Personally I had always thought the Brutes didn’t have armor to keep them somewhat equal to the elites, and the reason the armor was made so quickly was because Truth had been planning to off the Elites long before Regrets’ death, and was having the armor made and put in storage in secret. Cool to find out I was partially right.
That’s interesting because Tartarus himself wore bright red power armor during the fall of harvest. And his other brutes did too. Their armor shields were also seemingly much stronger than an elites with his uncle and 2 other brutes taking the combined fire of like 20 assault rifles at once and not even getting hurt. Why he would trade this out is still insane.
slicer940 Keep in mind the Fist of Rukt (Tartarus’ Warhammer) is a literal rock with forerunner metal on it (they just broke off a piece of rock that the metal was in). Brutes are pretty haphazard when it comes to usage of technology
@@narrowstone5363 But according to the book, the armor WAS traditional. Tartarus's power armor was what made him chieftain. It held just as much meaning to the Brutes as the Arbiter's armor held to the Elites.
I just assumed it was a reton by Bungie. In ODST they are armored also which takes place during the same time as H2. Would loved to have seen them having armor in H2A (even just aesthetically)
TheVargr I always thought that those Brutes were a part of Truth’s fleet (Regret left and Truth jumped in pretty much directly after) and since they were a part of Truth’s fleet & Truth was likely planning this coup they’d be armored as a result
As the Rookie you can find groups of dead Elites while the Brutes have command, implying the Schism already happened/was happening. As for why these ones have armor, since we didn't see any Brutes on Earth in Halo 2, it's plausible the Brutes attacking Earth already had the armor. I'd agree it's still a retcon, but a believable retcon.
Given the buildup to replace the Sangheli, I'd imagine that the steps to arm them with equally advanced and or capable gear had already produced a considerable stockpile by the time the change in power was made openly. On top of that, the troops headed for Earth and the Ark would be marked as high priority for the Covenant armories and quartermasters.
do correct me if im wrong but they rapidly caught up with the forerunners in terms of tech levels when there was peace although forerunners were better at certain tech mega engineering. also humanity had an alliance with the ancient prophets which you don't see much with forerunners making allies as they fully believed the mantle was their right alone.
It depends on when the story is written and who's writing it. For instance it's sometimes suggested ancient humans at thier peak rivaled the forerunners at thier most wavering, it seems at times they are actually stronger, and at times they are weaker. It changes as the plot requires them
Elliot Lee the concrete advantage was the immortality, humans dosnot have the technology of immortality and the access to the domains. In warfare apparently they are almost the same that varies from autor to autor
Adaptability. Ancient Humanity was able to taken actions quickly to fight off the Flood and Forerunners simultaneously. The Caste system of the Forerunners meant that it took forever for the Forerunners to react and take appropriate steps to deal with the Flood. Eventually when they've decided to quarantine worlds, the Flood had grew strong enough that conventional warfare could no longer contain them.
H2A's design makes them look like Wookiees with constant anger issues. For the Reach Brutes, I'll quote HiddenXperia: "The Brute design in that game just look f***ing peculiar."
And then you have the absolute chad Halo Wars 2 Brutes. I absolutely adore their design! The Banished Brute power armour has that bulky, industrial look. Kinda makes sense since a lot of their armour is salvaged from various material. Atriox in particular, he's using an ODST breast plate as an abdomen piece. And that red colour theme they have just looks sick and really compliments their design.
More than likely Truths battle group already had their weapons and armor because he’s been planning a coup for a while. It wouldn’t be hard to believe if he had massive weapon and armor stockpiles that the higher ranking brutes knew about and couldn’t wait to get to when the schism fully broke out
stijnVDA1994 brutes on delta halo and high charity didn’t have that power armor as they didn’t break it out yet because the elites were still their “allies.” When the Arbitrator was “killed” was when the betrayal fully broke out and not all the brutes had time to rally and rearm. Gotta remember when Arby was sent to the deep abyss and from the time he met up with three jaw was less then a day at most. It takes time to rally and arm a army
They probably didn't develop it, I imagine like most civie tech the San shyum did. As far as they're engineering prowess I have no idea. Bugs usually don't have big brains.
@@phoenixjones7191 I thought that there was some explanation about how they traversed from their homeworld and to their moon, which the anti gravitational tech helped with. Edit: Grammar correction.
Unfortunately the Brute units present in New Mombasa post the in-atmosphere slipspace jump of the Solemn Penance bore the powered armour as per the campaign events of ODST. As a result the Brute forces that assaulted Earth were evidently wearing armour prior to the death of Tartarus. Pointing towards the more long-term machinations of the Prophet of Truth in setting up the civil war? The sangheilli you encounter in ODST are all slaughtered by Brutes prior to Buck's arrival at Tayari Plaza, which ONI seem to somehow already been aware of? Or Bungie needed a replacement for the Elite within the enemy sandbox and shoehorned the Brutes into that role. Placing mechanics first and retroactively sorta-kinda tried to make the narrative work? So they all got armoured up in the blink of an eye. ;-) Great video.
ODST used assets and the entire engine from Halo 3, and given it was meant to be a DLC originally, they werent gonna just make a whole new asset for one DLC
It's quite obvious that the Brutes around the capital weren't allowed to wear armor so as to give the Elite Councilors some peace of mind. Other Covenant fleets and units, however, probably allowed Brutes to have armor, or were manned by Brutes with armor. In Halo Wars, 3, ODST, and Reach, some Brutes were wearing armor, as we see clearly that the Brutes of Halo Wars, 3, and ODST had power armor on, and the Halo Reach Brutes had armor for their officers and chieftains.
We know in Reach that the higher-up Brutes had energy shields. So armour was probably distributed on a priority bases. When they took the place of the Elites, factories producing Sangheili armour probably just switched over to Jiralhanae armour. Actually now that I think about it, Truth was probably already making and storing it so he could have his new forces fully-armed for the Great Schism. And the new armour probably had an intended psychological effect. The Brutes are dressed like Elites to show that they are calling the shots now.
The simple explanation is retcon/redesign. No lore explanation necessary. The Brutes in Reach more closely resemble their Halo 3 counterparts, and in the books the brutes are described as wearing armor and power-armor. They probably got some upgrades prior to/as a result of the Great Schism, but canonically speaking the brutes did not go from being mostly naked to fully armored in 2 weeks. They have always worn armor. Halo 2 is technically just an outlier in the Brute's aesthetic is all.
Man I love this channel much, I've been thinking of the why brutes getting armor since halo 3 came out and you gave the final answer.thank you very many times
I'm surprised you'd get this detail wrong... John-117 encountered the Brutes BEFORE Halo 2. Running into them aboard the station Unyielding Hierophant, during the novel 'First Strike'.
@@srikrishnasrivatsan199 But how does a detail like that slip into the final draft. I know the bulk is a speculation, but fact checking what isn't should have caught this.
Sable Drakon I think it was the way he worded it. I think he meant it was the first time Chief saw Brutes on High Charity rather than seeing Brute for the first time ever.
He can make mistakes. He is already a great content producer and he more than likely won't come up with some shitty excuse for this particular oversight.
I just like to think that the reason they have armor in Halo 3 and beyond is because they didn't have time to render them in Halo 2. I think in one of the ViDocs for Halo 3 they mentioned that it was originally planned but they ran out of time.
I realized what is potentially a plot hole between Halo 2 and 3 How did everyone get from Delta halo to Earth before Chief did when Chief was on a Forerunner keyship that are known for their speed through slipspace. Like the trip there took 3 weeks I think and Chief would have been able to return in just a matter of days
Basically everything in Halo lore is a result of a game designer thinking "this would be neat" and then a writer having to spend weeks figuring out how to explain it in the lore because they know us nerds must have an explanation.
The answer to where they got the armor from originally was that Bungie wanted to redesign the look of the brutes, and the Halo 3 brutes were retroactively replacing the brutes in 2. The idea that there is a canonical reason for the change in 2 weeks wasnt a thing. Fast forward to 2014 and the Devs in charge said that Halo 2 anniversary's style and portrayal of everything is retroactive across the board until the events of Halo 4, meaning that at this time the way the brutes look in Halo 3 do not actually portray how they are supposed to look or interact according to the information given by 343. I find it strange that anyone inside or outside the company would attempt to find a story explanation behind retroactive Canon like this after it's official discussion.
@A Random Internet Box unlikely, the only chances would be that it would have had to use elements from Halo 2A, which would counter a lot of gameplay choices in 3, which is also part of the reason they didn't make Halo 3A because trying to drum up in universe lore to counter Halo 1-2 would stir too much debate since popular opinion is that Halo 2 is more structurally sound lore wise. It's easy to forget Halo 3 was the first in a long series of games where there was major lore changes and the studio tried to use the "don't think about/isn't the game fun" excuse to try and sidestep the people who paid attention. Also, when Halo Wars 2 came out 343 said thier reason for looking almost 1-1 with Halo 2A was because of this very reason. Of you tried to stick the looks of Halo 2 on top of Halo 3 it counters more then it cooperates, and that's part of the reason Halo 3A wouldn't work visually On the other hand, saying they hypothetically made Halo 3A look completely different to Halo 2A to fit the designs in in Classic Halo 3, it would mean 343 supports bungie's disregard of previous visual Canon and set up and that also aggravate the people invested in how the series looks and feels.
Also to add to this, Fire Team Raven uses the Halo 2A assets and 343 said that is the proper display of Canon assets (until Halo 4 in the timeline), and doubles down on the retroactive replacement of things seen in Halo CEA or Reach etc. So if you try to compare certain things the established look shows us in Halo 2A, Halo wars 2 to classic Halo 3 (where covenant and human armor, rank, etc. changes) you run into more inconsistency. It's easier for them to just not attempt to explain a Canon reason for the change and just sweep Halo 3's look as inaccurate to the more widely accepted canon.
Very detailed breakdown, the best I've seen. I especially like how you tied in The Banished, the history of the Brutes, and the timeline details from H2 to H3. Good job.
The simplest answer would be, that we see high charity brutes occupying a largely ceremonial and political role in H2. Those operating as part of the wider military are probably already using the armor at the same time.
I think they were just a small army following Arbiter's fleet to invade Reach. I don't know, it might be a few contradictions in the Halo series. Like, Joe Staten didn't have the idea of brutes yet in Halo CE
I love the idea that brutes armor was made to make them weaker so elites would easily be ablento sliaghter them rather than risk hand ta hand with a mack truck meaning brute chieftains with shields arent just the most powerful becuase of there armor but the smartest and probably lead to the brute culture getting more agressive and violent which is whybtartarus and cheiftans seem to be the chillest brutes that never go berserk while all the lowest brutes can easily lose it and just bum rush
I know I might be a little late here, but you're telling me that they didn't just use Brute force to get their new armor? lol. love the videos, was introduced to halo long ago in 2002 while watching my older brother play, then we played together up until halo 5.
It just occurred to me, while the brutes at some point being capable of gravity manipulation sounds ridiculous it kind of makes sense, just hear me out. First off they live on a planet where gravity is stronger and therefore easier to notice and measure leading to more interest in the subject. This also means they would need significantly more impressive technology to even have a hope of getting off their planet efficiently. And thanks to their penchant for tribal infighting they'd quickly create a near impenetrable debree field around their planet that would last for millenia. Whatever was left would then be scavenged for parts leaving only the relatively easy to maintain gravity hammers as symbols of their legacy. And as we have seen they are capable of matching the other races in the setting when it comes to intelligence despite having a culture that rewards sheer physical strength.
My guy said “How” 😂 hood question because brutes are built on brutality and physical bodily harm. But if you think about it they do have those floating worms working for them on the Halo wars 2 game so that could be a way how they upgraded their armor so quick🤷🏾♂️ just a thought
Im a new viewer to the channel, love the vids I've seen so far and I was wondering, are you going to do a video on the Forward unto Dawn at any point, Thanks for the great content!
Not sure if you’ve done this yet but can you explain the red energy sword and why the prophets bane is orange not blue like I’ve always wondered why there’s a red energy sword and what the color could mean?
lore says that the brute had nuked themselves back into the stone age and were space faring before they ever were found by the covenant. it makes sense that the brute would have had their own armor since they were already an advanced civilization. shit explained in the lore isnt confusing or hard to understand
I would like to think different division packs wore armour while some didn't. Wasn't til the final months that Truth must of ordered an increase in mass production of standard issue armour to all brutes.
You should make a Video on Known Forerunner Ancilla and generally what they did, where they were found/left ( if that can be/is known ), i know most will end up being monitors but still... do it anyways lol i know they show up in a book or 2, non monitor Ancilla's
So here's a Question. Could the Covenant go Toe to Toe with the Protoss from StarCraft? Another Question. Would the Covenant/Human War have been Shorter with the Terran, Protoss, and UNSC Alliance? The Terrans being Human, but with more Advance Technology like the Battle Cruiser's Yamato Cannon.
Now we only need the armor humans, not Spartan armour,more like the marine armour and odst armour,and why their armour has not been improve even in halo 5?
Joehanny packs, I have no clue how to spell that. Can be shaven, have beards, decorated beards, can have no tattoos and can have tattoos. Sorry but that is literally the definition of useless information. That is like a realtor saying. Well This is the front door to the place, the door can be in the open position and sometimes even the closed position. And these are the light switches you can have them off or on depends on how you feel. Just teasing video was great.
I love the brutes. With your recent video explaining Spartan 5 theories, you mentioned that ONI put some memories in the flash clones. It wasn't perfect but it did work. Could ONI experiment with figuring out how Brutes work and after a bit of modification to encourage critical thinking, put memories, pro human memories, into a brute? Image waking up remembering a human body only to find you're a brute made by ONI to protect humanity. Is this possible?
Hang on. Tarty had the Fist of Rukt retrofitted w/ Covie tech right? Doesn't that make him a hypocrite for adopting technology into his personal weapon?
Please for the love of huge death machines tell me About when the UNSC and elites had their alliance in their troops all met for the first time without fighting
Great theory but I’m pretty sure Halo 3 ODST throws a huge wrench in this entire theory. It takes place during the events of Halo 2 and the brutes are already decked out in power armour. I think it’s just a huge oversight on Bungie’s part.
Was covenant government crazy kill elite one of better warrior in halo other than the spartan . We played them with the giant alien monkeys just because their little bit more physically power and not that smart . Elite build covenant Andy for thousands of years , elite is 10 X times more smarter than alien money's and elite have fighting skills to make up being weaker , elite have more power with the Hunter and to help them with more physicall fight.