Which Civ has the Best Paladin of all? | Age of Empire 2 

Fun fact, the savar is dealing more dps than all except the lithuanian paladin as it has a reload time of 1,8 (same as cavalier) while the paladin is at 1,9

Now the real one. Which is the best cavalier?

Also, Lithuanian and Teuton Paladin comes only to who hit first. Teuton +2 MA and Lithianian +2 DMG cancel each other.

for the last fight it literally comes down to who hit first as a Lithuanian with 4 relics just cancels the 2 teuton armor

You can also say that the savaran attack a bit faster than the paladins. For me, the Lithuanians with 4 relics are the best, followed by the savaran and Teutons even. In fourth I would put the Franks then the Cumans.

Hp in % IS more accuracy. Or in battle time duration

I like the style and logic that RU-vid use in your comparison and test

Overall a very fun video and the outcome seems reasonable for the most part. I do however feel that there is a bit too much focus on just 1 v 1 comparisons. Which in turn often leads to two 2 points that I feel like are often overlooked, viability (especially in 1 v 1) and unit competition, referring to how many viable units are fighting for that spot as your main army composition, as you usually won't be able to just get and upgrade them all. In that regard, I feel like the best Paladin civs tend to be the ones with a strong eco and which are naturally geared towards going heavy cav. Burgundians are pretty amazing in that part in that they make Paladins viable in most 1 v 1s and give you a big power spike in early imp. On the flip side, you have something like Magyars, which sound great on paper with the free attack upgrades, but they have absolutely no eco bonus and also amazing Cav Archers and cheaper or better Hussars, which often might be the better combo to go for. Personally, I rank them the following: 1. Franks (more hp, 40% faster creation time, smooth eco, best Paladin in general) 2. Savar (cheaper and faster to upgrade, attacks slightly faster, takes less damage from archers/defensive buildings and kills them faster, great eco, beat generic Paladins 1 v 1) 3. Teutons (+2 melee armor, conversion resistance, great eco with cheaper farms, best Paladin in 1 v 1, but lack husbandry) and 4. Lithuanians (highest ceiling with getting +4 attack potentially and great eco, but reliant on getting relics and competition from Leitis) 5. Burgundians (50% cheaper upgrades, Cavalier in castle age, amazing eco, but lack bloodlines) 6. Cumans (move 5% faster, cheaper stables and potentially amazing eco if you can pull off the 2 TCs in Feudal) 7. generic FU Paladins aka Magyars (free attack upgrades, but lack eco bonus and competition with other units), Spanish (blacksmith upgrades cost no gold, upgrades give back 20 gold, competition with other units) and Huns (stables work 20% faster, competition with other units) 8. Byzantines (a lot of competition with other units, no eco bonus, lack bloodlines and blast furnace) 9. Celts (a lot of competition with other units, lack bloodlines and last armor upgrade)

I liked the production quality of the video but I feel like you undervalued Cuman's mobility. 5% extra might not seem like much but it means they get faster surrounds on enemies.They can more easily run from camels and they can run away from other paladins when outnumbered. Also means they raid slightly better too. Finally saves a little on husbandry and while you don't consider how well these civs play out in castle age for knights it also lends to the fact that Cuman knights can reach the enemy base before most other civs. I almost forgot while not as good as Teutons resistance, they also get run away from or engage monks more easily. PS I don't even like Cumans as a civ. CA civ without bracer, I just hate that. 2 TC boom is just weird.

Man, that archer test results of yours were abysmal... Frankish paladin loses 23 % of his HP, while persian savar loses only 17 %. If you ran the test with 3 mangudai, you would see that while frankish paladin kills 1 mangudai and takes second to 52 HP, savar leaves just the third one with 44 HP alive. Mile better result. If you tried that with arbalesters, you would see a slaughter - 7 polish arbalesters (without last armor) are defeated by 1 savar, while that frankish fella goes down after just 2 kills...

Paladin is the most aesthetically pleasing unit in AOE2

Raiding: Savar,Cuman Melee: Teutons Damage: Lithuanians Special Mention in terms of general resilience : Sicilians

THis was such a joy to watch, even brewed some coffee in the morning to enjoy it even more. The Paladin one on one fights were the best part

20 years ago, when I play the game, the franks had the best paladins. Nothing has change😅

Each civ should have their own unique paladin. Lithuanians: Bajorija Huns: Logades Franks: The original paladin skin and unit Byzantines: Latinkon Burgundians: Gendarmes Cumans: Their own version of the Mamluk cavalry Celts: Highland Nobles Magyars: Banderium Spanish: Knights of Santiago Teutons: Gothic Knights Persians: The Savar was such a great addition and it's one of the most badass units currently in the game.

What if that paladin definition was a round robin? That would lead to interesting positions. And/or a round robin tournament of paladin civs and camel civs

With Lithuanians and Teutons going head to head: it should be a 50-50 (+2 melee armor vs +2 attack cancel each other out). The winner comes (and who ultimately gets second place) came down to who got the first hit. In 1v1, Burgundians have the most viable paladins (due to much cheaper upgrade cost), likely followed by Persian Savars (again due to upgrade cost). The Paladin tech is too expensive to be viable in most 1v1 games - takes about 40 Paladins for the tech to be worthwhile (and the tech itself takes a long time to research - Franks and Huns with their faster stables benefit in that area). In team games, Burgundians have a better power spike from Paladins, but lack the staying power that stronger Paladins get. I think Franks, Teutons, and Lithuanians with 4 relics are the best Paladins for team games. Magyars free attack upgrades are nice, but they're something you'd also get for other melee units (including hussar spam), so you'd likely be getting them even if you weren't going for Paladins.

Franks kill a mangudai +3 Savar kill a mangudai +1 Franks lose against teutons +1 Teotuns go to the final +1 😅😅😅 the frank preference is evident

Whoa, those elephant archer skins at 3:42 are awsome! What's that mod? Is it on steam?

Why didn't Huns get seconds place for creation speed?

The paladin with major potential: Lithuanians The strong paladin without external factors (relics): Teutons The best civilization for massive paladins creations: Franks.

Savar has less hp to begin with. Comparing hp left isn't an accurate measure. You need to compare hp % left. Savar is doing a lot better against archers which isn't coming across in your measuring the wrong thing by using absolute hp remaining rather than hp % remaining. I've seen you make this mistake in other tests as well

What mod do you use for War Elephant?

How can I make my AOE2 images as good as yours? Is it some mod?

Celts no Bloodlines nor Plate armor and Bizantines no Blast Furnace nor Bloodlines 😢

No celts no byzantines 🥶😭

The best paladin is not one. It IS a savar

All hail the Franks

In my opinion Hun bonus is better than Spanish, and also not so much weaker than Franks (Chivalry) because is free, kicks right in Castle Age, and affects also all upgrades. So I dont understand why you kicked them out.

did anyone ever research faith for paladins? like it is extremely useful, but at my elo 1200-1300 I never went up against full monks in imp (except when on war elephants)

Your unit tests were a little flawed. Comparing the absolute hp of the different units after fighting a mangudai doesnt make sense, when they have differnt hp to begin with. The persian savar had basically the same amount of hp left as most paladins but started with 15 hp less. After some more fights the savar would be so much better off than most others due to their higher armor but still they only got 1 point for that. That test should be exchanged with a different one that better represents the power of the different units.

You forgot the Byzantines :-(

Probably Lithuanians with their garrisoned 4relics

Franks should have unique Frankish paladin instead of regular one.

Nice

I prefer your actual voice to the AI voice

Celts have the best Paladin, because nobody expects them and they have a suprise factor.

franks should be first and arabs second, this based on history

you rated the speed produktion time 2 times for franks... they are completly overrated in your test. teutons easy can build with there cheaper farms more stables and outproduce france..

And Cuman is pain in the ass when you dont have Camel. I think you placed Cumans too low.

Franks

Greek?

No Byzantines bro :)))