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@@davidlabossiere1140 I drive Tapcons quite often my friend and if your breaking them then it’s usually user error or using knockoffs that can’t handle the blows. I definitely agree with you though this connection on the block is solid
Back in the 2000's there was a hurricane coming and my dad was boarding up our block house and ran out of tapcons. He asked my brother (probably 12 years old at the time) to call a family friend to see if they have any extra tapcons since the hardware stores were sold out of everything. He called and asked for tampons.
😂 cant make this stuff up. So what did he get? Just An education of thier unique individual purpose an differences. I just imagine kid hand his dad a box of tampons. Then Silence followed with utter look of confusion.
This is concrete formwork. It is temporary. There is no need for treated lumber in this situation. It will be in place anywhere from one day to at most a couple weeks. No need to worry about fasteners rusting because they are also temporary I started as a laborer in construction in 1978. I began doing carpentry shortly after that and have been a full-time carpenter for 38 years. I’ve seen this method used thousands of times. It works! Although tapcons could be used in the situation, the nail and tie wire works just fine. With this method, the person removing the concrete forms does not have to carry a screw gun around with them. Just a claw hammer to remove these fasteners after the concrete is poured. This method also has been used since way before tapcons existed.
Thank-you for this comment. So many people think they know the exact situation that is going on and will IMMEDIATELY try to say how wrong every detail is!! ....another tip for people, u don't like the video, then don't waste time commenting😂
In this situation why would you even use tapcons. Tapcons are designed for a completely different purpose. Fluted nails for concrete are still made to this day
All true! I'm doing that for 17 years! Except that you don't need 5 pieces of wire . A 3/16 hummer drill bit One wire and a 16 duplex nail will definitely do the trick.
Fuck tapcons! A 3/16" bit and 1 or 2 pieces of tie wire are faster, cheaper, and you can't strip the nail and it doesn't get f'ed up with concrete when he pours. If homey hadn't set it he could just use the doubleheaded 16 like it was intended when he needs to strip that form. He used extra tie wire for the softer block. That connection will hold like crazy especially in concrete. I have used it countless times to form concrete on large scale commercial projects.
We did this for temp work and concrete forms, never permanent. Good trick is to use weed eater line because it won't mess up the concrete when you remove nail. Temporary use guys
Yeah it has sheer strength yes, but very little pull strength over time especially. Plus on a concrete block it likely exerts too much psi and can shatter the dam thing over time, if not immediately. There's reasons why the threaded screw is made to cut and relieve the tension yet still hold. Plus that form wire will rust like a mofo within a year and be totally gone. Use the right stuff folks!😂
there’s nothing wrong by any american construction standard with doing this. its an acceptable way of fastening to concrete without tapcon screws or gunpowder actuated nailers. it holds incredibly well.
It hold better than you think I was a unbeliever once and I have been doing construction all my life. First time a friend told me to try it and I did it I took a crow bar to remove board and needles to say the couple places I could move it I busted the concrete up after that I was a believer.
@One Manufacturer description:- Duplex nail; For temporary construction where nail removal is required, such as concrete forming and scaffoldings; Smooth, uncoated shank and double head.
I am a NYC HIGH RISE CARPENTER. Local 212. I build skyscrapers. This is used on a daily basis. Cost effective and quicker then grabbing anchors. You can find a piece of tie wire mostly any where on the floor. And we mainly use 16 Doubles. We call it a T5 here in N.Y. and no inspections will not fail cause of this. You people saying this is bad have no idea what your talking about
It's so there an overhang/lip. It will be removed when they strip the 2x8s or whatever they choose to user to frame what is most likely a stoop pouch or patio.
@@precisionformconstruction6134 Yes, that’s what I meant… I corrected it 👍 - Although I never understood why other companies use a 3/16” bit, because now not only do they use a smaller and more breakable bit, but they also have too carry wire, wire cutters & nails, then cut the wire & fumble with the cutters (which takes time)… Whereas with a 1/4” bit is bigger and less liable to break and you only need to carry nails (much faster), and there’s no fumbling with wire & wire cutters
@@jesusb.502 son tornillos azules que se usan para amarrar tablas al cemento. Pero el de el video también lo hace correcto el clavo y alambre es una forma más vieja de amarrar tablas con cemento los tornillos azules son más nuevos. Esta he te que no sabe piensa que los tornillos es la única forma de amarrar tornillos
They are making the form for the top fill and top floor poor.. this form boards come off. The loops on the wires allow you to come back later a remove buy pulling.
@@Cjdanks448 what violation bud. its a slab overhang spacer block for temporary forming. it gets stripped day after pour. congrats on being a couch carpenter. tapcons will cost you more in material, more in time to go get them, and the end result ends up the exact same anyway.
@@nolangoldberger2921lol I I live in NY that racist crap been gone way back when the south separated from the north …. Im actually a American of many different races and places but I can tell you would probably call me a light skin black man and the uncle I mentioned he is of a European decent but you would probably call him a white man but I tell you what try this method of anchoring it works well !!!
Lol its called pinch nailing screw tap cons and u only need 1 tie wire and a 16 duplex or a 8 duplex with a 16 duplex sametime. But yes many don't know this trick and much stronger than tap cons!!
@@inanimateuser9828 I build stuff all the time. If I'm just building a form I do not do any type of permanent fastening. Look mr smarty pants. My comment is valid, you don't attach untreated wood to concrete. Now if he's making some kind of form well then right on. I would have come up with a better way of fastening it though.
A 16p duppie and a 16p framing nail will do the same job if it’s a quarter inch hole but I like to use a 16p duppie one piece of tie wire in a 3/16 hole it makes a good tight wedge and is clean looking
reusable tapcons adds to the expense they are much more stable on the just mortar block tit for tat. quality verses quantity. maybe. digging in your form to remove sunken double heads takes time and tears up your formwork. who is doing the work is a critical factor in both uses. -- this job is... can this method be improved with the help on hand?? one nail in time shown is not productive. so money must not be an issue. Tapcons would let your boys move better with less "struggle?"
For the keyboard superintendents out there, this is a time tested way to make a very strong temporary anchor. This is form work, folks. It appears the slab will overhang the foundation blocks by 1-1/2 in with the edge form face nailed or screwed to this. It works. We used to use 2 16d nails in a 1/4in hole in poured concrete.That was before Tapcons were ubiquitous. It's a helluva lot stronger than tapcons in lightweight CMUs. Not perfect, but gets the job done or at least keeps it moving forward. I personally would bevel the top edge slightly to form a drip edge, but that's just me.
Did concrete work for 25 yrs and see nothing wrong with this. Would most generally use tap cons, but there was several times over the years where I would still the hole and get 2 duplex nails started in the same hole and just drive them on in. Always worked good and held tight for me. They also make duplex nails with a kink in the middle made just for this type of thing. Always wanted to try those but never did. But there was more than once when I took a 16 duplex and bent a curve in it first and then drove it in. Worked good for me.
Why do all that? Tapcons work better and quicker. I could find some leftover lumber on the job site and make wooden pegs out of them and then drill a thousand holes in a 20 section and then fill the holes with the pegs and it would work but then also I could just do it the right way... with Tapcons..😂
ehhhh every job site I've ever been to had at least 2 safety people walking around at almost all times of the job. nothing like this every happened. granted, that's was some top dollar jobs sites, I know for a fact must worse stuff than this happens on site
@@joshplayzgamezz I have seen plenty of forming ply held on by duplex nails and tie wire. Canada. The shit works. I would a trust it over an insert. But hey, it ain’t engineered.
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Tapcons don’t hold very well in cinderblock or bricks anyways. A plastic conical anchor would work almost as well too, if put into the cinderblock first.
The only thing I'd change in this scenario it's the type of nail used. I'd use a double head nail. If you use a 16d double head with a 3/16" bit you only need one piece of tie wire. This is the ideal way to do this type of job, if it were permanent, that's when you use tapcons, otherwise it's a waste of money. Drilled thousands of holes like this as a concrete carpenter in downtown Chicago.
@@stilljonesn4582 many names for products are regional. In the Chicago area we just called them double head nails. I guess technically they’re duplex, but you were kind of being a Karen and being anal about what Jose called them. Point being, you knew exactly what he meant.
@stilljonesn4582 you're right, but if you're in a high rise job and you ask your laborer for duplex nails you will be looked at funny. At least in all the jobs I've been at, I've yet to hear any carpenter ask for duplex nails. Maybe in boystown that's what they call them 😂.
@@joseaceves81 joseb what carpenter uses duplex nails? Lol. Concrete formers all i know. We work 30+stories up and anyone with a nail like josea joseb jose c he fell off the roof again mr george.
Incase any of you internet Einstein's didn't realize: this is temp form work... it will be removed after the concrete is placed. also people did build things before tapcons.
Anyone that has ever spent anytime forming concrete knows how helpful sucker nails can be.....you can use 2 8d with 1 16d you can use 2 16d you can use tie wire and 16d on and on.......the main reason for a sucker nail is the ease of striping the concrete forms
I agree with zero t. Do not do this. 1st nailing into a fake anchor. 2nd using a duplex nail. It is for form work only. 3rd those nails will rust quickly and fail. 4th you are fired
@@stevenmullins7528 the fact you dont even know what this is for and want to claim shoddy is hilarious. this holds better than tapcons and everyone and thier mother has wire and 16D in their bags on hand. its getting stripped the day after pour. fire em for saving you money? time? installing a stronger fastner? all it needs to do is hold the 4-6 inches of concrete from blowing out. alot of places do this still and WAS the original way to do it before tapcons were introduced. have fun paying more for "skillful workers" who are literally doing the same thing slower and at more expense.
It looks like he found the perfect way to create a conduit for water to infiltrate directly into the concrete filled cinder block causing spalling from a rusting nail and rebar if they use any in the filled area. The untreated wood will rot. They can be out again for another payday in as little as three years if they have not been sued first.
@@taco6989 what the hell are you talkin about? That trick doesn't meet code anywhere! To put it bluntly it's a piece of shit work and that install will fail dramatically.
Try use 6.5mm drill and 1 wire and a hex head screew or a bugal. That way u can back the screw out with out making a big scollop when ur pull the nails out yer. ❤
I'm not sure about permanent applications, but for forming, you can't beat tie wire and a double head 16. You only need a drill and a hammer. They can be removed easily when you need to strip the forms, the tapcons are way more expensive and require either another tool or adapter to drive them. They don't work that great in block, you can always add a piece of tie wire if the nail seems loose. The heads of the screw sometimes have too much of the coating on them and don't let the Phillips bit engauge enough to run the screw in or too much for the hex head. I personally would've went into the rib of the block but if the form blows out I'm not the one who's getting their walking papers.
1 16 with wire folded over once that’s all you need with a 1/4 bit 👍🏼 Oh yeah and you always mess up whatever you secure that way so please use tapcon on finish product
No. It's not. Though you're inability or lack of desire to learn about things relevant to your life and expenses probably didn't help your chances of ensuring build/ purchase quality.
I say so, bc by simply reading the comments, you could see nothing was done wrong here. And if you're planning to invest hundreds of thousands of dollars in smthn, then need to maintain it for years, picking up some knowledge relevant to that purchase would be a wise decision. Sorry that happened though. Construction is filled with sharks and fools... like every endeavor.
@@theoriginalmonstermaker so many people commenting to use tap cons shows how little they know about the trades. Tapcons weren’t always here and nails were used almost exclusively for forming back in the day
@@taco6989 you are correct. Tapcons didn’t exist when I started doing construction. This was the only way concrete forms were attached to concrete block or concrete. And obviously this tried and true method is still being used by many concrete contractors.
