Something interesting you can try is to take away BTN’s nut advantage on AK6, by removing hands like sets and 2p. You’ll find that BTN still wants to play big bet or check. So I wouldn’t say nut advantage is the main reason why we bet big on this board.
Super interesting finding. We discussed your question in our upcoming episode about Ace-high flops (coming out May 3rd). How much did the betting frequency get reduced in your sim compared to when the solver does have those sets/two pairs?
@@mbradycf By quite a bit (45 -> 15%). You can find the sim+explanation in Q1 of this quiz: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-hia5l59B9vY.html Looking forward to the next episode!
Can't tell you how great these podcasts are. Having the word for word transcripts is an awesome learning tool as well. Bought Upswing's new tournament course based on the quality of these Level-Up podcasts
You must be playing in some juicy low stakes live games! Check out our episode on how to win at live poker from a few weeks back. By the way, even if you don't see button vs bb hands specifically, the concepts tend to carry over to other heads-up positional matchups. Though I suspect you don't see many heads-up pots at all if you're never seeing button vs bb.
Still curious about topic about betting small on boards that can change dramatically. For example 679 if we 3B IP (100bb deep), does our range wanna bet small? Does this change OOP vs IP? Was looking forward to more complicated spots like this
it's always gonna be small on 976 in a 3-bet pot, in or out of position. The caller's range is gonna smash that board way more than us so we have to be defensive, even checking with lots of overpairs. Main difference between OOP and IP is we will be betting less frequently OOP. Maybe @garyblackwoodpoker will have something to add.
Question #1 on the comment if bluffing less when betting small. Are we talking about 33% PSB or 10% PSB? @ 33% PSB they have to defend so wide it is basically an unexploitable bet size. When I look up the MDF for a 33% bet size I have an incredibly hard time finding enough hands to XC with. So why bluff less when betting small if the opponent has to defend with so much more to the point it is difficult for a human to find these hands as well?
When talking about equilibrium ("GTO") play, your opponent has to (and often will) call more often vs small bets. So, your betting range should contain a higher proportion of value since they are going to call more often. You bring up a good exploitative point, though. If you've studied a spot and you know it's very tough to defend properly vs, say, a 33% bet in that spot, you can definitely increase your bluffing proportion to a number greater than the theoretical baseline. The (basic) point we are making in the show is: if you compare two very different sizes, like 100% pot and 33% pot, your 100% pot range should have a higher proportion of bluffs to take advantage of the fact that your opponent is going to fold more against the bigger bet (barring exploitative adjustments).
One thing that's kind of confusing is that a lot more of the math that you see about this stuff has to do with equilibrium bluffing frequencies rather than with value bet ranges. When you bet small you are betting for value with hands that are ahead of the villain's continue range. Since they have to call with a lot of weak hands, that means you can bet with stuff that is far too weak to bet when you are betting large. For example if villain is going to have to continue with most or all of their ace high, you can bet a lot of your own ace high for value. You won't necessarily go three streets with these hands but on the flop your opponent will have some tough decisions especially with hands that don't realize their equity very well, where they could profitably continue in theory but are going to have to give up too much on future streets to show a profit in practice. You can also have a few bluffs with hands that aren't much now (so if you get raised, you don't mind letting them go) but that have some nice prospects on certain runouts. You will have some tough decisions of your own if you do get raised with your semi-strong value bets though, since you likely won't be able to bet/call all of them without calling too much.
@@UpswingPoker but doesnt this mean a range bet strategy is worse then we thought before because range bets have way more bluffs than value am i wrong?😅 Is rangebetting outdated or is it still true that you dont lose much EV on some boards with rangebetting a third?
when you say ''bet small'' throughout you mean and are always referring to ''c-bet IP'', correct? like in your example BTN vs BB SRP. what if we're in a situation where it's CO vs BTN SRP. here we are OOP but we're the ones who could c-bet because we have the betting lead. when we do c-bet should we also c-bet small despite being OOP? and when we don't c-bet, should the IP player (in this case the BTN) "probe'' flop?
@@roamingthereal4060 I understand that and agree but we do still use "c-bet" and "donk bet", and "OOP" and "IP". when I said "betting lead" my point was that we were the aggressor on the previous betting round.
You said you want to use small bet sizes on disconnected boards but then you say you want to use small sizes on boards that can change dramatically on the next street. Can you clarify the difference because i feel like those 2 statements are polar opposites.
Hello guys- I really like your channel - it's jam-packed with great info. I just have one request - Could you just stop pasting everything so tightly together with all the jump cuts? This is dense information and difficult to process, even for those moderately versed in GTO theory. Our brains never get a chance to catch up to what has just been said because the next sentence begins IMMEDIATELY after the last. The normal flow of conversation is completely destroyed when you eliminate the natural pauses in between. I know that you have to juggle that with trying to cut down the length of you videos to obtain more views and not deter the no-attention span-having-zombies from clicking, but you ruin the flow by doing so. Now I know that I have a pause button and I can always go back, but who wants to sit there clicking the space bar all day? - and it's even harder to do on a phone... Besides, most of the time I'm listening to these videos while doing other things, so that I'm not at the screen - and if there was just a little more time between sentences, I'd be able to get so much more out of this really dense and detailed information. Thanks for your consideration, you have a great channel. Cheers!
