Over time, I upgraded all the parts on my 6 speed C line with Brompton SL parts (seat, pentaclip, pedals, grips, hinge clamps, frame clip, suspension block) and the rest of the parts with titanium (seatpost, handlebars, rack, fork, screws,..)... still under the price of a new P line... so there is that route also :) not having to fork out all the cash at front and learn a thing or two about your bike in the proces...
@ivanrusic can't see how you replaced, fork, triangle, rack and seat part with brompton ti parts for under £750 Aliexpress specials, maybe. But there's no way I'd trust those parts in steel, let alone the complexity of ti welding
Fair enough if you're happy with not knowing history of 2nd user parts. It's not really a fair comparison though. You've ended the 7 year warranty benefit. Also begs the question, why not just get the 2nd superlight?
A Line for me, all day long. I can buy after market mudguards and rack. I’ve ridden 3 speed hub bikes for over 60 years and just like them more than derailleurs.
Hi, can I just get a Brompton A-Line and upgrade it to have these four: 1. Racks 2. Extended rollers 3. Fenders/mudguards 4. A neat solution for lights
For a non Brompton owner who is interested in what the Brompton models are then this is a brilliant video. I now feel I know enough to start looking at the bikes out there. Thanks for explaining the ranges and what they stand for but please sit down when you are talking, your constant swaying made me feel seasick and detracted from an otherwise brilliant video.
For me, the only Brompton to buy is the Brompton T-Line. It's a work of art but as stock it's not quite a masterpiece. I wouldn't be duped by the 12-speed. Just get the 4-speed because then I would customize the bike with everything by H&H, Cane Creek, and Hubsmith Bumbee wheels. Oh, I forgot to say, at 9:54... *_YOU_* are the cream of the crop! ♥
The A-line, it's all you need (for most people's purposes). And you can upgrade parts along the way and be saving a BUNCH of money... whilst still being on a BROMPTON, which is all that truly matters, right?! 😄
I agree for a valve you point its great but as someone thats slowly upgraded it can cost a lot and a c line makes sense depending what you want to upgrade
Hi, can I just get a Brompton A-Line and upgrade it to have these four: 1. Racks 2. Extended rollers 3. Fenders/mudguards 4. A neat solution for lights
I got the 6-speed C-Line for a little over a month now (rear-rack and hub dynamo lights included) and I couldn't be happier so far. The weight isn't that much of an issue once you learn how to carry the Brompton with the saddle laying on your shoulder (you can do that both folded and unfolded, just strap the rear wheel to the main frame). For me, this technique was the "game changer" regarding weight; now I can carry the Brommie up my stairs quite easily.
I'd probably go with C-line 6 speed. That's because it is mostly available in my country. The A-line isn't coming here and neither is the T-line. So that leaves C and P. The P is WAY more intersting though! P-line 4-speed would be amazing! Tough I have never ownerd a Brompton so it is hard to justify. And also C-line comes in nicer colors. Matcha green C-line looks VERY good! I like the coral too! Also C-line leaves option open for aftermarket forks. There is no point getting a P-line and then replace the ti forks with maybe steel ones with discbrakes.
All very fair comments indeed. When I was looking at C line Matcha Green was my colour of choice. The P line is expensive for sure but strangely I would say it’s one of the best valued bikes I’ve owned but does require a lot of maintaining. Good luck with it
Good comprehensive summary 👍 I'd recommend this folder for those who need the small size/portability rather than everyday/weekend fun rides. Owing to the inefficient performance that I think you mentioned also. Mine is old and battered and needs maintenance akin to a fighter jet 😫 thanks again.
Hi. Brilliant video . Thank you very much for the effort you put in. ❤ I am a true and true roadie, I ride a sweet Orbea Orca. However, I am looking at a Brompton. I think I want 1. Racks 2. Extended rollers 3. Fenders/mudguards 4. A neat solution for lights 5. Rim brakes are fine. Question is, can I just get a Brompton A-Line and upgrade it to have those 4 I mentioned?
@@ariffau thanks for the positive comments, very much appreciated. It is indeed possible to spec all that on an A line for sure. However would honestly recommend a 2speed C line over it.
Brompton of course deserve major respect for creating the design, the brand, and the loyal culture around it, and of course the fact that they are able to convince a large number of people to pay more than they should for the product. They should read carefully the comments though under all brompton videos. If they take it in and respond adequately they can keep the party going for a couple more decades. If they don't, the comments describe why they'll lose their fan base and probably disappear (or sell the brand to someone else).
Another great and informative video - thanks! Where's the 'P1'? I love my single speed Brompton. Not a T1 (if only) but an old M1E now with mudguards. I'd always fantasised about getting a basic Brompton and customising it with belt drive and a Rohloff hub etc (although the cost would be very off putting). But after getting an 8 speed belt drive Tern S8i, my son gave me his old M1E for my 60th birthday and I started riding it and loving the ride. I changed the rear sprocket from the 12t to a 13t and, for me, this is the perfect single speed. I mostly commute (12.5 miles each way) through hilly Kent countryside and find the lack of gears strangely enjoyable. Yes you have to put in some effort but on those hills you have to do that anyway whether on my Look 566 carbon road bike or the Tern S8i. I've also done a century ride on it through some very challenging terrain (just to see if I could - and I didn't need to walk up any hills) and can honestly say I felt less fatigued after that than similar rides on the geared bikes. I now think single speed is very underrated and that gear ranges are more to do with selling bikes that riding them! Come to that, where's the 'A1'?...
This is a great comment and thank you so much for sharing, can only assume you must be in great shape for your age. I do agree with you a lot on single speeds and most likely as you say the more gears and easier you can say something is the better it sells. I've went back and forth muiplte times and when the day comes for me to get my T line I don't have a clue which one I'll plump for.
Great summary of the different lines. I've been considering 12 speed electric C vs P line and interestingly, looking at the online specs, the weight difference is listed as only 1kg, which is a much smaller difference than between the C & P same geared non-electric versions. So unless the specs are wrong, now I'm thinking the weight difference isn't worth the cost difference. Still awaiting reviews of the 12 speed electrics with a comparision between the two lines. And yes, I do plan to add the racks (plus maybe the wheel extender). So know if you plan to review the new electrics, but if not I still enjoy your videos with rides, modifications, useful bits and bobs for the bike... Btw, would love to find a loud but mellow (not shrill or high pitched) bell, if you feel like doing bell comparisions ... grin.
Thanks for the input and lovely comments. I will be doing electric bromptons ideally at some point this year! Just need to wait till my wallet recovers. Personally I'll be looking at a c line electric
@@TheBromptonGuy Great, look forward to it. Still saving for an ebike...looked at converting my old used Dahon (?2002 vintage?) but a decent new ebike would be about the same, so will just keep saving for a Brompton (besides, house needs new siding vs paint and front stairs/stoop need replaced before buying toys... grin). At least will get to see your review before buying a bike. yay!
I reckon at least 40% of this community would agree it would be a great idea however 99.9% sure it would never happen. We can dream and suppose it’s why people who modify do well. Thanks for the input
For your Brompton T-Line, would you want to customize it? Like add Hubsmith carbon wheels, a 54T chainring, Cane Creek Brakes, or H&H components? ... or would you say the T-Line is perfect as is?
@@TheBromptonGuy Me too!! Ugh!! ... but NYC streets are really rough. It's jarring riding with 16" wheels. I prefer 20" wheels. There's rumors that Brompton is making a 20" bike but I don't know how true this is.
LMAO this is brilliant! I noticed the mistake during the edit and thought "I don't think anyone will notice". Very impressed, you certainly know your stuff. You are indeed correct
I might be a lone-voice here, but I like most of the original Brompton parts. When I've purchased after-product parts, I've been disappointed. They typically broke or performed poorly. I've retuned to the original Brompton pedals, for example, as well as hinge clamps.
Without a doubt the base parts are great and would work for everyone. I’m a passionate at tinkering and feel itchy if I don’t make it mine or even more one of a kind. For sure got somethings wrong but that’s how I learn
The T-line is a Production Disaster! The new and "interesting" holes by the hinges gives access to water and a load of gravel, which are able to reach anywhere inside the frame, also on top of the - crank!! But what's to expect from a Firm which has done absolutely nothing, during al the years of Production, about possible scratches from and during the fold, but has left it to - China to built a Major Industry from producing Protective, and also many better and lighter parts for Brompton-like bikes!!! My now much former than 2019 SuperlightM6LXBrompton is presently well below 9 kilo and I expect, with a little more work on my Mudguards (I'm still a Dane!!) and brakes, I will be able to reach at least 8 kilo, and still with my heavy 6 gear, combined system? So honestly, why buy a rather lousy finished T-line (With Mudguards!), when you are able to modify an ordinary Brompton to about the same weight - with expensive titanium and carbon parts, well mostly from China, Korea and Taiwan but still for a much lower Price than a T-line! I sadly haven't met any other Brompton riders in Denmark, but I would love to give one a change to lift my still - very ordinary and Standard looking bike, to feel the difference which it is possible to reach for a Brompton! 🤔 Finn. Denmark
"Those who walk in the footsteps will never come first"! But they are able to see what faults were made and how to correct them with better parts!! Finn. Denmark
Enjoyed reading everyone's view points and maybe how Bromptons select the person, rather than the person select the bike. I've just brought a 6 speed C-Line and actually love the robust steel frame and extra weight, with wide gear ratios. As I time trial and race MTBs and use the C-Line, as part of my training. If you an get the old girl above 25mph in top gear, with a fully packed front bag, you're doing wonders for your 10TT time 😊
Love this comment and thanks for sharing. The whole point in the channel is to allow for great community input and glad it’s help you choose the correct bike
As I disc brake lover and owner of a disc brake Brompton it blows my mind it’s not an option. That said the calliper brakes have been fine but suppose it’s that old life time conversation of haters and lovers.
That's what I probably needed on my brompton BEFORE my accident. I simply put my brakes on and the rims were wet from where a water fountain had blew over water, and down I went. Ended up needing brain surgery. Was wearing a helmet, but a blood vessel broke and slowly bled for months before it was noticeable. I'm getting a new Brompton in 2025/2026.
The Brompton electric feels like an after thought ,could have been brilliant but isn't,and I love Brompton bikes think they are great but e bike not so much
The Brompton e bike faults are all things cheaper e bikes do well ,if you need to change assist modes the only way to do it is by stopping then when you need to change assist down you have to go up to top mode then back to zero , Brompton do have an app for a smart phone that can change assist levels but once again you have to stop to change levels .but the app is so unreliable it needs you remember code words so have given it up .the last real annoying thing is when you set off power comes on very quickly.having moaned about all that take the power pack off and ride like non ebike it is brilliant
6 years owning a 6 speed with no problems or costs in that time. It's never gone into the shop for anything and hasn't cost me anything in repairs and it's used practically daily. I guess they really must have messed up making my bike and providing me with a quality bike.
