WHERE are the Non-Kanto Gen 1 Pokemon REALLY from? (I was wrong!)

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So many Gen 1 Pokemon AREN'T from the Gen 1 region of Kanto...but I made some mistakes on where they're REALLY from!
You guys gave me lots of feedback, including numerous mistakes I made (we're all human!). So I address a lot of the recurring comments that you all made on the last video about these Pokemon, helping me decide where these Pokemon are REALLY from!
(psst...if you commented about a topic, but you don't see your topic, I'm sorry! I couldn't fit every comment on a topic in one screen capture. I did a search for a key word like "coconut", and scrolled until I found a good group of relevant comments together. So if you were hoping to see your comment and I missed it in the video, sorry about that! It's just luck. Nothing against anyone personally! =D )
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00:00 Intro: How you all helped!
00:31 Things I learned thanks to YOUR comments
00:54 Mistakes: Legends Arceus' timeline
01:26 Mistakes: Eevee in B2W2
02:08 Let's Go Pikachu/Eevee
02:46 Exeggcute from Alola?
03:28 Exeggcute as coconuts
04:17 My criteria explained!
05:25 Can't Pokemon be native to multiple regions?
06:59 Mew: Guyana?! Is that legit?
08:02 Mew: Faraway Island?! Does that count?
09:00 Pokemon from space?!
10:23 Old Amber: Mega Evolution?
11:47 Old Amber: Mosquito?
12:13 Old Amber: Location?
12:51 Lapras: Limited or native?
14:18 Where we stand with Kanto
14:36 Outro: Thanks for watching!
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@Clemehl 8 дней назад

I believe you got the wrong Guyana. The Guyanas encompass the ex- Spanish, English, Dutch, French and Portuguese Guyanas, which is now Venezuela, Guyana, Suriname, Frenh Guiana, and Amapa in Brazil. See how Guyana and Guiana are spelt differently. In Japanese, Guyana and Guiana are also spelt differently. You even show it at 7:59. Guyana is ガイアナ Ga-i-a-na, while Guiana is ギアナ Giana). And they took the "Giana" one, as French Guiana. *Mew originally comes from French Guiana, not Guyana, according to Japanese source.* And it makes more sense for French Guiana to be where on earth it was found. Mew is said to be the origin of all life on earth (in the lore). It is a wink to a popular belief that life comes from outer space. Thus, its apparence in Space in the anime and Pokémon Snap. You know where the European Union have their Spaceport? In French Guiana. It also explain Team Rocket's quest for Mew or Mewtwo. You may wonder why Team Rocket and their admin has rocketry name? Because, well because of the space theme, which is further link to French Guiana and its spaceport.

@BabusGameRoom 8 дней назад

Oh man, thank you for that correction! A lot of things are starting to come together for me. People thanking me for pronouncing Guyana properly, but I knew there's also French Guiana, but being Canadian, I guessed that it'd be pronounced more like "Gee-a-na". Google Translate sometimes gave me ガイアナ, and sometimes gave me ギアナ. I thought it was one of those things where they just changed the spelling at some point. I'm aware of country names being pronounced, uh, "interestingly", even though the sounds would be available in the other language, haha I never made the connection since I would've expected to see something to indicate Guiana's "French" status in Japanese, haha And you're blowing my mind with all of the space and Team Rocket stuff -- I love it!

@Clemehl 8 дней назад

@@BabusGameRoom This is my head canon. French Guiana makes more sense, so I am arguing about a mistranslation. Spanish and Italian versions are also talking about Guyana, but they took the English version as their basis. That is why they have the same English name for their Pokémon (not localized). Meanwhile, French and German versions are different: they are translated directly from Japanese! The translator were Julien Bardakoff and Thomas Spindler. And they didn't pick Guyana! Instead they picked... "X" and "No Man's Land" _(Niemandsland)_ respectively. Yeah... underwhelming development, isn't it? I can't speak about the other languages, I cannot speak or decypher them. So my only argument is taking the orthography of Guyana / Guiana in the Japanese version. Weak, isn't it? *Fun fact:* Bardakoff and Spindler were also the first voice actors of Luigi and Wario. First as the Mario Kart 64 Japanese version _(Luigi is the Pope!)._ But if you played Mario Party 1 or 2, you heard their voices!

@rafilosofo 7 дней назад

French Guiana? You mean KALOS Guiana?

@rafilosofo 7 дней назад

So, we had a lot of nearby places named Guiana. And what Guiana means to be used like that? It seems is the name the natives used to a large region where those countries take place. And in their language means "land of much water", therefore Mew is from Hoenn😅

@nicolasfiuza8084 6 дней назад

@@Clemehl because of your comment i found out that japan calls french guiana フランス領ギアナ, which is literally the same, フランス領(french territory) ギアナ(guiana). and also that both guyana and guiana, plus suriname, delta amaruco and guyana region( both from venezuela) and amapá (from brazil) are called the guyanas, guiana or guayanas. this holds true in japanese, so possibly when the journal referred to ギアナ it may have referred the whole guyana region, not any specific country (i'm sorry if something is not understanable, english is my second language)

@ethanbrenna9798 8 дней назад

Has Pokemon ever officially used the naming convention of "Kantonian Rattata" or something similar? I haven't seen them do anything like that - they've always just said "Rattata" unless they're specifically referring to "Alolan Rattata." As far as I can see, they're open to Rattata and other pokemon being native to multiple regions - it's just the regional variants themselves that are from one region in particular.

@brandonjw1215 8 дней назад

Yes! I’m pretty sure in either SM or USUM, Kukui calls the player’s mother’s Meowth a “Kantonian Meowth”

@mbii7667 8 дней назад

@@brandonjw1215 he said what about my mom?!

@ethanbrenna9798 8 дней назад

@@brandonjw1215 Huh, neat. Guess I stand corrected!

@massivelegend6610 8 дней назад

@@mbii7667You know who else says stuff about ur Mom ???

@mbii7667 8 дней назад

@@massivelegend6610 deez nuts

@madnessarcade7447 8 дней назад

I think faraway island IS the Guyana region Pokémon has a habit of using real world things as placeholders until they add an in lore equivalent For example: Before Gen 8: FireRed Its electric charges can reach even 100,000 volts. Careless contact can cause even an Indian elephant to faint. After Gen 8: Legends: Arceus It can discharge bursts of electricity exceeding 100,000 volts- a single strike with that amount of power would incapacitate one of the Copperajah of my homeland.

@kawafernandes7025 8 дней назад

Maybe Faraway Island is IN the Guyana Region.... so, this way, we still don't know its name and it keeps being a mysterious place/region (and it can be properly introduced in a future generation)...

@BabusGameRoom 8 дней назад

Guyana *has* Islands, but it's not just an island. Faraway Island is way too small (and uninhabited) to be all of Guyana, imo! haha

@tezminator 6 дней назад

One thing you gotta keep in mind is that in the earlier games gens and dex entries (specially regarding to Kanto stuff) is that they (Gamefreak) initially might have thought the Pokemon world to be the same as our world, given that Satoshi Tajiri's main inspiration for Pokemon was his experiences as a kid in bug catching, which is also backed up by the fact that the first games take place in a region that goes by the name of a same place in our world, Kanto's Japan. After Red and Green, they still made some references to our world locations for a while with namedrops like South America on Xatu's dex, China on Arcanine's or India on Raichu's, but as far as I remember they stopped doing that with newer mons by gen 5 and nowadays they sometimes recontextualize these old mentions to our would in more recent entries by changing the name of our world location to a generic place/unnamed region/stuff like that, like Raichu's indian elephant entry in older games that in a new game (Legends Arceus) states that it can knock out a Copperajah.

@AbsolXGuardian 6 дней назад

Additionally, when gen 1 was being made the intention was clearly that this is the real world but with Pokemon. The og Japan only Pokedex/lore book makes reference to even more countries and Kanto is an actual Japanese region. But by gen 2, they decided to use different names. I've also absolutely used real country names while discussing my headcanons as a stand-in for "region inspired by" (I considered similar project to this, but one that considers origins a lot. For example the Tepig line would be native to China)

@Flirtz420 8 дней назад

Technically we do go to space in oras when we go fight deoxys. We wear a space suit and everything Lol

@BabusGameRoom 8 дней назад

Oh man, I never did that in ORAS. That's neat! Is there an actual dungeon, or is it just an encounter map?

@Zenith2863 8 дней назад

@@BabusGameRoom It's a cutscene and a single battle against Deoxys. Very cool though.

@amelialonelyfart8848 8 дней назад

Weird thing on Clefairy and a neat bit of folklore studies that a lot of people don't know about, it's actually believed by some folklorist believe that alien encounters and sightings may be a modern version of fairy and elf sightings of the olden days. So Clefairy being a fairy from space may be a reference to that.

@BabusGameRoom 8 дней назад

That sounds legit! We've long-since found everything possible on land and in the forests, but space?! That's where the new scary, small, human-shaped creatures come from. ...now it's just making me believe that any sightings like that were mostly just kids playing pranks, haha

@pkmntrainermark8881 8 дней назад

You know, I never really thought of that.

@saxor96 8 дней назад

I still think the "where do they geographically come from" question is worth answering, and kind of the first thing one things with titles like this.

@BabusGameRoom 8 дней назад

It's definitely a good question! The catch is that it's a lot harder to answer conclusively. And as I mentioned, it's also liable to be changed at any point in the future. It'd be easy enough to see where a Pokemon is most common, but even that isn't the best indicator -- invasive species can have a much greater population than native species, for example.

@nickdentoom1173 8 дней назад

I mean... yes... its a question worth answering, but the problem lies in the Water and Flying type Pokemon who can freely roam and navigate the Pokemon World, as they aren't limited to land. Then there is the issue of Kitakami, which in itself is its own region. However, are you going to count it, because its a DLC region. Like obviously, with Lapras being based on the Loch Ness Monster, geographically and design wise, you can only place them in Galar. Then there is the issue with baby Pokemon as well. Pichu can first be caught in the wild in Alola, suggesting the line is from there. However, its only catchable in 2 locations. However, in Kitakami its the most abundant, suggesting its from Kitakami. Cleffa - again, can be found in Sinnoh first, but is most abundant in Kitakami. Igglybuff - Most abundant in Paldea, while you can catch it first in Alola Togepi - Only region its catchable in without bringing in a mechanic like Pokerader is Galar. Tyrogue - Galar (Most abundant there) Some Pokemon are more abundant than others in certain regions. Like, Eevee is either from a region that introduced an Eeveelution, but thats made problematic a little bit as well, since you cannot catch Eevee in gen 1, gen 2, gen 4 in the wild, effectively placing Eevee in Kalos. However, placing Eevee in Kalos might be a stretch as well, considering you can only catch it at Route 10 and even then it only has a 5% encounter rate, suggesting Eevee is really rare in Kalos as well. Eevee is probably from Galar, not only can it Gigamax, its also found in the most locations in Galar. So while Eevee might be native to other regions, it might find its ORIGINS in Galar (So i feel like Origin would be a better term to use to pinpoint where a Pokemon is from is actually better).

@doomsdayrabbit4398 6 дней назад

@@nickdentoom1173The babies bring up an interesting question for sure. Those introduced in Gen II, with the exception of Togepi, clearly were supposed to be just from where their parents were from, we just never saw them even if it would make more sense to - looking specifically at the three which evolve by level and are available *very* below that level in the wild in GSC and HGSS. The two from Gen III make it weirder still - Marill is only in Mt. Mortar at a 1% chance, but abundant in Hoenn. Wynaut is the *only thing* you find on Mirage Island, while Wobbuffet is much more common in Dark Cave than Marill is in Mt. Mortar. Then there's Gen IV - that's all over the place. Sudowoodo may be Gen II, but it's a one off like Snorlax, so it can't be truly Johtonian. Mantine is Gen II too, but it's kinda weird that we find no Mantyke in Johto when the only Remoraid you'd be able to find to evolve it are restricted to a landlocked lake in the mountains, while in Sinnoh and later regions, Mantyke and Remoraid are found in the same place. And then there's Riolu. Same deal as Togepi, but clearly intended as native to Sinnoh.

@nickdentoom1173 6 дней назад

@@doomsdayrabbit4398 Your Mantine argument is exactly why we cannot pinpoint the exact origin region for Water and Flying type. For all we know the Mantine in Johto, migrated there when they evolved from Mantyke, but the distance is too far for Mantyke to travel too.

@doomsdayrabbit4398 6 дней назад

@@nickdentoom1173 I was thinking more Wingull than Mantine for that. And yeah, sure, in Gen IV it needed incense to breed Mantyke, but then how does that explain there being wild ones of the incense babies in Hoenn and Sinnoh?

@Kahadi 8 дней назад

Regarding Mew, even in the original Japanese Red and Green, it does first say Mew is from Guyana. The retcon later on was not necessarily to change where it was from so much as it was to remove the references to the real world. There are other examples of this happening over time as well, the most easily notable being Raichu. An early Pokedex entry says it can knock out an Indian Elephant, but a later entry changes it to a Copperajah, removing the reference to the real world and replacing it with a Pokemon equivalent. This would suggest that for Mew, the change to being found in a jungle is just to remove the reference to Guyana. If there was already a Guyana-inspired region, that's likely what they would have put instead. But rather than mislead fans by naming a region that doesn't exist, locking them into that name while fans repeatedly cry out for that region to finally appear and get angry over a tease like that, they decided to be vague. Basically, yes, it comes from an unknown Guyana-inspired region, which Faraway Island is a part of. If and when we will ever go there beyond just Faraway Island is... Unlikely. It's unlikely they'd want to give unlimited access to Mew, so they'd have to find a way to prevent access to Faraway Island without refraining from mentioning it entirely. Or they would have to find a way to explain why Mew is suddenly no longer available there (it is implied that Faraway Island specifically is uninhabited and remote, so maybe they could just have that change in the time since Mew was discovered, with people of the region starting to inhabit the island and thus unintentionally scaring off any remaining Mew, but that feels unlikely to happen). I think the most we can expect would be more events taking us there instead of a full region, as much as I personally would love to eventually have regions based on every part of the world.

@BabusGameRoom 8 дней назад

You're definitely right that the retcon was to remove references to the real world. Some commenters seemed to believe that the Guyana part was added to the English release of RB though, so I wanted to dispell that notion. They could still have a game in the region that owns Faraway Island though! Mew doesn't need to be plentiful. It could be a more regular legendary/mythical in that region, and that'd be more than enough. Heck, just let players Surf to Faraway Island (maybe in the post-game), and let them play out the same Mew event from before! haha

@jonahwardell1060 8 дней назад

Sorry to correct your corrections, but exeggcute’s bulbapedia page says it’s more closely related to seeds than to eggs. Granted, some seeds still don’t float. Also, don’t all the Kanto games canonically take place in separate timelines? Isn’t that why there’s mega evolution in the Let’s Go games but not the Gen 1 or 3 games? Great video btw! 🙌 Love these

@BabusGameRoom 8 дней назад

Thank you so much! =D They're related to seeds in that they fall from "trees" rather than come out of an animal's behind, and may they grow in soil...but just look at them! They're clearly pink eggs! ahaha It may be that the only way to make sense of some of these things is to go with separate timelines, but I want to do as little of that as possible. But since Let's Go seems to take place chronologically after Gen 2 (which is explicitly 3 years after Gen 1), I think it's safe to put it in the same timeline. The remakes, however, are more "retellings" rather than "different timelines" imo. I'm not sure what the difference is, but there aren't TOO many inconsistencies between RB and FRLG, at least in terms of the habitats and such that I'm discussing...at least, I think so! lol

@myloveIUxBaeSuzy 6 дней назад

@@BabusGameRoom in LGPE Blue takes over the Viridian City gym without the 3 year wait. There's no Janine in the Fuchsia City gym too, also no Koga, Karen in the elite 4 in any point of the game, meaning this takes place before gen 2.

@ariesstorm9577 5 дней назад

@@myloveIUxBaeSuzyyeah I thought LGPE took place a year or two before the Johto games. Also the volcano on Cinnabar hasn’t erupted yet but it’s becoming more active during the LGPE games. I’ve always wondered whether the battle between Groudon and Kyogre in Hoenn took place on some kind of fault line and it’s their battle that caused the volcano in kanto to erupt. Plus having the Hoenn games take place slightly after the kanto games allows for Professor Oak (the creator of the Pokédex) to create and distribute pokedexes to the other professors of neighbouring regions.

@ben501st 8 дней назад

We can mathematically estimate how buoyant exeggcute is. The dex entry puts the pokemon at 5.5 pounds and just over a foot tall. The eggs are roughly spherical so each would displace about a half cubic foot or 3.89 gallons. Water weighs about 8 pounds. Not only does exeggcute float, they float extremely high in water.

@BabusGameRoom 8 дней назад

Oooh, that's great! I don't know if I'd call them spherical. Ob...loid? Ovoid? Sounds like an egg word, too, haha So maybe Exeggcute really can float! It's hard to be sure if the measurements are for one or many of the Exeggcute seeds, but if it were for just one seed, then it'd probably just make them even more likely to float. ...and I would be really impressed if Game Freak considered any of this when filling in those numbers for Exeggcute, haha

@doomsdayrabbit4398 6 дней назад

If we're going by the Pokédex, apparently Wailord's density is so low it would float in *air*.

@THESURGEKNIGHTS 8 дней назад

The Sevii Islands are based off of the Okinawa Islands, which are part of the real world Kanto prefecture, so I assume they’d be part of Kanto as well.

@BabusGameRoom 8 дней назад

That's a great bit of evidence!

@Pixsylver 8 дней назад

Can we just acknowledge how cool it would’ve been if samurai’s and pterodactyls existed in the same place at the same time? thank you for your time

@BabusGameRoom 8 дней назад

It's a trope for Ninja to have dogs as pets...we need to start the trend of Samurai having pterodactyls as pets in media!!

@Randopatchi 8 дней назад

5:30 THERE I AM GARY! Great job again, good on you for clearing things up and stating mistakes where they were. Happy to see more of what you make going forward.

@BabusGameRoom 8 дней назад

Congratulations! =D Thanks so much! I'm a big fan of mistakes. Sometimes they lead to learning! haha

@sijrben 8 дней назад

i think the question of "what region were they first infinitely catchable?" is getting a bit muddled with stuff like discussions of exeggutor and clefairy. even if they *did* originally evolve (like irl evolution not pokemon evolution) in another region (or planet) and then migrate to kanto or johto later, that shouldn't matter based on your criteria. i think the question of where these pokemon geographically originated is interesting, but it seems like a different question from the one posed by these videos. like, just because a mon is infinitely catchable in a region doesn't mean they didn't first evolve in the region right-next-door which we might hypothetically explore next generation. for example, if gen 10 has a new infinitely catchable wild pokemon who's described as "originating from the mountains in the east" and then gen 11 take place in a region to the east of gen 10's region and this hypothetical pokemon is found in the mountains there, and stated by local NPCs as having originated there, then you have a bit of a dilemma. two questions with two answers.

@BabusGameRoom 8 дней назад

Yeah, you're definitely right. In my list, I'm putting Exeggcute in Johto and Clefairy in Kanto. Clefairy wasn't ever a question for me. This video is more of a response to a lot of the recurring comments that I got. I probably had dozens of comments telling me that I should've put Exeggcute in Alola! haha It's my fault for not properly explaining my criteria in the previous videos, haha

@Zeturic 8 дней назад

The section of Sinnoh's Victory Road that Lapras is found in is post-game exclusive.

@BabusGameRoom 8 дней назад

Oops! Thanks for that correction. I guess if someone doesn't want to count post-game content, then Lapras is a bit of an Eevee situation. For me, I guess that'd make Lapras a Kanto Pokemon if I wanted to give it a region.

@shinesoul7472 8 дней назад

6:34 Legends Arch is gen8. Letsgo is gen7. Paldea is gen9 just throwing out there 12:40 be happy you are doing this before Legends Za came out. Then you would be suggesting that Terrasoars lived in Industrial revolution France(or atleast thats the current guess on when ZA is set)

@BabusGameRoom 8 дней назад

OMG I did it again!! lmao...

@doomsdayrabbit4398 6 дней назад

Oh it's weirder than that - internally, Arceus apparently claims itself to be Gen IX. The definition of "generation" has gotten way too fuzzy since Gen VII had new Pokémon, not just new forms, thrown in in the later released games, though whether you think of the Ultra games as much more than $40 DLC...

@djdjdijon 8 дней назад

I subbed because of this video, very few poke channels listen to criticism and actually use the comments to improve theory’s/lists. Great work

@BabusGameRoom 6 дней назад

Wow, thank you so much! =D As a smaller channel, it's easier for me to stay connected to the fans through comments. I'm currently at the stage where I can not only read every top-level comment, but also reply to them. And a lot of commenters made really great points! (and clearly, I make lots of mistakes, ahaha)

@hhjan594 8 дней назад

10:03 "Of course, the player never actually goes to space" Uh, Delta episode from ORAS exists.

@adamusprime403 8 дней назад

I think he meant more beyond the exosphere, as far as we can tell the scene that Delta Episode takes place in is happening within the Exosphere. And I think he's more hoping we get an entire region in space or at least an entire small location to explore like on the moon. Not just a one and done Pokemon battle that ends with the player back on earth with no real chance to explore the environment

@BabusGameRoom 6 дней назад

You're exactly right! Thank you for that =D

@BabusGameRoom 6 дней назад

I didn't actually know that! It sounds like it's just a cutscene and an encounter though, and not anywhere actually explorable though

@hhjan594 6 дней назад

@@BabusGameRoom Although it's not explorable, it totally made the playground rumor "You go to space to catch Deoxys" true. You totally do go to space in the cutscene.

@dr.archaeopteryx5512 8 дней назад

It would be fun to see the ranges of Pokemon within the first four/five gens (since their ranges kinda jump the shark from gen six onwards). Zubat for example just lives across all of Poke-Japan.

@BabusGameRoom 8 дней назад

That was a consideration for the direction to take this series. Rest assured that the notes I'm taking are kept in such a way that investigating this down the line should be pretty easy! =D

@rhodrage 5 дней назад

I love the "Controversy about dinosaurs," isn't even about a Dinosaur

@BabusGameRoom 4 дня назад

ahaha, you can tell I'm not big on paleontology! lol

@GoldenSandslash15 8 дней назад

RU-vid just recommended this to me and I binged this whole series. I do have one thing that I want to point out. So... there's some book or magazine or strategy guide or something (it's not the game's manual, I can confirm that cause I double-checked) that I remember from my childhood that had Professor Oak in the corner at one point with a speech bubble where he actually explained that he found the starters in the tall grass that surrounds Pallet Town in the original Gen 1 games. I am racking my brain to try and remember where I read this, but I swear there is some official merchandise that covers it... Of course, in the actual games themselves, that grass is inaccessible, and even if you do get there via cheating/hacking/glitching, there are no wild encounters that spawn there.

@BabusGameRoom 6 дней назад

Thanks for checking it out! I'm glad it found its way to you! =D I'm really curious about that. I have two Gen 1 strategy guides that I could look at, but I know there were a ton of "supplementary" books released around Gen 1 that could've had that tidbit. Pokedex books, "Trainers Guides" (that have nothing to do with the games), etc. I do also recall Professor Oak sometimes giving misinformation, but I never figured it out as a kid...haha But I'm taking "The grass outside of Pallet Town" as completely canon either way! haha

@iRazenrak 8 дней назад

A region based off Guyana would be cool. It would be mostly rainforests, and then pyramids and tall mountains...

@Forty3Snakes 8 дней назад

How do you know that lmao like i understand your making this assumption based off the real location but whats to say gamefreak wouldnt just do whatever they wanted with the region

@joaocorreia524 8 дней назад

Also Silph's Tiksi Branch

@melandor0 8 дней назад

@@Forty3Snakesbro doesn't understand the meaning of "based on"

@BabusGameRoom 8 дней назад

Those would be some great settings! Thinking of the regions as their countries, I feel like we had "pyramids" already in Gen 5's "New York"...wherever Yamask was found, along with the desert that has Sigilyph, those felt like a little piece of Egypt. Weird place for them in hindsight. But if they did a proper Guyana region with rainforests, pyramids, and tall mountains? That'd be great!

@ewwitscullen9132 5 дней назад

I love the way you speak, the joy you have for what you are doing is apparent and you put so much research into this.

@BabusGameRoom 4 дня назад

Wow, thank you so much! I really appreciate your kind words!! =D

@coldfrostzero2000 6 дней назад

I think an overlooked idea would be invasive species. Just because it's able to be caught in abundance, doesn't necessarily mean it's native to an area.

@BabusGameRoom 4 дня назад

That's true! I'll be taking it into consideration when it's explicitly mentioned.

@linkthepringlesman3951 8 дней назад

6:55 By this definition, Eevee IS from Unova. Yes, it’s a city, but it’s not some trophy garden situation. It does seem like wild Pokémon. Animals live in cities. As for it not being in BW1… how do you know? You can’t get to the area with Eevee in BW1 to check if they’re there or not. I swear, Eevees home region is going to go back and forth every video lol

@BabusGameRoom 8 дней назад

There's been a lot of back and forth about Eevee, but the B2W2 Pokemon are explicitly non-native as far as I know. Even if the area isn't accessible, some commenters have mentioned that there's NPC dialogue that says the new (non-Gen 5) Pokemon in Unova have been introduced in the time skip between BW and B2W2. That would go against the "normal" part of the definition, haha

@jeremymorris345 5 дней назад

Something about the Pokedex, we see in Legends Arceus that Pokedex entries were based on real events that the Professor wrote. So at the very least those entries are accurate. But I don't see why only these ones would count if the whole point of the dex is to explain things about Pokémon. As for why some of the entries are ridiculous you got to remember the Pokémon world is a world created to have these creatures. Not the real world were those entries would be ridiculous.

@BabusGameRoom 4 дня назад

I'd get it if it was some sort of temperature conversion issue, but it's bizarre that the Pokedex would have temperature in "Fahrenheit" (as in Magcargo's entries) at all if it wasn't based on the real world. Both Fahrenheit and Celsius are named after their inventors, but Fahrenheit had some additional arbitrary decisions that would be unlikely to be repeated in a separate world.

@jeremymorris345 4 дня назад

@@BabusGameRoom Something we just can't think too hard about or just assume a version of it happened in the Pokémon World. Certain things just have to exist, for it makes sense to the audience.

@BvSchagen 8 дней назад

I just recently watched your johto video, your really entertaining. Also decent editing. hope your channel blows up 👍

@BabusGameRoom 8 дней назад

Thank you so much! I'm glad you're enjoying them! =D

@Spectrum0122 8 дней назад

Okay, but a movie about dinosaurs in feudal Japan sounds fucking awesome

@BabusGameRoom 6 дней назад

I'd also take a video game. Beat 'em up, perhaps? haha

@brianmcdonald391 4 дня назад

I love this community style of videos that you've created. It's nice to have a "healthy" dialog going. I don't think gamefreak really had origins in mind when developing most pokemon. But it is fun to wonder.

@BabusGameRoom 3 дня назад

Thank you so much! I'm thankful that, as a small creator, I'm able to engage with everyone here and correct my (many) mistakes. Game Freak definitely didn't think about any of this stuff (and I don't blame them -- they just wanted to make some fun designs), but have the fans ever thought about it! So many different ideas about all these Pokemon!

@JoshuaDDales 8 дней назад

Going forwards in other regions, I like to believe that if a Legendary or Mythical Pokémon was directly tied to its debut region lore, then it is native to the debut region.

@BabusGameRoom 6 дней назад

Yeah! It was a bad move on my part to put Mew immediately after discussing my criteria, lol For Johto, I quickly put the Legendary Beasts and Ho-oh/Lugia in Johto for their in-game lore. Same with Mewtwo for Kanto. But Mew simply wasn't available to catch in Kanto without glitching.

@doomsdayrabbit4398 6 дней назад

These days, the lore of Kanto is equal parts what Game Freak intended while programming it between 1990 and 1996 and the crazy stuff we made up on the playground from 1998 onward that we started discussing online. Mew is native to Truck.

@1manApocalypse_CP 3 дня назад

"That was one of my most controversial statements that wasn't about coconuts or dinosaurs" xD

@BabusGameRoom 9 часов назад

ahaha, I'm glad you liked that! =D

@Oceane1803 7 дней назад

I like the idea that Lapras is from the Sevii Islands, because Lapras is one of Lorelei's Pokémon and basically her ace, and we know that she is from the Sevii Islands as well, so maybe she met Lapras there a long time ago, and that's why it's her ace.

@BabusGameRoom 4 дня назад

That makes sense! I didn't actually know Lorelei was from the Sevii Islands...I played RBY much, much more than FRLG! haha

@Oceane1803 4 дня назад

@@BabusGameRoom I haven't played much of Fire Red and Leaf Green either. At least not vanilla. I don't even remember where I learned that this where Lorelei comes from. Probably a video talking about the story of the Kanto Elite 4 or something.

@captianblitz 5 дней назад

While it doesn’t change anything, the logic that Mega Arodyctal being the true form of the species and thus it must be native to Kalos just doesn’t line up with the lore around Mega evolution. No Arodyctal could have Mega evolved in pre-history, as no Pokémon was capable of Mega evolution until AZ blew up his big machine 3,000 years prior to X and Y, potentially bar Rayquaza, and even then it requires humans for the process, which very likely did not co-exist with Arodyctal. What is more likely happening is what we call Mega Arodyctal was simply the species native state back then, and issues with the fossil revival process prevented its full return in the modern era. The unrelated process of Mega Evolution then corrects the flaws, returning Arodyctal to its true form.

@BabusGameRoom 4 дня назад

Ahh, corrupted fossils definitely make sense! So Mega Evolution doesn't have to correlate with Aerodactyl's location at all! =o

@captianblitz 4 дня назад

@@BabusGameRoom yep, the fact all non-Galar Fossils are Rock type, the Galar Fossils are sins against Arceaus, and the past Paradox Pokémon are so different are strong supporting evidence to the fossil restoration process being wack. Additionally, Hoenn is also host to Mega Evolution, so Kalos wouldn’t even be the only option if Mega was even a factor

@thatotheratrocity 8 дней назад

in regards to the old sea map (the mew event item), hacking it in doesn't work easily, the mystery gift actually activates a flag in the code that turns tells the game you can play the event, the item is mostly to let the player know something is new in the game, that and to hide the way it works from the player just a tidbit, but i felt like sharing it

@BabusGameRoom 6 дней назад

Oh, thank you for that! I am seeing some stuff online that suggests that one caught in a non-Japanese game wouldn't be Home legal, so I do have to wonder how much it should count...haha

@thatotheratrocity 6 дней назад

@@BabusGameRoom home checks arent as thourough as stuff like pkhex, they were transferable into bank, so it's probably considered legal in home, it's worth checking otherwise though.

@MarcEXE. 4 дня назад

Such a fun video(s) idea. It was really enjoyable to think about this.

@BabusGameRoom 3 дня назад

Thank you so much! I'm glad you're enjoying them! =D

@CrypticDingus 6 дней назад

Love these videos!

@BabusGameRoom 4 дня назад

Thank you so much! I'm glad you're enjoying them! =D

@superairdog6136 6 дней назад

11:26 Hey, that’s me!! I like these videos, makes me want to consider going through all the Pokémon myself to see where they’re native.

@BabusGameRoom 4 дня назад

=D Congrats!! If you did that, I'm sure we'd have some different answers! It's subjective where each person will draw the lines.

@alphamarigi 8 дней назад

Let's Go takes place in alternate timeline as gen 1 because the same story beats happen with different characters. I'd place it a year after Gen 1 so Red and Blue can be your senpais.

@BabusGameRoom 8 дней назад

Yeah, it is a bit weird like that. It's like Red decided to ignore Giovanni. Or Giovanni tried again after Red and Blue were busy being Champions and whatever. ...guess that'd explain why he disbanded Team Rocket after Gen 1. He lost to a 11-ish-year old TWICE in a row...haha

@SpoilerGoblin 6 дней назад

You made that Monty Python joke with Spearow when Swellow was RIGHT THERE

@BabusGameRoom 4 дня назад

RIGHT THERE, but in a different Gen! ahaha

@SpoilerGoblin 4 дня назад

@@BabusGameRoom eh fair enough

@everestbocholyan2806 8 дней назад

I thought this was a video made in like 2013 before I actually checked

@BabusGameRoom 6 дней назад

When you have a budget and a skillset from 2013, you work with what you have! ahaha

@CosmicCorviknight 8 дней назад

I love how in the early gens Pokémon kinda sorta took place in the real world with mentions of Guyana and Indian Elephants etc but gradually it's become definitively a separate fantasy world. They want us to forget Guyana was Mew's home but we never will!

@BabusGameRoom 8 дней назад

It's our job to remember these bits of lore so that they don't become forgotten!

@GreekGodAngus 6 дней назад

The scientific community has long come to consensus that exeggcute was brought to Kanto by Snorlax eating them whole in alola and surfing across the ocean to poop in Kanto.

@BabusGameRoom 4 дня назад

Oh, right! How could I have forgotten that?! ahaha

@X9Z17 7 дней назад

Good for thought; there is an Aerodactyl skeleton in the Pewter Museum, what’re the chances this skeleton was found in the region and wasn’t sent from abroad??? Also, this skeleton is seperate from the old Amber we revive it from, meaning some where fossilised. Also, Old Amber can be discovered in Kanto in Cerulean Cave, Johto in the Ruins of Alph, Sinnoh underground, and Kalos in Glittering Cave. Surely this means with the presence of Old Amber across those locations (including Kanto), it’s native to all of these? And that’s just in-game; in the anime a live one is found in Kanto, a petrified egg is found on Sayda Island (which is counted as being in Kanto), and Goh finds Old Amber near Pewter while excavating looking for fossils. As an extra note, it’s Pokédex entries refer to it as being from prehistoric times in the age of dinosaurs, which if the Pokémon world follows plate tectonics, surely the world would’ve had its own Pokémon Pangaea and Gondwana at some point, it may have been that it’s fossils formed BEFORE the lands split from one another, hence why evidence of its existence is found in multiple locations. Just me being too invested in Aerodactyl I guess 😅 (edit, I paused and commented this before seeing the Aerodactyl section and the infinite requirement, but as this Pokémon is extinct I feel it’s a little tricky to quantify that.)

@BabusGameRoom 4 дня назад

I mentioned in the earlier video that museums are well known for..."acquiring" things from all over the world. So it's possible that it was found in Kanto, but there's no evidence of that. While the Dome and Helix fossils are found in Mt. Moon, the Old Amber isn't actually explicitly found in Kanto, so it could be from anywhere! (including Kanto...but I wanted to dig deeper, haha The anime (and other extended universe stuff like the manga) adds too many variables to consider, so I haven't been looking at that. But either way, there's no ability to send Pokemon from the anime to the games, so it's not like we can get an Old Amber that was found in an Anime area of Kanto! haha But yeah, the world probably looked very different when the Old Amber was originally fossilized. So whether it's fair to assign it a "real region" or not is up for debate. But I put Omanyte and Kabuto in Kanto, so I should be fair to Aerodactyl! haha

@blackheart2728 8 дней назад

I love it when a RU-vidr makes a video correcting themself in a non agressive, clearly humble way. It takes a big person to change their mind, and a bigger person to admit it. I will forever consider Lapras a Johto pokemon, but I agree that the migratory with cave breeding is a realistic approach. Thanks for the vid! Also, did you know, each generation so far has added at least 1 pokemon who's inspiration species is native or naturalized to Australia? 1: Kangaskhan 2: Corsola 3: Pelipper 4: Garchomp 5: Scolipede 6: Carbink 7: Komala 8: Grapploct 9: Spidops I personally count a couple starters as well but this is an easier and non-controversial chunk I think XD

@BabusGameRoom 8 дней назад

haha, thank you so much! I'm not perfect, and I know that I make mistakes. And with a lot of these Pokemon, there are plenty of people who made really compelling arguments. Just because I'm the one that put my arguments into video form doesn't mean my arguments are the best! And with those Australia-inspired Pokemon...I never noticed that! That's really cool! Now I'm hoping for an Australia-based region, too! (but what the heck kind of animal is Carbink based on? haha)

@blackheart2728 8 дней назад

@@BabusGameRoom Carbink looks like a rabbit, of which Australia has a massive problem. It's also a gemstone and Aus has a very famous Opal mine(look up Coober Pedy)

@ChrisLaBenne 7 дней назад

Congrats on the channel growth pal. Good things happen to good creators

@BabusGameRoom 4 дня назад

haha, thank you so much! =D

@chineseman6580 5 дней назад

And because Johto is Kanto. They don’t even have their own league and champion. It’s almost like their a psodu country. Kanto is at least known for its research and has much more status so if something exists in both regions that didn’t explicitly come from Johto then it’s named as from Kanto. Rattata can be native to both regions as species are not defined by human regional borders but the land they can travel to and inhabit. But for simplicities sake saying Kantonian Rattata makes no difference.

@BabusGameRoom 4 дня назад

Those are some great arguments! I don't think we've ever seen such interconnectedness between regions as we saw with Kanto and Johto since Gen 2.

@user-ge7df3us3x 8 часов назад

@@BabusGameRoom This very interconnectedness between Kanto and Jhoto easily explains Eggsecute. It is brought to the safari from a foreign region and then it escapes ad populates the region. That still makes it a Jhoto pokemon by your criteria, but it makes more sense to not actually have originated there. This reveal comes pretty early on, right after Jhoto in fact, so it's not like they pulled this out of nowhere to market Alola. It simply makes sense for a coconut tree to be from the tropics. Remember, the Jhoto games are always chronologically after the Kanto games, so the first time Eggsecute appears in the general area is in the safari zone and only after that do they appear in the wild.

@MiniRunaway 8 дней назад

The player did go to space in the Delta Episode of Pokemon ORAS

@BabusGameRoom 8 дней назад

Wow, I didn't know that! Is it a full dungeon, or just an encounter map?

@MiniRunaway 8 дней назад

@@BabusGameRoom Just an encounter map if I’m understanding correctly. From what I remember, it’s one of the final battles in the post game and involves encountering/capturing Rayquaza at Sky Pillar, riding it into space, and battling Deoxys. It isn’t really an area, more so a cutscene and BOOM! Deoxys. Serebii has a complete breakdown of everything about it including the lead up if you’re interested. Should be able to just search for “Delta Episode” and find it in the first few results.

@puncass 4 дня назад

@@BabusGameRoom Not even an encounter map really. It's a cutscene from the Sky Pillar that leads directly into a battle in space and then returns to the sky pillar after it's over. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-jPqWP_9vxbk.html

@JuanMardson 4 дня назад

Great video!

@BabusGameRoom 2 дня назад

Thank you so much! =D

@warrior3456_ 5 дней назад

I imagine there are a lot of rare pokemon that exist in the areas between routes and towns the places you can't go and are not traveled meaning there can be a small population of foreign or even undiscovered pokemon living happily alone in the wild

@AngryMonkeyGames 4 дня назад

Great followup vid! Excited to see more of these videos! I agree a Guyana region or anywhere in South America would be very cool to see. Though I've been waiting for an Australia region for a while (not from there but there are a lot of neat ideas for Pokemon and environments you can do in Australia). I would say Sevii Islands are close enough to the Kanto Region to count them as part of it so I think Lapras is in fact a Kanto Pokemon but I understand the logic that says otherwise. And I understand why you wouldn't want to be contradicted with this future region fits this Pokemon pretty well like you said with Reflection Cave and Mr Mime though I do think Exeggcute being in Alola makes too much sense for it to not be originally from there. Now for Aerodactyl, Gen 1 sprites for the Old Amber show the mosquito which was retconned in later gens and I know that Kalos' Mega form is the truest form of it (as scholars claim) but I don't think it's too far of a stretch for mosquitos in ancient Sinnoh/Hisui which is based off of Hokkaido to travel south maybe in the winter (I don't know, I'm not a bug expert) travel south a bit to a warmer climate of Kanto and died there? Just a theory I thought of, I could be wrong on a lot of this though.

@BabusGameRoom 2 дня назад

Thank you so much! =D Pokemon really does need to head down to the southern hemisphere, huh? It makes sense that the Sevii Islands would be part of Kanto. I just wish they were in more games than FRLG! haha As for Exeggcute, it does seem like they've retconned it to give it a nice place to be from in Alola. You're right -- I just don't want to open the door for future (potentially unlimited) retcons, and I'd rather focus on normal places where a Pokemon is catchable. It's just more satisfying to me! haha With the mosquito, I'm not sure if they'd live long enough to migrate to other regions, and the Old Amber wasn't ever explicitly found in Kanto (unlike the Dome and Helix fossils). So where the mosquito lived is up for debate, but I'd vote that it originally lived (game release-wise) in either ancient Kalos or ancient Johto (if you want to count the Gen 4 retcon where players could get fossils from Rock Smash).

@AngryMonkeyGames 2 дня назад

@@BabusGameRoom Right I agree with you on the Exeggcute thing because then it's like you're never done. And yeah you brought up a good point that there was only one Old Amber in Kanto so either one mosquito made it that far or maybe the Kanto scientist visited Sinnoh or Kalos and brought back something he found.

@nickdentoom1173 8 дней назад

You can also catch wild Eevee in Lets Go. In reality, Lets Go does more harm or good for the context of this video anyways, since in Lets Go, we don't have a Safari Zone, so we can infinite catch Scyther/Tauros/Dratini/Pinsir as well, as well us having infinite Snorlax in Cerulean Cave and then i haven't even mentioned the exclusive Game Corner mons being catchable, as well as Hitmonchan and Hitmonlee. And then we have the issue of Lets Go also having Mega Evolution, placing Aerodactyl in Kanto instead of Kalos. Yeah, i don't count post-game or DLC for that matter either, else all the fossils are native to Galar (Using your definition), since you can infinite catch them there. However, come to think of it, we should probably not use the term native to a region, but rather use origin for the term instead Like for example - Stantler is native to Johto, since it can be found in the wild there. However, it finds its origin in Hisui, due to Wyrdeer being a thing in Hisui, but not the other regions Its the same for Zigzagoon as well... We have Hoennian and 'Galarian' Zigzagoon. One is native to Hoenn and one to Galar... however... both find their origins in Galar, as the Galarian Zigzagoon is the original Zigzagoon. Going into a technicality, is that we shouldn't refer to Galarian Zigzagoon as Galarian Zigzagoon, since we technically just should call it Zigzagoon, since its the original and we should refer to the Hoenn Zigzagoon as the Hoennian Zigzagoon, since that one is the form.

@BabusGameRoom 6 дней назад

That's definitely true about Let's Go! Thankfully, most of the mons you mentioned have been "resolved" in earlier gens, and I'm going by the release order of games. They only end up coming before Galar, Hisui, and Paldea for now, and MOST Kanto Pokemon have "explanations" by Gen 6, haha I never did look into why Let's Go has Mega Evolution. Other than "Kanto needed something new" lol All the changes they keep adding are why I'm going by release order of the games. To me, having a stopping point is better than leaving things open for Game Freak to change things indefinitely...like retroactively giving us a Hoennian Zigzagoon! haha

@user-wj5xu1wf1n 7 дней назад

Pterodactyls should absolutely have been in feudal Japan, would've been dope

@BabusGameRoom 4 дня назад

Right?! It would've led to the best video games

@CLj0008 7 дней назад

On the topic of Lapras, it’s actually only catchable in a section of the Victory Road in Sinnoh accessible AFTER the National Dex. What’s weird is that the barrier is just a random person blocking it, so it could be argued that it should count as base game. However, many of the pokemon in that section and the areas it leads to are all national dex exclusive and separate from the Sinnoh Dex/Sinnoh natives. Since anything there is technically National Dex exclusive, that would include Lapras. If you choose to look past that, then it would bring Aerodactyl back to Sinnoh since it is also found in base game areas only after receiving the National Dex. This next point is technically regarding the Johto video, but Sinnoh National Dex exclusivity also makes me want to talk about Togepi. Technically, Togepi is catchable in the wild in Sinnoh using the poke radar. The problem with this is that it is in the post game island where the three “areas” exist (Fight, Survival, and Resort). Since this is post game it would seem to not count going by other rules, but I think this island should count as regular Sinnoh. For one, it is always viewable on the Sinnoh Map. It is not in some other section you have to leave the original map from to access, like the Sevii Islands. Second, most characters in game seem to treat it like part of Sinnoh. Barry’s father even works there, while he and his mother live on the mainland. Third, the Sinnoh gym leaders can all be found on a daily basis there for rematches, so it can’t be that distinct or else they’d surely be shirking their gym duties? Overall, I’d argue the Sinnoh postgame islands should count as Sinnoh. This makes Togepi a Sinnoh pokemon. Togepi’s last evolution is also available in Sinnoh games first, so that’s too. That being said, I’m also too tired to think about whether including the Sinnoh postgame messes up any of your other classifications. It definitely could I don’t know

@BabusGameRoom 4 дня назад

Darn. Thanks for the correction on Sinnoh Lapras! I looked at the maps, and they didn't include NPCs. I thought I checked carefully...ahaha I would consider an area being blocked by someone different than something that starts "magically appearing" in existing areas because the player received the National Dex, though. Old Ambers suddenly appearing in Sinnoh feels like magic. Lapras being blocked by a person feels silly, but at least "normal", haha The issue with Togepi in Sinnoh for me isn't the fact that it's post-game, but the fact that it requires the PokeRadar. Using special tech in regular areas to find new Pokemon feels like it's more of a gameplay bonus for beating the game, rather than the actual location of Pokemon. It's in a post-game area regardless, but the PokeRadar's mechanics do stuff that feels like "magic" as I mentioned above. Once things start getting "magical", to me, that feels like gameplay bonus rather than canon stuff. It could be argued either way, though!

@excessrakdos9811 8 дней назад

I love this type of videos.

@BabusGameRoom 8 дней назад

Awesome, I'm glad! =D

@jesusramirezromo2037 8 дней назад

Common misconception, Eggsecute is based on a type of seed, not eggs

@lukejensen1222 8 дней назад

but it only says that in half of its pokédex entries, in the other half it says that they are based on eggs. So it’s pretty inconsistent for sure.

@BabusGameRoom 8 дней назад

Well, Exeggcute's "category" is "Egg Pokemon", so there's that...the closest kind of plant to Exeggcute that I can find seems to be a type of mushroom (which could be a Grass type, but that's very different from coconuts)

@saxor96 8 дней назад

@@BabusGameRoom The meta inspiration is an egg, but it's more "a seed that looks like an egg" kind of deal.

@gnaark1181 8 дней назад

For your criteria of first region being infinitely catchable; wouldn’t that make pretty much all the Pokémon native to Hisui? Since chronologically it happens way before anything else and well…a bunch of pokemon live there already.

@BabusGameRoom 8 дней назад

Oops! I'm going by the release order of the games as much as possible. Doing it that way means that it can't be changed by future games coming out, haha

@doomsdayrabbit4398 6 дней назад

Hisui only has 242 Pokémon in it, and several of them are only there because they made extra sure to have every Pokémon introduced in Gen IV there. Even ones that make no sense to be present in 1868, like Porygon, a Pokémon developed by Silph in 1996 and upgraded to version 2 between 1999 and 2005 (it was a long rollout process), then further upgraded by Team Galactic in 2008. Even the two forms of Sneasel are only both there only because Weavile exists.

@gnaark1181 6 дней назад

@@doomsdayrabbit4398 yeah I was mostly playing devils advocate. Legends Arceus is such a weird game in regards to the time line. But isn’t Porygon only spawning in the space time distortions anyway? So that’d be fine.

@Flirtz420 8 дней назад

The sevi islands are part of Kanto!

@BabusGameRoom 8 дней назад

I see; thank you!

@izme1000 4 дня назад

If your criteria is that the mon must be infinitely catchable, legendaries are from nowhere.

@BabusGameRoom 2 дня назад

While I like rules and criteria, I also like logic! haha I made exceptions for the legendaries and mythicals, especially since some of them are implied to be unique individuals.

@Trilbydood 8 дней назад

In my mind, it makes sense for Exeggcute to be from Johto, but it was only able to evolve into Exeggutor for the first time in Alola

@BabusGameRoom 4 дня назад

Well, it could always evolve into Exeggutor, just not Alolan Exeggutor, haha

@Trilbydood 4 дня назад

@@BabusGameRoom well, in the Kanto and Johto games leaf stones are only available through gifts and purchases, but they're only available through repeatable methods in the kalos games. Soooo 🤔

@assemblyrequired7342 4 дня назад

Definitely worth mentioning when Pokémon are apparently native to more than one region. Kangaskhan and Mr. Mime for example are also native in Kalos, but can be found in the Gen II games and their remakes, while Alolan Rattata and Galarian Mr. Mime are examples of Darwinian/Branching Evolution/mutation. Scyther are apparently native to Alola and Kalos, unless future lore says otherwise. I could go on, but I should have made my point, and included enough interesting examples. Not everything necessarily has to be such a simple one-word answer.

@BabusGameRoom 2 дня назад

For the purposes of this list, I'm just placing them based on where they first meet the criteria (by the games' release dates). Where the Pokemon are natively caught at all would be another list entirely!

@assemblyrequired7342 2 дня назад

@@BabusGameRoom I do appreciate when you went out of your way to mention other examples however, such as Rattata apparently being native to Johto, even though they were first introduced in Kanto.

@cinnasauria 3 дня назад

An egg doesn't necessarily need to be rotten to float, a fertile egg that contains a live embryo can too! It just depends on the age of the egg either way. An air pocket gradually forms as all the membranes and goop inside cool and settle down. The egg floats once this air cell is big enough, and it'll still float with a baby inside 'cuz animals are naturally buoyant unless adapted otherwise. So, having the physical properties of an egg doesn't preclude a living Exeggcute from floating! ;p Being all cracked probably does, though. Maybe they got scuffed up along the way?? Anyway, these videos are great and I love seeing feedback like this taken into account! Gives the impression that you're curious and enjoying everyone sharing ideas and contributing to the conversation. Fun to see your thoughts on this stuff!

@cinnasauria 3 дня назад

Also, I apologise, but I can't help it: I know some of the Pokedex entries call Aerodactyl a dinosaur, but pterosaurs aren't dinosaurs :p they were dinos' closest relatives, though! I'd also definitely still hold by my idea of it being from Kalos rather than Sinnoh even by your basic criteria, completely disregarding the Mega Evolution stuff, just because yeah, being findable in Glittering Cave right away feels more natural than "wait until the postgame and then you can find it underground." In fact, the Old Amber specifically is findable in both X and Y the first time you can access that part of the cave, unlike all the other fossils, which only appear after you've beaten the League. Even the Jaw + Sail fossils are a one-time gift. Really fun to see you agreed and went over both points in this update.

@BabusGameRoom 12 часов назад

Oh, that's interesting! I didn't know fertilized eggs float! Though, are Exeggcute seeds ever fertilized? Since they...come from eggs themselves. Sometimes? lol Thank you so much for your kind words! =D I definitely am curious and always willing to learn. Like how I learned (or, re-learned?) that pterodactyls aren't dinosaurs! But if the Pokedex says Aerodactyl is a dinosaur, then it must be canon, right??! ahaha

@korynski 5 дней назад

Nice video!

@BabusGameRoom 4 дня назад

Thank you so much! =D

@mehodrums 8 дней назад

I think I’d personally place the Sevi Islands as apart of the Kanto region, since they’re accessible from Kanto. Makes most sense to me than giving it a separate region 🤷‍♂️ Love the content!

@BabusGameRoom 6 дней назад

Thanks so much! =D That would make sense! Though Johto and Kanto are accessible from one another, but are different regions. And I think someone said that the post-game Gen 5 area isn't part of Unova, but I might be mistaken...still though, Sevii Islands as part of Kanto makes sense to me!

@garchompy_1561 2 дня назад

I believe there was an episode of the anime of pokemon from 5th gen that featured some strange time travel thing going on? and the cast ended up back in time with the prehistoric pokemon tirtuga and archeops; it may also have included some aerodactyl in the background, might be worth a watch, also depends on how much you want to trust the anime for its cannon vs the games Assuming the biology and geology of pokemon parallel real life, it may be a fruitless endevour to try and pin down the origin of aerodactyl specifically. Along with the possible pangea-like continent you mention, pterosaurs in real life (especially the larger winged ones like aerodactyl seems to be) had *enormous* ranges, migrading thousands to TENS OF THOUSANDS of miles, much like modern migratory birds (I believe the current longest migratory bird range is around 60,000 miles?). Even accounting for the possibility that the regions used to be closer together, its still likely that aerodactyl lived its life flying between the equivilent of madagascar and alaska and everywhere in-between. And because of this constant movement of teh whole species, its evolution also becomes hard to pin down, as unlike say "cows originated in europe and were sent to other parts of the world", you cant pin down a single place these came from since before it was aerodactyl it was still in a bunch of regions moving across them all. hey that being said want to try a speculative tree of life featuring the "macro evolution" (hate that phrase, creationists use it to say evolution in real life cant happen, anyway) of some pokemon from one to another? just remember to not fall in the trap of things looking similar means they must be related, convergent evolution exists haha.

@BabusGameRoom 9 часов назад

Oh, interesting! I've been focusing on the game canon exclusively for these videos, but that's good to know those species' timelines line up in the anime's canon! It makes sense that Aerodactyl would have huge ranges. So even if the mosquito that got trapped in the Old Amber had a short range, that doesn't mean that Aerodactyl didn't also live elsewhere. It just means it's harder to "prove". But great point in the parallels to real world pterodactyls...it'd be hard to track down a "single place" for their origins because their world was so different to ours. As for a "macro evolution" video, I'm not completely opposed to it, but I have virtually no background in animal biology, ecology, or archaeology, so I don't know if I'd be better than anyone else saying "These look alike and share similarities, so they're related by macro evolution!!!" ahaha

@AdeptCharon 8 дней назад

Even if Union Cave Lapras is technically infinitely obtainable, the mechanic of it showing up "every friday" is clearly playing into the idea of it traveling a lot, which in my mind makes this encounter at most evidence for it being a frequent "visitor" of the Johto region rather than coming from it. I like the thought of it being from the Sevii islands, as it makes sense in a lot of ways; - those being an archipelago of islands spread out across bigger distances; the perfect environment for Lapras; - while also being close enough to Johto to explain its Union Cave visits; - and even though I normally don't like anime connections as evidence, the instrumental role of a Lapras as the "Transport Pokémon" in the entire Orange island season (likely a major inspiration for the Sevii islands as an addition in the first place), makes it feel perfect But at the same time, the Sevii islands being an addition specific to a remake, makes them feel less strongly canon than if it was a location we had reasons to think existed in the world of an original main game. So I think it's worth contemplating the next potential places on the list: Its appearance in the Sinnoh victory road is post-game exclusive, so I'm not sure that should count, as post-games often expand the fauna drastically as more of a game feature. Village Bridge in Unova faces a similar issue. The Azure Bay in Kalos however, not only has Lapras available as a normal wild encounter, within the initial adventure part of the game and the regional Pokedex, you're also gifted one right there from an NPC, and to highlight its presence further, you can even get a photo taken exclusively at this photo spot while on the back of Lapras! On Azure Bay, Lapras feels the most at home it's ever felt. It's not just hiding in some specifically cold cave ocassionally, it's not just a stop on its routes, it's out in the open water, being true to its nature.

@BabusGameRoom 4 дня назад

I agree, Lapras does seem like a "frequent visitor" rather than a regular wild encounter in Johto. If Lapras were available all over the Sevii Islands, I'd be inclined to agree about those as well. However, it's not found in the waters around the islands, it's specifically in a cave (and at a 1% encounter rate to boot). That causes me to lean towards the idea that it's migrating through there too, just like it did in Johto. (Also consider that FRLG didn't have a day of the week mechanic...or did they? lol Otherwise, Lapras may have been given the same treatment as it got in Johto). I didn't realize that the Sinnoh appearance was also post-game exclusive, though! Oops! I'm normally counting post-game areas if it's in a fairly normal area (e.g., part of the region, no special technology, no space/time weirdness, etc)...but still. Funny how Kalos could potentially end up getting another Gen 1 Pokemon though! Great find! =D

@AdeptCharon 4 дня назад

@@BabusGameRoom yeah, the post-game portion of Sinnoh's victory road is kinda sneaky in this context lol

@AdeptCharon 4 дня назад

it would have been amazing if the Icefall Cave had a "Tuesday Lapras" spawn or something... we could be speculating what other days it spends where

@dylanium5755 8 дней назад

I agree on most of this, but that "Johto criteria" won't hold up in later gens, since Yungoos is from another region (maybe Paldea) brought to Alola, and Copperajah is from an as yet untold region

@BabusGameRoom 6 дней назад

Yeah, I'll definitely be making exceptions for when the dex entries mention that they're explicitly non-native. There are some catches, though...I'll probably miss some, and I don't know if many (any?) of them actually get resolved! haha

@cinnasauria 3 дня назад

Ooh, one more comment: There's a fun almost-exception to the "rumours stated are true" rule, specifically regarding the Paradox Pokemon from Scarlet and Violet. Their Pokedex entries reference Occulture Magazine, which you can read in the library. It says things like "Iron Bundle is believed to have been created by an ancient civilisation," but I think you're meant to question the validity of these theories. Some NPC dialogue mentions how dubious the magazine is, and it seems to be based on real-world tabloids with sensational headlines about UFOs and cryptid sightings. It's almost an exception because these are probably just silly baseless rumours after all, maybe even made up by the magazine's writers, but not actually an exception if you take that NPC at their word and believe the rumour that it's not a trustworthy source.

@BabusGameRoom 12 часов назад

Great point on the Paradox Pokemon rumours not always being true! In the case of Iron Bundle though, the rumour was kind of true but backwards...and Japan does love its technologically-advanced societies from ancient times (Laputa and the one from Chrono Trigger come to mind for me as quick examples). Still, definitely a great example of a rumour in a video game not always being true...and a Pokemon game, to boot!

@cbg1609 8 дней назад

That Monty Python reference earned you a sub, good sir!!!

@BabusGameRoom 4 дня назад

ahaha, thank you! =D

@Crow_Rising 7 дней назад

Lorewise Arceus is the Pokemon god and Mew is the first Pokemon made by it. It doesn't ever really get mentioned where the creation of Mew took place however, and the Faraway Island could simply just be where it decided to make its home. It could be that Mew was created in space, but I don't really buy it. Any space connections to Mew are subtle and not alluded to very often, so it's probably not something GF is trying to hint towards. Another possible hint is Mt. Silver however. In the original games, Red and Green/Blue were tasked by Professor Oak to find and collect all 151 Pokemon in the Kanto Pokedex. If we take the Pokemon Origins anime into consideration, it seems as though Red was successful at catching 150 Pokemon including Mewtwo, but not Mew. He then goes on a journey in search of this final missing 151st Pokemon to complete his collection. He's someone who has read the research journals and such, and yet instead of being found at Faraway Island the next place Red appears chronologically is actually Mt. Silver in the Gen 2 games. It's entirely possible he could have just come to this extreme environment to train up his team before heading off somewhere else, but I still think it's worth considering that after everything Red learned about Mew and where it was originally found, he still chose Mt. Silver as his next destination. There's something fitting about this too, as Mt. Silver is neutral territory between Kanto and Johto. It would make sense for the very first Pokemon to be from neutral territory, rather than any one region being able to claim it.

@BabusGameRoom 4 дня назад

This is why I'm not a huge fan of where Gen 4 started taking the lore and story of the games, ahaha Maybe if Arceus is the creator of everything, and Mew is the genetic ancestor to all Pokemon, Arceus created Mew before it itself was created. Or it created Mew in the past to retroactively create itself. I do like your hypothesis about Mt. Silver, though! It's plausible that Red's journey for Mew could've led him there. I'd imagine that could've been a possible location for Mew to have run off to, rather than the place where Mew is "from". Since Mew would've had to escape from the experiments in Cinnabar Lab/Mansion and go *somewhere*. But wait, maybe it was just DNA that was recovered, and not a live specimen...

@diegotimon4570 6 дней назад

14:11 The Sinnoh Victory Road part we're Lapras can be found is postgame only, being blocked before you beat the league

@BabusGameRoom 4 дня назад

Oops. I even checked the maps, but the maps didn't show NPCs who block the routes...ahaha

@KichiMiangra 6 дней назад

Ngl your statement in the previous video about the Kanto fossil pokemon (and insinuating pterodactyls existed in feudal japan)(God I wish American cowboys road ceratopsians...) lead me down a mini rabbit hole of scouring through all the fossil pokemon pokedex entries while trying to make an ancient world timeline and I learned a ton of fun little tidbits that I feel like randomly sharing! Assuming the pokedex entries are accurate and not just bullshit (*side eyeing the Bone Wars fossils and how all their entries should just say "Whoopsie"*) I think Kabuto is an interesting one, because while KABUTOPS went extinct KABUTO can still be found in the wild in, I think it was Alola? Referencing that horseshoe crabs are still a thing. One of Kabutops entries state that it STARTED evolving to live on land but didn't evolve fast enough and died out. This is actually interesting because it shows an environment where the only reason Kabutops went extinct is simply because evolving was seen as more of a detriment to the Kabuto and it's survivability became better when staying the same. Omanyte ALSO exists in the wild in a later Gen but it's dex entry states these escaped from a lab and are an invasive species. Omanyte eventually evolves into Omastar who's biggest weakness is dying out when it's shell grows to heavy to allow it the required speed to catch food. Unlike Kabuto deciding evolution was a detriment, Omanyte/Omastar slowly evolved into the modern Octillery, which makes sense that when the shell became less useful, due to slowing down the omastar preventing hunting but ALSO by this point Tirtouga and Carracosta are roaming the primordial sea (and can bite through a steel girder so that shell ain't saving you) the mobility and ability to squeeze into the tiniest of crevices to avoid that terrifying turtle makes a lot of sense! Shellder was also fed upon by Omanyte/Omastar thus making it a living fossil technically as it has existed unchanged since the primordial sea 300 Million Years ago! The age of dinosaur pokemon chilling about started 100million years ago and lileep and Cradily died out right around the start of the dinosaur era.

@BabusGameRoom 4 дня назад

Thank you for sharing these tidbits! =D That's really interesting about Kabuto. I also like fossils coming back. It tells us where they are now, not as much about where they used to be...but it would definitely give us insight as to what their habitats would've been like back then! Is it actually canon that Omanyte evolved (real-world style, not Pokemon style) into Octillery? That's really cool if they mention that anywhere! Also really liking the idea that the Tirtouga line drove the Omanyte line to extinction. Well, loving it from a hypothetical perspective...thinking about it is a bit sad! lol And that's cool about Shellder! Where's that bit of information from? =o I'm actually surprised that you were able to piece this much together. It normally doesn't seem like Game Freak did their homework for this kind of stuff, ahaha

@KichiMiangra 4 дня назад

@BabusGameRoom Citing my Sources: -Omastar's Ultra Sun pokedex entry claims it to be a distant ancestor of Octillery, meaning pokemon don't just Poke-Evolve but there's also a degree of Darwinian evolution within the pokemon world! :D Considering multiple Pokedex entries claim it went extinct when it's shell grew too big to move freely it makes sense hiding would be a better defense when your getting eaten by... everybody... as octopuses can squeeze into anything their little beaky mouth can fit in! -It's mentioned that Omastar preyed on Shellder in it's Gold/Heartgold and Stadium dex entries! -Carracosta has multiple pokedex entries claiming it not only has a bite force strong enough to cut through steel beams, as well as multiple entries that say it eats it's food whole unbothered by shell and bone, Ultra Sun's entry specifcally mentions it preyed on Omastar and Omanyte! -Archeops also apparently preyed on Omanyte according to Ultra Sun.(Though no mention of Omastar) (These poor guys getting eaten...) -Bonus fun fact: Between Aerodactyl, Tyrantrum, and Carracosta I am not surprised the majority of the Age of Dinosaur pokemon are heavily armored. All of them have entries that set them up as being able to tear through metal. -I like that Ultra Sun claims Tyrantrum can't be completely restored, as it sets up, along with Mega Aerodactyl, that aside from Kabuto who is not extinct and has not changed, all the fossil pokemon have the chance of not looking how they should have. I absolutely love natural history and paleontology specifically so it was fun swinging all these entries together. It's sad that most pokedex entries are just repeating the same two or three fact (Ultra Sun had some fun new entries) when it would be a great opportunity to add new fun facts! With how Legends Arceus was willing to do a time travel story I'm not going to lie I would love a whole Legends side game that is a time travel to the Age of Dinosaurs or the Primordial Sea (As the pokedex calls those eras) where all the pokemon are Fossil Pokemon, Pokemon that evolve with Ancient Power, and living Fossils like Relicanth or Shellder! Or even just new regional variants that are ancient versions of their modern counterparts..... and maybe unscramble versions of the Sword and Shield pokemon...? because those poor things are 4 fully realized fossils waiting to happen D: (They put poor Arctovish's Dunkleosteus head on upsidown!!!)

@leslie8877 3 дня назад

Exeggcute aren’t eggs though. They’re plant seeds. The pokedex explicitly states so. So basing their buoyancy on real-life eggs doesn’t make much sense. It makes more sense to just treat them as coconuts in this regard, since the pokedex also states that a head that falls off an Exeggutor becomes a new Exeggcute, similar to how coconut trees propagate.

@BabusGameRoom 2 дня назад

They're seeds, but they're based on eggs. One of the broken ones even has exposed "yolk"! haha Now you've got me wondering what an Exeggcute feels like...ahaha

@BluePhoenix_ 6 дней назад

I get your reasoning, but what about Pokemon like Copperajah? It replaced the reference to an "Indian Elefant" in the Pokedex. So it should definitely be from a future Indua based region.

@BabusGameRoom 4 дня назад

That's a great point! When a Pokemon is introduced that way, it definitely holds more weight. Yungoos is explicitly an invasive species to Alola, so I'll be taking that into consideration. Something like Exeggcute was retconned, which isn't as relevant to me. If you open yourself up to retcons, you end up with a list that would never have a true "answer". It'd probably just come down to finding the closest real-world counterpart and saying nearly *every* Pokemon comes from a future region based off of the real world region, haha

@eugenetan6612 6 дней назад

I'll be honest, I'm not terribly big on the criteria listed out, as opposed to discussing where a pokemon is ecologically/geographically from. While I understand wanting a critia that would allow you to settle on something definitive, personally it's simply not as satisfying than trying to map pokemon by looking at their irl inspirations, lore and dex entries. To me, anyways. Not to say the conclusions you've reached and the videos aren't interesting, just that they're using a methodology that I wouldn't have gone with, it wasn't made clear previously be it by video title or explanation, and will bring up some weird edge cases eventually. (As a side note, maybe it would help the flow of the video and overall clarity if you stated your baseline assumptions at the start, as well how you'll treat evidence from game to game? Food for thought.) Also some things I think worth bringing up: - I think its limiting to consider Surf as the main criteria as to whether a pokemon can traverse water (whether by floating, active swimming, etc) or not. Some similar logic applies with Fly. Going by this, Marikarp cannot swim, and Gligar cannot fly. The important part about Surf as a field move is the ability to _ferry a person_ by the pokemon, not an indication if a pokemon can swim or not. - There can be multiple aspects to pokemon designs. Is there any reason that Exeggcute can't be both seeds and eggs? Sure, they resemble eggs superficially and their name includes the word "eggs", but the fact they are a grass type (synonymous with plants), and evolve into a tree even in Gen I would indicate to me that they're seeds of some sort as well. That's more or less what I have to say for this vid that other commenters haven't already said. Despite my personal hangups, its still an entertaining watch. Looking forward to the Gen 3 vid.

@BabusGameRoom 4 дня назад

I definitely get where you're coming from! Honestly, I figured the "real-world counterpart" thing had already been done to death (not that I really went searching for it), but it's also pretty outside of my area of expertise. Ecology, biology, taxonomy? Nah. Things inside video games? YEAHHH!!! haha Thank you as well for the advice. I think it'd be a good idea to remind viewers of the criteria at the beginning. When I made the second video in this series, the first one only had a few thousand views, I think, and as such a very small audience. So it was written under the assumption that it'd be viewed by the same handful of people who watched the first one and wanted me to "dig deeper". That's not quite the case anymore, and I agree that being upfront would probably be helpful! =D As for Surf, it was mostly a joke -- but I could get behind Magikarp not being able to swim or Gligar not being able to fly. Gligar GLIDES, and Magikarp is too weak to fight against currents...so it just floats around wherever the water takes it unless it evolves, haha (but to be fair, I did mention that Exeggcute really only needs to *float* on water) And Exeggcute is definitely supposed to *be* seeds, but its design is visually (and nominally) based on eggs. The various Pokedex entries describe them as having qualities of both eggs and seeds...I just thought it was common knowledge that they're biologically seeds (and I had probably a dozen comments in the last video saying "but exeggcute are seeds"), so I took that part for granted and just said the "but they're also eggs" part, haha Thanks for your comment, and I'm glad you're looking forward to Gen 3! =D

@1stCallipostle 4 дня назад

The timeline probably causes some interesting implications though. Chronologically, Exeggcute's recording in the Hoenn dex would happen before the Johto games do, because supposedly Kanto/Hoenn happen at the same time... Wouldn't that make it being from the tropics supercede where we first technically see it? Yes, retcons are opinion, but I feel like in current canon that's the case

@BabusGameRoom 2 дня назад

Chronologically by game canon, but my preference is to go by the games' release date as much as possible. I've also had others suggest that parts of Johto could be considered tropical if we're going by real-world parallels. But I'm not entirely convinced yet that it isn't just marketing fluff, haha

@Sanicfan9192 7 дней назад

Oh, really? I was exploring random caves in crystal yesterday and found that lapras, and I’d never seen it before.

@BabusGameRoom 4 дня назад

Wow, that's an awesome coincidence! You picked the right day to go there!

@Catalano25 8 дней назад

Kudos on the European vs African joke. A real one

@BabusGameRoom 4 дня назад

Can't believe I missed the opportunity the first time around! haha

@costby1105 8 дней назад

Alolan Exeggutor was probably at leas partialy inspired by the booster box. Also Pokemon Home refers to the original variant as just the species name, Ie Alolan Meowth and Galarian Meowth are referred to as Alola Form and Galar form while regular Meowth is just Meowth. I don't think the more common forms are referred to as Kantonian/Hoenn/Unovan/Kalos Pokemon normally. Also a few regional Variants are stated to be the original in universe. Galarian Zigzagoon is stated to be the oldest known form and Alolan Exeggutor is theorized to be the original.

@BabusGameRoom 6 дней назад

Yeah, someone drew something interesting for fun, and someone later saw it and said "Let's make it real", haha Good point on the naming conventions. But it's weird that Galarian Zigzagoon would be "the original" but also a "Galarian Form". You'd think the original would just be "Zigzagoon" and then we'd have "Hoennian Zigzagoon" or something. Game Freak does NOT make this easy for us! haha

@costby1105 6 дней назад

@@BabusGameRoom Proably in universe the hoenn Zigzagoon would be the common variant. I'd imagine that in universe it was assumed that regular Zigzagoon was assumed to be the original until genetic evidence or fossil record proved other wise. Also across the entire switch libray of pokemon games don't add any reference to form on the first debut variants like they do with regoinal variants and pokemon with named forms like Oricorio and Basculin.

@ailingstar8856 4 дня назад

Someone's probably commented this but I'm pretty sure Let's Go takes place before Gen 2. I think it's explicitly mentioned that Gen 2 takes place 3 years after Gen 1 while Let's Go only takes place 2 years after? But more importantly, Cinnabar Island is still intact in Let's Go, while in Gen 2 it had been devastated by a volcanoc eruption. Besides, levels are just not consistent chronologically in Pokemon games. Eagun's Pikachu is level 50 in Pokemon Colosseum, but level 12 when you first face him in Pokemon XD Gale of Darkness which takes place 5 years later. Also, IMO post-game content should only be excluded from consideration if the pokemon is added in, rather than just not being able to get to the area, so I say Sevii for Lapras. If you are excluding any post-game content though, the part of the Sinnoh Victory Road where you find Lapras is only accessible in the post game.

@BabusGameRoom 3 дня назад

Oh, does Let's Go really only take place 2 years after the regular Kanto story? Hm. I guess Team Rocket tries again, then after getting beaten by a younger kid who never even battles wild Pokemon, that's why he decides to disband Team Rocket before the events of the Johto story? haha In Pokemon XD, I'd just have assumed that he got a new Pikachu, haha...a 38 level drop is significant! As for the post-game stuff, I think it's usually fine if the area is blocked as you mentioned. Some commenters have suggested that they'd be even stricter with some of the criteria though, so I wanted to toss Victory Road out there...not realizing that the map I used left out NPCs which would've shown me that the area is blocked by default! Oops...haha

@TheLeviathan1293 3 дня назад

It's usually hard to know about okemon that can fly, because they can emigrate a lot.

@BabusGameRoom 2 дня назад

Definitely! Though without any idea of what seasons are in the games, it can be hard to be certain about even that!

@Auke1993 6 дней назад

Lapras is indeed catchable in Victory Road in Sinnoh, but the specific areas of Victory Road where it is only open up after beating the main game, hence making it a post-game Pokémon, just in a non-Post game area. Sort of. I do agree Lapras is not native to a region, but the ocean instead. That's a good way of thinking about it I believe.

@BabusGameRoom 4 дня назад

Oops! I even looked at the maps to make sure, but apparently, it's blocked by an NPC...who don't show up on the maps I looked at! ahaha

@Auke1993 4 дня назад

@@BabusGameRoom Yeah, that makes sense. I believe the post-game area is where you partner with Marley.

@jaernihiltheus7817 7 дней назад

Let me just pre-emptively apologize lol.... Mew is not native to Faraway Island, explicitly. On the island, you find a signpost written by Dr. Fuji explaining (in smudged writing) that he brought the Mew there to Faraway Island so that it could be left alone. Given the whole Mewtwo context, the Mew you find in the Emerald event is likely the same Mew that was found in Guyana and brought to Cinnabar so that Fuji could make Mewtwo.

@BabusGameRoom 4 дня назад

That's fair! It could have tried to escape back home to Guyana though, and since Guyana does have some islands, that's a good enough story for me! haha And no need to apologize -- corrections and disagreements (even the rude ones (and yours isn't rude at all!)) are why I was able to make this video in the first place! =D

@wootmasterzorsx 6 дней назад

One thing I considered after watching this video was the specific Dex entries about Exeggcute being from a Tropical region, and as it turns out- Johto and Alola both fit this criteria, to the best of my understanding. Johto, according to what I found on Bulbapedia, is closely related to the Kansai region in real life Japan, which seems tropical from my research. And Alola, based on Hawaii, is obviously a Tropical region. Now, I believe I previously suggested it was up in the air for whichever region is more accurately the native home to Exeggcute. And this doesn’t super lend evidence to either side. I just thought it would be interesting to see how the real world Japan climate helped or hurt the Ruby/Sapphire Dex entry and gave a more definitive answer on that front. But it didn’t, lol.

@BabusGameRoom 4 дня назад

Oh man, is Johto/Kansai actually tropical?! A quick search suggests they have some "tropical islands", but I'm wondering if that's a translation issue, haha I could see Hoenn being considered tropical, but maybe the Exeggcute are really from Johto, and have just headed to the mainland from their habitat on the tropical island off the Johto map...for whatever reason! ahaha

@wootmasterzorsx 4 дня назад

@@BabusGameRoom I couldn’t get a definitive answer, but what I did see suggested tropical/subtropical or something. It at least puts Johto in the conversation.

@jnzooger 8 дней назад

Exeggcute isn’t eggs. It’s seeds. The Pokédex says so.

@BabusGameRoom 6 дней назад

They are functionally seeds, but in form they clearly resemble eggs. They've got cracks like egg shells, and some of them even have yolks! =o

@ariesstorm9577 5 дней назад

Tauros. Given that Tauros is only available in the safari zone in kanto, it is likely to be native to either Johto (found on the same route as wild Miltank) or Sinnoh. Scyther. Scyther is only found in the wild in Sinnoh (Diamond and Platinum), meaning that it is not really either a Kanto or Johto Pokemon. Except it is, but only in LGPE, perhaps another Pokemon that escaped the safari zone and nested in neighbouring routes once the safari zone shut down. Kalos is also another potential region, since it isn’t a version exclusive in those games. Pinsir. Pinsir is the same as Scyther except that it is found as a non-game exclusive in Unova, in the first B/W games (but it is game exclusive in sequels, only being obtainable in W2). So could Pinsir originally be a Unova Pokemon that was distributed to safari zones and the national park in other regions?

@BabusGameRoom 4 дня назад

I agree with you on Tauros! (you might want to check out the previous video; "WHERE are the Non-Kanto Gen 1 Pokemon from?" (titled similarly, but not identically, to this one)) As for Scyther and Pinsir, I ended up assigning them to Sinnoh because being version exclusive was good enough for me, haha Does that post-game part of Unova count as part of Unova, though? I've had some commenters say it doesn't count as Unova...hmm

@ariesstorm9577 4 дня назад

@@BabusGameRoom ah I didn’t realise it was post game Unova, if that’s the case then yeah Sinnoh does make so much more sense

@megarayquaza2240 8 дней назад

Exeggcute are seeds. They look like eggs but aren't eggs

@BabusGameRoom 8 дней назад

They're definitely seeds, but they *look* like eggs! (they even have cracks, and one has an exposed "yolk" in the official artwork! haha)

@chrischristiansen6204 4 дня назад

Regarding the starters and their non availabliity in the wild. Paired with a line from one of the anime episodes saying one of the starters (dont recall gen or species) saying it came from a special breeder. Paired with the gender distribution they may be species that have some kind of conservation, restricted, protected or endangered to some degree.

@BabusGameRoom 2 дня назад

A lot of people like the idea that they're bred to be starter Pokemon, whether as a conservation effort or something else. Gotta' admit the idea is growing on me, too!

@kittyshippercavegirl 8 дней назад

technically you do go to space in the Delta Episode of OR/AS but I definitely don't think that counts as a region, it's literally a cutscene and one encounter. Spacemon would be awesome, I'm sure there's a fangame about that somewhere. I would personally put the Sevii islands as part of Kanto but that's entirely based on the fact they're only really in FR/LG. in terms of timeline there's an argument for the Let's Go games being at the same time as OG R/B/Y but in another timeline. since mega evolutions are only found in Kalos, OR/AS Hoenn and Let's Go Kanto (excluding their postgame appearance in Su/Mo, since that seems to be the established precedent for this series) and Mega Stones in lore (I believe? it's been a while since I played X/Y) are the result of the whole superweapon thing in X/Y's lore (iirc there's also some stuff in OR/AS postgame that references a potential Hoenn where this event didn't happen and mega evolution was never a thing, referencing the OG Hoenn games, but postgame is postgame). You could use this to put Let's Go Kanto and OG Kanto as different regions based on alternate universes, the one where AZ built the superweapon thingy and Mega Evolution is possible, and the one where he didn't. I realise that OR/AS could be the only one that's an alternate universe and Mega Evolution / the superweapon in Kalos is canon in the main timeline, and also adding alternate timelines to this opens a whole can of worms regarding remakes in general, but I believe OR/AS postgame is the only time it's directly referenced that this is a possibility in game. Sorry for the long comment that isn't formatted and full of half remembered information, I'm very tired.

@BabusGameRoom 4 дня назад

I actually didn't know that about ORAS! But you're right, it doesn't feel anything like a region if it's just a cutscene and an encounter, haha Great points about the other games, as well! I guess Legends: Z-A will tell us more about that superweapon thing. But I don't know if I want to start counting "multiple universes", since that just feels like an easy answer to everything, ahaha

@cactuskur 4 дня назад

LEGENDS DEOXYS WILL TAKE PLACE IN A HUGE TERRARIUM ON THE MOON AND YOU GET TO GO AROUND IN A SPACE SUIT THE STARTERS WILL BE scorbunny (moon bunny), Turtwig(Torterra based on the earth or the terrarium), Squirtle (Blastoise as an Defense Cannon)

@BabusGameRoom 3 дня назад

Those forms are cool! I'd really like to see some brand new space mons though. But I really like that Terrarium Torterra idea! haha Torterrium!

@PrincessAmanda2290 8 дней назад

Let’s go eevee actually takes place in an Alternate Universe and all Universes are connected through ultra wormholes?

@BabusGameRoom 8 дней назад

It *is* quite radically different from every other Pokemon game! haha

@chineseman6580 5 дней назад

Why would post game not count if it’s just in an area inaccessible due to where you are in the story? Also the Sevii Islands are a part of Kanto. Kanto is based off of Tokyo and by extension since Tokyo has similar islands in real life that’s what the Sevii Islands are based off of. The Islands near Tokyo are not separate, if you live their you legally live in Tokyo, despite being in countryside and not the big big city.

@BabusGameRoom 4 дня назад

I did assign Lapras to the oceans in general in the end. I like to leave the door open for people who would come to different conclusions. Some may want to ignore post-game stuff, some may want to ignore overworld encounters. I've even had some people say that version exclusives shouldn't count! haha I didn't know Tokyo had many islands in the real world, so that definitely supports the idea that the Sevii Islands are part of Kanto!

@pentagonyx 8 дней назад

I love these videos

@pentagonyx 8 дней назад

...I then proceeded to write an essay on it in another comment. Okay buddy pentagonyx

@BabusGameRoom 8 дней назад

ahaha, thank you so much! I'm glad you're having as much fun thinking about this stuff as I am! =D

@KrymsonScale 8 дней назад

The whole Infinitely catchable rule fails as a valid way to measure a pokemon's origin, lore wise, because of the devs arbitrarily making some pokemon rare or accessible in games at random whims. The pokedex region classifications boxes make sense for the most part oddities like Exeggcute are solved by arbitrary rarity and pokemon being native to more than one region.

@BabusGameRoom 4 дня назад

Definitely, but I'm not really considering the overall lore -- my main focus is the games!

@KrymsonScale 3 дня назад

@@BabusGameRoom It's a very interesting perspective even it's alien to me. Will check out the rest of your videos. Love the attention to detail and the community that this brings even if I don't quite get it!

@rafilosofo 7 дней назад

After your first video I was playing yellow and notice something about Snorlax. If you dont catch and just defeat it, you got a msg "Snorlax returned to the montains". I get that you need a criteria and your is about the mon beeing infinitly avaiable. But what the game is saying is that the Snorlax is native but it lives in a place that is not accessible to the player.

@BabusGameRoom 4 дня назад

You're right! I am only considering areas that are available to the player, since for my purposes, Kanto is generally "the part of Kanto that's available to the player". I'm looking at it from a game perspective as much as possible, and prioritizing game mechanics over game lore at that. Of course, others have suggested that Snorlax's return to the mountains indicates that it walks all the way back to Sinnoh after being beaten up! haha

@caylinjohnson6453 8 дней назад

France and Germany are basically brothers who feud heavily so fair comparison

@BabusGameRoom 4 дня назад

What of the English?! haha

@caylinjohnson6453 4 дня назад

@@BabusGameRoom it’s Frances bastard child I mean half the kings spoke French 🤷🏽‍♂️

@HeroicJay 8 дней назад

I'm pretty sure the games only ever use "Kantonian" to refer to _individuals_ , not to forms! As far as I'm aware, they *NEVER* refer to "Kantonian Rattata", *EVER* . Certainly not in the Pokedex. Only "Kantonian Meowth" - referring to the one owned by the Sun/Moon mom - and "Kantonian Mr. Mime" - referring to one that you can trade for.

@BabusGameRoom 8 дней назад

Hmmmm...that's a good point. So we don't have a "Kantonian form", but we have a "Galarian form". But a Pokemon can be described as "Kantonian" if it's from Kanto... I'll admit that my argument isn't conclusive, but until we see a Johtonian Rattata (or similar), I don't think I'll be swayed just yet, haha

@nickdentoom1173 8 дней назад

I mean... we need to look at the lore of the Pokemon to classify them as Kantonian Forms or not. Like, while Galarian Zigzagoon is classified as a 'Galarian', technically it shouldn't be 'Galarian', since the 'Galarian' Zigzagoon is the original Zigzagoon. So that should just be called Zigzagoon, while the Hoenn Zigzagoon should be called the 'Hoennian' form instead.

@oucyan 8 дней назад

Putting Exeggcute in Johto breaks your own rule then. the different Exeggutors are Alolan and Kantonian.

@BabusGameRoom 8 дней назад

I'm not sure which rule it breaks -- Exeggcute are first catchable in normal areas in Johto. In a previous video, I explained why I think the Safari Zone isn't a normal area (basically, it seems like the Pokemon were imported there to show off, kind of like an interactive zoo)

@CraftsmanOfAwsomenes 8 дней назад

Wait, why would you move Starmie and Clefairy if they became native to a space region in openly stated lore in the future? Based on your own criteria they would be infinitely catchable first in Kanto and so Kanto would have to be where they were native to regardless.

@BabusGameRoom 6 дней назад

You're definitely right! Though there are cases where a Pokemon is explicitly stated in their introductory game that they aren't from the region they're introduced in. Corphish and Yungoos come to mind, both of which I believe are like invasive species, even though they were introduced in the gens/regions that came with those dex entires and lore. It's possible that Starmie and Clefairy could be arguably invasive/introduced species given those bits of lore in the Gen 1 games. If it wasn't for that, then I'd definitely be keeping them in Kanto no matter what new games say. ...but what are the odds that a mainline game would have a space region? haha

@doomsdayrabbit4398 6 дней назад

@@BabusGameRoomFire Emblem considered taking the series to Mars at some point.

@1stCallipostle 4 дня назад

@@doomsdayrabbit4398 If we wanna be technical, FE1 is on Mars. He's the main Lord after all.

@doomsdayrabbit4398 4 дня назад

@@1stCallipostle But Maaaaars...

@terrysyvertson9205 8 дней назад

the sevvi islands are meant to be the game counterpart to the anime exclusive orange islands

@BabusGameRoom 8 дней назад

That's what I thought. I wonder if that's why they dropped them from future games...because most younger players won't be familiar with those old seasons of the anime! haha

@terrysyvertson9205 7 дней назад

@@BabusGameRoommost likely

@peteypiranalover 6 дней назад

Exeggcute is likely from Johto as well. But Alola is most likely the first region but not clear enough. I am fine with it being first found in Johto in this context

@BabusGameRoom 4 дня назад

That's true! It's all about the context. I'm focusing on catching things in the game as much as possible.

@Deltabolster 6 дней назад

Gotta say. As someone who genuinely hates gen 1 and every single thing about it you as a genwunner are straight up my enemy

@BabusGameRoom 4 дня назад

ahaha, what do you hate about Gen 1? Without Gen 1, there'd be no Pokemon at all as we know it today.

@Deltabolster 4 дня назад

@@BabusGameRoom Ive played a bunch of classic games and despite their age found stuff to love. I genuinely enjoyed my playthrough of Zelda 2 I did last week. But not with pokemon, the game is incredibly easy to break by accident, the region itself is honestly a bit boring to explore past the third gym, dragon types may as well not exist and psychic types are op because of a coding error. Genuinely not a fan of alot of gen 1 pokemon and so many of them I'm growing sick off the more I see them, like I would genuinely cheer if Charizard stopped existing. For a lot of games I can see why they got popular but not pokemon, I'm glad it managed to get big because I do like the games that came after but gen 1 itself is not good