Rio and Agatha finished the road together. When asked how many witches came out with her, she said one...that one was Rio. Rio made a deal to become Death. Agatha made a deal for the Darkhold. Agatha's price was her son. Rio's price was taking Agatha's son. Agatha is hoping Rio just hid her son as Billy. Rio is trying to tell her she didn't, and that's why she says "do you remember why you hate me".
28:15 they said in the show that the road changes for the coven, so she was probably surprised by how it looked now versus the last time she was with agatha
Came here to say this, The panel keeps questioning whether Agatha has been down the road before citing her confusion and surprise throughout the trials, but if the road changes for the coven, it would be different from her previous time on the road.
"Her name is Rio and she dances on the sand, Just like that river twisting through a dusty land, And when she shines, she really shows you all she can, Oh Rio, Rio dance across the Rio Grande." ~ Duran Duran
They’ve already set up the grammatical word play with the “witches’ road”. I think the “he isn’t yours” could be misleading. That could still be her son, just that he doesn’t belong to her because she traded him for the darkhold. Not sold on that myself but there’s been some odd dialogue choices.
Or maybe "he isn't yours" is more like a "he isn't yours *anymore* " like Billy Kaplan is the reincarnation of Nicolas Scratch and that's why he had a deep-seeded interest in learning about Agatha. I think the Scarlet Witch movie might be a modified House of M climax where Agatha and Wanda both have valid "claims" to Billy and instead of Wanda saying No More Mutants, Wiccan says No More Lies. And with his magical capabilities that'll undo Kang's lies to create the sacred timeline, anyone affected by the Runes of Kafkal, basically anything that influenced everyone's mind to be altered or affected in someway will be dissolved.
Yeah I’m feeling like “sacrificing” him might’ve just meant that Agatha had to give him away. Which was however long ago. So maybe she left him on someone’s doorstep (the Kaplan residence?) back then, making Teen like his great great grandson. Which means Teen is Agatha’s great great great grandson. Makes sense!!
I like how the leaves on the road seem to correspond with the trial blue for jens and a oarnge and red mix for alice. The attention to detail in these practical sets is just chefs kiss 👨🍳 💋
30:35 I think that the exchange between Agatha and Rio was eluding to Rio being Death. Rio isn't allowed to kill ANYONE and Agatha can't kill Rio because she IS death.
Rio and Agatha finished the road together. When asked how many witches came out with her, she said one...that one was Rio. Rio made a deal to become Death. Agatha made a deal for the Darkhold. Agatha's price was her son. Rio's price was taking Agatha's son. Agatha is hoping Rio just hid her son as Billy. Rio is trying to tell her she didn't, and that's why she says "do you remember why you hate me".
@@MASTERPIECEFROMGOD I'm guessing she's either Death or Blackheart (considering she literally calls it out in episode 2 and they also mentioned Mephisto in episode 3).I hadn't even thought about the Grim Reaper, that's a good theory also.
Random theory: 28:24 Teen is who influenced the look of the witches road this time around. He was the first to enter and when they all arrive, he looks around at it and says something like “this is awesome.” Agatha seems confused as she looks around the road, and then says to him that it “Suits you”
I think the embodiment of Death just isn't allowed to kill, perid. she's here to collect souls of people who have just died, but she can't kill. it's like a conflict of interest lol otherwise she might be tempted to kill everybody to get all the souls, and all the bodies for her garden :)
I like the idea of some shows not having a big bad. The journey could be enough for the story to matter. Werewolf by Night seems to be structured that way.
Prediction/Theory- Agatha put the sigil on Teen during the episode of Wandavision where she had both of Wanda’s kids in her house. She transferred the soul of Nicholas Scratch to him then as a loophole to get the Dark Hold
Rio (Aubrey) said something right between "Agatha" and "that boy isn't yours" which went unheard (but you can see her moving lips) like everything hidden behind teen's sigil that becomes inaudible. Please break that down. Timestamp around 35:40 on Disney Plus.
Damm ur right 😮 didn't notice that before, maby Agatha noticed too that she couldn't hear what Rio said and smiled and the end like she was putting up her walls again or putting on another mask (metaphorical)
Brandon’s point at 47 minutes made me think of the Once Upon a Time plot point of the hero’s kid being raised by the villain. We could see something similar here where Billy feels bonded to Agatha even after he finds out she is his real mom’s nemesis.
All I know is Rio is very ancient, powerful, is "The" green witch and has a job related to life and death. I'm not committing to any Rio theory, but Mistress Death or Gaea/Gaia are the most likely after EP4.
Think it was clearly Rio who walked the road with Agatha last time. The look of the road changes for each coven, looks different each time, so it looked differently last time they walked it. Agatha said in episode 3 to teen, when he was talking about the look of the road, that "yes it suits you". I took that to be the look conforms it look to the coven.
My head cannon theory now is that instead of being Franklin and Val Richards Nanny what is at the end of the series Billy is revealed to be the son Scarlet Witches, who comes back as his wish, and Agatha and Wanda bond over a shared love for him having both lost and spiritually regained a son, and she becomes his nanny/teacher.
Perhaps Billy's boyf is Nicholas Scratch, and that is how Agatha's son is inside Wiccan, then the Scarlet Witch movie is Wanda and Agatha learning how to co-parent their boys. 😂
1:10:30 i actually think two options for who could’ve placed the sigil on billy.. either billy made the sigil himself.. or wanda did subconsciously through that sokovian lullaby she sung to them as infants. i could totally see them saying the lullaby was a protection spell and sigil placed on her children that would remain until they become strong enough to protect themselves.
Was Sharon actually dead before the slide? You can see her stirring at the end of the last episode. The first words by Agatha in this episode were “I didn’t think you had it in you”. It looks like she’s talking to Sharon but was she actually talking to teen, implying that he actually killed her on the way down the slide?
What if each of the witches powers are drawn from the infinity stones? Agatha (power/purple magic), Wanda (reality/red magic), Alice (soul/orange magic), Lilia (mind/yellow magic), Rio aka Lady Death (time/green magic), Teen aka Billy Kaplan (space/blue magic)… Jennifer is tough to place…she could be interchange with Alice. Maybe one of them doesn’t make it?
They're overthinking the recast... Billy's original actor is too young for the long filming days, so recasting makes it so they can film longer with Joe.
as far as the conversation of Joe Locke taking over someone else's character: The actor who played Billy Maximoff is a child, and he was in a few scenes. Joe Locke is an adult. I'd very much prefer that if the character is in a lot of scenes, they'd be played by an adult
22:37 We have seen Rio do plenty with magic. She can control wind, seemingly fly a little, she HEALED Agatha's hand, she was able to disfigure herself and come up from Sharon's grave and could enter the witches' road without a coven... 35:00 She was probably collecting Sharon's soul/body and I imagine prior to that she was down-under with Mephisto 39:18 I think WestView being a "hellmouth" is the new "Mephisto" lol 42:34 I really don't think it's fair to compare what they did to Emma Fuhrmann with Kathryn Newton to Julian Hilliard with Joe Locke. Evan knows the comic story so if they're replicating that, they have to recast him so I don't think it's fair to compare and criticize.
I’m surprised that none of them have posited that Agatha’s son died, but THEN the story everyone told was that she sacrificed him. It seems to me that Agatha keeps putting on an evil act that’s tougher and darker than she actually is. Maybe she can’t let herself care anymore. Maybe her story, like Jen’s, is about trauma.
I don't think Rio was being aloof when she said "huh" and skipped down the road as if it was a new thing. Rather, I think we are led to believe that "the road changes for the coven" and that this interpretation of the road was different from any she had experienced in the past. I almost think the skipping was a reference to the fact that this road is reminiscent of the yellow brick road in the Wizard of Oz.
To me, the most interesting line was Agatha over Sharon's body saying "I didn't think you had it in you" with a wink. It makes me think that someone might've intentionally killed/let Sharon die for their own purposes. Either Teen to gain power/at the directive of his master, or maybe Rio put some spell on Sharon so that once she died on the road she'd be able to get summoned to the road are my favorite thoughts right now.
I was just reading about her character and she dies and revives a few times. They could potentially use that to show her working with Mephisto. She also creates a new darkhold which I think could be plausible.
They are not gonna kill Agatha with the scarlet witch coming back , mephisto , midnight suns and fantastic four with Franklin she is so pivotal . Agatha is also having a major comic run and update right now , mcu won’t kill the character off though the actress could change .
Random Theory: Rio is the one who knocked Teen through the window. The demon only used fire on the other witches, not wind. But Rio showed that she had wind powers in episode one when she blasted through Agatha’s front door. I think Rio really wants Teen’s body.
True story: I worked at Six Flags over Georgia when I was in high school, (coolest job ever, and hottest) and there was a decapitation at the park when I was working there, actually at the park. Kids was from SC and was there with a church group and they jumped over fences and one of the rides took his head off
There's a couple things i think are being missed. Agatha has been planning on using Teen as a vessel for Nicholas at the end of the road, but he's already a vessel for Billy. Also, Death might be a former human who fills the role as an agent for another cosmic entity in the MCU.
Left Field Lilia theory! She always complains about the stereotyping of witches (kill people, eat babies, brooms etc), why? What if SHE used to be a "Wicked Witch"? Also... where the heck was she finding those instruments from?
I think this is going to be a reverse uno card where it’s been Wanda all along. She “destroyed” the dark hold and the mountain after unsuccessfully attempting to get her kids. She learns about the witches road and that Agatha has been. So she puppets Teen and breaks the spell. Summoned Rio and the Salem seven so that Agatha would want to get to the road to get her powers back, all while she in search of getting her kids in this universe. At the end she uses Teens body because it was his parents that died in that car wreck in EastView and another kid as her kids that go on to be in the Young Avengers. It’ll be like in the comics where Agatha spirit help Wanda go down the Witches road.
Thanks to The Sims 4 the term grimtern Is now a thing because death is a job in The Sims and I just think it's really funny that it seems to apply at least right now to Rio.
“Path of least resistance” is a term that gets used a lot when dealing with electricity as well. With electromagnetism being one of the fundamental forces of the universe, along with strong nuclear, weak nuclear and gravitational, it’s interesting to juxtapose those scientific forces next to the supernatural forces of the four elements explored in this series. Just an observation, not necessarily a massive insight into the show. But Deep science meets deep magic is something we might see in the future.
Splashtown is the closest waterpark to me, but I've been to the original Schlitterbahn in New Braunfels more, even though it's 3 hours away. I'm really enjoying Agatha All Along. Lorna Wu's song being a protection spell is awesome. I would love a Weird Al cover or spoof of the Ballad of the Witchs' Road.
in the 1600s my family was in Massachusetts - also during the witch trials- and then in the 1800s they moved here to New Jersey! so my family can prove the Mass to Jersey isnt to far off!
I think that Agatha put the sigil on Teen to protect him from Rio. When Rio said "He isn't yours" it was either because he is dead and belongs to Rio now or that Agatha blocked his memory and Rio was reading her and realized that based off of Agatha's memory that it's not her son.
I think Teen is already fully powered Wiccan, he put a Sigil on himself to mask his identity and power. He's there to save Wanda, he doesn't need power, he needed to mask himself to gain Agatha's trust.
What if the witches’ road is a version of the soul stone? We know magic generally uses orange soul energy, and to get the stone you have to sacrifice the person you love the most. Now we have magic users following that same energy to a place where Agatha lost her son for the darkhold? That’s a lot of similarities…
It’s a monkey’s paw scenario!. Rio and Agatha walked the road together and planned to cheat the road by thinking the sacrifice of her son could be reversed. Rio had to make a sacrifice to conquer death and Agatha had to sacrifice her son for the Darkhold. So they thought they could just reverse those sacrifices with their gifts from finishing the road. But instead, Rio BECAME death, and with that job title comes the responsibility to collect souls for eternity. But she cannot do the opposite, meaning she can’t bring Agatha’s son back. HOWEVER I also feel like Teen might just be like her great great great grandson. Meaning that her son was sacrificed simply by giving him away. On a random doorstep like a family named Kaplan 🤷🏻♂️
Seems like a coven is a group of 6 no? Rio Wu Lil Jen Agatha Teen? Maybe each member of a coven embodies idk...the Infinity Stones? Green Witch for the Time Stone Potions Witch for the Space Stone Destruction Witch for the Power Stone Protection Witch for Reality Divination Witch for Mind And the Teen whatever he becomes would embody the Soul Stone. He seems like the soul of the coven per say the most idk wild theory
If Rio is who she is rumored to be, why is she fascinated about collecting bodies? Most stories about 'Death' is about taking souls. There is a particular reason why the producers are saying Death collects bodies instead of souls. I think it's because there is one body, Rio wants to collect more than others. It's why she's taking a particular interest in 'Teen'. I think 'Teen's body is the one she has been searching for. This is speculation but I believe Billy Kaplan was in a car accident, and that accident led to him dying, which means 'Death' would be coming for him. But if 'Billy Maximoff's soul entered into Billy Kaplan, then 'Death' probably would see that as a technicality and still expect to collect him. All she needs to do is be the instrument of Billy Maximoff's death. I don't think it was Alice's demon that pushed 'Teen' through the glass window. The demon used fire to consume its victims. I think it was Rio who pushed 'Teen' in an attempt to kill him. Rio has already shown she has a blast force powerful enough to push people about the room, she did so with Agatha in episode 1. Agatha knows Rio is interested in taking 'Teen' just as she took Nicholas, her son. I just don't know if Agatha is aware about 'Teen's death or near-death experience or Rio's attempts to murder 'Teen'. I think the person who put the sigil on 'Teen' is Billy Maximoff to hide him from Death. Agatha mentioned the sigil was placed on clumsily and I believe Billy Maximoff as an adolescent spirit probably didn't have much experience to put on a more masterful spell. 'Teen' or Billy Kaplan would have no knowledge of it as he basically put it on himself. Anyhow, just a theory. It probably will change next episode.
I assumed that Emma Fuhrmann went to college, so they recast her...but they did it because they wanted a bigger name/different look? There was nothing in Quantumania that Emma couldn't have done in her sleep.
Why isn't anyone asking " What's at the end of the road"? - We know what they each desire, but what entity has the power to grant those wishes and at what cost? Think Wizard of Oz - The wizard/ smoke and mirrors....Or Thor Love and Thunder - Eternity
I think it could only be billy or nicolas scratch not both, technically i think if its billy then his soul reincarnated into a young boy who died in the crash and his torn identity is between billys soul and that boys memories. Like his recent infatuation with agatha and witches i think is an example of billys soul showing and maybe he places his own sigil on himself to figure out who exactly he is and that will be the moment the sigil is lifted . Or the same thing with scratch but i think Rio actually meant it wasnt him and was trying to save her from the heartache and will eventually be the nanny figure to him and try help billy later find his brother and maybe even mom if we find out shes not dead
I think Aubrey Plaza's Rio is actually Morgan Le Fey given morgan is a green witch with earth powers and she does require bodies and can possess astral souls
I think Agatha did go do the road before, with ONLY Rio and why she thinks the lyrics were "Coven Two"....and Salem 7.... that's totally Agatha's mom and her old coven, from WandaVision
If Rio is meant to be death, or at least represent death, what does that mean for Agatha in the first episode? What reason would Rio have to visit Agatha if not because Agatha was dying? If Teen hadn't broken her out, would Agatha have died in her hex?
If they wanted us to think that Teen is Agatha's son somehow that makes that Funko Pop leak particularly dumb (not to mention the caption in that early trailer)....or maybe Wiccan in the MCU will just have a very different origin and will actually be linked to Agatha more than to Wanda? ...those leaks may be the only thing kind of bugging me about the series, otherwise I'm loving it so far.
To me, it looked like Rio was the one who healed Teen, not the water potion. It looked like Agatha gave her a knowing look, and Rio had her hands out like she was doing subtle magic. Don’t green witches heal?
Eric wants to be great so bad, he over complicates things 😂 Billy is Rebecca’s son but is going to be Wanda’s son. It will have something to do with the Eastview accident…
