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I like how parry has absolute authority over inertia. *Havel slams you with the fury of a legendary dragon slayer with an elder dragon's tooth* *boop to the side with metal plate*
I love it Makes no sense at all Also not a normal parry of diverting the blade gracefully You outright flip the direction of the weapon instantly it’s hilarious
@@OscarDeLaHoyad I don’t count Sekiro. They essentially EXPECT you to parry in that game. In Souls it’s an optional skill that’s nice to know, but not the end of the world if you don’t.
It’s because this game, Elden Ring, and kind of Demons souls are the only from games where you can react to attacks to parry them. Ds2, ds3, and BB you have to parry just before the attack starts coming forward.
there is like dozens of stuff in ds1 that are op af or just straight up overkill. example ds1's zweihander is just broken for pve. i just steamrolled the whole game with it. ds1 was my first soulsborne and still it felt the easiest out of any game despite me running an almost blind run. i dunno why people suggest ds3 as the easiest in souls trilogy to newcomers
@@btchiaintkidding7837 I guess because DS1 can be somewhat clunky because its old and its kind of infuriating when you consider blighttown lol. I guess DS3 has Lothric High Wall (my most hated location) and Farron foretress (Imo its not as bad as people say)
@@szymonderlatka4942 Sens fortress IS absolutely dreadful if you go in blind the first time, and the bonfire once you get to the very top is so well hidden that people might just go all the way from undead parish through sen’s fortress just to get to the iron golem. Admittedly I am on my second run right now and zoomed through it, but even then I still died once or twice.
Parrying Havel to death will always be scary as long as you don’t have enough hp to survive one mistake. Parrying is easy in DS1, sure sure, but it’s still tense as hell to do it dozens of times in a row.
I'm actually doing exactly this, and I can't believe I used to have trouble with DS1. There are definitely parts where it's frustrating but as a whole DS1 isn't that hard lol
@@astro3213 yeah the boss runs were one of the more frustrating things in DS1 and also the amount of just walking around or backtrack in case you missed something in the first half of the game because you couldnt teleport from one bonfire to another
going from ds1 straight to ds3 is like slamming face first into a brick wall honestly i was effortlessly destroying every parryable enemy and then i get to 3 and it's IMPOSSIBLE without a buckler so i just went through the whole game without doing it lmao
@@samanthaB98 No way. Ds1 is incredibly easy since it actually has Poise and the animations are so slow. The final boss can literally be Poise tanked while spamming parry, its completely trivial. DS3 poise is a joke, enemies are a lot more chaotic to dodge, and it's overall faster paced. Ds3 is not that hard, but its way harder than Ds1. Ds1 has some tedium until you unlock warping, thats the only thing
@@Aycheffe idk i didn't really find any boss insurmountable in ds3 but i have never beaten ds1 because i keep getting to the four kings and giving up because i've lost patience
DS1 was only ever of middling difficulty after you learned its systems. The difficulty wasn't the original point, though it has since become the point.
i would argue that the hardest part about dark souls was everything surrounding the gameplay, i knew literally everything about this game going into it, so even a dumbass like me could defeat asylum demon as soon as i'd figured out how to hold a controller and look around in a game that wasnt skyrim or tf2. if you happen to know exactly what to do and where to be then the game is very manageable, but, had i started playing blindly i would have gotten so severely fucked up that i'd be crying about it to this day
nah, elden ring its waaay easier than dk1, the only reason dks 1 its easy its because you guys abused backstabs and parrys, im shit at timing, so no parry for me usually, and i dont like backstabs, i did them too much in my first ds and dks playtrhoughs, but since then i have completed dark souls 1 10 times and its kinda hard because backstab its just braindead op, but dark souls had a lot more limitations to the player character which made the challenges harder, the archers of anor londo would be piece of cake with bloddhound step or barricade shield, the dificulty have not become the point, they just now know they should manage the dificulty in a wise way, because for everyone specially videogame journalists dark souls its super hard unbeatable unfair, when in reality its just a game, games are not hard, they just a game
Or, at the least, armor felt liked it mattered. Can't say the same for DS3 or too much for ER. At least poise is relevant again in ER, but I wish defenses gave the illusion of mattering more too.
@@Oknahidwin yeah people keep saying Sekiro in parry videos when they are both almost two entirely different mechanic. They feels and play the same but they are two different system that in sekiro it's more like a perfect block than a parry.
I honestly find it much easier and forgiving in Sekiro personally. The learning curve of Sekiro combat took a while to get down, but for me the difference is dodging is the jack of all trades, most useful option in the souls games. Parrying can be the "easy" option in some cases (Gwyn), but at the same time it's extremely punishing if you miss, and by 3 and Elden Ring, it becomes very difficult to reliably parry most attacks if that's your playstyle. On the other hand, Sekiro is built around the parry and you're making the game much harder if you avoid it. It trivializes bosses like the centipede, and I personally find the timing easier because you are reacting, whereas some souls attacks I want to parry make me think too hard and time it wrong. It's also way less punishing if you miss parries. This is balanced out by the dodge being more situational and having less i-frames - you'll get destroyed trying to dodge roll into attacks, and it's generally more useful for positioning yourself or escaping the reach of incoming attacks. It's also made a bit redundant because of the jump, though the fun of Sekiro is chaining dodge counteracts, jumping on people's heads, and just keeping pressure on so you have more control over fights.
sekiro parry is more of a perfect block when compared to ds parry. in dark souls you need to atleast time it (althought not that difficult in some games) where in sekiro its just block right as you get hit
I use to hate Dark souls, I returned it the very next day saying to myself why would anyone make such a trash game that nobody can play. Until a few years later on I picked up Dark souls 3 and absolutely loved it. The problem was originally, that I went the wrong way from the firelink shrine, those skeletons made me rage and, (though I hate to admit) it made me cry also.
Same, kind of. I dropped it two times, the first was because I was trying to kill the asylum demon with the broken sword, obviously I couldn’t so I was like "for whom is this game for!?” It turned out I wasn't familiar with the item equipment and my friend told me -"did you pick the sword?” -”what sword?" -"you should have picked one, look on your items and equip it” -"what items? Oh...” then easily killed the asylum demon but then quoted a little more afterwards because I was overfarming until my equipment broke and I happen to accidentally kill the merchant there to which I had a similar exchange with my friend, I dropped it since I had invested so much time and didn’t want to do it all over again. I tried it some time later again and actually did things right and succeeded, and naturally, now I love the souls games. DS can have a perilous learning curve but if you get through it and do things right, it’s haughty rewarding but yeah, doing the wrong things and taking the wrong steps on the beginning can ruin your overall experience.
Elden ring is not really hard you have jump attacks and op bleed/frost or you can stan bosses with heavy weapons' jump attacks or in the very least you can use summon spirits or crafting some items. I only think that elden ring's mobs are OP, everything can kill you easily as if they just copied annoying mobs from early game and made them exponentially stronger and pasted on every late game locations.
Okay but with the benefit of Time, Havel is approachable and is trivial at mildly higher levels. Malenia is still bullshit and untenable even in the late game, her pathetically small kit, her outlandish damage output (for special moves) and the fact that she heals on attack is just not fun. Havel can one shot you, but he has a piss-easy parry window and is slow and heavy. Malenia isn't OP or unstoppable but she wasn't a lot of fun to fight and getting flattened by her and getting flattened by Havel are night and day.
@@drewhammond5203 I keep hearing about this fight but ive seen everything solo it imaginable we have 1. A mimic tear soloing her 2. somebody beating her no shield lvl1 no rolling no jumping 3. Jerma985 who is bad at video games 4. me who is bad at video games with a +7 estoc 5. The black knife assassin soloing her first phase 6. Bleed builds fully killing her in 14seconds below level 120 She is deadass fair its just unlike 90% of bosses in elden ring you are actually required to learn a little bit instead of just headbutting them with broken shit and one million summons a couple times before they die.
@@drewhammond5203 Dissagree. I think Dark souls is very much more an rpg and about exploration. Where Elden ring is more an action game. I do think that Malenia is overwhelming, but she is the ultimate optional late game challenge and i think its fine that way. With how strong certain builds are you can kill her in seconds at even lvl 1. Personally, if you get a decent medium shield for the first part fo waterfall it really is manageable. If you want some tips im always down. Dont lose hope! I have friends that did her 3rd try, 14th try. I did her 188th try. But that was only because i didnt want to lvl up too high, use certain weapons or use summons or look up how other people figured her out. You got this bro. I for one LOVED the healing mechanic, it rewarded perfect gameplay not allowing you to just heal through things. Her health is low so it lets you destroy her when yo u get good at her, but it can also be a back and forth and rewards perfect gameplay without punishing imperfect gameplay by making you start over, like hell and hell in dmc games. I really aprieciated this organic idea.
@@Jayden-zq6fj Nobody says she is unbeatable, they just say she is unfair and unfun. To put it very simply for you, how many times do people die to her while having used all their estus flasks? Not very often. Dying to oneshots while having high vigor has never been a thing in souls games. On top of that, learning to dodge Waterfowl, which can instakill you, is 10x more difficult than learning to dodge her entire other moveset. So instead of learning that, the game makes it more efficient for you to just hope she doesn't use it too much, and kill her fast. Most people complaining about her have beat her multiple times.
I love how so many people are saying omg I can’t believe I thought DS1 was hard. Well when you know everything about a game that game is gonna become monumentally easier
@@khajiitimanus7432 that's the point im getting at. The game is gonna be a lot harder on the first play through. And fromsoft games have the sharp learning curve which makes them harder then most. But once you know what you're doing there's very little in the game that's gonna be hard
@@procheesy2355 What I mean is: By the time someone who has never played a Souls-like before is done with Anor Londo, they are probably just as good as someone who's beaten NG+ in terms of grasping the game mechanics firmly. Hells, by the time they beat Bell Gargoyles, some of such new players may be fairly good for the majority of the game remaining. Conversely, DS2, DS3, and any other of FromSoftware's Souls-likes have higher learning curves. So, while DS1 is even easier in retrospect, it must be acknowledged that it wasn't too massively hard to begin with either; simply, it was punishing with mistakes.
@@khajiitimanus7432 that's the same with any game really. Someone that beats ds1 is gonna be as good as someone who's beating ds1 multiple times. Someone that beats kingdom hearts is gonna be just as good as someone who beat kingdom hearts multiple times. The people who beaten these games multiple times will be overall more knowledgeable about the game. Like where items and weapons are what the best setup is ect. My comment isn't necessarily based on a skill level but knowledge of the game as a whole
Something that people fail to understand about Dark Souls: the difficulty wasn't the primary characteristic associated with the game until after Bandai Namco started leaning on it hard for marketing with the Prepare to Die Edition, and especially Dark Souls 2. The greatest strength of Dark Souls is not its difficulty, but its world design, which to this day is still superior to every other From Soft game after it. Dark Souls was crafted with interconnectivity in mind where other games were focusing on making their worlds as big and expansive as possible. Sure, a big, expansive world is interesting, the first couple of times, but it isn't until after a while that it starts to get stale, as the player soon realizes just how sparse everything is. In Dark Souls, however, the twists and turns all have various risks and rewards attached to them, to the point that even shortcuts could become rewards for a path the player took. Some players would find the shortcut, some wouldn't. Some would find the optional boss hiding behind an illusory wall, some wouldn't. Some players would find the hidden area that gives them access to a new covenant, and thus, a new way to interact with other players online, and some wouldn't. This is why Dark Souls was so popular, and the entire series, as well as Bloodborne, Sekiro, and Elden Ring, managed to get made. Hindsight can cause us to lose sight of what it was like to have a game come out that was really unlike all of the others being made at the time. Just because it's easy now doesn't mean it wasn't a challenge at the time, and a meaningful one to overcome. That fact only means that you got gud.
Dark Souls 1 is a fucking joke if you've played Bloodborne, Dark Souls 3 or Elden Ring. Once you know how to stay close to enemies, bait attacks, and get dodge timing into your muscle memory, Dark Souls 1, even the DLC, is incredibly easy compared to the higher expectations of later games. I didn't finished the DS1 DLC when I first played it, but I went back to it after DS3 and Bloodborne, and Manus took me 4 tries, Kalameet took me 2 (would have been 1 but I was trying to get its tail). This was essentially my first time fighting either boss.
Okay scrublord , i get it you’re trying to prove that you’re good . But ds1 was the foundation of all the said games that came after . It has a legacy of it’s own so at least respect that . Peace ✌️
works the other way round too. keep seeing these posts/videos about how much of a wall Margit and Godric are but....er...yea 1st try no issues. Standard DS bosses. Now some of the "normal" enemies. Those bodied me much worse lol
@@muditsangra4106 I respect it, don't get me wrong. I had a hard time when I first played it. But it plays so differently when you know what you can get away with.
@@sclarke6969 Godric I pretty much got figured out and can first try him every time now, but I'm on my like 4th playthrough and I still have trouble with Margit. Dude pulls every trick Fromsoft has come up with. Attacking while you heal, changing attacks mid combo based on your actions, fast attacks, combos with staggered timings, constant punishes for mashing dodge, attacks that chain a bunch of hits in a row to finish you off without giving you a chance to heal, attacks that if you dodge roll through them you'll get hit anyways because they're designed to cover your s with 2 weapons... Margit is basically designed to show you everything that Elden Ring bosses will do aside from giant AOEs. I dunno how you first tried him unless you got to him after acquiring a bunch of resources and/or levels.
When you come down to it, most of the difficulty in DS1 came from the run back to a boss when you died. Not because that run was difficult, but because of elapsed time between what you experienced in your last fight, and getting to try your new attempt. It's like if you were trying to learn a song and kept making a mistake near the end, but instead of just practicing the few bars giving you trouble, you started over from the beginning every single time. Your progress would be increeeeeeeeedibly slow.
My hot take is that the run backs helped me strategize for my next attempt, all that time to reflect on mistakes and choose better openings, be more patient etc. That being said the statues were genius because in the end the run backs still sucked and 'll take more enjoyment every time
@@whiskeyn1ck I can see how that would be helpful for you. For me it was more the muscle memory that was the issue, so having my short term memory constantly purged was frustrating.
@@RobertEdwinHouse9 the runs are fucking amazing in ds3 honestly it's the one game in the series i think i can honestly say i hate none of the bosses in even sekiro, which i think is the best souls game they've done, has a couple stinkers but ds3 is fun for me the whole way through i am a fucking sucker and the cheap callback they did with soul of cinder's second phase got me, i almost teared up a little
It's even funnier in Elden Ring against the Draconic Tree Sentinal. It's trash can lid against giant lightening hammer. Though you can't critical him, you can still parry every swing of that hammer. Which honestly looks hilarious.
@@joelgoetz1145 It's pretty great. If you get a few practice runs in you might be able to consistently parry his powerful jump attack. You just have to dodge his fire balls, and lightening until he charges you. When he's down he takes a little extra damage. You can do the same with all the large horse riders. Even Loretta, except when she does her special slash. All of them hilariously fall down when you get a successful parry with the trash can lid. Even against the Draconic Tree Sentinel's charged lightening hammer. Other shields can do it too, but trash can lid is best.
Dark souls is a different kind of difficulty. The world will kill you more than most bosses where as in later souls-like games it's more emphasis on the bosses. Dark souls has a lot of traps, ledges and just things around the corner that will instant kill you unless you knew it was coming. It's more trial and error. Nioh on the other hand pours all of it's difficulty into the yokai and a learning curve into it's in-depth combat. Sekiro is probably the most balanced in terms of difficulty.
Like elden ring buckler parry, the original B parry in ds1 was so refined and had such devastating power, one can literally parry most if not all bosses and content. It's really quite fantastic, elden ring B parry is nice but still seems slightly clunky with a more refined riposte.
Uh... You can't parry any bosses in DS1, excluding Gwyn. Not even any mini-bosses, really. The closest you'd get is Berenike Knights and, as previously mentioned, Gwyn. I think you confused DS1 and DS2. DS2 allowed one to parry nearly anything and everything, if you timed it right.
@@Ghorda9 No, actually, I don't mean Black Knight. Berenike Knights are the ones you find in Undead Parish, Sen's Fortress, and the Painted World. They're bigger than Black Knights.
Same, I found parrying to be an annoying thing to try and master so I stopped bothering. It was a bit easier to use in bloodborne, but I still rarely used it.
@@cleversasquatch I'm the opposite of you, I found parrying much easier than back stabbing, because I always fail the backstabing enemies for some reason... Hmmm maybe I'm just bad.
Glad I'm not the only one who thought Dark Souls felt easier to play after so much Elden Ring. It's not just the mechanics, it's also how the bosses in general don't feel like they're always on meth so you can predict them better than Melania, Margit, etc.
thats the problem with elden ring to me, bosses have this psudo blood bourne aggression going on with a game that relies on the roll mechanic. I think personally a lot of elden ring bosses are just a chore to fight until I had to level up to being similar or slightly overlevel. And I've played ds1, 3, bb, and demon souls. Elden ring feels more like nioh with boss fights than a souls game to me which is what I don't like.
@@xakune8357 you mean when I bought a 65" crystal LED t.v. just for that game, and had it at release (pre-order), and did up to ng+4 on my main character, and ng+2 on a secondary character, and made a couple guide/tip videos even.... That 'Elden Ring' ?
I agree with a lot of the comments here. After playing through later Soulsborne games, Dark Souls 1 isn’t that difficult if you’re a skilled player. I think it can still present a fair challenge to newcomers, but I think even newer people who play Elden Ring before DS1 will still find it relatively easy. With that being said though, I never paid attention to the difficulty in the first Dark Souls. For me, what’s special about the game is the large amount of diversity you get in build types. You can literally attune any build to your liking, and it’ll work if you are dedicated enough. It’s a really deep and engrossing RPG system, and the same can be said for most of the other Soulsborne games too. I just think this title is easier to make builds in than the others, nevermind other positives like tight world design and art direction, the gorgeous soundscape, etc.
Imagine if they went back to DS1 and patched Ultra/Colossal type weapons to be unparriable while twohanded like they are for the rest of the series. People would be back to getting pancaked by the Rock left and right lol
Even all these years later, as someone who's never really gotten the hang of parry timing, I still find Havel and his big-ass one-shot stick intimidating.
@@miningmavericks4725 meh. Sure you can stack dmg for 30 seconds to profit from 12k dmg for 4 seconds. If the boss lets you. Then again theres no skill or fun involved.
@@dexter_yours_truly, what? Damage across the board is higher in ER to match the higher HP on enemies. You don't need to stack buffs to kill everything.
@@Logank192 never said you had to. ER is still not balanced and kinda forces you to use op stuff unless you want to wet-noodle your way through the game
@@dexter_yours_truly, what do you consider "OP stuff"? Mimic Tear? Rivers of Blood? Moonveil? Bleed in general? I didn't use any and beat the game just fine. The game has a few problems, but I dunno what you're getting at.
I've gone back to finally play the original PS3 Demon's Souls for the first time after Elden Ring. It's crazy how slow it is in comparison, but I think they did their encounter design a lot better back then and it compensates it well.
Medium shields have nearly identical parry frames with only a minor decrease to recovery time for failed parries. However, if you use medium shields that means you can use the grass crest shield for stamina regen.
Going back after bloodborne ds3 and Elden ring, I just put on a long sword, restored humanity, and played until anor londo, where I fell of the rafters and died, realising it was my first death, meanwhile my magic playthrough I died a lot to being unable to walk and cast
How scary must it be to be Havel wearing all that armor and this guy comes in and you're thinking easy peasy I got a giant tooth as a club. The guy proceeds to smack aside your weapon with every hit you attempt you make and stabs you in the gut causing minimal damage. You soon realise your impending demise... you get one hit in! There is hope! The guy just shruggs it off...
I never did parrying in any of the other games very much because I thought I was shit at it. I've been taking the time to learn it in elden ring and its so satisfying, makes me want to play ds1 again with parrying
(Palpatine voice) Do it! There is nothing more satisfying than parrying the final boss (even if, canonically, he is nowhere near at the peak of his power).
It took me 6 years. 6 or 7 long years watching lore videos and falling in love with the world and thinking "Wow it really sucks that I am such a trashy loser I will never be able to play this game and see this world for myself." Then one night in 2018 I started watching ENB's "From the Dark" and something clicked in my head and I was able to get to, and kill the Taurus demon. Another week after that maybe, when I rang the second bell I knew I was going to beat the game. Not "I was pretty sure I could"... no. I KNEW. The game TOLD ME I would, if I really wanted to. It wasn't a matter of trying harder, or being smarter or quicker on my feet... it was letting... tf... go... slowing tf down... and allowing the game to show me something I didn't know was inside myself. Seriously. I know it sounds dramatic, but it literally changed my life. I'm still a trash loser, but... idk I'm a trash loser that did a thing one time.
They obviously made the tree sentinel while looking at Havel but I kinda wished they kept the gray color instead of switching it to golden. After all his armor was the pinnacle of fashion for tank builds
But the tree sentinel uses the same skeleton as the asylum demon and uses some of his attacks too? So the tree sentinel is basically the asylum demon not havel
@@lua6582 nah i don’t blame you so many tree bosses in this game it gets confusing. speaking of cool ds1 references have you noticed the omen killers are a clear reference to capra demon
elden ring is the first souls-like i played all the way through, so now i’m going back and playing the dark souls games in order, just smoked the capra demon
DS1 had literally the best parry frames, change my mind, you could literally partial parry and then parry the same attack on the same attempt on rare occasions... it's wild...
This was a strat back in 2012 we used it gets easier the better you are at souls games of course but I always used medium Sheila's in ds1 since the parry is so easy
Parries make ds1 so easy. I know a lot of people go through souls games without learning to parry but I highly recommend it. It's also just really fun.
People have a misconception about DS1 that makes it more challenging than ER. The difficulty wasnt just trying to kill Havel. It was killing Havel, and the 20 different enemies after him that were on your ass before finding the next bonfire. The levels and the map design were challenging themselves and are unmatched to any other souls game. You can’t just fast travel to a bonfire as an easy exit.
But did you know, that with some prep you can one shot parry him right at the start? I'm talking red tearstone ring, hornet ring and power within combined with +5 weapon
Not only are the later souls games way harder, but similar games like Nioh and Monster Hunter also makes Dark Souls 1 look like a joke. Still a great game though.
