Where Was Officer John O'Keefe Murdered? MA v Karen Read Day 9 Recap 

@@allamerican777no way

@@allamerican777 Driving drunk and not remembering is not an excuse. She knew immediately when she woke from her drunkin stupor that's why she was hysterical. The defense is ridiculous blaming the dog. A dog is to blame but not Chloe.

@@kayvee9094 I agree and all this if its a cover up why is it the EMT's not the cops all saying she said... "I hit him"

the state hasn’t proven karen killed John - end of week 2 and nothing

what about the library that julie said existed 😂😂

The google search “hos long to die in cold” at 2:27am on the night of the death is merely coincidence as well I’m sure.

seriously .. they rehomed he dog - very different .

Exactly!!!!

@@cjsays19728It’s semantics.

Colin and Brian are responsible

Its just a normal day in Creepy Canton. That town needs an enema same with the Judge.

How do you know that it was deceit. Y’all making allegations against people without any evidence

@@sierramcclary2897no evidence? 😂

​@doug7474 right? 😂 these guilters bumped their damnn heads

@@sierramcclary2897 Plenty of evidence of lying on the stand. McLaughlin was. Albert's wife was about the dog. Was fine with humans yet put two in the hospital. They only talked about one of the two. They are probably more close calls.

The same day he attended a funeral in NY for another cop. Out of sheer curiosity I would have been outside asking WTF happened??

Exactly 💯these are his friends and relatives. This guy is guilty in my opinion. Wait until you see the nephew Colin Albert he’s a real Pisa

Talk to Them now ,Tell em

Not when a body is found on your lawn and uninvolved police have already started investigating It’s called being a professional You don’t go interfering into another police officers’ investigation

It’s crazy to see how the media manipulates video after watching this trial & specifically this testimony. The reporter says Brian Alberts a Boston PO, he knows CPR & hears a situation happening on his lawn & that was his answer for not going outside. WHAT? He testified he never heard it & now they’re making it seem he did. It also appears to be edited in Chris’s wife testimony showing her to be more forthcoming coming than she actually was. Why? Weird

FACT

How will that depict such a thing? You require the ME that wrote the report and actually did the autopsy in person. Think now come on.

@@mauiswift6391 how? Common Sense!

Right, and why wouldn’t Jenn McCabe have gone inside to get Brian Albert when she and Karen were outside giving CPR. He was a first responder.

One would think that responding ~ rushing to "serve and protect" would be intuitive and ingrained. The Albert's and kin would have had to be restrained to stay put of it .. imo. And he'd just returned that day from a fallen cops funeral in NY. His emotions would have been keyed up ,i.e , "not losing another brother!".

Every time. So too any person who just heard an injured person or body was found on their property.

@gs11817 Exactly. To emphasize your point, we've heard the 911 call Jen made and they were asking her to find blankets to help John. She didn't have any and refused to go inside her SISTER'S house to get some just a few feet away.

He’s also a trained first responder

Intentionally shoddy in my opinion as almost all LEO involved have been buddies since school days. Goode with Proctor and Lank with Chris and CPD Detective Kevin Albert.

Agreed. The lack of good, solid evidence invites reasonable doubt.

Once that solo cup pic came in, it was over

What else do you need other than her admitting she did it, she was drunk and the debris from her taillight near the body? Its an open and shut case.

@@milart12 Right and her blood alcohol level was borderline over the limit at 9am!! So what was her alcohol level 6 hours earlier???

6 donuts for 6 people the secream. Guilty 😢

Now it's coffee and donuts BA said,🤔

They asked her to come into the house when she was arriving.

@@mauiswift6391 I watched the trial. She tried adding that in, but you can tell she was lying.

@@kimmy722 no she wasn’t she went into the house, it was corroborated by her sister and brother in law.

If I recall the testimony John was already removed by the time they were woken up.

I thought the same thing. That Jen is COLD as ICE. ZERO help from her. Her job was to control the narrative. She then huddled up with everyone in the house made a 2nd plan and executed by calling the police and have them drive all the way back to let them know "Oh I think i heard he say she killed him"

Lots of lies

John was already removed from the house

I have found it more than suspicious that the "investigating officers" (if you can call any of them that at all) went all the way over to a neighbor's house to borrow a leaf blower and red solo cups (hard eyeroll inserted here). They all knew exactly whose house they were at. Why not just go bang on the door and borrow THEIR leaf blower and/or THEIR red-freaking-solo cups? Isn't that the first place ANY REASONABLE PERSON would go to get some help or some answers? The answer to these questions is simple. Everyone showing up to the scene that morning already knew the situation... a fight-gone-wrong happened in the home and everyone was coached at this point not to even look at the Albert's house or door, for to do so would have opened the literal "door" to investigation... something that none of the corrupt officers wanted to do. They wanted to pretend like this was just some random dude on some random lawn in some random town that they just needed to scoop up and take to the hospital. A big giant "nothing to see here folks" kind of approach. Fortunately, the utter ludicrousness that was the investigation is being exposed on national television for the world to see. The cover up is being exposed. Sadly, however, no one is going to be held accountable for O'Keefe's death. The crime scene is completely erased. Short of one of those folks in the house stepping up to tell what really happened, we will never have the whole story. What a fuc*ing shame.

Yea, and if a dead body is found on your lawn, guess what! No probable cause to search your home! Those officers literally said that! All those text book examples of how a body found on your property isn't just probable cause to search the home, it could be considered exigent circumstances, those are all wrong. All it means is that your house happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time when some girlfriend decided to kill her boyfriend. Just mind blowing.

@@mayarodriguezsrensen6904they will never get past the house not being searched. If anyone else had a dead cop on their front lawn you would be detained in handcuffs in the back of a cop car. These cops didn’t even put up crime scene tape. The house is quickly sold at a loss after the floor was replaced. This entire case is reasonable doubt. .

😂😂😂

If they do come, they shouldn't leaf blow the "crime scene" or borrow solo cups from the chief across the street to collect blood samples.

@@mayarodriguezsrensen6904 question do you think they handled it correctly? Okay no probable reason but isn’t it strange that non of the wounds are like a car hit him? I mean look at the AM case of that young man that was killed by a so-called hit and run. If he was hit by that car he should have injured his legs yet nothing was showing that.. if you hit someone is it possible to have a injury at the back of your head and scratches on one arm as he had?

he was old and retired, drinking the night before , not up to jump out of bed .

That isn’t BS at all. Police officers also know not to interfere in another police department investigation

@@chrissyellem7397 How many dead bodies of a fellow cop you had drinks with the night before showed up on your dads front lawn? Did your dad just step over the carcass to get the mail? Wow, cold as ice fellow.

Probably one of the best comments I have read from someone so far regarding the kind of behavior that SHOULD have come from Brian Albert. Well said.

They drove all the way to NY for the funeral of an officer they have never met but did NOT go to John's funeral.

No one asked if they wore earplugs or sleeping masks. My husband was cop who worked shifts, used blackout window cover and earplugs.

What kind of police rum that county They have bad memories They are deaf They don't cordon off crime area properly They used a leaf blower lol They said a blizzard so no tent They put blood in cups in a bag They had loads of foot prints around

Reason defense asking the time. Is because this people don't go to bed early. And they were up. They put the dog to sleep I mean sleep

Nope sound proof house. But they immediately see the donuts lady sneaking to put donuts inside a frozen car. These people ALL lie when the truth is easier to tell. Why? What are they hiding?

If she was sleep, it’s possible that she didn’t hear Karen Read especially if she was drinking.

The German shepherd would have definitely been alerted by a woman screaming outside.

If I was drinking and out late then had a after party ummm yeah a 🚂 or a Mac truck could be running next to my bed I would not hear them at all .. I slept threw many things and only woke up when I was touched to be woke up I believe her and her husband

This is actually plausible though

And that is EXACTLY what the prosecution wants. Watch the cross examination of Brian Albert on Monday. I bet he gets caught in a bunch of lies.

See if the answers come...

He was found with dog bite marks and their dog had bit people before and now suspiciously the dog is rehomed and and no where to be found

Turtle boy not being allowed in is way off suspicious.

So even the dog didn’t hear anything

Yeah I don’t believe that a German Shepherd didn’t bark. If it were other breed of dog fine but those ones are known for barking anytime someone comes near the house

@@berniecoffeydaly6047 seriously - that is not a dog bite . the dog bit a woman who interfered in a dog fight - its really important to state facts and not make up stuff

Really??

I havent seen any evidence that, that is true

@@sierramcclary2897 Yes you might not have seen the evidence but its true. Their will be an expert battle over that. Most database experts are on the side of "the search was made at 2:37am. But people did not understand DNA in the OJ trial so they will be able to defend it.

Yes… these people obviously think they are above the law

Jen Mcabe was googling that while he was out in the snow dying.

The trial is not in Canton.

Hopefully they want be bias to the defense either.

I really have no idea how they were able to find a jury for this case. I live in massachusetts and so many of us knew about this long before it got national attention. These jurors must have been living under a rug.

I frankly trust the jury far more than I would trust people out here on comment boards.

​@@MN-ty2rcI just. Remember the funeral or parade that happened when he passed. But like a month ago I heard of this case. Hello neighbor 👋

That was the family house. He had it for 11 years and his parents before that. There's so much more

And none of their stories line up. I don’t think that there’s merit in the play fighting in the bar… but I do think something happened to him and it did not involve Karen. Everything is flawed from the statements…. Not being signed and done in groups… to the blood that sat in red solo cups for 2 days in the sally port. This evidence should be thrown out because it’s not evidence. I am all for the cops! I’m Not a conspiracy theorists… but I do think something is foul. I think…. It was an accident or a cover ip for a 17 year old hot head who was leaving when John was dropped off. Maybe not covering up blood inside…but they all are protecting something. The phone calls and phone patterns speak volumes. He deserved more than this!

Plus if they never heard anything, that German Shepherd would have. Those dogs hear everything. There is no way German Shepherd wasn't barking like crazy when this was going on. I know when anyone is around because my dog hears everything.

I can get past the house and even rehoming of the dog, but there's so much more that is just a brainscratcher on their behavior and other facts that have come out. The sad facts are that John and his family will never truly get justice becos the case has been handled so shoddy .

Plus they dig up the whole floor in the basement and then sell the house. Sounds like a lot of corruption if they were under investigation from the FBI.

Our doors never locked either as a kid. Big house 6 kids I get that part of it. Depends on the neighborhood. Ours was nice no crime. Some places yea you have to lock up.

Agree! Not in this day and age!

and even let someone else burst into their bedroom haha

Who would dare go into his house? The power he commended!

@@Physics072 As a kid, yes, but not these days and not a cop, who knows and sees what happens on a daily basis.

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Especially if you’re drunk.

I think someone in his ear piece said that and he repeated because he had a strange look on his face as he said it.

@@RLFinTX He still said it, and doubled down on his statement!! Lol

... whom Karen has falsely accused and slandered.

@@EC-dz3fb if anybody's being slandered it's her. Their shady and sketchy past actions speak for themselves.

Agreed

⁠​⁠@@EC-dz3fb The FBI said they had 3 different accident reconstruction experts look at this case and all 3 of them said those injuries were not consistent with being hit by a vehicle. Why would the fbi say that if it wasn’t true

@@dannydee3459 I never said the FBI was lying.

It’s not uncommon

Apple health data only logs flights of stairs “climbed”, or ascended.

@@OliviaNile They don't use GPS for it. the phones have built in sensors for elevation and pressure changes.

The guy claiming how accurate GPS is, clearly is overstating it. When I am at work , my GPS shows me in the schukyll river which is across the street.

Maybe when he was hit he flew up

@@OliviaNile Yea I saw the Judge might not have allowed that because the Prosecution said the GPS data shows the car being a block away so how could he have climbed stairs? Of the two technologies GPS is the least accurate in a building + snow outside + poor signal (Which the Alberts admitted) It can be off a mile. flights climbed” on an iPhone fitness app does not use GPS it uses an altimeter + accelerometer built into the phone. So it will work fine inside a building and is more accurate than GPS. Which means that stair data should not be tossed out. He certainly did not climb stares inside the car. And of the two GPS is the one that is affected most by location, buildings interference etc. The stare climbing is different technology. I don't have a apple phone does it only track going up stairs or does it do both up and down? I thought it did 10ft change in altitude up or down. Not sure it was omitted by the Judge though. Anyone know?

Brian Alpert also rehomed his vehicle and bought a new car.

@@ApplePie.. Who are you referring to? Brokeback Boston Brian?!

Killed a man framed his girlfriend disgusting behavior Albert's

@@user-jv8zj6nb6v We'll see if they get away with it. If they are in fact friends or tribe members of is-ra-el (think berkowitz), they'll get off.

That's in every case. That's the name of the game. Unless you witness something, there are unanswered questions

They need to become total pariahs in the towns they live in. Ignore and refuse service to all of them. It’s so obvious they are lying. The only thing they’re good at is making themselves look like fools and evil demons.

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It's her Bookaki

No, she was pulled into a case where a drunk Karen backed over her boyfriend and doesn’t wanna face the consequences. John was not bitten by “that lady’s” dog.. or amy other dog. He was hit by a car. Imagine yourself embroiled in this kind of BS. When all you did was in fact no or were friends with an individual… All of these people are victims.Except read and her lawyers.

please give these people a freaking break, my God. They have been put through hell. You'd be defensive too if you had to deal with harassment like this.

Karen is defensive

@@lisakelley4583 very, but she gets a pass on everything

Yes. You're right. The person drawing the blood for alcohol blood count USED alcohol wipes! Are you kidding me. If I did that I would be walked out the door, period! You cannot draw blood through an alcohol wipe,,?

Oh but of course!! 🙄

She said herself she had at least 4 drinks in one bar alone. Test given many hours later showed she was still drunk. Facts

@@valiakloeppel7252the thing is so far we only know she had 1

@@valiakloeppel7252 Well, first off, where do you get your information that Karen said she had "4 drinks in one bar alone"? Second, bartenders have recently testified that Karen did not appear intoxicated or act such. Third, who cares what her BAC was at 9:08 the following morning? Could Karen not have had a drink of something in her own home sometime in the early morning when she is obviously awake and stressed as hell that she is not hearing from John? Who is to say that perhaps Karen had NOTHING to drink at the bars, but instead drank a glass of wine at 7:30 in the morning? Or perhaps had a drink or two at the bars, went home, got stressed as mentioned above, poured herself a glass of wine and drank that? A BAC taken 8 hours later cannot in any way, shape or form be made to "prove" that Karen was intoxicated the night before.

Definitely they like to escalate things for their benefit

Law enforcement on all sides and courts are ALL corrupt. It’s disgusting

They re-homed Chloe because she bit two people and another dog. They could either re-home her or have her put down. 😔

Especially in THIS sellers' market for the last 4 years... NO ONE sells at a discount. NOOOOOOOOO WAY.

Lol they didn't sell the house until April 2023 that was 15 months later.

@@sunshine22723 It took months to get it ready to sell. Basement took awhile to do the remodel and scrub.

@@sunshine22723Are you joking or can you really not correlate the sale of their home to the point? They’re trying to distance themselves from the crime scene. Just like getting rid of Chloe the German Shepard because she was evidence.

​@@Physics072and as stated it was an insurance claim...

@@MsPopeye65 Not following you? Did I ask about insurance in a post someplace? I don't see it anywhere could you quote it so this makes more sense thanks!

She probably is angry. Who could blame her?

The thin blue line.... is not just a movie.

@@secondrule It's scary that the Commonwealth is even prosecuting this case. What is the theory? She decided to murder him on a night out. in a police friends front yard with her car? And the Albert kids call the judge "Aunt Bev" So corrupt..

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Take a look at the barbell set in the basement of the house. The blue weight holders have a metal tab about 3" wide on each side. If you fell backwards onto that it would crack your skull for sure as there is zero give to it. Like a meat clever hitting you in the back of the head. One punch and he fell into it. Or his GF ran him over and for some reason the police went into full cover up mode to keep us guessing.

They have YET to recreate the accident. Man has a fractured skull and the only damage to the car is a piece of a back tail light.

@@Physics072 yeah the physics. also Brian & Nicole act quilty, no emotion, poor health, ... boozing away thoughts.

@@luciaconn6788 They are a bit seedy for sure.

100% Ask some Gernan Shepherd owners if they think that they would not have heard that dog. Those dogs are on duty all their life.

She bit two women after John was killed and they had to get rid of her. The shelter would not even take her, because she was such an aggressive dog.

⁠@@deedeegray7489you know what they say about aggressive dogs..

It's in Vermont. Listen to the homeowners testimony.

@@jamesbuttery3862 I did. I don’t believe her.

Could...but i doubt it.

Highly unlikely EVErYOne including the dog slept and/or were quiet throughout all that!!!!

@lillykinnamon3929 throughout all what?? The efforts to resuscitate, the conversations among each other.. the distraught cries of Karen...how loud was she? How thick are the walls in the house, from the building itself, the doors, locale of the rooms, back of the house? drapes, fans? Do people fall asleep to the TV, etc.. How loud do you think it has to be....? You don't know anything for certain. No one does.. tho we can surmise all day. !!!!

Looks like we have one thing in common… We’re both baffled! But, for different reasons.

I know Karen Read will be found not guilty because she is not and then oh well. Bye Office John. It is a disgrace that all of those nasty people will not be prosecuted. The real disgusting shame is the Commonwealth is letting this happen.

Why cant they ever be prosecuted?

@@annemerritt3722 $$$&

Yes people sleep through many things i am one of them. Depends on how sound of a sleeper you are.

So true!

Would you think they weren't guilty if they had come outside? Would that be enough, or would you find another reason they are guilty? There are always things that don't add up. That's life.

The fact is that OKeefe was in the house and got in a fight in that house. Then they tear out the basement floor sell the house for $50,000 cheaper than market. Get rid of the dog🤣🤣. Come on this Karen woman is gonna sue the hell outta both police departments

@@Kaykay-nn8yd I said the sound of the fire truck as in the motor running. It’s loud. Screaming is loud There is a reason they never came out none of them came out for a reason!! Guilty is written all over this family

same because in one pre-trial hearing it was stated he participated in a federal proffer.....which also makes me question if he will testify as he did in the past for the trial or if it will change due to the proffer? I know the feds say Karens car did not hit John so there's that. But is there perhaps a reason they want this trial to play out? collect more info on whoever they've been investigating?? I dont think in either scenario, someone wanted John to die, but something happened and Im not totally convinced either way but leaning more towards a mishap in the house. ITs a big game of Clue.

@@Daysfreak57332yes y are right. The feds are doing exactly what u say. No need to alarm the defense or anybody

Let me guess; that’s where they’ll finally nail them huh? We haven’t seen a thing yet to show that the Albert’s had anything to do with this

Nick is a clear representation of the emotional, unhinged quack jobs that support KR lol

Agree 100% and started off the same way as you.

Same thing happened to me. I at first thought ez she ran him over. Not so much now.

Maybe they heard that Kristy noem just bought property in the neighborhood and they worried that they're dog might be a target 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

They rehome it and REFUSE to give details of the new owner. If the dog was removed for legitimate reasons fine. It’s not your dog anymore. They should have ZERO PROBLEMS with the new owners participating in an investigation. A man is dead and they’re being secretive? Karen didn’t do this.

No one can know that for sure, because we obviously don't know how badly he was hit, if he was knocked unconscious, etc.

I was bitten by one same marks

I'm so glad you're an expert, now. WOW! RU-vid is 𝘢𝘮𝘢𝘻𝘪𝘯𝘨, huh?!

lol ok another expert

Haha No kidding. Good Shakespeare reference!!!

I believe you

If the whole defense was ONLY on that, you might have a point, but there's more to this case than a "maybe" dog bite. How many dog bites have you seen, and by which dogs?

@@secondrule loads and of course the while defence isn't about that but as a animal welfare npo owner for 16 years I can tell you that is not a dog bite.

@@secondrule plenty dodgy things going on with that I agree but not the "dog bite"

I don’t believe that he was killed in the house. If the police wanted to cover up the crime, they would have just gotten rid of the body instead of trying to frame someone.

Killed in the house and all these cops thought, “What should we do with the body? I know, put it on our front lawn”. Does that sound logical?

@@sierramcclary2897 They were about to ditch the body until that meddling snow plow driver came by and saw the car, the Ford escape.

@@janetshemaryahu5529 Exactly, they would have just gotten rid of the body.

​​​@@janetshemaryahu5529 they were all drunk, logic doesn't always enter the chat when one's frontal lobe is compromised. I would also bet they all have underdeveloped frontal lobes, from years of drinking. 😅 We aren't dealing with geniuses here.

Dog wouldve barked when Jen Mcabe burst into their bedroom screaming. Maybe the dog was given a tranquilizer or not even alive at this time. Any footage of the dog a day later or a few days later outside going to bathroom or running around?

Yes ,they spent all night cleaning the evidence

The woman also referred to her as "it" 😢

@@Cameron_F Yea I noticed they all sort of are acting strange. It must be a psychological type of distancing at hand. That Jen McCabe did the same thing on the 911 call. Instead of saying my friend or officer Okeef was unresponsive. She pretends he is some random guy that fell asleep in a snow bank. She did not give him a name. Some man is laying in the snow is what she said. Just strange.

For her to mention that she knows exactly where the dog is in Vermont tells me that she will be getting this dog back after this all blows over. I’ll bet on it.

Yea that was funny I didn't get rid of her I rehomed her is the same thing she isn't with them

Yes they saw Karen hit him. They didn’t want to get involved. Crazy

@@2TurntKarendid that come out today? They saw her do it?

@@JennySmith-kx6oc no lol - then they would be admitting to a crime by not rendering aid. They will never admit it. But that’s why they are playing clueless. But Karen did hit Johns car on purpose- you can’t accidentally hit another car in a Lexus made after 2018. The cars brakes automatically slam on to prevent it. The only way it can happen is if the safety settings are turned off manually. So Karen lied about that. She hit Johns car on purpose- and there’s only 1 reason why she would do that unfortunately 😢

Jen mcbe said that she saw Karen drive and did not see John came inside then text John 4 time at 12:31am he did no answer check the cell. Alcohol involved in this crime

Jen McCabe is a known liar and bully in Canton MA. It was her idea to set Karen up when she saw the taillight broken from hitting John's car.

Yes absolutely ridiculous.

Maybe dog as never in bedroom. Id be curious to look for witnesses or neighbors who could confirm they saw or heard dog outside days after the incident in 29th. A dog would be seen or heard even in backyard i would think.

Yes the blinking was crazy!!! 😔🙄😔🙄😔🙄😔🙄

Do you guys follow the behavior panel?

@@katrinat.3032 absolutely…as well as being a member of Chase’s community through his app Applied Behavior Research. Learning a TON from this app in particular and the Friday night lives they do.

I guess i have 2 gf who have killed me, then.... If a yelling call is proof, my two exes got away with killing me, oh wait i am alive.

Dash cam footage proves they were off

@@yellowcottagetaleswhy is no one talking about the fact that it’s physically impossible to accidentally hit a car when backing up in a Lexus. It can only be intentional. She had to turn it off - every time she started the car. I just flipped- she’s guilty 😢

​@@2TurntKarenwhat ate you talking about. I guess the Lexus doesn't hit other cars backing up?? I have a big suburban and a camera and trust me, I can back into cars with it. You haven't even listened to the accident reconstruction experts for the prosecution or the defense.

@@2TurntKarenWHAT? It’s not a physical impossibility for a Lexus to make contact with another vehicle. Take your meds, honey.

@@RozeechildRNDidn’t you know ? Lexuses are surrounded by a vehicle deflecting force field 😂😂😂

It was found later on in the snow.

@@kim_morgan446wow really? I have never heard of that.

@@NYLI11 you haven't been listening then. The missing shoe was found. It was buried in the snow. No conspiracy

Ikr. It's absurd

Maybe they were going to say he got hit by a plow 🤷‍♀️

It was snowing, no where to go . Can’t get stuck with a body in the car 🤷‍♀️

Maybe he wasn't dead when he staggered out of their home and they thought he'd die out in the cold

@@hurri-db He never made it into the home. What part of that is so confusing for so many people. It will be proven beyond any doubt he never ever made it inside that house.

I hit him, I hit him. Her words. Her own father said it on national TV. He's lying too? Give it up

@@Barb417you give it up! You dont know how it was said. Albert’s paying yiu?

Wait for more evidence before you makeup your mind

​@@Barb417so that doesn't explain all the other shady police investigation and cw witnesses lying on stand....

@@Lisa_leeleewe do know how it was said! Several witnesses have already testified to that way of saying it!

I'm not a fan of Nick. He seems very closed minded

That is funny considering at her first arraignment, Yannetti said there was no criminal intent, which means she did it, but didn't mean to. He did not say she didn't do it. He actually said she did. Watch it for yourself instead of listening to others. It is on RU-vid.

@@kim_morgan446 Thats the trouble with booze. Maybe at that time that is what they thought. Her mind was shattered and you have McCabe tossing her under the bus making her believe it was possible. It can happen. Did she pay the Alberts to act so weird just to confuse us too? They + cops created much reasonable doubt. So even if she did it. Too much doubt she will walk.

@@kim_morgan446 so if you were Karen you would think that he had died in the house full of cops?! Of course she was questioning if she could have hit him! But the feds determined that he WAS NOT HIT BY A CAR.

It’s arraignment not arrangement

@prettypauline6758 what official document or report have you seen about what the Feds found? What medical examiner did the Feds use to determine this? The state is going to call Dr. Irini Scordi-Bellow from the Chief Medical Examiner's Office. She actually performed the autopsy and is going to testify his injuries are in no way consistent with being in any kind of fight or altercation. And yes, I have read the official report.

Never his actions are atrocious

He could call himself a Nobel Peace Prize Winner, and his hideous reputation would still precede him.

One of my questions too! Who picked up Colin? And at what time? And there would be cctv in town main street where he lived showing him get dropped off ? Right? In a storm not many cars on road i would think. Did Colin even leave ?

Maybe because she didn't know how bad John was.

Maybe in back yard that’s where dog was and railroad and highway noise back there no one would hear and it’s snowing Remember in Copland movie they try to kill fellow cop in pool plus there was empty pool in backyard

Not sure. Certain head fractures cause instant blackening of the eyes. I’m just sure yet

Impossible considering it will be proven he never made it to the house or the backyard. That fact will be proven.

@nuorigin “It’s obvious he was murdered inside the house”. “Who knows what happened”. I don’t think these two statements belong together.