the dude who said you shouldnt like turnstile and knocked loose because theyre "entry level bands" and then immediately complaining about old heads gatekeeping with no sense of irony is hilarious to me
I guess I'm old now. But Knocked Loose and Turnstile are great. Just because your gf can listen to it and enjoy it doesn't mean it sucks. And Knocked Loose has nasty riffs and great energy. They're a great hardcore band. I see bands like them and Omerta and it makes me happy that these guys are doing something that's more accessible for younger people. Guitar music is in a precarious spot and gatekeeping only puts nails in the coffin.
People are just big mad that those two bands have outgrown a scene that is filled with non stop cookie cutter hardcore. I'm glad to have seen them move on.
@@DefThrone Guitar music isn't going anywhere in the underground, as plenty of people my age are eating up the metalcore and hardcore coming out right now, as well as the much more mainstream indie rock that is also using guitar.
Glad that hardcore is alive with teens and young adults these days! I remember my first time I got punched by a dude twice my age in the pit, one of the best days of my life.
@@liloreoinya haha I was 12 and some dude asked me if I wanted to get thrown, I nodded and got launched. Found myself in a pit taking backhands to the face. The day I found hardcore.
lmfaoooo i was coming for this comment, HC has the most gatekeep culture regardless of age. Whether its the straight edge kids or the "oldheads" as soon as they open their mouth its instant cringe.
I am an old head, almost 60 ,still listen to hardcore since 1982 , still vegan....but i accept i am to old to enter the pit , i love my kids going to HC shows but its their time now, they carry the torch, i am an elder and i am just proud of our punk culture across the world and what it achieves. .... Yeah, i am still a buddhist.. ..and had no idea that was a cliché. Respect from Thailand
That "hardcore to Buddhist" pipeline has existed since at least 1982. After Bad Brains blew up and the Hare Krishna temple was helping the Cro Mags stay alive, that's kinda where a whole segment of the scene went. I remember not knowing it was that common (and not just a regional thing) until the book Dharma Punx was released. I'm still a totally uninvolved and unaffiliated atheist, personally, but I did marry a Buddhist. Who hates punk and hardcore lol.
they are two different crowds and they have both been around since hardcore was born. its an eternal war between the two sides and will never be resolved.
Yk that guy who disapproved of turnstile / knocked loose fans, shunned old heads for gatekeeping, talked about fake enlightenment, then implied he was too smart to go through fake enlightenment is probably insufferably egotistical. He got so insecure when the interviewer asked if he’s been through a fake enlightenment
Whenever you have a genre that’s just a little bit niche it’s bound to attract the most obnoxious humans on the planet, that being said I love niche genres.
I love hardcore and found so many different bands worth listening to like Turnstiles, KL, Sunami, Scowl, Zulu, Buggin, Punitive Damage, End It, and so many more that deserve their love and credit, but it actually blows how some of us are just gatekeeping and judging others for being new to the genre/scene. It’s literally how we don’t have our favourite bands get seen, get their bread, and have our voices heard(aka working class). Don’t be a gatekeeper, don’t be a class traitor, and stay punk!🖕🏽❤️🖤
Hardcore was an answer to the punk scene of sex, drugs, and alcohol, lot of the early bands came from good families what is this working class larp you guys keep talking about?
@@omgjimmyboy wth are you talking about? hardcore first started out of California in the early 80’s when the punk scene was nearly dying out there so bands like Middle Class, Minutemen, and Blackflag blew up when they brought a more faster and aggressive style (with the help of inspiration from proto-punk) to the scene to revive it, not because some punks didn’t wanna do drugs. now I’m not denying straight edge didn’t come out of hardcore, because I’d be a liar if I did. I think it’s awesome that kind of movement spawned out of the hardcore scene as a way for people to live and promote a more healthier lifestyle while still being punk when punk was known for its excessive drug use. however; it SPAWNED out of hardcore and wasn’t the key reason why that sub-genre came to be. hardcore was a way for punks to push against the still hippie culture that was around at the time, standing against the mainstream industries, against the commercializing of punk, and addressing social and political problems (class struggle; working class). saying that a lot of the early bands came from “good” families doesn’t prove anything to objectify the messages those bands were making from their music, nor make the people who enjoy that form of punk music “larpers.” Tupac came out of a art school and wasn’t a actual gangster, but he was a great artist that many people from actual rough neighbourhoods with gang violence listened to, because he made music they could sympathize with and understand. I come from a working class family, work for a construction contracting company as a labourer, and thankfully have become very class conscious in the last few years with all the unjust stuff that happens to decent working class people. hardcore is something I relate to, because a lot of hardcore bands I like do make music that address class issues that align with my personal beliefs and get me pumped. you have no idea what you’re talking about when it comes to hardcore and should actually know about the music if you want to actually say anything worthwhile. 吃我的屎和頭髮. :D
As a 42 year-old straight edge dude I guess I’m an old head now. I dunno, kids. Just be cool to each other. We’re all there because the music speaks to us.
As a hardcore zoomer yall are cool as hell, I went to a show not that long ago and this dude like twice my age hit me so hard i was bleeding, after the show he went out of his way to get me a drink and shit we just chilled together, the amount of respect I have for yall is immense 🙏
I really like the music and have been on metal shows and in pits all my life, just the crowdkilling in Hardcore shows specifically isn't my thing really, can't decide whether I want to continue seeing Hardcore bands live :/ The more crammed the place, the more stressful the evening. Usually got 6ft guys in their thirties trying to knock me out, can't always have your guard up in time
pretty sure a lot of zoomers had their social development messed up by the pandemic. it seems like they barely know how to behave in general much less at a concert
Not sure. But it was usually the guys that were trying to hurt people that would get the living shit kicked out of them. Now, apparently, it's the norm.
It's a lot of fun to be at these live shows, people are insane. But it was harder to survive watching people speak in this video than actual hardcore show, lmao
I’m so glad that kids are still keeping Hardcore alive. I’ve been going to Hardcore shows since 99. I grew up friends with Hatebreed, I’m from CT…. i fucking loving these new bands Knocked Loose, Turnstile, Drug Church, they’re all fucking dope 🤘🏻 The scene is a whole lot doper now days, y’all are nice as shit and that’s EXACTLY how it should be… the scene was way too fucked up when i was a kid… the whole NJ vs NYC vs Boston vs CT shit fucking sucks, I’ve seen a lot of people get their skulls cracked with weapons. Fuck that shit… The youngsters keep the pits fresh! I love y’all man! You fuckers make me happy as fuck!!!
I grew up in the same region as you, and that totally common brutality is something a lot of people don't understand or think you're talking up. Like, I saw people get their backs brown at least twice, saw people literally get their teeth kicked out punched out, seeing people beaten unconscious and beyond was fairly common, I've been splattered with the blood of total strangers countless times, and I discovered what a wolf pack was at a pretty young age. Weapons (from bats and ice axes to worse) weren't at all uncommon, and clique violence could get insane. And that was just another Tuesday for a whole lot of years. I hope everyone who finds their way into a pit enjoys themselves, but I've literally been at Weezer shows in Boston or Rhode Island back in the day that were more violent than this show. The Northeast was absolutely insane back in the day.
@@EmilyDyeren It's a mass beating. Like 5+ on one. Usually saved for someone who harmed a woman, caused a lot of problem the last time they were around, or were wearing unwelcome symbols. They weren't usually just handed out, but if you went to enough shows you'd notice they weren't exactly rare, either.
@@EmilyDyeren And I didn't even mention the weapons. People sneaking knuckles into clubs inside their boots was fairly common, and if you were in good with the guys working the door, other weapons weren't uncommon. At least one guy made a pretty intense reputation for himself by somehow always having a brick on him. Things got real nasty sometimes. Hardcore has always had a hyper violent reputation, and it stayed that way (at least in the Northeast and coastal California, the two scenes I'm most familiar with) well into the 2010s, at least. I wasn't joking or exaggerating about being at Weezer shows more violent than the show featured in this video, which makes all the people commenting about the violence a little confusing.
In like 1999-2002 I was just like these youths. I know a 21 year old zoomer hardcore youth and he's awesome. Gives me such hope for hardcore going into the future
Being a hardcore head from the 90’s I would see shows by Life Of Agony , Sick of it All, Madball, E Town Concrete , CIV . I love seeing this and remember being that way too. I’m so glad to see this scene is alive and not all go to the trend of boring and monotonous trap rap . When I heard Knocked Loose it reminded me of the past hardcore and now I discover Turnstile and sound great reminds me of Ray from Youth of Today and Shelter era. By the way who were the bands performing in this video ? I didn’t find it in the description
Funny to hear people in their teens and 20s talking shit about old heads, who they copied their entire style from... then they listen to bands who's members are in their 40s-50s. 😂😂
HAHAHA! This is amazing! I am 43 and just went to my first hardcore show... and it was this tour! The Monster Outbreak tour with Drain, Drug Church, Gel, etc... and I made a reaction video and talked about Turnstile (since the show I went to was in Baltimore). I tried to be as physical as I could, but it's true I'm older now and things hurt more. But I would never EVER EVER EVER get mad at the crowd for being crazy rough. I KNOW that's what the scene is about, I respect how they want to enjoy the show - it how I want to, too... if I could. And yeah, I like a lot of Turnstile's music. But I also like all KINDS of music. It was my first hardcore show I went to, but I've listened to Gallows tons, and I was listening to Earth Crises in high school and I've gone to noise punk/metal shows... as well as shoegaze music shows, LOL. Interesting to hear all these different perspectives. I thought the hardcore scene was pretty united in their acceptance of all kinds of people but I guess it's just like everywhere else... people may want to act inclusive but there are always disagreements and divisions and sub-camps of different people. Even on the same floor at the same concert. Well... I had a great time, I don't care if people didn't like my style or age or how I acted.
As a 30 year old, it gives me hope that people go to their first show in any subgenre at 43, maybe leaving your 20's isn't the end lol. Glad you enjoyed yourself, maybe I'll visit my first hardcore show sometime. Also, if these kids are representative of the hardcore scene, the mosh pits sound a lot more violent and even kinda cruel compared to concerts/festivals I've been. Edit: watched your review, seems like an incredibly fun and chaotic show :)
I'm the same age as you and saw Turnstile last year. I'd never been in a mosh pit before and I thought the mosh pit would have been towards the center front. Nope, whole damn venue turned in to mini tornadoes of mosh pits then would combine as one. I left looking like a wet towel.
@@KarlSnarks I'm a kid at heart. Except for money issues when work is slow, I try to go to a lot of stuff (I have a playlist on my RU-vid for many shows I've been to - from Andy C to Melt Banana, Cannibal Corpse, Red Chord (they may not have footage uploaded) Lightning Bolt, hardcore techno, death metal, Dillinger Escape Plan, Locust...) I really never stopped going to heavy music shows! It's just specifically hardcore I hadden't done yet. Sorry. I ramble.
@@MagnumDB Oh yeah, would love to see them again. After that I went to Punk in the Park and have been seeing local bands, one where some jerk crowd killer punched me in the nose when I was just standing by the stage. I made sure to stand facing the mosh pit next time so I can see them coming.
maybe i'm just not hardcore enough or maybe my local scene is just lame, but i really cannot see the fun in crowd killing. what is fun about going to a show and just getting your shit rocked? moshing is fun as hell, but i don't want to get socked in the jaw out of nowhere while doing it
So glad you released another video focused on the hardcore punk part i felt that was somewhat missing/under represented in the first video but now having 2 vids showing the rap part and the hardcore part is great! This vid is just as good as the first one keep it up!
Neo punk fm gotta go to a alt rock/indie rock concert, that would be roller coaster, never seen people get as mad about moshing as the grandson concert.
I knew once I got into hardcore that I would never abandon it. I’ve never regretted being a part of it. 85% of the peers I got into it with 20 years ago eventually went on to the next thing and I’m still wearing band tees at 31 and coming out of shows sweaty and a couple bruises. HC has its own bad apples like any other thing. I’m just glad to see it still thriving.
43 year old metal / hardcore kid here - love the new shit coming out, Scowl, Gel, Knocked Loose, Turnstile, End It, Drain - all great. Screw people who think the new shit ain't as good as the old. Screw gatekeepers as well, of any age bracket - hardcore's for everyone.
the thing i hate about (some) hardcore kids vs metalheads is that there's no sense of brotherhood. At metal shows people are moshing but look out for each other and keep eachother safe, while it seems like hardcore kids couldn't care less if others in the crowd get injured. Metal shows are a violent collaboration, while hardcore shows are a free-for-all.
Have you actually been to a hardcore show? People love to talk about the crowds that get out of control because it's noteworthy, the vast majority of pits in HC shows are friendly in my experience.
Went to the Abq stop of this tour last night. Got a concussion, and the rest of my body feels like I went through a car crash. Lost my glasses during the first band's set (Gumm), and still need to get them replaced. The venue here was tiny and had no barrier between the crowd and the stage, and Drug Church unleashed a wave of non-stop stage divers that continued through the DRAIN set. DRAIN called up like 15 people who all dove at the same time. Took the full weight of a diving woman to the head when I was helping someone who had fallen, damn near knocked me out. 10/10 would recommend!
I was into the Los Angeles Harcore punk scene from 1982 to mid 90's and there were so many factions that destroyed the scene from within, it was kinda sad that there was no real lasting unity....
"hardcore concert"..... back in the days of basements this used to be a running joke. Now it's a true statement. And it's fucking awesome. Good work generations of the future.
Their aint nothing wrong with enjoying some Zao or Norma jean or whatever, and still enjoying Knocked loose, counterparts, or Turnstile. Theyre gate keeping having the music not be as known, which if you don't want success in the genre you enjoy idk what to tell you.
@@nickkohlmann make fun of me all you want I’ll be around when your not😂 Edit: it’s cute your tried saving yourself with the “light hearted jokes” comment
I'm an oldhead. This shit never changes. Well, except in the UK where the scene is pretty much dead except for the odd show in a grimey pub, or some dudes basement in a cottage in Leek playing to 5 people or some shit. I love Turnstile and Knocked Loose, I saw Turnstile multiple times at various stages of their career and all but one show was great (and that was because the venue was garbage). I was a gatekeeper for like a year in my early twenties, then realised what a dumbass i was being. I let myself enjoy fucking Limp Bizkit as well as Floorpunch, Linkin Park as well as Converge. I turn 40 next year. I still look for new hardcore bands, but i also listen to a lot of electronic noise shit, "edgy" rap like Bones and $B, and yes, country. Charles Bronson's Full Discocrappy CD is a permanent fixture in my car cd player. Half the tracks dont play because that CD has been so fucking abused. I dont get people who only listen to the shit they listened to in their youth. I mean nostagia has its appeal but you miss out on a lot of interesting shit by being stubborn and boring. I don't get why no one in this crowd looks like they work out. Their used to be loads of Harms Way looking dudes when I went to shows. Well no one asked, but that was my two cents.
HOLY SHIT I WAS THERE!!!!. My mom took me to atlanta for my birthday. I'm 20. THis is the first time she's done something like this. It was so fucking great man
As someone who used to spend a lot of time in shitty dive bars in stl in my pre-teens and early teens, going to hardcore and punk shows, I dont really care either way. I enjoy what I wanna listen to, which might be turnstile or knocked loose that day. I would more likely be listening to SPY, or GEL, or any of the awesome hardcore bands out there. But the gatekeeping on what slides in the pit, you can crowd kill, and still pick people up, you can have push pits, and crowd surfing still. It can all exist, the song energy is what matters. I just wont accept you being around if youre a racist, fascist, homophobe, or otherwise. Hardcore/punk should remain inclusive.
all of the modern tech bros where in hardcore and noise bands in the 2000s and probably vegan straight edge lol. and as a retired hardcore kid, i moved on to Witch house. Its cool and gets me paid more than i ever did in hardcore bands. Still miss that shit lml
I got introduced to Turnstile from a NPR tiny desk and the singer was playing a Roads keyboard. It was mellow and I liked it, not even knowing they were a hardcore band.
"The poser of today is the gatekeeper of tomorrow" is the best thing I've heard. Glad to see the scene is still the same as it was when I was a kid, the only difference is that aesthetics are different.
Devil's advocate question: If a thirty five year old that is still into hardcore got into hardcore at fourteen fifteen years old, that means that they were part of the Hardcore scene longer than you... Which means you're kind of like a guest in their house.. So why treat them like trash. Logical answers only please.. Curious because I noticed. A lot of young people in my scene where I live that are really just obnoxious.. I don't usually say anything but . They don't care about unity Which is a core fundamental of hardcore.. And trust me I don't like the gakekeeper straight edge crap either.. Those dudes you suggest beat people up for like no reason... I remember smoking a cigarette outside of a Canderia show And some dude from the courage crew came out of nowhere and punched me 😂
Yeah I always thought unity was one of the fundamentals of hardcore, I’ve been around since 2006 and I’ve never heard anyone talk about the “working class” where did that even come from !?
In my experiences, the pits at punk and hardcore shows never left enough room to do flying spinning karate super kicks. It wasn’t about spinning around with your arms out with your hands in fists trying to hurt people. It was about everybody slamming into each other, enjoying the music and releasing the frustration that had built up inside because of school, your family, work, etc… but doing it together as a whole and helping each other. It was about “we” and “us,” not “I” and “me.” It was about unity and togetherness. If some violent a$$hole was trying to hurt people, we would take notice and get that f**ker out of “our” space one way or another. Since the kids from this generation seem to have no idea how to interact in social situations, this spills over to the music scene. They don’t understand comradery; which is funny because either Apple or RU-vid doesn’t recognize that “comradery” is a word and is insisting that I misspelled the word “comradely.” That last sentence proves my point better than anything else I can say; there is no comradery anymore. The isolating effects of the internet has killed this generation.
That stood out to me watching this as well. They talk about consent and saying let everyone have fun, but let loose indiscriminate fists and goofy flailing. I just don't understand anymore. Shows used to be fun, but now it seems like they're just filled with assholes.
In my experience with the music I go see (I guess I'm old) "no karate in the pit" is treated pretty seriously, people get kicked out pretty fast for that shit. I think flailing is a thing with hardcore more than other genres.
I go to a decent amount of Heavy Metal and moshing in my experience at those shows is still about slamming into everyone and the sense of comradery of it as everyone moshes instead of violent flaily or crowd killing. Haven't seen any intentional crowd killing and when someone does get knocked over they're usually helped to their feet by the crowd and whoever knocked them down often, it's cool. It's weird that Hardcore would be so much different these days given the similar energy of the music and similar origins.
I'm 40 and still listen to the same crap I did 25 years ago in high school. We used to go to local hardcore shows and mosh and get sweaty. I got hit with a drumstick once. It was awesome. I'd still do it now. I love loud music and never will stop.
I am 53 years old and this was so much fun to watch. No gatekeeping. Gatekeeping. No rules. Rules for sure. The poser of today is the gatekeeper of tomorrow seems very, very legit.
