I have the 3.5 my son has the 5.0 We often meet at lights, he’s in my rear view each and every time, love my 3.5 Twin Turbo. I over maintain everything I own and have no issues.
That's nice, just one question, if the 3.5L EcoBoost is so good and wayyyyyyy more powerful, efficient, and reliable than the 5.0 then howcome Ford used the 6.8L and 7.3L Godzilla V8s in the Super Duty as the base gas engines and not the 3.5L EcoBoost V6?
Why would Ford put an engine, that's specifically designed to go into a half ton truck.....into a 3/4 and 1 ton truck...? CJ that's a pretty dumb question
@@CJColvin Are you joking or being serious? Do you know anything about trucks, vehicle gross weight, payload, and towing? Doubt so. The 3.5 is a well proven engine by now, but all heavy/super duty trucks by Ford, GM, and Ram have distinct optional engines for ... Wait for it... Heavy/super duty applications.
You wouldn’t be able to do that with the 5.0 supercharged. You have turbos vs NA. Take the turbos off and then race the 5.0. Ecoboost is forced induction. Slap a supercharger or go twin turbo on the 5.0
I've got a 21 5.0L with 3.73 gears. It is the most fun truck to drive that I've ever owned. I put a Borla S-Type on it and the character and feedback I get out of the V8 with that exhaust system is amazing with ZERO drone. I love the 5.0L V8 performance and sound!
I currently have a 2022 5.0 with 16500 miles and ordered it with 3.73 gears, I love everything about it and my current mpg 19.3 overall since the day I drove off the dealer lot. Considering I have driven the same route and style of driving for well over 30 years it well exceeds my previous Hemi of 15.5 mpg and silverado's 5.3 of 17 mpg . Love the coyote!
Lol,and wait until gasoline goes up to $10.00 per gallon which will be very soon. No ford engines last like they used to except for our 4.0 litre inline six cylinder engine that was made here in Australia. Show me any modern ford engine that has 400,000 miles on the odometer without any major mechanical problems? You can't because all of them are throw away engines and are made to only last just beyond the manufacturers warranty. I've seen old taxis and falcons at wreckers with 400,000 miles plus on them but these barra engines were made to last with good quality components. Look at a modern day engine-so much bs plastic on them it's ridiculous, no wonder they don't last very long and it's not just ford engines-that goes for the majority of new engines these days,they are not made to last and the quality isn't there.
@@Healthliving1967maybe in your country, but the US national average is still around $3.50. Also there’s plenty of vehicles going well past their warranty, capable of going 200-250K miles which would take 10-15 years depending on how much you’re driving. Most people don’t keep their vehicles that long. Also, Australia does not have the strict carbon emissions that the US has. That’s why the American Ford Ranger does not have the nice 4-cylinder diesel that the Australian Ranger has. The engines here are forced to have all these emissions control and fuel saving tech that shortens the life span of the engines or just flat out will not work on other engines.
Dude my 5.0 3.73 f150 gets about 14mpg with mixed driving. Sure the bs milage meter will tell me otherwise, but if youre smart enough to do hand calculations youll realize youre being lied to. Im suprised you bought into it actually😂
@@rryan81 you have a valid point there, I never checked my own calculations, will look into it but it is worth noting that I most definitely buy less fuel than I did with my Hemi so probably the Ram was misleading about 15 MPG as well, also I have had it in economy mode for a year now since my youngest daughter started driving as it is much smoother shifting like a ram with no loss of power so could be part of gain in milage as well. Either way I still love the truck. 👍
2.7 been good to me 135k on it had since new and never been in shop well blow off valve leaked at 120k so I did swap a $50 part. But that's it so far. And I think it can take a 5.0 off the line cause the 2.7l spools really quick in sport mode. At least when I bought in 16 it was one of the fast 0 to 60 stock trucks
3.5 has phaser issues, the 5.0 has afm now and it’ll probably have issues down the road, when a 2.7 blows up it blows up good. I’d go with a 3.3 easier to work on, no turbos, no major issues.
The 2.7 is proving to be the most reliable it's failures (oil pump belt) are the rarest of all of them and is built just like a diesel. The 5.0 is just the fan boy answer but still a good one.
Last year when I was on the hunt for a new truck, the salesman kept insisting that I should get a 3.5 Ecoboost. I told him that I wasn't interested in any f150 that didn't have the 5.0 in it. He looked at me like I was crazy. Since the guys there weren't willing to work with me, I left that place and now I'm the proud owner of a fully loaded 6.7 Powerstroke.
I think it is interesting how the dealerships are possibly trained to sell the 3.5 eco boost. Yet most people are very happy with the 5.0 and Ford sill pushes the eco boost!
If you ask the opinion of people that all work at the same place, there's a good chance they'll share the same opinions because they talk and there's the pack mentality. For this to be more accurate, you'd have to go to various dealerships/ mechanic shops. Lastly, most people that chose the 5.0 did so based on power and there wasn't much talk of or comparison of reliability between it and the 3.5, for eg.
I remember Ford dealerships asking same question few years ago on YT n nearly ALL said 5.0lt V8. If you ask Aussie you get grandpa axe Barra turbo straight six if you could fit into F150 or reliable 5.0lt V8.
Back 10 years ago or so, I was one of the "muh V8" crowd and the Ecoboost seemed odd and out of place in a truck. When my old 97 F-150 (4.6L) finally succumbed to rust in 2015, I thought, I'd get coyote powered F-150 and that would be that. However, I actually drove a 2014 Ecoboost, and it changed my outlook. The low end and mid-range torque was way about what the 5.0L offered, I was sold. Around September of 2019. My brother needed a new(er) truck, as his heavily used 03 F-150 (also a 4.6L) finally died after nearly 300k miles and was not worth putting any real amount of money into and mine checked all the boxes what he was looking for ( crew cab, 4WD, short bed) and he made an offer on my truck. I sold it to him, and decided I wanted another truck just like the 2014. It had to have the 3.5L ecoboost. So I went down to the Ford dealership were they were stacking incentives on the remaining 2019's, and found one just like the previous 2014 ( same trim, same exterior color, same interior, but with a few extras that the 2014 didn't have, like the e-locker, nav, , and heated seats. A10/3.55 gears. As a secondary vehicle it's pretty much exactly what I needed. So I went it, and it's been great, no problems at all. My brother still has the 2014, he puts way more mileage on his truck than I do with mine (my daily is a 2016 Mustang GT FBO), The 2014 had about 46k on it when I sold it. It now has a bit over 200k. One turbo went out at around the 190k mark, my brother had both replaced as the cost to do both was only like $350 more than the cost to do one. But overall he's very happy with it. I'm of the opinion that from a truck perspective the Ecoboost is the better truck engine. With that said, the ten speed automatic favors the coyote, the coyote makes most of it's power/torque above 3500 RPM, and the 10 speed allows to stay in it's powerband better when towing. The Ecoboost brings more low end torque to the table and doesn't have to work as hard when towing something moderately heavy.
That's great though I do have one question, if the 3.5L EcoBoost V6 is so good then howcome Ford used the 6.8L and 7.3L Godzilla V8s in the Super Duty as base gas engines and not the 3.5L EcoBoost V6?
@@CJColvin Two reasons; 1. The Super Duties, having GVWRs of over 8500 pounds, don't factor into the CAFE numbers. So fuel economy isn't as high a priority as it is with the F-150, which does factor into Ford's light truck CAFE numbers. 2. Cost; the Godzilla V8's are pushrod engines, they are cheaper to make than a direct-injected, DOHC twin turbo V6.
@@CJColvin Debatable. The current Ecoboost's internals and block can handle over 850 HP. The stock turbos typically can give 550-600-ish HP. You have to upgrade the turbos to get more power than that, but the crank/rods will reliably support more. A FBO Godzilla makes around 600 HP reliably, and can push well past 1000 HP with forced induction, but a track record for it's durability with forced induction hasn't been established yet.
5.0 has the best sound by far but I am surprised so many choose it with oil consumption issue/engine knocking it has with the 2018+ model years and you got cylinder deactivation now, multiple jokes I’ve heard from mechanics about oil consumption issue and issues with cylinder deactivation in general, grant it I’d prob do the 5.0 if I wanted to a lot of customization and money isn’t a concern especially the fuel bill. Strictly stock id go for the second gen eco boost and never miss a oil change or abuse the engine.
I work at a Ford dealership myself and everyone one here says the 5.0 as well, the turbo are junk and costly to replace on the 2.7 and 3.5, nobody here wants the lightening because nobody wants there movements limited.
I came to see if it would be the 5.0 or late model 5.4 both have been around long enough that the quirks have been figured out. I loved the 3v 5.4 after I fix the cams. Never had one but my 2v did amazing and acter test deicing the 3v I was amazed. For gm I'd do the 5.3 6.0 or 6.2 non afm.
It goes with what majority of America wants. Power and reliability and barely any want electric. If the government didn't use our tax dollars to subsidize incentives for buying electric, then they wouldn't be around. The free market speaks loudly. That is despite them all but forcing car brands to promote electric vehicles over everything else.
the 3.3 is highly overlooked and underrated. Good power, good economy, simple and no premium fuel. Great engine for those that dont need/want a V8 and dont want to deal with the complexity of turbos. Great for tradespeople. V8 would be my first choice, 3.3 second.
I have a 2014 F150 with a 3.7 and have never had any problems with it, room to work on the engine, pretty good power, fast when not towing, when towing OK up to 6K (as high as I have gone) and can get 19-20 mpg in town and 22-24 on the interstate. Way better motor than I expected, I am sure the 3.3 is similar.
How does burning 1 qt of oil every 300 miles on a 2019 F150 with a 5.0 sound? Oil changed every 5k miles. Truck has currently 90k miles. Mostly highway miles. Out of warranty and looking at Tundras now with the 5.7
I have the 3.5 ecoboost, and I knew I made the wrong choice after about a year of owning it. Sounds like a lawn mower and the fuel mileage isn't as good as advertised.
I assume the Lightning fan in the golf cart is the owner and I’ll bet both my lungs that guy also own a gas or diesel pickup also if he needs to tow something more than 100 miles .
@@diesel6916 i ridnt said it was more powerful just said stock vs stock compared that the v6 has 2 turbos doesn't gap the coyote put 2 turbos on the coyote and the v6 will never reach 1000hp without blowing the engine if it reach 1000hp plus who wants a v6 sounds so bad not to mention the mpg its worst then the coyote its been proven when towing and heavy foot
You can tell the people that do not use their truck for truck stuff. If they did, they would know the ecoboost line is superior for pulling. Also makes more torque than the 5.0. I feel like I have know more people with issues with the 5.0 than the ecoboost engines. If you are buying a 21+, I would say they are all very similar on reliability. None of the f150 engines are bad in my opinion.
I just bought a 2023 F150 Platinum and a 2023 F150 Tremor. Both have the 5.0's and my Platinum has the Whipple. I did the install myself. I am a retired Ford Senior Master technician that now teaches automotive technology at Lone Star College here in Conroe Texas. I waited 27 years to buy a new vehicle (my last new vehicle was a 1st gen Lightning) and somehow my wife let me get two!!! God is good and life is good! Great video sir.
How do y'all pick your projects for school? I have a 2000 f250 with the 2 valve 5.4. It has 316k on the original motor and transmission. Would like to pick your brain about an overhaul. I live in Conroe too.
@@AT-wl9yq you might not say that about the 2nd gen either. Theres a reason I went 3.5. If you get a good 2nd 5.0, youd better be damn thankful. The newer ones, hell to the no.
I have had the 2.7 and a couple of 3.5's ,the 2.7 was absolutely amazing given it's size.I'm not a v8 guy so I think if buying new the 2.7 for me,although that PowerBoost impresses me as well
Personally after owning 3.5, 5.0 and a 2.7. I like all but I think the most versatile engine is the 2.7. Reasonably good power. Can still tow, if properly equipped, and it gets great gas mileage. The other 2 were also good engines, the 2.7 just meets all my needs.
@@andrewk8636yes we have several in our fleet at work with over 300k on them with no very minimal issues... Biggest issue with them is oil leaks and purge valve going out... Other than that they are good
I have a 15’ 2.7 with 80k mi. Pulled heavy trailers no problem. So far no engine failure. Changed plugs at 75k and all still looked real gd. I’m just thankful that we have a gd variety of motors to choose from.
That's great, though I do have one question, if the 3.5L EcoBoost V6 is so good, extremely powerful, extremely fuel efficient, and very dead reliable, then howcome Ford used the 6.8L and 7.3L Godzilla V8s as the base gas engines and not the 3.5L EcoBoost V6?
@CJColvin that's simple, it's called a duty cycle. Think of a welder, yes it's powerful but it wouldn't hold up to 24 hr all day abuse like a 6.8 or 7.3. Buy the way 5.0 wouldn't hold up to it either.
I had a 2018 XLT with a 5.0 and I currently have a 2021 King Ranch with the 3.5 Ecoboost. I've liked both to be honest. My 2010 Lariat had the 5.4 and it was solid as well. My 1997 F250 with the 7.3L Turbo was one of a kind however.
I never wanted a 2.7 ecoboost because i thought trucks had to have V8s lol but i ran across the perfect truck great price low miles with a 2.7 so i researched them and bought it and could not be happier!!! What I think is a lot of guys like me are reluctant to go with such a small displacement motor and we're all V8 guys but after driving that 2.7 it'll Stomp most V8 it will even walk a coyote for a few block. Crazy these small displacement turbo motors are making more torque and horsepower than the V8s of long ago.
5.0 all the way. I have a 2013 with 180,00+ miles. Very dependable and bulletproof if maintained properly. Plenty of power and still over 18mpg running 80 down the interstate.
@@BrianBourgeois- It's not super rare. There is a bulletin out on it for those years. My friend runs a local machine shop that repaired mine. He says they are coming in like clockwork for this issue. Literally as I dropped mine off to get done, they were just finishing another guys with the same problem. Inferior metal was used for the intake valves and they updated the part at the tail end of 2013. Mine shouldn't even have been affected being a November built 2014. I was down to 50 PSI on Cyl 8. 70 PSI on Cyl 4. Those ones were worn so bad, to a razor edge i could cut paper with them. Every single other valve in my motor was worn but not as bad at the rear two cylinders. I have pictures with the heads off. They think above the issue with the valve material there is a lack of cooling to the rear two cylinders and that's why they wear out first.
@@evictioncarpentry2628 there is a bulletin for any problem that has every happened to any vehicle. I'm sure they do come in like clockwork they made 1 million of them and where else would they go get valve work done. Walmart?
I think both the 5.0 and the 3.5 Ecoboost are very reliable. Less they can go wrong on the Coyote but still I would get either. Lots of times the sound of the 5.0 is the reason it’s the winner.
I ordered a new F150 about 3 weeks ago. I went 5.0. Reason I went F150 was they were the only manufacturer now that offers a regular cab, short box, v8 configuration. I was actually hoping to get a Chevy with a 6.2L, but GM only offers the 5.3L on regular cab, and that is only with long box. Regular cab are a dying breed.
There is no replacement for displacement. The guy that wanted a Lighting never had to drive where cold weather cuts range dramatically, and he really likes his golf cart. Kinda the same.
Part of me does think a Tremor with a 5.0L, and adding the supercharger and maybe some aftermarket shocks, would be like 75%-80% a Raptor R for 60% the money.
@aggiewoodie What's the point of a lifted truck with all that power? I drove my brothers roush charged f-150, and I found the power to be useless. Rear wheels would just spin. Of course you can control the throttle to prevent spinning, but at that point it's not fast anymore.
Don't matter. All manufacturers make vehicles today with known problems for years and they refuse to fix bad designs. The repairs are dumped on the customer.
Great topic and great answers! Is Ford making fewer V8 F150's and "forcing" Ecoboost engines on buyers? I ask because my local ford dealers very very rarely have a 5.0V8 in an F150. Nearly every truck has the 2.7 or 3.5 EcoBoost.
Had. 2015 mustang with the 5.0 90k miles. Beat the heck out of it. The only thing i had to do to it was change the oil and filters. Bullet proof! Got 15mpg average which is better than i get on my 2016 ford fusion 1.5L turbo 4 cylinder currently averaging 14mpg.
3.5 doesn’t get enough love, I own one and it’s been amazing. Nice power, love the turbos spooling up, just get yourself a catch can added and your golden.
3.5 tends to get all the love. All the reviews of the f150 have the eco boost the truck. I get the feeling ford wants to push the eco boost but the guys who work on them know what’s best!
F the EcoBust. I have a friend who's been a technician at the same Ford dealer for 24 years now. He won't own an EcoBust in a truck. He says "I work on them all day. I don't want to work on them at home too."
351k miles on my 2015 F150 with the Coyote 5.0 V8... Legit nothing but a couple of tune-ups and oil changes since new. Still running the original coil packs, alternator, A/C system, and belts/hoses. It doesn't burn oil, and still has as much power as the day it came new off the lot from Davis Ford Sales in Fulton, Ms! LOVE my F150 V8!
Awesome brother gotta love the 5.0L Coyote V8, I have a 2011 Ford F150 with a 5.0L Coyote V8 in it with 160,000 miles on it and still going strong and its a beast and it sounds like a beast with the Borla ATAK exhaust on it as well.
@jamesrhyne7894 Mostly 7-10k mile changes on synthetic oil... I will say that while using the factory spec 5w20 oil it runs fine, but it seems noisier at idle. So I now run full synthetic Rotella 5w40, which makes it idle smooth and quiet, and the fuel mileage didn't change at all surprisingly. I've been running the thicker oil for about the last 100k miles with no issues. I do, however, ONLY use a Motorcraft oil filter. The cheap aftermarket filters can make it tick at start-up after sitting overnight. But I've never had that issue running a Ford Motorcraft filter.
5.0Ls are easy to maintain and don't have as bad as phaser issues and the 3.5 has timing problems as well. Not to mention this comparison of power comparing an NA truck to a forced induced truck. We can make it a fair comparison and put the same 14 psi of boost and turbos on the coyote, and it will have a lot more power.
If it’s 3.5 all day then why do you think they made the Raptor R? 3.5 is tapped out for reliable power. Plus no one wants a minivan sound coming out of their performance vehicle.
@@jonathanroberson122 well yes it does but to counter that argument, the 5.0 has 2 more cylinders. So there really is no disadvantage between the two, same goes with other half-ton V8s. Plus we’re talking factory vs factory. The moment you put a super on the 5.0 or bigger turbos on the 3.5, it’s no longer factory.
@@robmd3851Raptor R was made in response to the TRX. Both vehicles are over the top pavement princesses. You don’t need 700 hp to go 110 mph off-road when a 400 hp motor can do the same. You will be limited by range. All that money for an occasional romp in the desert with a vehicle that’s lucky to get 10-11 mpg on the highway. If they offered a NA 5.0 in the Raptor, I guarantee that will outsell any other off-road truck on the market.
@@jaysson1151 exactly, they couldn’t make a 3.5 or larger ecoboost V6 compete. The 3.5 like all of the other turbo eco setups were designed to make the EPA + CAFE happy.
Great video, I have a 2011 Ford F150 with a 5.0L Coyote V8 in it with 160,000 miles on it and still going strong and its a beast and it sounds like a beast with the Borla ATAK exhaust on it as well.
Just hit over 100K on my 2013 platinum 4x4 4dr 3.5 eco poop. Runs like a top, have a slide in pop up camper with a boat or four-wheeler behind her in tow. Here in Montana she sure gets a workout and with the turbos their great in the higher elevations. My best and only advice is to change the fluids on 3.5 on time, every time.
Same. I brought mine to MT from the East Coast and it performed way better in altitude. The problem there in MT is if you need anything done. Two weeks to a month to even get in a garage at most places. For regular maintenance too. That and finding housing is ridiculous up there.
Wish Ford still offered the 3.0L Diesel. I switched to Chevy after being an exclusive ford buyer for more than a decade (including for my business). I get almost 30mpg and with 460 lb/ft of torque it can tow/haul everything we need for our business and it barely drops in mpg.
I'm not sure how many generations the EB has, but the F-150 can be found with Gen 1-3 Coyote 5.0 engines based on what year you purchase. I personally would not get an F-150 with a Gen 1 coyote. My Gen 1 coyote spun a rod bearing in my 2012 Mustang GT at 120K miles. I changed the oil every 3-5K mikes so there were no extended mileage oil changes. I'm very particular about my maintenance and I only use quality oil. I also do the oil changes myself to make sure that it's done right and that the old oil gets drained out as much as possible. I'm in the process now of putting a Gen 3 short block with my Gen 1 heads, cams, and a 2018 intake back into my mustang. You cannot use Gen 3 heads on your Gen 1-2 Coyote trucks, you can use the short block though. The first run of Gen 3 engines had some bad oil consumpsion issues and spray bore liner flaking, so I would also not get a first year Gen 3 truck. They seem to have fixed those issues in the latest trucks. To me the best 5.0 Coyote truck you can get would be one that has the Gen 2 motor (2015-2017) and 6R80 Transmission. The heads are better flowing than Gen 1, they have a stout rotating assembly, and they do not have direct injection. Gen 2 Coyotes are sought after in the mustang community, and bring a higher premium.
Unfortunately, where I live, the 5.0 is not available. So in the Philippines, it would be the 3.0 Diesel. It's the only available engine here. Also I would love to have a King Ranch but it too is not available, only the Lariat. Also, only specific dealers have it. not all dealers here sell it so, I would be doing all my own service. Not a bad problem but a little inconvenient for warranty work.
With 250k miles on my 1st gen 3.5 ecoboost (2011 F-150) , I feel like it's plenty reliable. It's got plenty of power and it's been bulletproof! My 2021 Bronco 2.7 has 80k miles on it, totally reliable. Without a supercharger, the 5.0 gets dusted by the 3.5 ecoboost. I pulled my turbos at 230k, to replace an exhaust gasket, and they looked damn near new.
@@petros13A depends on the application and the specific turbo... Also a lot depends on the maintenance of the vehicle. Oil changes need to be more frequent than Ford recommends and they need high quality oil, not just whatever you get at the oil change place... And I have seen my share of shenanigans at oil/lube shops. They tried that on my last oil change when I specifically requested mobil one full synthetic and I caught them pumping some random crap into my truck... Made them empty it and put the right oil in.
@@mpeugeot regular maintenance and a good synthetic are key for keeping them that way. 2015 3.5., Mobil One every 3-5k for 130k so far and Im golden. Its seen both coasts a couple times, been through -50 degree blizzards in MT to well over a hundred in the deep southern states. No issues. This truck has surprised me more often than not.
I got a gen 2 coyote out of a procharged 2015 mustang. It spun a bearing and I bought it for 600 bucks. It’s got built parts from MMR. Looking forward to dropping it into an SN95….
The excuse about reliability between the eco boost and 5.0 is horse crap! The key to keeping turbos tip top is frequent oil changes with high end synthetic oil. I have a 2021 F-150 with the 2.7 and it’s got plenty of power and plenty of torque as well. Very impressed with it so far. The only issues with the 2.7 and 3.5 is the buzzy sound the engine makes with an aftermarket exhaust. Of course the 5.0 holds that title for best sound.
I actually thought they'd all say 2.7 TT. I have the 5 liter in a 19 regular cab 2wd and the MPG readings are shockingly high. Under ideal conditions (65F, no wind, going from about 50 to 60mph) I set out from Chicago to Volo IL (about 40 miles) and pulled into the destination with the DIC reading 32mpg. It knocks and emits white oil smoke. Dealer said it's normal...we'll see!
For me I chose the 5.0L Coyote V8 over the EcoBoost anyday, if the 3.5L EcoBoost V6 is so good then howcome Ford used the 6.8L and 7.3L Godzilla V8s and not the 3.5L EcoBoost V6 as the base gas engine?
I have a ‘21 Powerboost and have driven a friends 5.0. I really missed the torque and acceleration when driving the 5.0. I trade every 4 years When I get to 50k miles, so longevity is secondary to fun.
