how many ideas were carried forwards, and backwards, in the saga.
that scene for me was when I realized I'd been "had" again. "Oh God! ANOTHER DEATH STAR?! Is that the BEST they could do???" It was at that moment, while watching TFA, that I felt like a battered housewife, who keeps returning to an abusive husband.
To be frank, it's not like the rest of Star Wars has been any more original either. Star Wars has been just doing the OT over and over again with a new coat of paint every since the OT ended.
@@immortalfriezaI can agree to a certain extent but George Lucas had a plan with the way he made the originals and the prequels it’s just the way the story was meant to go for him as for Disney it’s literally just copy and paste but idk I like the way the story unfolds in both the prequels and originals the exact same way, the difference is Anakin chose the dark, and Luke chose the light. Rey is just trash
@@SMiki55Johnson already removed him as a threat in TLJ. After TLJ there was no more villain. Hoth was a joke, Phasma was dead and a joke, Snoke dead, Kylo already defeated multiple times. Abrams should have gone for Darth Jar Jar.
@@throwfascistsintopits3062 smooth brained comment. Yeah the new trilogy is "really" fucking good so many great new additions to the Universe... Jesus wept.
It’s easier to understand when you consider the fact that they had absolutely no plan for the trilogy. Their goal was to make money, not to tell a compelling story. They failed to realize that the best way to make money is to produce a compelling and genuine story that will resonate with fans. When George Lucas wrote the original trilogy he wrote all three movies into one massive script and then cut it up into three pieces. When Disney made the sequels they hired three different directors with three different writing teams to make three different films and then tried to stitch it all together into the disappointing Frankenstein story we ended up with.
"When George Lucas wrote the original trilogy he wrote all three movies into one massive script and then cut it up into three pieces." No he did not. He had an outline of the other two movies and a rough plan. But a lot of details were still missing. For example, he had no idea when the first movie ended that Vader was Luke's father. And he did also not know that Luke and Leia were sibling.
This is just factually wrong. Do your research before making baseless claims. He had outlines. Not one massive script. In fact he wrote Empire after Star Wars and then wrote Return after Empire, like any normal script writer would. Your post reads like "JK Rowling wrote all 7 Harry Potter books at once and then broke them into 7 pieces". No, she wrote an outline, the last chapter for some reason and then started to get to work.
@@SenioRpomIddor It's a better idea than you think not to watch 9. It was so forgettable that I completely forgot everything that happens. All I remember is the desert planet, the water planet, and the fight against Palpatine. But even though Rey faces off against him, pretty much nothing happens. It was such a boring and terrible fight, and this is supposed to be THE FINALE of the entire Star Wars Saga. I haven't seen anything Star Wars related since The Mandalorian season 2, and I'm pretty sure this movie was the reason. You're a smart man not to watch 9.
Whether or not TLJ was the worst SW film ever made or remains such, it will forever be remembered as the film that broke the franchise for so many reasons.
I'd argue that the destruction of Alderaan is still a darker moment. When the First Order destroyed the Hosnian System it was to send a message. The remnants of the Empire had returned and they were even more powerful capable of destroying entire Star Systems with a single strike. The First Order targeted Hosnian Prime as it was the Capital of the New Republic and it's destruction is a strong warning to any opponents of the First Order. Now when Tarkin sets the sights of the Death Star on Alderaan it's more so an intimidation move to get Princess Leia to spill the beans on where the hidden Rebel base is, and even after she gives Tarkin an answer he uses the opportunity before him to test out the capabilities of the Death Star and destroys Alderaan basically to see if the weapon was as powerful as it was claimed to be, all before verifying if what Leia said was actually true. Alderaan was reduced to space debris for testing purposes and mostly because the Empire could.
In terms on in-universe impact I would say both are the same. Both times a planet was destroyed as intimidation to keep the other planets/factions in line. Remember that Tarkin refused to blow up Dantooine instead because it was too far out and wouldn't be an effective message. For the viewer the destruction of Alderaan early in the first movie served to establish the Empire as incredibly powerful, dangerous and ruthless. The destruction of Hosnian prime did nothing. An unheard of planet who allegedly was the seat of a new government no one knew anything about, from far away. I hate how governments in Star Wars are always treated as incompetent idiots on both sides. Only Andor has so far managed to present a believable Empire.
Randomly unnamed star system suddenly comes to be the Capital for a government after 20 years and all military assets are moved to it and destroyed in seconds.
Hux is great in that movie, but TLJ really ruined his character too much. They should have kept him as a threat and not a joke like TLJ portrayed him as.
@@RupeeRhod TLJ was still more interesting than anything TFA had to offer apart from the potential of Rey. I can see why Johnson changed Abrams outline because it would have been the most generic predictable blah story imaginable. Hell, Abrams already ruined Finn in The Force Awakens what with him just suddenly murking off stormtroopers left and right.
Ginger hitler was cringe, this scene was lazy writing. Lets copy hitler and put him in space. Not even tongue in cheek copying, literal copying almost frame for frame from nazi germany, just pure laziness. This scene was awful just like the movie itself and the ones that followed.
@@AisarShamsul If you enjoyed it then fair play. I personally found it boring and lacking creative directive. Also found it offensive with how the original characters were cast aside and made to look like idiots. I'd argue the following movie had a tough act to follow as the story line of TFA was so poor and lazy.
Hux was being bullied by the first order leadership all consisting of sith so he would have a reason to betray Kylo Ren and become the big bad in the final film, would've been 10x better than "somehow Palpitine returned".
They should've had the First Order fracture in the third movie and start a civil war between Hux's faction and Kylo's, all the while the Resistance scrambles rebuild after being reduced down to a handful in an old smuggler's freighter in TLJ and then take advantage of the schism. However, that would've required Disney to NOT try to appease the blind haters by pretending TLJ didn't even happen as much as they possibly could and thus instead continue off from the events of TLJ like they should have.
You'll never guess what was laying around in other drafts of the script! Actually, you will, because it was exactly that: Hux having an inferiority complex because he realizes he'll always be second fiddle to whatever evil wizard shows up.
@@jonirischx8925We learn almost nothing about the empire in the original movies. Imo fascism involves extreme nationalism and a subordination of everything under the state. We can't know whether that was the case from just the movies.
Just remember, that the Starkiller was in a completely different system lightyears away, meaning it shoots lazers that are faster than the speed of light, and probably faster than the fastest hyperspace drive. Also, for SOME reason, the destruction of INDIVIDUAL planets in Hosnian system is seen from Takodana, as if Takodana was part of Hosnian. It ALSO makes thunder sounds on Takodana for whatever the heck reasons The entire scene is just a one big flop, with basic physics laws being nonexistent
Awwww man. The sci-fi movie in a galaxy far far away doesn't follow the laws of earth. Boo hoo. Stfu and criticize the other stuff that deserves criticism. How does 90% of Star wars lore work in the real world?!?
@@therypanda you do realise, that most, if not basically ALL of our laws of physics exist in SW universe, and literally part of the lore? Light, speed, mass, gravitation, they ALL work exactly as they do IRL, which is already enough to make the entire Starkiller scene a complete flop
@@vldvvalentin Rypanda1 seems to think that if you build a world where space wizards, hyperspace and anti-gravity tech exist, then you should throw out every law of physics and just have everything else make no sense to the viewer. Rypanda1 also seems to think that 'laws of earth' is a thing when Einstein proved that the speed of causality (aka light) is a universal constant.
There was like...one throwaway line about it being a hyperspace weapon in the resistance briefing on it. Supplemental information that SHOULD have been in the movie is that it fires through hyperspace, and it ripping through hyperspace had some technobable effect that made it visible to nearby star systems or something. Which would be cool if they'd explained any of that in the bloody movie. Or showed it more than once. Have it blow up known planets, have it be a lingering threat for more than one movie. Like literally anything would've been better.
That moment in the force awakens was the make or break moment for the entire trilogy for me personally. I think instead of a super weapon a new surprise attack on the Republic with a large invasion fleet would have more impact and been able to establish the battlefront. Which systems were republic, which were the first order and what the stakes were for this attack. This trilogy could’ve been like the opening to battlestar galactica where the republic was unsuspecting of an attack and per consequence they all had to evacuate their home worlds, regroup and then push the enemy out. The planets to liberate to end the war are now established and we know what has to be done for the rest of the trilogy. By just outright destroying them, the war is over and there’s nothing to go back to. TL;DR - Replace the laser with an invasion fleet and instead of obliterating the planets the FO could’ve attacked the planets and now the FO is an actual threat and there’s still something left to fight for
Yeah you're basically describing Thrawn's invasion. That would have been novel to see in a Star Wars movie. Not some dumb hyper-mega-super-duper Wunderwaffels weapon, but a fleet, strategic genius and a real motive for a war instead of more "omg guyz empire is still evil and ruled by evil hooded red wizard from the grave you guys!"
They should've just followed how the Sith Empire returned back during the Old Republic. Lightsaber wielding Sith followers under Palpatine, thousands of newly built Star Destroyers, new Sithtrooper designs, and maybe new battle droids such as the Sith War Droid Mark I or Sith Droidekas. The amount of movies/shows you can get from that would be so many that people would probably get sick of how many there are. Each movie/show focuses on a different character/planet each time telling their stories and how the universe is fairing with the New Republic and new Sith Empire being at each other's throats all the time. You could probably get a game about it like Star Wars: The Old Republic, too bad they're mostly too blind and incompetent to see that
The more I watch Force Awakens, the more I think it's worse than the Last Jedi. Too much template lifted exactly from New Hope. Felt unrealistic, even for a fantasy movie.
@@CharFred-vr1tiYeah, still remember sitting in the theater, people cheering around me, thinking "Another sand planet..? Another spherical weapon..? That's what they think is the essence of Star Wars?"
ive heard many people complain about palpatine in rise of skywalker, but the starkiller scene is the atrocity that ruined the saga since it makes pointless the original trilogy since the empire rises again and it also comes with many plotholes, like , how did the first order built such a weapon without anyone noticing, or also the fact that they put the whole resistance (which also shouldnt exist by now) in a bad position with a single move. Lets take Han solo for an example, the guy lived many adventures with luke and leia, fought with bravery against the empire and risked his life for the rebelion, then 30 years later, he looks up to the sky and watches an entire planetary system fallin apart, the first order rising and his son being a sith, its simply atrocious (excuse me for my english)
...........half of that happened in the EU too. the empire rose again via the remanent and a dozen other imperial mini empires and Hans son went on to to become a sith. and as for super weapons there's the gravity gun, sun crusher, metal crystal phase shifter, AND the world devastators. The only thing that didn't seemingly was the resistence being a thing
@@kylepeters8690 well... i have to give a hot take here but i think there should not be continuations to this story in general, now this is only my opinion but i think the story works best if it has a more open ending like in return of the jedi, leaving the rest of the story to imagination, there are simply so many things that could be screwed up in a continuation that i think it should just be leaved there, in fact, the chosen one profecy said that after the chosen one (anakin) finished his job, the FINAL balance of the force would be restored, so it wouldnt make much sense if there are more big battles or conflicts after anakin's sacrifice, but again that is my opinion, i havent read the comics so i im wrong let me know
@@AmaruArriolaI respect your opinion but I disagree. How did the empire make the first death star without being caught or known to the galaxy?? It's a sci-fi movie set in a galaxy far far away.
if im not wrong, the empire was in control of the galaxy in the original trilogy, they had all the resources they wanted and they were in the highest position possible and in revenge of the sith they eliminated almost all their threats (they killed all the jedi and their apprentices), in fact, that is why is called "the rebelion". The starkiller makes much less sense since the war and the tirany of the empire was supossed to be over in return of the jedi, and then, 30 years later they say that things are even worse than in the original trilogy (specially in the last jedi, where there is a scene where they show a small group of people and say that they are all of what is left from the rebelion/resistance). after that, i see your point, but i think fiction should built on its own logic, set rules and attributes to the world we are been thrown to (or the faraway galaxy) so at the end we have a well build story and a world that feels real. @@therypanda
@@AmaruArriola the new Republic was full of ex empirials. They did not see the first order as a threat. The ones who warned them of the first order were silenced. There was a huge amount of bias in the Senate
It was destined to be an Iconic scene, with varying troop types, vehicles and ships to make any Star Wars Lore creator swoon. General Hux could have been the inheritor of Grand Moff Tarkin, but by The Last Jedi he became a sad comic relief. Just yet another terrible waste of a character building and potential story arc.
@@wefinishthisnow3883 Quite the opposite. The Last Jedi gave Star Wars massive potential that the third movie then squandered. All because Disney didn't want to acknowledge TLJ ever happened in order to try to appease the loud but microscopically small minority of blind haters who wouldn't have been satisfied no matter what.
@@immortalfrieza Can you explain what you mean by that "massive potential"? because I don't see it. Which movie was it that squandered Finn and Poe as having anything to contribute to the main plot? Which movie was it that killed off Snoke, Phasma and Luke for no reason? Which movie was it that made Hux out to be comic relief? You can believe whatever you like, but it won't change the reality that Star Wars TLJ lost nearly half the audience from TFA (1.3b vs 2b+) with toy sales plummeting afterwards.
i will never understand how they paid these high level execs and writing teams overlooking an entire new star wars trilogy and they are getting paid all that Disney money and NOBODY at the top thought it was a good idea to make sure that they have a deep well written plot and character story arch's that were consistent across all three movies...Every movie just did their own thing and fucking winged it and then passed the next chapter of the story over the a totally new team and they that just did whatever they wanted and every movie made less and less sense then the last. When I heard that Daisey Ridley was shooting the final shots of the 2nd movie and she herself STILL did not know if she was a Skywalker or a orphaned nobody or a Kenobi or a Palapatine just boiled my blood... Hearing John Boyega being told he was one of the central main characters of the story only to find out later that he was just turned into the loud a sweaty screaming black guy / comic relief made me upset... I wanted to see a faceless stormtrooper rise to the challenge and turn into a jedi badass. They took the largest most popular franchise in pop culture that is loved and cherished by millions of fans and they literally just did not prepare at all. Disney was like a drunken college frat kid who comes from a family with tons of money they just did not care about the quality of their work at all and did a 30 min study session right before they had to take the biggest test of their lives and it ended up exactly how we all would expect Actors did their best, the costumes and art direction were all great, a lot of things were really well done and these rich Disney fucks thought that would be good enough to wing it and they felt that could just skimp out on the most important part...The writing and the story. They really jus threw a massive about of money on the visuals of the movie and skimped on the heart of it all...the writing and story I honest to God think Disney could have picked up like 15 random starwars nerds off of reddit who *loved* starwars lore and as long as they have writing backgrounds. I think they could have locked these nerds up in a room with unlimited Pizza and energy drinks and within one month they would have come out of that stinky room and had a story that was 1000x better and well written for all three movies and Im not even joking
@@chrisd8006That's the beauty of long copyright claims. Disney doesn't have to be accountable to anyone. And with trademarks, they still control Mickey Mouse despite Steamboat Willie entering the public domain. You don't need talent to own a story, just the copyright. It's the 50 Shades of Fantasy but no sex and more absurd plots.
@@chrisd8006 "and NOBODY at the top thought it was a good idea to make sure that they have a deep well written plot and character story arch's that were consistent across all three movies" Forget not having a deep plot and the character arcs planned out, they thought it was just fine to not even have a _rough sketch_ of the trilogy's plot done in advance.
The biggest problem with the ST is that no overall arc was penned out and signed off by everyone participating in it. Ryan Johnson is a great director but you can't come into a franchise like Star Wars and just decide to junk all the plot threads set up by your predecessor to set up your own. The lack of someone in overall control caused the ST to self destruct. Lord of the Rings had several unit directors, but they all reported to Peter Jackson and were following his vision. The Sequel Trilogy needed something similar. Hux went from a fascist to a clown.
TLJ is very much not a good film (IMO) but at least he tried to make a movie, the JJ films were just product. I feel like people react more to TLJ because there's something bounce off of, TFA and TRoS are just empty space.
Dude's looking to start beef with JJ with that title. 😹😹😹 But I suppose Rian did turn Hux into a punching bag so much so JJ pretty much gave Hux's old role to Richard E. Grant in retaliation. It's pretty funny that while George had everything set from the off, characters, locations and such. JJ, Rian and Disney treated the Sequels like a game of tug of war. And while I like the Sequels, they are alright action sci fi films to switch off too... I can understand the reasoning that they aren't good STAR WARS films.
I agree. I’ll also add that both JJ and Rian are competent, talented directors, but if you task them with a film unlike they’ve ever done before, they’ll often goof it just like anyone else would. The sequels suck for sure, but we shouldn’t diss the directors when they’ve done plenty of other films that are good
@@SomebodywithaRU-vidaccount True. I mean JJ's scope at a Mission Impossible film was good with MI:3 and while I've not seen them Rian's Knifes Out are liked by quite a few in film regards.
@@SomebodywithaRU-vidaccount JJ is a hack that became famous thanks to the "Lost" formula. He throws a bunch of ideas that are cool into a script with little to no care on how to develop and resolve them, resulting in stories that start great and then fall flat. It's been a constant in all of his body of work.
@@SomebodywithaRU-vidaccount Rian is more than capable but someone like him is a terrible choice to do a franchise-film, in particular the second film of a trilogy, because he strikes me as someone who doesn’t like to play by rules set up by others, who likes to do his own thing. With TLJ, he wasn’t interested in following the plotlines set up by TFA and he didn’t seem to care either that another filmmaker had to pick up where his movie let off.
I can't agree that the "speech" scene was even good. It was SO over the top! And I remember someone pointing out that the Empire wasn't full of YELLERS the way the First Order was, which made them seem that much more calm and collected. Like the Ep 7 dropships that shook and had unstable lighting. Since when? My initial impression was that the First Order was being held together with duct tape, only for this scene to come along and try to convince us they had a weapon that was considerably stronger than the death star, able to (somehow) branch its laser into multiple planet-destroying lasers. I get that "suspension of disbelief" is required for such movies, but it's not like there isn't a precedent here. And then, when it was revealed that Starbase Killer (ugh) is a snow planet...that happens to be RIGHT NEXT TO A SUN (used to power the weapon, no less), I pretty much gave up then and there.
I disagree on that one. This kind of Goebbels speech put in Star Wars was one of little few moments where the sequels showed some world building. And where one villain was characterized as a fascists fanatical leader. This was something new in Star Wars and had to be "over the top" to get that effect.
You can compare this to real historic Nazi speeches. Those were also "over the top" and brainwashed a whole nation into a total war which makes the whole thing even more fucked up
First Order was supposed to be all the craziest zealots that remained after the Empire collapsed. The “calm and collected” Imperials all either got arrested or surrendered or just plain bought off. Personally, I wish they had gone further into the feral aggression one would typically expect from such zealots. Orbital bombardments over smaller matters, deliberately crashing damaged fighters into enemy capital ships, Stormtrooper banzai charges? Could have been amazing.
@@mikewaters2126 In d4k's defence, I've had many posts auto marked as spam because I had an uncensored swear word in them. Which, to your point, should encourage the "don't use them" decision of your listed options.
