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Where's the LOVE? - An Engage Retrospective 

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#fireemblem #fireemblemengage #fireemblem5 #thracia776 #fireemblem7 #blazingsword'#fe7 #srpg
Thracia 776 and Fire Emblem 7: Blazing Sword are my GOAT games so of course I would be pissed with this subpar nostalgia bait lol. This stuff also kinda applies to Echoes as well imo since I don't think celica represents echoes that well on her own. I am curious about how you think Engage did with representing your favorite FE game.
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@themastertactician869
@themastertactician869 Месяц назад
The most common defense of the emblem rings I get is “these aren’t the same characters you have to treat them like their own character.” Like we are supposed to see emblem Lyn as a completely different character as og Lyn for example But then you can’t have it be fanservice if it’s a completely different character. You can’t have it both ways….so I don’t understand that defense.
@nahte123456
@nahte123456 28 дней назад
I mean they are factually different characters, EX Corrin can't turn into a dragon. But yes the point still stands.
@user-eo2tg5cx7i
@user-eo2tg5cx7i 23 дня назад
I felt that the game wasn't a game celebrating all the previous entries of the series, but rather is a love letter to Fire Emblem Heroes, which is now their biggest moneymaker. This might as well be their "mainline game" from a corporate standpoint! Lyn, Eirika, Lucina, etc... are all the flanderized versions of these characters the way they are portrayed in Heroes, not in their actual original entries. The way how you call upon the powers of all these characters from other worlds, Sombron's story being about opening portals to other worlds and all that.
@Tin_Le
@Tin_Le 20 дней назад
It feels that way, free contents are from Heroes, season pass characters are the most popular Heroes choices. Even in the Engage interview the producer advertised Heroes while talking about Engage
@blankblank6214
@blankblank6214 Месяц назад
Engages biggest flaw was being an anniversary title and putting that at the for front rather than going after subtle approach like awakening the swan song
@namelessbag
@namelessbag Месяц назад
Ah yes, subtle approach like awakening Look it's Marth from smash bros and his sword falchion Here's Ike's son for no reason Remember Tiki guys here's Tiki You step on a random shiny tile and oh shit you just got Roy's sword The shittons of DLC maps where you can recruit old characters and play on their maps It really feels that people would like Engage more if the emblems were just faceless floating ghosts instead
@blankblank6214
@blankblank6214 Месяц назад
@namelessbag well it turns out that's not actually Marth and the only thing that remains from the og faltion is the blade tiki looks completely different ,ikes decendent if not in the main story , the dlc is post-game the cards can be skipped ,the Roy sword is rng dependent so you might not even find itand let's not forget the map refraces and character bloodlines to Marth and alm with various maps like dumas gate appearing or the Mila tree tiki sleeps or the dead lords with the holy weapons of jugdral in all these are more subtle than yap sessions with a bunch of rings that are dam near essential to game play and story with poor representation like Bru fe 7 was Elwoods game but they didn't even make him an emblem and Ephraim does even have dailoge out side of bond attacks
@RLCguy
@RLCguy 25 дней назад
Except it couldn't even just do the fun anniversary thing and just have them all as playable characters. It fails at being a nostalgia bait anniversary game
@EXchoco
@EXchoco 19 дней назад
Viewing Engage as an “anniversary game” is troubling when official confirmation of that assumption (which is often used as a justification for the game’s worst bits) is obtrusively missing. What the directors *have* said about its creation, in fact-that it was a game made primarily to “broaden audiences”-seems to fly in the face of the “anniversary game” claim. Why celebrate an anniversary with a new audience in a new game meant to garner that broadened audience? This is of course ignoring the fact that Engage…did not come out on a notable anniversary. 33rd anniversary game? Seems odd. As well as the fact that the game’s release being postponed due to Covid is also unconfirmed. Overall I think the reason the anniversary claim is so broadly embraced is because of the emblems, but like the video says, the emblems are only a cheap way of vaguely alluding to something FE’s audience that it already has once loved, as if to placate them while Engage attempts to suck in a newer, younger audience (that is suspiciously inclined to spend money in gacha apps)
@TheMaestroMizerous
@TheMaestroMizerous 15 дней назад
@@EXchoco I don't think many new fans will be gained when they can't even play the 3DS games anymore lol
@hollowfox213
@hollowfox213 Месяц назад
I see a lot of people talking about how Erika and Lyn have been seriously mischaracterized by Engage, but I feel like we need to also talk about how butchered Lucina has been ever since Heroes first came out. I mean, even before that she was basically flanderized into a tiny demure mouse for fanservice and to waifu-inize her, but as a result we never get to see any of the bite she displays during Awakening's main story. I know that she can act pretty silly during her supports with the other child characters, but those moments of humor were to contrast against her seriousness in the narrative. She doesn't feel like the fierce warrior who sacrificed everything, watched her kingdom be torn to shreds by Satan, but still persevered against the immeasurable odds against her. She's just kinda... nice and silly now. Like that's all her character has been turned into. Hell, you could argue that most of the plot of Awakening is kickstarted by Lucina, and then experienced by Robin and Chrom who have to deal with the repercussions of her actions, but we never to get to feel like she was /that/ important to the game anymore. What I mean is, Lucina feels so unlike herself now that she feels like a complete afterthought to Awakening and its story, like the developers don't know how to write her and only chose her to represent the game because she's marketable. That might sound a bit weird, but it's genuinely how I think of her now. "Awakening is Chrom and Robin's game, oh and I guess Lucina is there." Except it's like someone else parading around in a skin suit of her. I swear to God, she doesnt even look like herself anymore either, she's been waifu-inized too many times to the point she's practically unrecognizable.
@AverageJuliusEnjoyer
@AverageJuliusEnjoyer Месяц назад
imma be totally real. I'm not awakening's biggest supporter even though it was my first FE game, so I didn't have a ton of memories of it from childhood BUT YEAH WHAT YOU DESCRIBED. Awakening is about Chrobin is Lucina is there too is defintelyyyy the direction they are going in with awakening representation. you are not imagining it. I am unbiased and feel the same way.
@VuNguyen-fv5jl
@VuNguyen-fv5jl 29 дней назад
Smash Bros captured Lucina’s vibes extremely well. Based Sakurai
@Yoshixandir
@Yoshixandir 13 дней назад
@@VuNguyen-fv5jlsmash bros overall did a better job with the fire emblem cast. Heck the trophies did a good job explaining
@brauliozt8754
@brauliozt8754 6 дней назад
My thoughts exactly, Engage Lucina feel like an entirely different character compared to Awakening Lucina, the paranoid, traumatized princess of a ruined kingdom, who was willing to kill her father's best friend, and even her own husband/mother (depending on Robin' gender and S Support) to prevent her cursed future from happening; and the worst part is that throughout the events of the game she is forced to watch the dominos slowly fall in place, culminating in the absolute horror in her eyes as she watches how Grima resurrects. She is stoic and resolute, hellbent on doing whatever it takes to change the future, but at her core she is just a broken girl who misses her father. FEH Lucina and Emblem Lucina don't refelct any of these traits at all. Now she's just generic warrior princess who is kind, silly and gives random cryptic advice about the future, because that's all the devs know about her apparently.
@bravetree
@bravetree Месяц назад
I was one of the few people who actually was extremely excited about the concept of engage. I kind of baked up an image in my head of a very fate like world where these new characters can bounce off these old established ones. I was imagining a lord who had Marth as a mentor figure. A character who has lost their father and is using Sigurd as a surrogate. A sheltered noble with a character like Ike to challenge their worldview. This could even go for villains, imagine a character trying to use the dark arts to get their family back and Nergal as a devil on their shoulder pushing them to a point of no return. I also wish there was more than just the Lord's that got brought back. Maybe a set of Christmas Cavaliers but the red one has Abel and the green one has Cain. I have a problem with putting my expectations way too high and getting disappointed when it wasn't to my unrealistic expectations...
@AverageJuliusEnjoyer
@AverageJuliusEnjoyer Месяц назад
it may have been unrealistic TECHNICALLY but I like these ideas, especially the emblems still being characters rather than toys with cool powers. I think in a way this idea of the emblems mattering and influencing the cast was in fact the bare minimum
@MetalGearRaxis
@MetalGearRaxis Месяц назад
Shit, that sounds like SUCH a better deal than what we got.
@Yoshixandir
@Yoshixandir 13 дней назад
@@AverageJuliusEnjoyerI agree I think they were an afterthought like you mention the main emblem rings do not feel like themselves just a very waterdown one note version. Which was disappointing especially since many of these characters didn’t have voice acting back then it would’ve been great to see them say something cool or relate to their past but instead it was just the bare minimum
@javxion6576
@javxion6576 День назад
Not having villain emblems was CRIMINAL. But I guess they would've just screw them over too so idk
@Yoshixandir
@Yoshixandir 13 дней назад
Engage tried to be an anniversary game but forgetting why fans love the series in the first place. Sure it has amazing gameplay however they half assed everything else. Supports story, new game +, dlc and especially the characters. One of the biggest issue with engage is how unmemorable this game is. The fact discussion for this game is pretty much dead since there’s not much we can discuss to the point where even fan engagement is low like fan art memes etc. this game has a identity crisis it doesn’t know who it wants to appeal to newcomers or veterans. They added the emblem ring of popular lords however that’s something veterans would like newcomers won’t know them especially due to how bad they are implemented in the game. They rarely talk about themselves or their history. The fact smash bros does a better job of referencing these character in trophies makes me think they got added as a an afterthought. Heck many of the characters feel way too anime trope heavy since they focus on a single trait especially in the early supports Supports to me felt like a chore. Many of these characters in their c support do a poor job explaining these characters since many of their c and even b support don’t do anything but focus on a single trait. Celine for example so many of her early support talk about her stupid tea. Other thing that sucks is the first impressions of the cast many of them you can’t even tell who they are since they get so little screen time or simp for alear. Heck some characters got very unlucky like kagetsu who only has two sentences in the Main story and it doesn’t describe him or his personality only that he complimented a ring ands his join chapter is a escape mission where you won’t be focusing on killing just escaping (though the retainers all suffer but I feel kagetsu got the worst since you learn nothing about him and his join chapter is a horrible way to introduce him)
@0ctopusComp1etely
@0ctopusComp1etely Месяц назад
I kind of get what the devs were going for- celebrating a big anniversary of Fire Emblem by "bringing back favorite characters" and trying to give each game some representation, while still doing its own new story. But man... I'm right with you. This ain't it. The worst part is I don't hate the new characters. I don't think a lot of them have an engaging amount of depth (pun intended), but there's enough charm generally that I'm not upset, and it's not like Fire Emblem needs every character to be a favorite anyways. But the old Ring characters? They're tools, and little more. Old motivations are not to be found here, and the inevitable flanderization from existing outside their original context is usually the BETTER treatment over given generic conversations. Like you said, Lyn had her parents die in front of her. She should have STRONG sympathy and emotions for someone talking about missing their own. And especially about killing someone else's, without even getting a choice. But no. The Emblems are there for pep talks and fighting for all eternity, no matter the happy ending they fought for. I'd rather just have talking legendary weapons from the old games, personally. At least then they wouldn't be wearing the skin of characters I still like.
@AverageJuliusEnjoyer
@AverageJuliusEnjoyer Месяц назад
yeah a friend said something that I agree with. Do you think all of these characters that are so family and friend oriented would be THIS happy living for eternity never able to see the people and nations they love again. Lyn and Celica especially would be distraught. This isn't really explored at all though. Just walking and talking family guy cutaway gags. And YEAH! Lyn would feel awful about being used to kill Morion but it's not explored because Dark Emblems don't talk, so she just has a cold expression doing this but even afterwards, Lyn doesn't have much of a reaction. ( would it not have made the moment even more sad if Lyn was trying to resist and she looked really sad while killing someone's father right in front of them???) She is very detached about it in the Alcryst and Lyn bond conversation when I think she just would've cried and hugged Alcryst if she could.
@Yoshixandir
@Yoshixandir 13 дней назад
This makes me think that the idea of the emblem rings was last minute because they didn’t have faith in the game selling so they tried to bank on nostalgia despite them trying to cater to a new audience indirectly causing issues for both newcomers and veterans
@Flawless-Walrus
@Flawless-Walrus Месяц назад
I think one of my biggest gripes with the new characters is their designs. They all look like they're youtubers going to a Ren Faire, not actual military combatants. It doesn't help that they literally had a Vtuber model artist known for eye-stabbingly colourful designs, and then gave them zero information on the characters they were designing for. She mentioned, for example, not knowing all the characters from Solm were from there, or else she would have designed them with the desert in mind. That just tells me they cared more about making eye-grabbing designs that would appeal to younger audiences, than actually having any parts of the designs reflect the characters or setting. Damn shame, how much the world building and characters are kinda ass.
@AverageJuliusEnjoyer
@AverageJuliusEnjoyer Месяц назад
what is that why solm makes no damn sense? bunet being an aryan was always confusing.
@Flawless-Walrus
@Flawless-Walrus Месяц назад
@@AverageJuliusEnjoyer It's why a bunch of people from a desert nation are pasty as heck, yes lol
@Speckmantelmade
@Speckmantelmade 27 дней назад
That explains a lot. I know the artist was a VTuber artist, bc you see that in the majority of the characters, but they didn’t even tell her specifics for some? That’s a recipe for disaster. It was also why most of them felt disconnected from the world. It felt like they cosplayed how someone who only knew anime would imagine Fire Emblem if it was described to them in Fates skin touch mechanic and support tropes. Oh boy
@Yoshixandir
@Yoshixandir 13 дней назад
It just wasn’t solm she didn’t know she was designing for fire emblem. For some stupid reason they didn’t tell her she was making fire emblem designs. Which explains why so many of the characters are way too flashy. The worst might be hostensia she looks ridiculous and like a clown yet she’s a princess?
@moon4236
@moon4236 12 дней назад
​@@Yoshixandir wtf why would they do that
@blankblank6214
@blankblank6214 Месяц назад
Miciahs paralog was done dirty all because there where no ledges for 3 13
@ToddHoward76
@ToddHoward76 Месяц назад
Love was left at the door in order to tap into the gatcha market.
@emmastokes64
@emmastokes64 Месяц назад
It's not gacha. It's basically the raffle game like in fates my castle
@AkameGaKillfan777
@AkameGaKillfan777 День назад
​@@emmastokes64 That's one small side activity that gives you a random reward. Engage's mechanics like the Bond Rings and Skill system are designed to be mobile game focused.
@TotallyCluelessGamer
@TotallyCluelessGamer Месяц назад
Lyn is a blight upon FE7's reputation. She's not actually bad in the game(well combat wise she struggles), but her use as the default FE7 representative in crossovers is a problem. She's used for fanservice reasons alone and has basically no personality (can't have pesky loyalty to her family and friends getting in the way of the player's imaginary connection to her) which paints the game on the whole in a really poor light. Engage's use of former games heroes is actually just a soulless plug for Heroes and nobody will convince me otherwise. My favorite FE7 map is Battle Before Dawn. I can't help but laugh at the idea of Lief's Emblem giving you a chance to get money when killing enemies. The game where you specifically steal stuff from enemies rather than getting money and sellable items commonly, and its main lord gives you a chance to randomly gain money... it has to be a joke.
@elainasjournal5734
@elainasjournal5734 Месяц назад
Leif’s Blade in FE Awakening also has that same effect to get money after defeating the enemy, so why is it only a joke in Engage?
@TotallyCluelessGamer
@TotallyCluelessGamer Месяц назад
@@elainasjournal5734 Awakening wasn't the subject of the video, and I'm of the opinion that all of Awakening's shoddy cameos are a joke anyway.
@stadysugra1353
@stadysugra1353 24 дня назад
Fuck the guy who decided to make Leif the Vantage guy, made me cry
@A_Person_64
@A_Person_64 13 дней назад
Someone said he was designed with the bosses who use him in mind and it makes sense I think there's some strat where you keep at/under Bond support 10 so that certain skills work better?
@stadysugra1353
@stadysugra1353 12 дней назад
@@A_Person_64 That makes more sense, because the Adaptable skill only "works" if you don't have Master Lance, once you get Master Lance at Bond Lvl. 10 you're cooked 'cause that thing is heavy AF.
@hadoukenfighter
@hadoukenfighter Месяц назад
the FE6 map section I feel like is the strongest part of this video, It's crazy how lazy Lyn's map is compared to all the references and love put into something like Sigurd's map.
@A_Person_64
@A_Person_64 13 дней назад
I guess they really wanted a map based off Sacae for Lyn, but they really had a lot of good maps to choose from. Lyn mode map 7 with the switches, Lyn mode map 10 when she fights her granduncle, or even combining it with chapter 16 since they take place on different fronts of Castle Caelin. Or using chapter 17 which takes place inside the castle itself and is a very good map. For references, having minibosses in Sain (Lance Paladin), Kent (Sword Paladin), Florina (Lance Griffin) and Wil (Sniper) along with the 3 Soldiers as a group of Halberdiers from inside the Caelin Castle being assisted by a Bishop (Lucius) and I guess a cutscene where they talk to a Hero (Raven) stating that they don't like him to represent him going outside the jail cell and becoming a red unit to learn more on Hector.
@Aeoncalcos91
@Aeoncalcos91 6 часов назад
Thank you for saying what's been on my mind ever since I got the game. As someone who got into the Fire Emblem series through Path of Radiance and Radiant Dawn, it hurts to see how far the characterization and story telling in the series seems to have fallen. As much as I enjoy seeing Ike, Sorren and Micaiah again, there's a lot to them in their home games that is largely forgotten about. Plus, it seems like Intelligent Systems couldn't make up their minds on Ike and Sorren. They're meant to represent FE 9 specifically, but everything from their designs, to their music on maps is from FE 10, and while those two games are directly connected, it just feels like they're trying to please everyone. Engage already has Micaiah to represent Radiant Dawn, so wouldn't that mean Ike should be his younger and less experienced self then? The gameplay's fun, but I also enjoy Fire Emblem for its worlds, characters and stories. Engage misses that.
@artie6551
@artie6551 Месяц назад
Tokyo Mirage Sessions did already the idea of having Fire Emblem character as stances already and in my opinion, it was better done than this.
@ivanbluecool
@ivanbluecool Месяц назад
The problem with engage is not that the story is simple that most people either defend or destory when using it on their side of the argument. Simple stories can be great if they are executed well. But i wouldn't call it good in general Gameplay wise probably the best early maps I've played for fe with how fun the puzzles are to the game. After chapter 5 ir falls for me. Level scalers worst idea ever added. They should give hard levels for the maps especially the dlc where chapter 12 is where the dlc get harder while before you can play them and they don't level up. Don't know who likes this type of play where nothing you do matters.
@AverageJuliusEnjoyer
@AverageJuliusEnjoyer Месяц назад
wowwww. chapter 5. you're much harsher with engage than I am lol, but yeah I thought chapter 4 is always very interesting especially on maddening, but it's not my best map from engage. my fave map is defo like the griss chapter. FIRST TIME FOG OF WAR HAS BEEN FUN lol. chapter 5 is always a pain in the ass to me because of all the high speed myrmidons. nealuche is somewhat easy to bully since he Cavs outpace him so you can murder them first and then isolate nealuche. Hmmm I could go on and on about the maps from this game actually now that I think about it ( which is more than I can say for 3Hs or smth )
@ivanbluecool
@ivanbluecool Месяц назад
@@AverageJuliusEnjoyer I did like the map before losing the rings and how I found a way to get my early game to beat the dlc maps. Wish the sibling dlc maps were one and done so we didn't need to redo them in every playthrough. yeah 3h is just people saying the story and that thing is such a tragedy to play back. Arguments I hear are "you only play it once" when the first playthrough was bad enough with how much padding it has and that's without how part 1 in each path is basically the same thing. Story isn't even that dark. Just more direct about it. All the other Fe games are just as dark or darker just imply it better. It's definitely one of the worst games I played if not for some interesting story
@alpha_c.
@alpha_c. 20 дней назад
yooooo smt4a boss theme
@robertharp16
@robertharp16 Месяц назад
Bought this game day 1 and never finished it, gameplay elements aside the sheer contrast in character from the emblems never sat right with me
@MaDDaWg650
@MaDDaWg650 29 дней назад
I've always been narrative driven with Fire Emblem, which helps me enjoy the combat. I agree with how the story and characters (or lack thereof) created a disconnect with the combat, limiting the enjoyment. Granted, I'm sure there are two teams working on the gameplay and the story, so they probably weren't built together. Anyway, because of that disconnect, I had a tough time really enjoying the gameplay as I didn't like most of the characters and their motivations and how narrow the Emblem Rings were. Thanks for the analysis. I look forward to seeing the other ones.
@Speckmantelmade
@Speckmantelmade 27 дней назад
There were a few moments in the story that could have had an impact, but they came way too late for any involvement to happen. Why should I care about the villain sob story in chapter 20? They have been bland and annoying throughout the story, but suddenly I should care bc they had it bad too? I might have, if they were built up alongside the heroes, so it actually would have felt like a conflict to kill them. The cast is mostly bland as well. Most have one trait that gets repeated at nauseam in almost all their supports. I liked 4 characters out of the whole cast. The rest was filler as units to take along. The emblems are boiled down to what people might know about them from Heroes or from others mentioning about their games. Just like you said with Lyn. When they say farewell at the end, I knew what they would say before they said it. For example how Corrin would say sth about paths and Lucina would talk about the Future bla blah blah. The last chapter loaded in and I turned to my partner: “You wanna bet that they drop Sombron’s tragic backstory on us before the last map?” Lol and they did. It was ridiculous. I liked the colourful hair. Yay. And the fact that they didn’t restrict names. Played with Protagonist named Slut. It was a gift that kept on giving and the only thing that brought me through all of it. Thank God I borrowed this from a friend, would have been mad to have given IS money for that.
@AverageJuliusEnjoyer
@AverageJuliusEnjoyer 19 дней назад
which 4 characters did you like out of curiosity?
@Speckmantelmade
@Speckmantelmade 18 дней назад
@@AverageJuliusEnjoyer Panette, Pandreo, Amber and Merrin. I found Jade’s concept nice, and she had a few of the better supports. Loved Rosado’s design in Feh, but was a little disappointed that most of the supports were just him repeating how cute he is. Timerra and Fogado had amazing supports as siblings, but they did Timerra a little dirty in most of her other conversations. As for most of the characters, there was potential, but they kept them so one-dimensional with either food, muscles, training or “I am cute”, that I stopped caring. Which is a little sad, I like classic mode for the added “oh no my units”, but I felt I didn’t care nearly as much about keeping everyone alive as in older games.
@Sandstorm_150
@Sandstorm_150 Месяц назад
I think Engage is a perfectly fine game for what it is, but the point about Lyn's voice performance is so real. I've only played up to Chapter 13 of FE7, iirc (it's been a while), but Lyn, to me, comes off as someone who is driven and has some bite to her bark. But Engage makes her sound so dry and it pisses me off.
@A_Person_64
@A_Person_64 13 дней назад
Sadly the majority of the female emblems come across as samey for lack of a better term Even some of the guys, feels like none of them really want to be there. Also denying us of more cutscenes of them talking together is sad because there's so many interesting things that can be shown Marth/Caeda and Alm/Celica have canonically met, what was that like? SIGURD HAVING 0 CONVERSATIONS WITH HIS NEPHEW REALLY GRINDS MY GEARS INTELLIGENT SYSTEMS Poking mild fun about how Lyn just flat out doesn't exist in Roy's timeline of Elibian events Ephraim erasure no longer existing Ike and Micaiah not being on opposite sides and seeing better sides of each other Lucina actually meeting Marth and Celica as well and telling them about future Archanea and Valentia Have no idea what to write for Corrin lol The one thing that I can say is that at least Byleth spoke
@ricepatty5551
@ricepatty5551 20 дней назад
7:08 Everything here is fucking facts, but please bro, BBD on maddening engage would be AIDS, PLEASE DONT GIVE THEM IDEAS 🙏 🙏
@paladinslash4721
@paladinslash4721 Месяц назад
Three Houses also has some whack representation. What mechanics do you think to represent Houses. Combat arts? Gambits? Maybe he boosts class experience to represent his teaching? Nope, rallies and a super dance because that’s representative of Byleth. What about the map, maybe the chaotic three way of the battle of Eagle and Lion? No the crest stone map. Also the Edelgard, Dimitri, and Claude emblem didn’t even get a map. I have many beefs with Engage. But my biggest one is that it’s a BAD crossover game. You could replace the 12 emblems with the 12 crusaders from Genealogy and nothing would change.
@CGFillertext
@CGFillertext Месяц назад
Byleth having the dancer ability also robbed us of a potential Azura bracelet (or at least I feel like it did)
@seiryuumizukamiya3566
@seiryuumizukamiya3566 27 дней назад
​@@CGFillertextThey put the dance ganbit on Byleth because Camilla was already Chosen as Fates Representative*( data mined since game release )
@CGFillertext
@CGFillertext 27 дней назад
@@seiryuumizukamiya3566 that’s another problem, why is it camilla and not azura? camilla is too nohr focused
@MrsSetsuna101
@MrsSetsuna101 26 дней назад
​@@CGFillertextfan service, I bet
@MetalKing1417
@MetalKing1417 25 дней назад
@@CGFillertext Probably two reasons- first fanservice, and second gameplay. I mean we already had enough dancer stuff, but Camilla gives access to magic axes and a dedicated flier focused emblem.
@dimik6745
@dimik6745 20 дней назад
yeah i think it's really rough, how engage actually turned out, it saddens me how weird and baffling some of it's mistakes are, i think some small changes could go a really long way, but that is just wishful thinking on my part
@KANELIVES907
@KANELIVES907 Месяц назад
I had this problem too. I felt this way about all the Emblems, especially Hector. The only way I was able to power through the bastardization of the characters was to pretend that they were Einherjar. Soulless clones who have only a shred of the character they were based on. Engage is the only Fire Emblem game, possibly the only video game, where I sympathized and agreed with the main villain. Sombron just wanted to leave, same as I did.
@AverageJuliusEnjoyer
@AverageJuliusEnjoyer Месяц назад
How did they mess up Hector? I didn't buy the dlc cuz nahhhh. nel and rafal were bad but not that bad lol.
@KANELIVES907
@KANELIVES907 Месяц назад
@@AverageJuliusEnjoyer Same way they messed up Lyn. It's Heroes Hector, not FE7 Hector. Didn't play the Fell Xenologue. Had no wish to pick the game back up when it released. Heard the story was good but gameplay sucked so I don't think I'm missing anything.
@littlebabyman8494
@littlebabyman8494 24 дня назад
3:51 Flanderization? Missing the point? Such is the fate of character is gacha game hell.
@DoTtA1123
@DoTtA1123 16 дней назад
While i agree with most of your sentiments here in all fairness regarding Lyn we have a character who notoriously was sidelined in her own game... If we are going to complain about how she doesn't line up with her original game we have to acknowledge it wasnt a great portrayal to begin with. Actually, the fact that they felt the need to choose a fe6 map as her paralogue exactly shows how marginalized her role was in her own game... And honestly it was the right map they picked. Picking the pirate lane map or battle before dawn seems like it would only further the narrative that this game is a failure at celebrating the series, because those maps have no strong connection to just specifically...Lyn. moreover, i just want to defend fire emblem heroes for a sec. I dont play it, and never have, but personally ive quite enjoyed seeing how they portray the characters and the art/voice lines that come along with it. To me this whole "bastardization" and "flanderization" people have with specfic characters comes off like a bit of a virtue signal or a cope. Like bruh were talking about a character they went out of their way to add jiggle physics to in her og game in a era of unprecedented fan service. Another commenter on this video points how they like Lucina is being "waifu-ified' ... A character who her in og game can quite literally be S-supported... Anyways, i think alot of ideas of this game failed also, just wanted to get that off my chest.
@AverageJuliusEnjoyer
@AverageJuliusEnjoyer 16 дней назад
nope. lyn was not like that in fe 7, replay it and reread it. I come off as the biggest Lyn simp on the internet cuz people have forgotten the story of a game they played like 7 years ago.people think lyn is way worse written than she is because of heroes and because they were personally disappointed with her role in Elwood mode. Her character arc is largely complete after lyn mode. yeah they could've done more, but she's not a bad or bland character by any means. Like I say she is not just about grass and that this barely comes to play in fe 7. that was my point there that this is a shell of the character I like from lyn mode and her support conversations. that it is not consistent with fe 7 and bastardizes it. 2. those fun maps would be memorable for lyn still because she was there to experience them. I think the place being apart of the emblems character arc shouldn't matter. it would not make me like the rep more if the lyn map was one of the boring lyn mode chapters, I'm going to be 1000% real. Lyn is not representing JUST herself, she is representing FE 7, iso it is insane that nothing from fe 7 is present. that is the point of this video. ( Additonally, this logic doesn't hold. echoes map is not important to celica and neither was arena ferox important to lucina. they chose an fe 6 map for 7 for no reason basically )
@gingerkirk5855
@gingerkirk5855 Месяц назад
Engage also kinda looks worse imo because a different series 'love letter' was already written... Awakening (which saved the series). I feel like Engage took the safe route and made arbitrary decisions all over the place in an attempt to touch on so many different games. Here's a couple of them: 1. First and foremost, the Somniel is an inferior MyCastle/Monastery. MyCastle was customizable and there was strategy involved with placement, when to unlock stuff, who to build Corrin support with for class unlocks, etc. You could also just breeze through claiming the bonuses and barely spend time there. The Monastery (at least in Part 1) is an integral part of the 3H gameplay loop in a myriad of ways. The Somniel feels like they felt like they needed to do a Hub because the previous entries had one so they slapped some stuff in there. Most of the games obviously had no Hub. 2. They took the idea of the reclass systems and the skill systems from the recent prior games but tore them both to shreds. Units lost a lot of their "personal feel" with the ability to reclass into any class with few barriers. In Awakening/Fates, you were limited on class sets that only slightly expanded based on support choices (not even considering child units), but there was strategy on who to marry (both) and who to friend (Fates) for skill/class reasons. In 3H, there was vast reclassing available, but the characters had inherent proficiencies which threw wrenches into quick class changing (making Dimitri a Wyvern takes awhile, for example). I didn't like how the only bonus to reclassing in Engage was limited to secondary weapon proficiency in mixed classes (like Etie gets B bows in Warrior instead of C) Obviously the game from a mechanics perspective has come a long way since FE1, but overall the game feels like an attempt to be a safe middle ground to try and touch on as many games as possible, but in doing so feels very shallow touching on any in particular.
@Shalakor
@Shalakor Месяц назад
Yeah, even minor things end up getting botched. Like, the Somniel seems at first glance to be set up to cater to people who felt the Monastery was way too time consuming per visit (which, even if you are a life sim enjoyer, is a fair criticism), but then the loading screens gating play pace between each separate activity completely demolishes that in the long run. And then the few barriers to reclassing that there are feel entirely arbitrary. It's pretty dumb that there's basically only one line of classes you're barred from going into for the early game unless you have the DLC, and it isn't even a matter of it being an option that would be unbalanced to have too early given all the other resources available. And being punished for going level 20 in base classes was quite dumb, since in every other game when to promote has always been a balancing act between immediate gratification and gambling on long term planning. Having hidden internal levels, freely accessible infinite leveling, early promotion, and class-based growth rate bonuses together in the same game just doesn't work. being able to level really high only worked in Three Houses because the promoted classes were simply subject to level requirement floors with character levels replacing class levels, making it apparent on the face of things you're aiming to change classes as they become available. Knowing you should Always promote at level 10 in base classes for Engage requires meta knowledge not provided by any in-game source.
@JustsomeKid93
@JustsomeKid93 Месяц назад
While I generally agree with what you’re saying in regards to they’re handling of the older characters, I was a little put off when you mentioned at around 1:13 how the “accessibility removes from FE’s strategic roots” as I genuinely believe engage has some of the funnest, most engaging (haha) gameplay in the series, as well as a maddening mode which actually felt well balanced. I do think it’s worth pointing out that they couldn’t give too much spotlight to the older characters, as they would steal the show from the new cast but, yeah, they all feel like shells of the original characters they’re supposed to be
@AverageJuliusEnjoyer
@AverageJuliusEnjoyer Месяц назад
pre release things that I noticed. 10 uses of turn wheel / infinite uses on hard I think? there was also smth like you retain exp on defeat. just stuff I noticed from reviews and I was like... oh... edit: accidentally sent too early. I don't think they would've taken anything away. like in fate, the servants and masters have equal balance for relevance since the servant is kind of an extension of their master. They still feel like characters and not tools. Example of some story things that would've been nice touches and keeping the characters in tact. After Lyn kills Morion, she basically doesn't care even though she would be wrecked killing someone's parents given how she lost her own parents. It's super weird how yeah the characters are just tools to be used by the main characters instead of still being characters. Really it just would've been nice to see them making impact on the characters, world, and narrative in ways not related to their abilities. It definitely would've been nice if some of the emblems acted a mentor figures as well. I don't think mentorship takes spotlight away from the student. it's a passing of the torch if anything.
@RLCguy
@RLCguy 25 дней назад
Maddening only feels "balanced" because of fixed growths
@mr.vicega
@mr.vicega Месяц назад
i understand you so much, but this problem is more ¿universal? (sorry english is not my firt language so idk what word to use) than you think, im talking from a Ephraim fan.... (i dont think i have to explain more)
@AverageJuliusEnjoyer
@AverageJuliusEnjoyer Месяц назад
universal was the right word! also, I'm so sorry. yeah he is Eirika's little pitbull in engage really.
@Yoshixandir
@Yoshixandir 13 дней назад
I agree especially when 3 houses have all 3 of them talk yet eprhriam is silent and only says one line which makes zero sense since they do have the voice actor Greg chun who is already voice ike. They really couldn’t implement any way? Heck it makes it look like ephriam did nothing in his own game when he shares the spotlight with Erika
@ido5269
@ido5269 8 дней назад
@@AverageJuliusEnjoyer lmao now I'm imagining that GTA meme with Ephraim's head on the pitbull and Eirika holding the chain
@crimsonmars09
@crimsonmars09 9 дней назад
the celica outfit that you can put on alear is textured wrong and it bothers me a lot. the chestpiece is textured like fabric instead of metal, even though the sleeve bits are textured like armor. it's not a huge detail but it drives me nuts
@nathan7031
@nathan7031 Месяц назад
The most common feedback I've seen the game being given is that it has decent map design and gameplay but shit story. Like Fates - specifically Conquest. People defend this game cuz of the good gameplay, not cuz of the writing. Sure, there's some good lines of dialogue in the main campaign (the lategame boss quotes go hard for no reason but I welcome it LOL) and some ok supports but everything else is insultingly bad for what is supposed to be an anniversary games. The devs have admitted intentionally going in a different direction from 3H in interviews for Engage and I'm hoping they at least put it in their skulls that people want both good gameplay AND good writing in their SRPGs. Basically, if they just go with the 3H/Jugdral/Tellius slant but with the decent gameplay of Engage/Conquest/New Mystery, they'll have something good on their hands. In my humble opinion, they've had games with both decent gameplay and writing before - just take a look at FE3 Book 2, 5, 6 (not so much the main story writing - moreso on the supports), and parts of RD. Due to 3H's explosive impact, I do think we're going to be okay on the worldbuilding front at the very least for the next non-remake.
@nathan7031
@nathan7031 Месяц назад
(Adding another comment to clog up the previous one) There's also the fact that they potentially had 3 projects going on around the same time (what is labelled as "Iron18" in Engage's files, 3H, and Engage itself) probably didn't do them any favors on 3H and Engage's development already - let alone them just not knowing how to use the new Switch tech at the time. Of note, Three Houses infamously had a very troubled development cycle - to the point they had to outsource the actual programming and whatnot to KT after their initial draft (as shown in the initial trailer) fell through (Kusakihira still did the scenario writing for Silver Snow and they based off the rest of the writing off his base thereafter.) Engage has shown us that they've gotten over that tech hurdle thankfully and I personally think that Iron18 is the cancelled 3DS remake that was in the rumors that could've gotten moved to the Switch as a sort of swan song so to say for FE on the Switch.
@wiz_7130
@wiz_7130 Месяц назад
When I first saw the title of the video I thought you were kinda crazy to say that hut after watching I do kind of agree. I haven't played many fe games so I didn't feel as attached to the emblems as you may have, so I totally understand how seeing Lyn from feh and not fe7 would be sad. I know the emblems are a big part of the game but I do still think the game has a lot of love in it just maybe not in all the right places lol
@devino125
@devino125 19 дней назад
It was kinda odd how every paralouge just weirdly happens to look like a place were the rings come from i wish paralouges were more for getting new unit's items etc to add some more replay value Fates did that like they would utalize flesh out the various dynamics the fathers had with their kids with a little story etc not even talking about the customization there..here its like theres not much replay value it seems i guess you learn about an older game but lol
@AverageJuliusEnjoyer
@AverageJuliusEnjoyer 19 дней назад
yeah I think getting all the units from the story and like all of them being retainers is a littleee lame. wish the cast was more varied
@macaroon2314
@macaroon2314 Месяц назад
10:08, you don’t get it, they had to sell the Tiki DLC ring!!!! Aptitude on everyone instead of balanced growth boosters that differ per class type😢 (E.g. Mystical get the Ced scroll). I feel like the FCM mechanic would be easy to implement as a sync skill but what do I know🙄
@AverageJuliusEnjoyer
@AverageJuliusEnjoyer Месяц назад
god the engage day 1 dlc pisses me off so much. you're probably onto smth with the tiki emblem.
@littlebabyman8494
@littlebabyman8494 24 дня назад
2:38 Wow, that’s a rare sight to see.
@artie6551
@artie6551 Месяц назад
Game animations 8/10 | Plot: 1/10 Customization 4/10 | Relationship dynamics: 6/10 Characters Design 3/10 | Music: 5/10 (I don't remember a single track but I don't think they were bad at all) Overall: 4.5/10 Almost not worthy.
@Shalakor
@Shalakor Месяц назад
I find the "don't remember a Single track" a bit hard to believe. Like, even if someone doesn't agree with the general consensus that the Solm/desert theme is enjoyable, the fact that it plays for multiple maps in a row while being stylistically distinct from other tracks should have made it pretty objectively hard to forget. ...Not discounting your opinion as a whole, just nitpicking that detail.
@artie6551
@artie6551 Месяц назад
@@Shalakor I can tell you I still remember lot of tracas from Fire Emblem Fates, I could sing Nemesis theme from Fire Emblem Three Houses, I could also remember Shadow Dragon's tracks or March to deliverance from Shadows of Valentia, but Engage? Not even the basic combat song. I swear. I just don't remember. Which is a really bad sign.
@Shalakor
@Shalakor Месяц назад
@@artie6551 Admittedly, Video Game soundtracks can be heavily effected by how well you connect to the elements they're accompanying, so if the game as a whole is disappointing someone it can easily lead to the music being ignored or blocked out by their memories. I'm not saying the music is the best thing ever, but not being able to memorize it probably says more about the game as a whole that about the music itself. Might want to listen to the soundtrack by itself to see if there's any gems your brain overlooked. Or don't, and just hope the next game does better.
@Yoshixandir
@Yoshixandir 13 дней назад
@@artie6551what doesn’t help is you can’t listen to the full song until you do swarms because your force to listen to enemy music phase you can’t turn it off until you beat the level the first time around.
@AkameGaKillfan777
@AkameGaKillfan777 День назад
​@@Shalakor I only remember a few songs for the wrong reasons, like the Firene map theme almost plagiarizing Hedwig's theme from Harry Potter and the 4 Hounds boss theme sounding a lot like the Time Eater from Sonic Generations.
@lucarioiso6185
@lucarioiso6185 3 дня назад
The worst thing said in this video is that your opinion may be controversial
@RLCguy
@RLCguy 25 дней назад
Engage is very much like the Star Wars sequels, or Marvel Phase 4, or Disney's Wish: sure, there are redeemable qualities, but attempting to defend these products for those qualities is just trying to justify work done by a committee room that simply does not care. More effort is put into defending and justifying these soulless cashgrabs than the original creators put into making them. I am seriously vindicated by this video, especially when you recognized that "references =/= soul". Any company can regurgitate a reference bible that its fans can clap like disabled seals at, but something with actual love put in can use these references in a fun and interesting way rather than just exploiting them for "hey look, a thing you like". The closest Engage ever gets to doing the latter is in the gameplay of the emblems, which do have clever and fun callbacks to their origin games... until you get to Lyn and it's more regurgitated Heroes shit, but hey, Engage needs all the good points it can get, because it deserves very few.
@Robomori
@Robomori Месяц назад
I don't have a lot to say but just wanted to say this was a kino vid, keep it up :))
@AverageJuliusEnjoyer
@AverageJuliusEnjoyer Месяц назад
thank youuuu. this made me so happy!
@Jfernandez02
@Jfernandez02 6 дней назад
I keep acting like its actually a spin off instead of a mainline because what the hell is that
@naotoueda2838
@naotoueda2838 Месяц назад
I agree about fe7, but I hate FE7 story and gameplay for personal taste on what I want in a FE, so it didnt bothered me how Lyn was treated . The only point I disagree is your map choices. I think Lyn's mode final map is a better fit in her story arc than battle before dawn. About Leif, what they did is mixing his FE4 and FE5 appearance. Having access to all weapons(except magic in engage) is a reference to the master knight class in fe4 and the skill adaptability is a referenece to fe4 bosses changing weapons.. Leif getting vantage represents the first game where vantage always attack first, except that it does have health% condition in engage to balance the skill. However, vantage ++ condition is being under 75%, being almost close to always activate from thracia.
@AverageJuliusEnjoyer
@AverageJuliusEnjoyer Месяц назад
so my take about that is that I don't think it had to fit any character arc at all. I think Lyn being there is enough since she would've had memories of it to share with new and old players alike. I just would've preferred a fun map than the boring ass Lungren map which I wouldn't have cared about. I think saving Prince Zephiel and tussling with Ursula would've had a strong impact on Lyn so it wouldn't have been super out of character to mention. Also, Leif doesn't even have vantage.... why wouldn't they give him the skills he has in Thracian then???? which is adept
@pksprite6401
@pksprite6401 8 дней назад
@@AverageJuliusEnjoyerLeif is pretty bad at capturing, since his con is kinda low. So why should he be able to capture?
@norikins1
@norikins1 Месяц назад
A year back in speculation about the emblem of foundations' identity (most subscribed theory at the time was it was series creator Shouzou Kaga) I said this: "Cringegage did classic characters dirty, using them as literal tools for Mary Sue/Gary Stu Alear, constantly bootlicking them, then having them make the already a god Alear into the loving “Fire Emblem” and all kill themselves at the end to save a world no one gives a poo poo about due to the lovely characters and worldbuilding. Cringegage is far, far worse than the Star Wars sequels. If the emblem of foundations really is Kaga, what a way to gently caress over fans of the classics."
@paladinslash4721
@paladinslash4721 Месяц назад
The Kaga theory makes Sombron look like a bitter Kaga fan.
@ultimate_pleb
@ultimate_pleb 19 дней назад
WHERE'S THE LLLLLOOOOOOOOVVVVVVVVVEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@sparkyndoggo7937
@sparkyndoggo7937 Месяц назад
I'm still ticked about them choosing Camilla over Azura as the fates DLC represenative, though I got Veronica so I don't actively complain that much
@sparkyndoggo7937
@sparkyndoggo7937 Месяц назад
I do find Ike and Sorren hilarious in Engage though so I'm chill, I got it to see the new characters anyways, I might end up ranting in this comment thread and using it as future reference for if I do a video on FE Engage
@origami5609
@origami5609 13 дней назад
>filtered >cope and complain in youtube (lol.
@adventuresteamstudios242
@adventuresteamstudios242 28 дней назад
Fire Emblem Engage and Sonic Generations have both the same problems: They are both anniversary titles, they both have good gameplay and music, but they both suffer from a bland story and poor characterization, the only difference is that Engage tries to take it self abit serious where Generations was.....just......there
@AverageJuliusEnjoyer
@AverageJuliusEnjoyer 28 дней назад
COOKED. I HAVE BEEN A SONIC FAN ALL MY LIFE AND I SAID THE SAME THING LITERALLY LAST WEEK.
@AkameGaKillfan777
@AkameGaKillfan777 День назад
Except that Sonic Generations actually makes it clear this is an anniversary game to the average player. Where does Engage say it's an anniversary game besides one leak that was easy to not believe because of how awful it looked?
@flamingcheese4650
@flamingcheese4650 14 дней назад
My younger sister's first FE game was Path of Radiance. She bought the collect's edition for most of the FE games released after that(yes, even Fates). However, she absolutely refuses to buy Engage and I am worried about the future of the series. In the meantime, I am playing Fates Revelation and Warriors as a favor for a friend.
@Sandstorm_150
@Sandstorm_150 5 дней назад
How's Fates Rev so far? That game's on my 'to play' list rn and I wanna know what to expect. I thought Birthright was the most boring sack of shit I've ever touched with only Takumi and the second Camilla map being notable, whereas Conquest had fun maps and gimmicks for the first 3/4ths before making me wanna kms in the last 1/4th. How does Rev fair in comparison?
@flamingcheese4650
@flamingcheese4650 5 дней назад
@@Sandstorm_150 Rev is nice as you can play as both Xander and Ryoma, who are two of the most broken units ever. Though do keep in mind you cannot save in between Chapters 17 and 18, so be sure to have plenty of time. The Valla stages require some planning ahead of time. I even prefer it any day over Engage because I miss the old sprite art. And Xander is even cooler in FEW.
@joeyjose727
@joeyjose727 Месяц назад
As someone who’s never played any FE games besides the Fodlan games, I can’t speak to any of the characterization of past lords. But I definitely don’t feel like I know them very well lol. I hear some people say there’s some lacking portrayals of Micaiah or Lyn, but again I wouldn’t know I think Byleth and the house leaders are done pretty well and clearly had a lot of love put into them, both mechanically and in bond convos Excited to hear your other thoughts on the series 🙏
@LuiBei1994
@LuiBei1994 Месяц назад
If the entire cast didn't look like they were about to say dumb shit on Twitter after watching hasbin hotel while writing an article for the Chara defense squad from undertale. I'd give it a shot
@AkameGaKillfan777
@AkameGaKillfan777 День назад
God this is too funny
@maverick5169
@maverick5169 Месяц назад
In the gameplay mechanics and map design
@AkameGaKillfan777
@AkameGaKillfan777 День назад
Many of these are just modified Heroes mechanics or mobile like in different aspects
@bravetree
@bravetree Месяц назад
The Xenoblade 3 comparison was something I didn't even think about. Seeing places I recognized from Xeno 1 and 2 was one of the most fun parts of that game. Even seeing how Shulk and Rex evolved from their OG games was cool. (except for like the fact that Mio is Rex's kid that's dumb)
@AverageJuliusEnjoyer
@AverageJuliusEnjoyer Месяц назад
reallllll! most worthless twist. but I hope Dirk in Mythra's kid. that would be hilarious. have you seen that theory?
@bravetree
@bravetree Месяц назад
@@AverageJuliusEnjoyer I've never heard of that theory but to be the idea is so absurd that it's kind of funny.
@AverageJuliusEnjoyer
@AverageJuliusEnjoyer Месяц назад
@@bravetree the evidence is hair colors, him being agnian, his name being dirk which also means king like rex's. I love this theory cuz it pisses shippers off. I find it super funny.
@Alban_Blade_Memer
@Alban_Blade_Memer Месяц назад
It was the reason why so poeple waited for the art book. It was for having a glimpse of Mythra kid design. We get an old dirk concept art but since there was one with pneuma core on Mio its not totally unvalidated even if it's probably a head canon​@@bravetree
@TheTrains13
@TheTrains13 Месяц назад
What exactly is dumb about m being nia and rex's kid
@noirscafe6988
@noirscafe6988 Месяц назад
I would recommend Unicorn Overlord! It gave me the “feeling” of playing FE on the GBA/Awakening for the first time. It’s strategic and plays more like Ogre Battle, BUT it was such an incredibly fun game
@VuNguyen-fv5jl
@VuNguyen-fv5jl Месяц назад
Engage’s remix songs and gameplay was totally peak
@AverageJuliusEnjoyer
@AverageJuliusEnjoyer Месяц назад
I'm not a HUGE fan of just putting in electric guitars and calling it a day, but yeah the FE 7 remix song made me smile sometimes. Mila's Divine Protection ruined my electric guitars tho. gameplay was b tier imo. just needed more time in the oven but tons of potential!
@davidtowers1863
@davidtowers1863 Месяц назад
​@@AverageJuliusEnjoyerThe fuck else did you want? It's the best its ever been. The weapon triangle is a vital consideration, you have classes properly filling their roles, you have the base management, you have units with strong identity as a result, the best collection of staves in the franchise, internal weapons variety, dozens of means of customisation, well tuned difficulty, excellent maps, all of it looks fantastic, the difficulty is fair but enough to make you think, emblems are great at making your turn to turn decision making and resource management interesting without needing breakable weapons, skills that dynamically interact with classes, environments and combat, multi target staves, great crit animations and the pros and cons of engage attacks, chains are a great mechanic as well, even smash on the rare times you need it.
@AverageJuliusEnjoyer
@AverageJuliusEnjoyer Месяц назад
@@davidtowers1863 b tier is a passing grade in all places in the world. This is getting a bitttt too defensive when I overall have positive feelings about the gameplay. 🤣
@davidtowers1863
@davidtowers1863 Месяц назад
@@AverageJuliusEnjoyer Calling the series best gameplay engine a passing grade sounds to me like someone who enjoys the series casually
@AverageJuliusEnjoyer
@AverageJuliusEnjoyer Месяц назад
​@@davidtowers1863 nah I'm just not dick riding. it's a good game tho.
@xenofes2
@xenofes2 Месяц назад
Yeah, FE5 and FE7 were definitely some of the more shafted games. But it could be worse. FE Warriors showed us what would happen if they tried to make the actual characters come together in a single story, and it wasn't great. FEH Lyn got added to that one as a post-game afterthought, and most games weren't represented at all. Keeping the connections to past games pretty simple was probably a good idea. It's definitely better than how the Awakening DLC presented past characters so inaccurately. I do think other games were represented with more love. FE4 and Tellius are the clear standouts to me, and I think they did them pretty well. But also I just found it really funny that Lyn's paralogue map wasn't from her game. I don't think FE7 has many iconic maps tbh. Battle before dawn maybe, but Lyn doesn't have high stakes there. Dread Isle maybe, since she has a small connection with Uhai, but the map itself is meh. The distant plains makes the most sense, but without weather that map would take no time at all, and nobody would want weather in Engage. Noble lady of Caelin would also make sense, but it's another pretty bland map. I really don't think they should've gone with an FE6 map just because it's Sacae, but they didn't have any great options in FE7 for her in my opinion.
@AverageJuliusEnjoyer
@AverageJuliusEnjoyer Месяц назад
just takes a talented writer imo. it's kinda crazy that yeah they are just tools and their personalities and histories have no impact on the world at all. Maybe Leif for example could've said smth to Ivy which would've made her reconsider her allegiance to Hyacinth CUZ LEIF HAS A TONGUE ON HIM SOMETIMES. A true dog. How does Lyn feel about taking someone's parent away from them like what happened to her? All of these elements are missing and it's just bad. There's plenty of ways they could've made impact without being shoehorned in and it seamlessly flow. there just was no thought put into it really. they should still be characters is my point, not tools. As for the Lyn paralogue, I personally don't care if Lyn didn't have stakes in battle before dawn. What does that gotta do with representing FE 7? It's not really about her. Also, she was still there and still had memories of it that she can share with new and old players alike. it would still mean something to her because I mean saving prince Zephiel from an assassination attempt and getting shat on by Ursula would yeah have an impact but fe 7 writing is PLOT and writing MID so yeah.
@SinNun-tx5jp
@SinNun-tx5jp Месяц назад
Weird you say Engage doesn't have any FE5 nor FE7 flavor, since it has what it matters the most from them, thier essence of being terrible games!
@AverageJuliusEnjoyer
@AverageJuliusEnjoyer Месяц назад
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@Hawkatana
@Hawkatana Месяц назад
Tell me you never played Thracia or Blazing Blade without telling me you never played Thracia or Blazing Blade.
@geoshmeo1900
@geoshmeo1900 8 дней назад
Ah yes, the anniversary game that released *checks notes* 3 years after the 30th anniversary, where they celebrated by releasing FE1 in english for the first time. Makes perfect sense! I feel like both of the major "critiques" in this video feel more like nitpicks than actual criticism. Like, i really don't think lyn is THAT mischaracterized to begin with (still a bit mischaracterized), much less why they would need to add thracia mechanics in a game that really doesn't need them.
@AverageJuliusEnjoyer
@AverageJuliusEnjoyer 8 дней назад
are you slow? engage was an anni game and meant as a celebration of FE's history. 😂and yeah not really nitpicks just glaring issues. I just don't care about every game in the series so I wasn't gonna pretend to care in my personal essay. the game was a flop to me since fe 7 and fe 5 are not represented as they should've been. I explained it rather well how this didn't make me feel seen as a fan of the series. PERSONAL ESSAY I MIGHT ADD, so this was not meant to be an all encompassing argument about how all the fan service is handled. this is not to say nothing was wrong with echoes fan service or sacred stones fan service,. PLENTY IS AMISS but I am much more passionate about my favorite games in the series, so I wanted to talk about those. this was a more fun video for me to make. like??? Additionally, the game didn't need Thracia mechanics, but it needed fe 4 ones for Leif?? bffr.
@geoshmeo1900
@geoshmeo1900 8 дней назад
@@AverageJuliusEnjoyer It is most definitely not an anniversary game, a celebration game, potentially yes, but that is not necessarily the same thing. Had it been an anniversary game, it would've been released on a notable anniversary year instead of randomly 33 years after FE1. That much is a fact. Those are most definitely nitpicks, if I wanted to I can complain about how the game doesn't represent magic properly like FE9 and 10 did, or how it does not accurately represent pair up and tag team like from FE13 and 14, or how the paralogue maps aren't accurate representations of all the maps they are representing or their games. This game can have whatever mechanics it wants as long as it still holds the FE core at the end of the day (e.g., fates and 3h). I could go on, but none of these actually affect the quality of the game because at the end of the day, these are just nitpicks. There is obvious evidence that there was a lot of love put into the game, even if I have problems with its simple story (not a downright terrible story but VERY simple) I still wouldn't say its missing something aside from a better story.
@AverageJuliusEnjoyer
@AverageJuliusEnjoyer 8 дней назад
@@geoshmeo1900 COVID 19!!!! IT WAS DELAYED. THIS GAME WAS DONE FOR YEARS. Thea leaks said it was an anni title. the leak also said it was done for years. Lucina does represent pair up tho. That's what bonded shield is. And Corbin's whole abilities is based on dragon veins. THERE'S NOTHING FOR THRACIA. PERIOD. so that's not a good equivalency. nobody said it was a bad game cuz the fan service is ass. this video ix about the fan service. wtf. this video is not about gameplay. it'll talk about gameplay later.
@geoshmeo1900
@geoshmeo1900 8 дней назад
@@AverageJuliusEnjoyer my brother in christ, not only did this game start development at the same time as 3H, but the 30th anniversary would've happened in 2020. Covid-19 would not have affected the final product too much (much less make it release a while 3 years after the anniversary) Bonded shield is nothing at all like pair up, especially with how it works in Awakening. Dual Assist is something similar, but neither are at all what Pair up is like in those games. Dragon veins ARE NOT AT ALL similar to how they are in Fates. They are completely different in Engage, but its a unique concept. As for leif himself, the fact leif is proficient in most weapon types in Thracia is what was chosen (seeing as how adaptable plays into that as well as the fact he gives almost every type of weapon proficiency). All of those take aspects of the games and characters and translate them into Engage without completely overhauling and changing the complete identity of Engage (which is exactly what you are asking for). Again, saying this game has no heart is such baloney when this game is so fucking full of heart.
@AverageJuliusEnjoyer
@AverageJuliusEnjoyer 8 дней назад
@@geoshmeo1900 also, you don't understand game development. if it started development same time as 3Hs it's logical that it would've had a 2020 release date? hello? I'm not saying it has to exactly be like Thracia. did you even like watch my proposals for how to make Leif represent Thracia. I would've loved something that's like bonded shield but nothing is there. the shit that's there is from fe 4 since Leif can use all the weapons in fe 4. that';s his thing there. who asked for complete overhauls. this is an actual straw man. I'm done with this conversation.
@pksprite6401
@pksprite6401 8 дней назад
If FE7 had anything special or unique in it, they’d have represented it. Boring ass game. And Lyn is just as boring in Engage as she is in FE7. Engage having to use an FE6 map for Lyn is more of a testament to how FE7 doesn’t have anything to do with Lyn, other than the boring tutorial mode with maps much too simple to be used.
@mintx1720
@mintx1720 13 дней назад
It is impossible for a design by committee game like modern FE to have love in it, because nobody is actually responsible for a game like this. Even for 3h, most of the content is fannon not cannon.
@chromxrobinandcorrinxcamil9031
@chromxrobinandcorrinxcamil9031 Месяц назад
We truly stan Disengage hate.
@dragocrafterr8286
@dragocrafterr8286 9 дней назад
Only here because I’ve seen so many posts about this vid 😭 Imo engage has sovl and agree to disagree
@chromxrobinandcorrinxcamil9031
@chromxrobinandcorrinxcamil9031 Месяц назад
Oh... look at that. The Disengage simps are going apeshit over this video because their "pwecious wittle" game is being "abused"...
@AverageJuliusEnjoyer
@AverageJuliusEnjoyer Месяц назад
seriously? where?
@chromxrobinandcorrinxcamil9031
@chromxrobinandcorrinxcamil9031 Месяц назад
@@AverageJuliusEnjoyer A certain Discord server I'm on.:/
@AverageJuliusEnjoyer
@AverageJuliusEnjoyer Месяц назад
@@chromxrobinandcorrinxcamil9031 ah mannn. I was hoping I would get to see it for myself.
@chromxrobinandcorrinxcamil9031
@chromxrobinandcorrinxcamil9031 Месяц назад
@@AverageJuliusEnjoyer Oof, rip. I mean... I could show screenshots, but you can't post images here.
@chromxrobinandcorrinxcamil9031
@chromxrobinandcorrinxcamil9031 Месяц назад
@@AverageJuliusEnjoyer Also, links get taken down in comments.:/
@AbelMusa
@AbelMusa Месяц назад
It's truly disheartening to witness the direction the series has taken. However, for fans like myself who hold the Tellius duology dear, it's important to acknowledge that those games, along with Kaga's era remakes, struggled so much that the series was on the brink of collapse. Regrettably, what revitalized it were the introduction of dating sim elements, waifus, and other divisive features starting from Awakening onwards. Now, with the undeniable financial success of the mobile game and its inclusion of bikini costumes, we're forced to come to terms with the fact that the Fire Emblem we once cherished is a thing of the past.
@ivanbluecool
@ivanbluecool Месяц назад
I didn't like Xenoblade Chronicles 3. It's all a massive sandbox and each area is just the same. Thats without bringing up how much potential the story could have but never reaches it each time. ONLY thing i remember is the accents being so heavy Gameplay wise wish they let you use partner skills to make break combos better. 3 i like they gave ys 7 units to play with. The dlc is pretty much bait. Especially to the rex defenders who think a sequel dlc sequel fixes his bore of a character somehow. Yeah if a sequel game can write an mc better than his base game it means the game sucked and that's before 2 having such a bad system.
@AverageJuliusEnjoyer
@AverageJuliusEnjoyer Месяц назад
I disagree. I loved the section where you get the boat. it was super dope. there's some platforming you have to do in that area and you can get stuff ahead of time if you know how to platform. I wish they went full send with the platforming tho (THE SONIC ADVENTURE 2 RAILS HOW COULD YOU FORGET. makes me excited) . it's cool finding all the treasures but they're not THAT crazy gameplay wise. I wish you got more of a reward for finding all the seven treasures in that area. I also got some item from the poison marsh before you get segiri cuz I thought oh you have to do it like this, so that was fun. Def have plenty of memories of exploration with this game. ALSO YEAH THE STORY. Man it fell off so hard after Chapter 6. Chapter 6 intro scene made me cry but the ending had me rolling my eyes and wanting to press skip. I preferred when 3 did its own thing versus trying really hard to incorporate 1 and 2. just feels batty and stupid. why is nia a queen? why is mio rex's kid? just dumbness. her being rex's kid doesn't even change anything or become relevant, so yeah I'm mixed on XC3. only XC game that doesn't leave me mixed is Torna and XC1 but I'll take what I can get.
@ivanbluecool
@ivanbluecool Месяц назад
@@AverageJuliusEnjoyer yeah the issue is how a perfect game is inside these games. One I enjoyed the beginning where you lose a friend showing the world is dangerous. Shulk and his buddy being simple worked great but it never went much anywhere until the shulk reveal which is great but felt too little too late. The cast is so static they never really change or develop. X3 I liked the beginning very much but they sorta just ham fist it when pairing the characters together rather than letting it be natural. The backstory of mio and Noah I liked but that should have been the story we were following instead. Gameplay wise it feels you are either getting one shot(a few levels below the enemy) or they are being bullied if you are a few levels above the boss. Point is. I want this series to succeed more in gameplay and story. They got the ideas they just need to make it work better.
@Alban_Blade_Memer
@Alban_Blade_Memer Месяц назад
Future redeemed doesn't fix Rex at all. Rex was already a great character in xenoblade 2 from a thematic perspective but I don't have much time to defend it as much I would like.
@AverageJuliusEnjoyer
@AverageJuliusEnjoyer Месяц назад
@@ivanbluecool dude people were making me feel like a WEIRDO for not caring about the Noah and mio romance. it was one of the eye roll inducing things about the ending. it didn't get enough development. its defo felt like well in a past life they were fucking so they gotta be in this one! One thing that blew me back was how Noah and Mia learned they had a CHILD in a past life and were married and didn't discuss about what that means and how they feel about it. Instant garbo romance. The characters just don't feel real at that point. Also, Mia wanting Noah to have her legacy, the flute, doesn't mean she was romantically interested in him. I feel like it's only natural to be close with the person who knows you better than anyone else thanks to the Ouroboros power. Them learning what love and romance is isn't really explored either. her saying "my Noah" is not enough lmao.
@ivanbluecool
@ivanbluecool Месяц назад
@@AverageJuliusEnjoyer well most of the most is basically static to love or romance. I mean the op of the game has Noah and co bathing together and nobody reacts to anything. Also strange that they can reincarnate fast enough to see their son as an old man. At that point leave yourself some letters or something before passing on and coming back.
@LunaAndPals
@LunaAndPals 8 дней назад
Lyn is honestly better in engage than in Fe7. At least lyn has a character in engage. Also I can’t disagree more with your video. I’ve played every game in the franchsie spin-offs Includes and I love how all the emblems were handled with a few exceptions like Ephraim. My word of advice fam? Don’t use clickbait titles like this. It detracts people from watching a generally well made video.
@AverageJuliusEnjoyer
@AverageJuliusEnjoyer 8 дней назад
Brother, it's not clickbait. I believe my thumbnail. loveless = no heart.
@LunaAndPals
@LunaAndPals 8 дней назад
@@AverageJuliusEnjoyer it is. If the thumbnail is misleading about things related to the video itself it’s clickbait. That’s by definition.
@AkameGaKillfan777
@AkameGaKillfan777 День назад
​​@@LunaAndPals No she's right, this game is soulless. It's even more apparent when reading developer interviews.
@emmastokes64
@emmastokes64 Месяц назад
Dumb video. It's just you complaining about Thracia and Blazing sword
@AverageJuliusEnjoyer
@AverageJuliusEnjoyer Месяц назад
it's an anni game + a personal essay. fe 7 and fe 5 representation is the subject of the video because it's all I can personally speak on. I'm not gonna pretend to be personally offended about fe 8 representation but that's also shit. I wasn't gonna go through how every game is not represented well cuz I can't speak those things, but a lot of those are also shit. I GAVE the perspective from which I am speaking, so you can't just negate the points with "I don't like this personal perspective". actually talk about how I'm wrong from my own perspective to negate my points. also, yes I'm gonna complain about the game which is about representing legacy characters failing to do that. get your head out of your ass. read the other comments of other people saying the same thing about their fave games.
@ItalienJackass3647
@ItalienJackass3647 Месяц назад
I remember seeing Eirika after so long playing through Engage, which I basically just look at my phone whenever any cutscenes happened. And then I realize, it was... THAT Eirika. The goody two-shoe scared little princess who is nervous around her brother. You know, THAT Eirkia, from Heroes. I remember Eirika for being a secluded, princess badass who feels like while fighting is pointless, she has to do it and have to accept it. And usually like to clash with Ephraim as equal instead of being inferior to him. But still very naive and flawed deep down. THAT Eirkia, which obviously, isn't profitable. Waifunize Eirkia pretty much has hard as Lyn or Celica to me. But yeah, this is my personal example from my personal favorite game. Great video, always feels like the "representation" in Engage feels... shallow sometimes. And this proves my thoughts about it. PS: My god, FE 5 is also a GOAT and man, Leif and his own damn game has been done so dirty.
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