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When were the Comitatenses formed? | The Birth of the Late Roman Army 

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The Late Roman Army was divided into tow broad groups: the Comitatenses, or Field Armies, and the Limitanei, or Frontier Armies. The first oficial mention we have of the Comitatenses is in 325, when documents explictly refer to it to distinguish it from the frontier forces under the Emperor Constantine. However, military experiments under the Emperor gallienus in the third century, constructing an army made of cavalry, and further military refomrs under the Empero Diocletian, have led some schlars to wonder if the creation of Late Roman field armies can, or even should, be pushed back past 325 to the third century proper.
SOURCES:
The Late Roman Army, Southern & Dixon
The Roman Army: A Social & Institutional Hisoty, Southern
The Roman Army, Southern
Roman Warfare, Goldsworthy
Warfare in Roman Europe, Elton

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Комментарии : 45   
@JohnnyWindmill
@JohnnyWindmill Год назад
Late Roman armies fascinate me a lot because I like seeing how the Roman’s tried to cope with the conditions of the time
@TheFallofRome
@TheFallofRome Год назад
Me too! I used to be a big fantasy reader, but largely stopped since I discovered late antiquity. This was real, and it fascinates me endlessly
@ArcAngle1117
@ArcAngle1117 Год назад
@@TheFallofRome It's why I find the Byzantine Period so fascinating. I've been hoping to find a video that goes in depth in the Theme system but it doesn't seem like there are many.
@TheFallofRome
@TheFallofRome Год назад
@@ArcAngle1117 So, I'm going to be doing a video on that. But, fair warning, what I will be telling you in that video will be the "standard" explaination. I say that because the host of another channel, Nuanced History, is actually doing his master's thesis on the Byzantine Empire, and has some ideas that may rework how and why we understand the Theme system to have originated
@stevenreedwebercooks
@stevenreedwebercooks Год назад
You should do a video on all the different Late Roman bodyguard troops and their differences. Palatini, Schola, Excubitors, Noumeroi, Spatharios, etc
@TheFallofRome
@TheFallofRome Год назад
I’m planning on it!
@hyokkim7726
@hyokkim7726 Год назад
@@TheFallofRome Yeah!
@SNP-1999
@SNP-1999 Год назад
I can highly recommend the excellent series of books by author Ilkka Syvänne on the History of the Late Roman Army. Beginning in AD 284, he carries on until AD 620 in five (or six?) seperate books, each beautifully Illustrated and well written. These are a must for anybody interested in the Late Roman army.
@TheFallofRome
@TheFallofRome Год назад
Yes I’m halfway through them, actually. They’re fantastic!
@SNP-1999
@SNP-1999 Год назад
@@TheFallofRome They are, aren't they! I have just found out that two new sequels to the series are to be published soon at the beginning and end of October, taking the history on from AD 565 to 602 and from AD 602 to 649. These are on Amazon Kindle which as far as this series is concerned has done a good job in the reproduction (not always so, regrettably). I can't wait for them to be published ! p.s. Thanks for your excellent work and also for the ❤ you gave me!
@alexandersinger9788
@alexandersinger9788 Год назад
@@TheFallofRome It would be great if you could do a book review of the ones you've read so far. These are pricey books, and there are other (also pricey) books out there like Warfare in Roman Europe AD 350-425 by Hugh Elton and Late Roman Army by Pat Southern and Karen Dixon ... I just don't quite know which way to turn! Would love to hear your thoughts on any of these.
@TheFallofRome
@TheFallofRome Год назад
@@alexandersinger9788 actually I would recommend both of those very highly I was thinking about doing reviews again. I used to do them but they never seemed to get many views
@paprskomet
@paprskomet Год назад
He will continue also post Heraclius to narrate about medieval Roman times army.
@johnquach8821
@johnquach8821 Год назад
I really like your videos! The late Roman army is such an interesting topic!
@josephpercente8377
@josephpercente8377 Год назад
It's difficult to keep track of roman units after legions were defunct. It seems many units had only about 1000 men. Also they varied in composition. You had hunnic archers, persian calvary, etc.
@paprskomet
@paprskomet Год назад
Composition was still based on the very same basic division on infantry and cavalry.It didn"t varied in composition in this sense.Not to mention that majority of soldiers were still native Romans.Typical size of various classes of army in this period is debated because evidence often gives inconclusive informations.Legions of this time are usually thought to have just between 800-1500 soldiers but some of them existed still as ca.6000 strong formations hovewer devided into several smaller and effectively standalone detachments.
@zippyparakeet1074
@zippyparakeet1074 3 месяца назад
Romans had always been recruiting foreigners into the army as auxiliaries and this didn't change in the Late Roman/Byzantine Empire. If a certain peoples were really good at a certain style of warfare then Rome had the gold for their expertise. The Late/Eastern Romans regularly hired Nomads such as the Huns and Avars and used them to teach their own native troops in the Nomadic style of hybrid troops i.e Cataphracts also capable of shooting volleys of arrows and the Parthian shot.
@SkyFly19853
@SkyFly19853 Год назад
I love your videos. They are very useful.
@TheFallofRome
@TheFallofRome Год назад
Thanks! I’m glad you enjoy them
@SkyFly19853
@SkyFly19853 Год назад
@@TheFallofRome You are welcome and I thank you. I plan to make my own Civ like video game. Those videos on RU-vid are really useful.
@Georgios1821
@Georgios1821 Год назад
The Late Roman Army was mainly created by Constantine the Great and not Diocletian as its often portrayed.
@TheFallofRome
@TheFallofRome Год назад
I actually wouldn’t say it’s often portrayed like that. The literature is usually careful to note that while we have some of the most coherent evidence for Constantine’s period, the rest isn’t abundant enough to say definitively where Diocletian’s reforms start and end. It is entirely possible that aspects of the late Roman army were developed in the late 200s under the tetrarchy
@Georgios1821
@Georgios1821 Год назад
@@TheFallofRome Agreed. I said it because a lot of people are giving emphasis only on the Social Reforms of Constantine and not his Military Reforms. Can you make a video on the Great Roman-Sasanian War of 602AD-628AD. It's a great topic.
@TheFallofRome
@TheFallofRome Год назад
@@Georgios1821 sure I can do a video on that
@Georgios1821
@Georgios1821 Год назад
@@TheFallofRome Thanks keep up the Great Work
@SNP-1999
@SNP-1999 Год назад
@@TheFallofRome One shouldn't forget the reforms of Gallienus either, when one considers the changes the Roman army went through in the late 3rd century.
@TheKenigham
@TheKenigham Год назад
Great topic for a video! yours is probably one of my favorite channels on youtube!
@TheFallofRome
@TheFallofRome Год назад
Thank you!
@muhibuddinlsm239
@muhibuddinlsm239 Год назад
very nice video thanks you very much ❤️❣️❤️🧡
@SkyFly19853
@SkyFly19853 Год назад
Btw, where is the Gladiator movie? You know the one that fought against Germanic Tribes?... 😏
@TheFallofRome
@TheFallofRome Год назад
If you’re asking about the location (?) I don’t know the specifics but it’s somewhere on the Danube, during the Marcomannic War
@SkyFly19853
@SkyFly19853 Год назад
@@TheFallofRome Yeah, that one. Russel Crow played as Roman General.
@seanbissett-powell5916
@seanbissett-powell5916 Месяц назад
@@TheFallofRome Or alternatively, Tilford Woods, just south of Farnham ;)
@jt-moneyHockey
@jt-moneyHockey 23 дня назад
and also Edward Gibbon
@LLopes
@LLopes Год назад
I WOULD IF I WERE AS SWIFT AS THE ANGELS
@formacionG13
@formacionG13 Год назад
Spit that game mike
@elshebactm6769
@elshebactm6769 Год назад
🤠👍🏿
@asdfgasdfgadsfgadsfg
@asdfgasdfgadsfgadsfg Год назад
please don't pronounce cavalry as Calvary, which is a place. Calvariae is a good latin word meaning skull.
@TheFallofRome
@TheFallofRome Год назад
I wasn’t, I’m well aware there is a difference between the words. It might just be an audio issue
@asdfgasdfgadsfgadsfg
@asdfgasdfgadsfgadsfg Год назад
@@TheFallofRome Alright, thanks for the explanation.
@TheFallofRome
@TheFallofRome Год назад
@@asdfgasdfgadsfgadsfg no problem! Thank you for watching, hope you enjoyed it!
@user-qm2wl9ry9n
@user-qm2wl9ry9n 5 месяцев назад
I wish that the narrator would pronounce Latin names a little bit more as they are pronounced in Latin , not that I hope for full Latin because I know that the narrator is no linguist , he is a distinguished historian.
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