Where The Old Testament Teaches Penal Substitution 

Hello Mike, im a 7th Day Adventist, and on the last few weeks I have watched a lot of your content. Let me tell you that I really respect and apreciate what you do, teaching the bible from the bible, going deeper, exposing false doctrines and cults; even if we disagree in some points. I have specially found your videos on Chatolic, JW, Mormon, and Church of God enligthening. Would you consider doing a study on the 7th Day Adventist Church and Ellen White? I would like to know your perspective. Thank you, and God bless you.

This is the kind of stuff Christians need to learn to better understand what we believe in. This is what was preached in the early church and it’s awesome to hear it today also. Excited to learn more and share it with others!

4 years later and your teachings are helping a young Christian here in the state of KY at 1am. Thank you for your teachings!!!

I just had a chance to finish watching and what I am left with is a great sense of thankfulness!

The whole book of Hebrews is like BAM BAM BAM, hitting you with absolutely golden wisdom and insight. It’s just jam packed with Godly goodness. I love it so much.

Thanks Mike. These biblical deviations can only come from satan, who's sole desire is to deny humans the gift of salvation. May God help us.

"It's all about Jesus!" AMEN brother! Thank you so much for this, what a blessing. 🙏🏻❤️

Thank you Mike for doing this important series, even if it is not as popular as some other topics. This is really important, and it's blessing me a lot, thank you so much!

This is my favorite series on RU-vid. Thanks for the effort, Mike. Thanks for glorifying our Father in Heaven and the Lord Jesus Christ !

While it is still October, I want to wish you a Happy Pastor's Appreciation! I appreciate your teaching of the truth so much!

I have tried to listen to other perspectives on the atonement, and each time I listen they never answer the question of why Jesus had to die and what that means. Hebrews is awesome to gain understanding of, not only they "how", but the "why." Love this series. Thank you

I can't thank you enough for what I learn with you. I love the way you explain things. You are thorough in every way. God bless you, and keep you safe. 🔥🔥🔥

I love that I just read an article on X denying penal substitution and I can just go on RU-vid and watch this video that was posted 4 years ago elaborately confirming what I already knew was true. Thanks Mike! You’re awesome!!!

Thank you for your thorough teaching. It takes much study and thought. I appreciate your taking the time and then explaining the topic so well.

This was very good,learned a lot.Thankyou

Indeed we are waiting for HIM eagerly.

It is just beautiful to me to hear Christ through the lens of the OT. I need to watch your series on Christ in the OT. This is such a blessing especially as we approach Passover and Easter to more fully understand what Christ has done.

You explain things so well Pastor Mike! Thank you for everything you do and the information you give to us Christians looking for the words to explain our beliefs. These videos have been a very valuable tool for me as a new Christian to strengthen my understanding of God's word. This all seems so basic, and it is quite crazy in my mind that people will not accept this knowing it is straight from the BIBLE?! God bless you!

i strongly admire your fidelity to context and truth.

This is good. Thanks so much for your hard work. This is hard for modern Christians to hear but so needed. I needed to hear this. God bless you!

🤔 I may have to listen to this 2 or 10 times to get the whole scope of this. Thank you a good think!

How does the passover sacrifice involve a penal element? The animal was killed, sacrificed, but I don't think you can scripturally say that the lamb was punished.

Ok I just want to say I didn’t know this was something that is under debate, I didn’t know there was a term for it. BUT it is crazy that you have to go through at this depth and teach that this is what it means. That is the most basic tenet in Christianity that Jesus died to take our place! I’m flabbergasted...

It is beyond me how anyone doesn't understand this topic from a Biblical stand point... Unless that is you're just trying to get out of being held accountable for your sin. Praise Yeshua Hamashiach, our Savior Jesus Christ, who selflessly suffered until death on a cross and rose on the third day in accordance with the Word. His love for us is humbling to say the least.

There is a Catholic program called Called to Communion in which David Anders continues to deny the substitutionary atonement of our salvation. This video is really helpful to justify Protestant's view of this concept. In attempting to refute his idea I do think Isaiah 53 is the best source text but the idea of the scapegoat which you teach about here really hammers this notion home. Thank you!

Praise God for both his love and justice displayed in the cross of Christ. Atonement is one of the main differences between Christianity and other religions. In Christianity God offers atonement and shows his justice in loving those believing in His Son. Romans 3:25. Good and much needed biblical clarification Mike. 👍

Watching these videos and I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around the argument against penal substitution! I didn't realize this was even a question, & googled opposing views so i could understand what is going on here!... But thank you for the in depth recap... You know, of basically the entire bible haha 😁😂

Great study, Mike! Appreciate your in-depth treatment of the topic. Your studies grow my knowledge every time. Thank you!

I think its important that we know the elemental things and reasons behind our Lords sacrifice, thank you for doing these videos

Listened to this again and it was soooo good. I think that what bothers me about those who reject PSA is that they fail to tell me why Jesus had to die. If God can simply forgive then there was no need for Christ to die. I haven't heard a good argument on this from their camp as to why Jesus died. It did my heart so much good to listen to this again because of the "attack" and "belittling" for believing in this doctrine. Bless you!!!

Every time i watch these videos I’m not sure if i should just watch or take notes. I try to take notes though

I honestly cannot understand how people do not get it. 1Pe 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

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I missed the live stream yesterday :-( I am not quite understanding what the opposing teaching is. Are they teaching that we don't need someone to take our sins? Or is it like the wages of sin are death so we die to our sins? I don't understand. Anyone know a video where I can see this non-penal substitution teaching?

I actually think that PSA has a poor explanation of the blood sacrifice in the OT. I do believe in PSA, but I think it's a minor (but true) analogy for what Christ did on the cross. Studying Leviticus and the blood sacrifice is really what led me AWAY from PSA and made me realize that we need better explanations than PSA. If you look at what they did to the sacrifices in Leviticus, cutting them up, separating entrails, and sprinkling of blood... there was a lot more to it than just the animal taking on the penalty or punishment for sin. It's not just about sacrifice. It's about getting the blood and arranging the entrails in certain ways. The blood itself had to be sprinkled on the altar. It had to be marked on the ear. The passover lamb's blood had to be put on the door. The blood itself actually does something. It's not really about the death of the animal in Leviticus. The death gives you the blood and the fragrant aroma and other things so that those rituals can be performed. "Without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sin." (Hebrews 9:22). The actual shedding of blood is important... not just death. Blood is not just a symbol for death. Understanding the OT perspective of sin is VERY different than what we understand today, and very different from your understanding of sin. Sin is consistently pictured as a disease in the OT which you're not emphasizing. You're emphasizing the presence/nearness aspect of sin and holiness, but you don't mention the disease aspect of sin and holiness. The clean/unclean/disease sense of sin is actually primary in the OT. Blood is used as a cleansing agent in the OT. And THAT is actually one of the ways to look at Christ's death. Shedding his blood provides a powerful cleansing agent for sin than animal blood was not powerful enough to cleanse. THIS is why the NT God seems so forgiving versus the OT god... its actually that we have a powerful cleansing agent in Jesus' blood so that we can be saved. If there is a piece of clothing that is horribly stained and your detergent can't clean it, you have to throw it away. And if its stained by something contagious like a disease, it actually needs to be burned. That's what happened in the OT. But in the NT, Jesus' blood is the powerful cleansing agent that can cleanse any sin, which is why we don't need to stone people like Achan (and his entire family... even though they didn't do anything wrong except proximity to the sinner). There's a cleansing agent, Christ's blood. Again, it's not that I think PSA is incorrect, but I don't think its adequate. The OT provides more than that. I think you're correct in that we need to really let God's Word tell us what happened in the sacrifice. Once we do that, we see that while PSA is one of the analogies that is used for what Christ did, it's really not the main analogy in scripture.

This is all very helpful for rebutting NT Wright and his minions. Thanks

Thanks Tim, I appreciate your overview of the topic from a PSA perspective. Just to pick up on one thing you said - "Those who deny penal substitution sometimes want to say that Jesus' death has nothing to do with dealing with sin in the sense of achieving forgiveness for our sin." I believe Christians should not preach that the Cross allows God to forgive us. Rather because of the Incarnation, teaching, submission unto death & resurrection of Jesus we should now preach "repentance for the forgiveness of sin" (i.e. the basic unchanged message) "in Jesus' Name" (Luke 24:47). Because when people hear about the Cross their hearts are softened and emboldened to repent. This is why it is "THE MESSAGE of the Cross" that is the power of God for salvation - NOT the Cross per se!! In other words the Cross doesn't change the Immutable God but the human hearers of the Gospel. Salvation is all about Revelation and Faith - with, in my opinion, ideas of Atonement being anathema. From what I can see "Atonement" adds nothing to the concepts of "covering" and "reconciliation" except PSA, which has been imported from secular (and fallen) criminal justice systems. Biblical justice is akin to social justice and foreign to human criminal justice; the latter being nothing but state-mediated revenge for those with only hatred for their enemies. Thank God for secular governments who wield the sword against wrong-doers in this fallen world but what a tragedy that the Church has reverted to using fallen human justice as a model by which to understand God's transformative justice of Christ!

Were any sacrificed goats resurrected from the dead back there in the OT times? Or did that crucial question not even appear on your radar?

Is there an example of where wrath is poured on an OT sacrifice; as in, Abraham offering his son, Passover, or any type of sacrifice given with wrath?

Now 5,199 views and 183 comments. Thanks for the serious message. It is really speaking to me. I like the fact PSA is essential for our understanding of the cross.. Hebrews 9 - he says there is a wealth of connection between the OT and new..,so he reads two chapters. Heb 9 and 10 read in context.. 262 likes and 9 non.

The more I understand these things, the freer i feel and the guilt of my past fades away. I now understand what no condemnation means for christians. I wish all christians would learn more about what christ actually did and how wonderful that is. Because its given me such freedom, i know it will give others that same freedom that is found in Jesus

Does Mike even understand the difference between substitutionary atonement and penal substitution?

Winger achieves his conclusion by loading the definitions. He characterizes God's actions based on his perspectives, being unable to see things outside his worldview. For instance, Passover is NOT about punishment for sin, where sin is an individual's infraction of God's righteousness and punishment is exacting a moral recompense to balance the moral scales. Passover was a demonstration that God was God, and Israel was God's firstborn to the end that Egypt and the world would glorify God then and throughout the ages.

I still don't get *their* argument. I thought that is the point of Christianity. I fell away from the church for years because I couldn't wrap my head around "deserving" his sacrifice for me. A "too good to be true" kind of thinking. When God showed me that Jesus knew what he was doing and that he went to that cross voluntarily (and therefore the depth of His love for me, a sinner through and through), I came back to the Church. But I always, even when I didn't consider myself a Christian, believed in PSA.

Mike you are definitely doing the right thing. These things after almost 2000 years . Someone dropped the ball, right.

I can’t believe how beautiful Hebrews is when I, at the very least, somewhat understand the OT.

Fast forward 4 minutes and miss kitty cam!? N E V E R

Oh The Joy!

One year, near Yom Kippur, a nurse I work with had gone to borrow my computer station. She noticed the (Yom Kippur) greeting card propped up on my computer. It was a beautiful card, and it said that forgiveness is a beautiful thing, and may I have time to reflect on the things for which I might need forgiveness. It didn't say "Yom Kippur," It just talked about forgiveness. The nurse who had found the card asked me where I had gotten it. I told her that Theresa, another nurse on the unit, had given it to me. Her eyes got huge and she whispered, "What did you do to her?''

Hebrews is much more amazing after hearing the verses in the OT ❤ Wow!

PSA is shown in 1 Cor 15, Paul states that it is of first importance, so I don't think it can be a secondary issue.

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Could you do a video about the Harrowing of Hell?

2nd corinthians 5:21 is most likely a reference to the asham. The septuigant translates verses about the asham as simply "hamartiia." Most scholars now acknowledge "He became sin" should read "he became the trespass offering."

Can you please review “idol killer’s” video on atonement? He has a clip of you in his video and tries to refute you. I actually find him sound in a lot of ways and he does not seem like a progressive but his view atonement is very confusing. I feel his video is particularly dangerous for Christians because he is not a progressive as far as I know, but has a strange view of atonement that many Christians are hearing and listening to.

I love that he used to call an hour-&-a-half video "long" compared to his present era 12 hour videos on head-coverings & so forth 😂

Something interesting about the OT sacrifices: the sacrificed animal did not rise from the dead. So it was incomplete and had to be repeated. It didn’t fully satisfy the judgement of God. Thank God he did raise Jesus from the dead, the sacrifice is complete and we can be free not only from the consequence of our sin, but also from the guilt thereof.

I have another interesting question for you. Why is it that no sacrifice was ever offered for sins that are punishable by death if all sacrifice is the death penalty? Why are we to die just as Jesus did if he died so we don't have to?

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Where the Old Testament teaches Penal Substitution? Ummm.......everywhere???

Also, the Hebrew word for "ransom" (in Numbers 35:31) is "Ko-Fe-R" and is the same root as the word for "atone"/"cover up".

I'm confused, how are so many believers confused? 1 Corinthians 14:33

I appreciate the heart in which this is shared... not sure I agree that Exodus represents a substitionary sacrifice though. In the Exodus... it was not one lamb per person or not even one lamb per home, but you could invite your neighbor over and they could stay in your house as long as the blood was on the door post. Sounds more like obedience to me. As far as judgement goes, I agree, however, God said the judgment was on "all the gods of the Egyptians." Ex. 12:12, just some thoughts.

Mike, I don't understand why this guy would say:"He preaches substitution. That's not in the Bible.That is an excuse to keep sinning." I don't see it that way. I don't fully understand the theological term substitution but I am pretty sure that you don't hold that as an excuse to keep sinning. I get the feeling this person is legalistic. I have currently been struggling with the law and grace. And from what I can tell we must lean on grace. When we think we are doing "it all right" we are still falling short. What do you think Mike?

It's really sad that we have such rich stories in the old testament with profound meaning and they are reduced to nothing more than supposed evidence for PSA. Numbers 14 is the story of of Korah challenging the authority of Moses. God makes a public display of his Choice of Moses to represent Him by opening the earth and swallowing several thousand people. When the remainder of the People challenged Moses again God began consuming them with a plague. Arron quickly ran out into the middle of the people and burned incense to God and the plague was stayed. The story is about who had the right to make offerings in the tabernacle. When Arron burned the incense and God hand was stayed right in the middle of the congregation you knew exactly who had the right to burn incense to God. I want to cry when I hear mike completely disregard the meaning of this story and reduce the whole chapter to evidence for penal substitution. Are we to believe God's wrath was poured out on the innocent incense victim to satisfy justice? Mike! What are you doing to the word of God?!!! You're better than this!!! I don't care one way or the other about PSA but this is no way to handle the word of God. Read some of the comments. People really believe you know what you're talking about here which means you are leading simple minded people astray.

Love your vids! God bless you! (just my thoughts) Substitution... Yes! Absolutely! Sacrifice... Yes! Once and for all! Tortured and punished by the Father 'instead' of us... ...??? It's partly a matter of emphasis, and I'm sure that if PSA is what we've been brought up with, then we will make it central to everything... even reading into certain writings what we want to see rather than what was intended by the writers within the historical context and the mind of the church at the time. (the early church fathers do not see the satisfaction of divine wrath or honour as the central significance of the Atonement... and the Orthodox Churches still dont to this day).... Bearing in mind that the juridical pictures are not the dominant ones in Scripture, and that we are dealing with ontological 'relational' realities (God is a relationship of 'Persons' - Who IS love) this surely must be a key in our interpretation (His utter holy otherness and His being Light and Love) He did what we couldn't do. He united God and Man within Himself - the Person of the Son and Word. He identified fully with the joy and tragedy of our existence. He became a curse. He reversed every cursed result of our transgression of the Law (Reality) and the command to Love. He destroyed death by His voluntary death. Sin was condemned. He took the fall... every shameful, painful, separative, God forsaken result of our sin. He died our death... recreated our humanity, absorbed the darkness, the non being... then disarmed, defeated and decimated every hostile power - before raising us up! 'He suffered and was buried... and on the third day He rose again " " For us"... (Isaiah 53) ... As one of us His sprinkled blood is His Life given for our life... Poured out for us. Eternal life. Every worthy sacrifice in the Old Testament, at heart, is to do with the heart... "a broken spirit and a contrite heart O God, You will not despise" God's heart broke His ultimate Sacrifice was a pleasing aroma. Many of the Old Covenant offerings were only Icons that brought us face to face with the true cost of sin, and actually became food (on every level) for us and pointed us towards the true giver of life and the tree of life that would come.... The Cross The propitiation that is 'pleasing' (Ephesians5v1) (Hebrews 12) (Isaiah 53) The expiation that cleanses, redeems and recreates us.... "ransom"... "Lamb of God Who takes away the sin of the world" The 'penalty' is yet to come for those who reject Messiah. The wrath 'is' being revealed. He relationally and freely and cosmically righted all wrongs - that all will be "made new". Christ and His Church are the Ark. Judgement will come, but He is the One who saved us from all our enemies!... He Who was the Offering, the Priest, and the One to Whom it is offered... Our all in all X "That God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself"

Hebrews 9 reading (about minute 59:00 ). It’s 55:30 exactly. Hebrews 9 King James Version (KJV) Chapter 9 1. Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary. 2 For there was a tabernacle made; the first, wherein was the candlestick, and the table, and the shewbread; which is called the sanctuary. 3 And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of all; 4 Which had the golden censer, and the ark of the covenant overlaid round about with gold, wherein was the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron's rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant; 5 And over it the cherubims of glory shadowing the mercyseat; of which we cannot now speak particularly. 6 Now when these things were thus ordained, the priests went always into the first tabernacle, accomplishing the service of God. 7 But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people: 8 The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: 9 Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; 10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation. 11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building; 12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us. 13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh: 14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? 15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance. 16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. 17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth. 18 Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood. 19 For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people, 20 Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you. 21 Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry. 22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission. 23 It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. 24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us: 25 Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others; 26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. 27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: 28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

Those who are called may receive.... Hmmm

The Old Testament sacrifices were not teaching penal substitution. The sacrifices are never said to appease God's wrath or justice. Sacrifices were made to sanctify people to set them apart along with the items in the tabernacle. The Passover is a poor example, the slain lamb wasn't a substitute for the firstborn of the animals and "their sins" neither was it for the firstborn people. The blood on the doorpost was for identification not for substitution, it was a setting apart. The atonement of Jesus isn't a substitution it's a setting apart people as a new creation free from the power of sin, Satan, death and kingdom of darkness.

25:49 Just presupposes substitution .

Hello Mike , Exodus 8 v 22 the Bible says AMP Version : But on that day I will separate and set apart the land of Goshen, where My people are living, so that no swarms of insects will be there, so that you may know [without any doubt] and acknowledge that I, the LORD, am in the midst of the earth. I will put a division (distinction) between My people and your people. By tomorrow this sign shall be in evidence.”’” The Hebrews were Not included in God's Judgement of Egypt ... God preserved them and showed them favour. I agree with you regarding the Passover Lamb and How the Application of the Blood speaks of Deliverance of God's Judgement , But we know that it was a foreshadowing of what Jesus would accomplish through the shedding of his own Blood on the Cross .

I was raised as a Mormon, but I have learned more about Mormonism after I came out of the church, than I knew when I was in the church. But, I was a lousy Mormon. I couldn't do anything right. One of my sisters came out ofcthe church and is now an agnostic. I tried to witness to her and tell her things about Mormons, but she doesn't believe me. The motions don't tell you everything all at once. When you prove yourself, they will tell you more a little at a time.

Question: If Jesus' death is understood as substitutionary punishment for the sins of the world, satisfying God's wrath once for all, how do we reconcile the existence of Hell and eternal punishment for many? This implies Jesus’ punishment was insufficient to cover the penalty or impotent to some degree, or is conditional. If conditional, then a person’s response negates Christ’s sacrifice and overrules God’s authority and sovereignty. Or atonement is unconditional and universal. If not universal, then Jesus’ punishment did not atone for all sin but just a select few.

The text says that is how God will know to Passover a house. It doesn’t say He wanted to judge them too. It was a distinguishing sign.

The Passover sacrifice was never substitutionary. Just look at Exodus: what just punishment was Israel saved from? Even setting that aside, a lamb is not a fitting substitution for a human. And even if it were, why isn’t it described as a substitution in the Old Testament?

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I plan to listen to this series a few times until I know the info well enough to explain it. I'm also reading through material from M.Heiser and R.Johnson that challenges this teaching, at least in part. I see this similar to the baptism issue. The case is strong that baptism is "required" for salvation - that there's some 'mechanical' component whereby the act of baptism unlocks something in the heavenlies. However, that concept seems out of character with the rest of the NT. So likewise, we may hear "God wants to be near his people, but there's a sin problem. How is sin taken care of? Sacrifice." But then, there's a lot of "I desire mercy over sacrifice" language in the OT. God can save without baptism, and can forgive without sacrifice. But does he? If not, does that mean those acts serve a 'mechanical' function to unlock something in the heavenlies? I say no. I think the types and pictures do not break down when the sacrifices are seen as wholly illustrative and not efficacious - in fact I'd say they make more sense that way. But I'll keep listening and studying.

But OT lambs didn't suffer wrath. I know PSA, I was taught it, but human sacrifice seems unusual anyway. Why does God require blood in order to forgive? Pagan deities demanded blood too.

How was Moses able to see The God of Israel “face to face as a man with a friend”, so close the his face was shining even though he was a murderer, disobedient and unbelieving (Which are Israel’s chief sins according to the Bible) nearly being put to death by God, and filled with fits of rage. God was “pleased with him and knew him by name.” Why did Yahweh’s presence not lash out against Moses?

I’m in min 32 and there’s still nothing on penal substitutionary atonement theory: God wrath being poured on Jesus on the cross.

No. 1:10:16 belief in Penal substitution is not necessary for salvation and does not cause a problem with “what you believe about Jesus” because it was not commonly thought of or taught in the historical church and it is not clearly expressed in scripture. You might as well just keep adding things to the “what you believe about Jesus” list of required beliefs and keep anathematizing people who don’t agree with you.

What gets about the word fulfilled some people say it does not mean abolish. Actually it does mean to bring an end to it. Once it is fulfilled it is ended. One reason is because God made a new covenant with Israel after he fulfilled the other one. He said it wouldn't pass till it was fulfilled. The heaven and earth passed away of old covenant. 🙄

Thank God we don’t have to do that anymore!

"Once for ALL"... or only the elect and the predestined?

Sweet Lover of Souls, we aren’t poopfaces or progressives, Mike. We just don’t drink from Augustine’s well.

I am absolutely in love with this content, this video, and the reality of the punishment Christ took for us. The OT foreshadowing is amazing. I do have a couple of questions that I would love to have answered. This may be slightly off topic, but I’m wondering about the OT sacrifices. I know that they didn’t take away sin.. and that it was a symbolism of the way Christ would take away sin.. but in that case, if sin wasn’t literally taken away by the sacrifice of animals, how was God able to dwell among them? And if it was because of the blood of Jesus, what would be said to the person trying to make baptism a necessity for salvation who would say, “the blood of Jesus did not take away sins until they were obedient in this act of sacrifice, and in that way, the blood of Jesus doesn’t wash your sins until you are obedient in the act of baptism”? Thanks in advance!

it sounds like the law that a murderer who leaves a sanctuary city before the high priest dies must be killed is a precursor or “type” of Jesus’s death being an atonement for sin…?

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So if you don’t hold to PSA your not a Christian? Seems like that excludes both Catholics and Orthodox. Just seems an over broad statement. Besides we don’t confess atonement but rather Jesus. Regardless that isn’t what atonement means anyway.

It is difficult to understand how one can put forth a theory on atonement and not begin with Adam and the result of his actions. If Adam, who he was, and the affects of his actions upon life itself is not understood - no real understanding of the work of Christ on the cross can be understood.

The blood of Jesus cleanses you when you are obedient to Him. We will be judged according to our own works on judgment day. Unless our righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the pharisees we will not enter into the Kingdom of God.

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Did the Lord suffer the wrath of God on the cross? Is there any verse in the New Testament that clearly states that He did? I accept He is my substitute, and that He had to die on my place (the penalty of my sin is death according to the law). But since it is taught that God did pour out His wrath, there should be scriptural support. Other than that I fully agree on penal substitutionary atonement and Christus victor theory. Both make sense to me simultaneously. None of the types or shadows in the law involve wrath being poured out on the sacrifices, they simply died in the peoples place (not to over simplify the cross)

Hebrews 10 Hebrews 10 King James Version (KJV). Start 1:01:10 1. For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. 2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins. 3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year. 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. 5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me: 6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure. 7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God. 8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law; 9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. 10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. 11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: 12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; 13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. 14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. 15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before, 16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; 17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. 18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin. 19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, 20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; 21 And having an high priest over the house of God; 22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water. 23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised;) 24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works: 25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching. 26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. 28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: 29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. 32 But call to remembrance the former days, in which, after ye were illuminated, ye endured a great fight of afflictions; 33 Partly, whilst ye were made a gazingstock both by reproaches and afflictions; and partly, whilst ye became companions of them that were so used. 34 For ye had compassion of me in my bonds, and took joyfully the spoiling of your goods, knowing in yourselves that ye have in heaven a better and an enduring substance. 35 Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompence of reward. 36 For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise. 37 For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry. 38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him. 39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

Why does God need his pound of flesh to forgive? That I need payment by it’s very nature isn’t forgiveness. Jesus himself taught this. The wicked servant owed the equivalent of millions and millions of dollars but the Lord just canceled the debt. He didn’t need to kill his son to cancel that debt. Instead the cross has more to do with a number of factors. Ransom or more properly rescue from Sheol/death/devil, and Jesus’s victory over the dark powers. He shed his blood for the same reason that goat for Yahweh was killed and it’s blood shed. To cleans the cosmos and us and make us fit to be and be in sacred space. God has cleansed us (atonement) with his blood so that the Holy Spirit can reside in us. We are now the Temples of God.

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Mike if you are not obedient to Christ you are not a Christian. 5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. 6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.