I have 332,000+ miles on my 2013 super crew F150 with a 5.0, it’s still runs as good as the day I bought it brand new. I’ve done a few repairs, but nothing major as far as the engine is concerned. I rebuilt the transmission at 230,000 miles had the timing cover gasket and water pump replaced at 260,000 miles and have replaced both catalytic converter’s over the last 40,000 miles. I purposely did not buy the eco-boost even though it made a little more power. I always go to the old adage My dad taught me, a candle that burns twice as hot, burns half as long. This has been one of the best vehicles I have ever owned.
I’m a coyote v8 fan. Best v8 ford has built since 1995. Although turbo engines can be very reliable if executed properly. I have a 265,000 Volkswagen Passat 1.8t. Still has full compression and uses no oil. Remember the turbo engines are generally much lower compression, and only see high cylinder pressure under high load, boosted situations. On the highway or cruising speeds. You are under vacuum. I would say on a daily drive my car is boosting less than 3% of the time. Now these new cheaply made aluminum block turbo 4 bangers are crap. Turbo engines do best with a cast iron block and quality internals in the short block.
I have owned 2 3.5 ecoboosts. Traded my first one with 175000 ish miles on it. The one I have now has 150000 miles. No issues in either one. No it's not as reliable as the 5.0 but it's a great engine.
You just confirmed for me that choosing a 5.0 over the twin turbo v6 was worth effort. I recently got a 2013 with the 5.0. They are a lot harder to find than the v6s. But I wanted less maintenance and I enjoy my v8s.
The normally aspirated V-8 engined trucks if you’re going to keep long term are the best option. To be honest, if you want to bet on absolute reliability go with a Toyota truck from the last generation non-turbo era.
@@993mike I know. Tundras are great trucks. But hard to find a good deal on one when on a budget. Finding one with the 5.7 and lower miles is tricky where I am. Prices are unreal. I had 2021 Tacoma trd sport. Nice truck but just out grew it. So far I’ve been enjoying the f150.
You spend 70-90k on these new trucks and they're still pos for what you pay. It's insane. Someone needs to start a car company that sells just simple basic vehicles that they don't redesign everything every 4 years. They'll be cheaper and would eventually be bullet proof
No excuse for the current quality in the newer cars, but a lot of the cost in new vehicles can be attributed to more and more fuel economy requirements and safety updates.
Why do you think GM is slowly phasing out the LS V8s. They're easy to work on and bullet proof as long as you do general maintenance. They don't get phenomenal fuel mileage, but they're well designed and reliable as hell.
I must have won the jackpot. 267k on my 2012 3.5L f150 I bought new. It is BY FAR the best engine I've ever owned. Original turbos, no cam phaser issues. It pulls hard and I do tow some pretty heavy trailers from time to time. Perhaps it would be a gamble, but I'd probably buy another. Great comparison video and I'd also have no qualms owing a 5.0 either.
I have 127k on my 3.5 and I replaced the waterpump and coolant fittings on the turbos. The truck runs great and I also tow a lot. It's been good to me.
Typical Ford owner, “I haven’t had any problems with it….just had to replace a transmission cooling line, the alternator, the head gasket, has a slight radiator leak at 65,000 but other than that it’s bulletproof “…
08 SCREW 4.6 with 200k miles on it. Still drives and rides like new. Not a single leak or issue. Will get a new truck when someone totals this one out.
Thanks for the video! I’ve fixed the manifold in the driveway and what a horrible job and so many parts. I can’t wait to check the vacuum pump now that it’s winter. I’ve also noticed the truck since day one is always moist. I always ran it with the dehumidifier on. Can’t wait to check for the leaking window,
Always a Ford truck guy, including Broncos, I gave up on Ford trucks when the oil pan on my 92 F150 (new then) rusted through after 6 years and Ford wouldn't cover a thing. But yet my 77 Ford Thunderbird has been through every Wisconsin winter and the engine was rock solid.
I tried to tell my dad that he shouldn’t buy an eco boost (I own a 2017 5.0L). He insisted that he needed the greater towing capacity that the eco boost offered. Less than 40k miles he already had to have cam phasers replaced. Ever since, he’s had over heating issues. It’s always been a junk engine. I don’t care what the manufacturer is, direct inject just introduces more problems. Good video. Accurate representation. For all the nay sayers…. This is the guy who sees a much bigger cross section than your one off, “I’ve never had a problem” scenario. It’s not that there aren’t eco boosts that make it 300k without issues. There certainly are. It’s that as a general rule…. They’re a much more problematic engine than the (pre-2018) 5.0L. 2018+, there’s not an f150 drive train I’d be interested in purchasing. IMO they’re all junk. Unless Ford changes their ways… I’ll be going Toyota or Nissan for my next half ton truck. Thankfully, my 2017 5.0L has allot of life left in it. So I won’t be worrying about that decision for sometime.
Couldn't have said it any better. I think the Allen Mulally era Fords were the best. I don't need a third vehicle but couldn't pass up a 14 F150 5.0 6R80 SCREW 5'7" with the loaded 502A equipment package. It was a trade in a few weeks back so made and offer and bought it. Has 146k on the clock but runs and drives like a top. I expect it to go another 100k 🙂
@@raincitywrench117 F150 5.0 6R80 4x4 is the best combo out there i have one of the last Nov 2017 models before the 10speed and the cylinder/oil consumption issues. fingers crossed it lasts forever, it will do 19mpg towing a small trailer with my side by side and 24mpg on a run if it keep it at 60mph, even at 70 mph it will do 19-20ish the ecoboost 3.5's for feel a bit more lively and less heavy footed but the 5.0 is no slouch and I'm happy sacrifice a little tiny bit of performance for trouble free motoring
I worked at a Ford dealership from 2014 till late 2019 ,and from my experience I would not own a 3.5 eco boost, our work bays stayed full with 3.5 eco boost problems censors, cam fazers , timein chain ,turbo problems and oil consumption problems, I’m a Ford guy but the 3.5 is a real problematic engine, we very seldom had any troubles out of the coyote and the 2.7 eco boost they are rock solid engines
In January of this year I bought a 2018 Ford F-150 with the 5.0 engine. It had almost 96,000 miles on it. I put over 20,000 miles on it. It's been good to me
You must have a very short memory, 5.0 breaking valves springs, oil consumption complaints, ticking from the right bank… should I go one? The 2.7 with oil pans leaking, cylinder head issues for oil consumption. The gen 1 3.5 is a great engine with a great service history. Most of the turbo failures are due to lack of lubricator because of poor maintenance or using “budget” oil filters.
My 2018 F150 5 Liter is fantastic. Just turned 100k miles. Bought used with 30k a year & a half ago. Did dozens of cross country trips moving my household 1500 miles. Love the truck. 26 mpg on the highway, 20 around town. Zero leaks, super low maintenance. Oil/filter changes regularly, etc. Rear brake pads. Nothing else. Given what new trucks cost I'll rebuild this one if I ever wear it out.
2017, Same here on the MPG. Sweet Spot, for mileage is 65 MPH. Towed U-Haul one and two axel trailers through the Virginia and Kentucky Mountains, unbelievable mileage and towing performance. Only surprise was the Engine Braking It’s really hard to find anything about this in the owners manual, is my only complaint to Ford.
@@vlad1889 Yeah, my 2019 F150 5.0 super cab 4 wheel gets around 18 mpg in my small town and I am not driving it hard. On the highway it can get 21 mpg or better Towing my 3200 pound travel travel gets around 12 mpg. I think the engine will hold up but the 10 speed transmission sounds bad and can shift hard
@Michael Weaver I'm talking an actual city, not a small town. With traffic, many stops and idle time. I'm getting around 20 with my powerboost and you guys claiming the same with. 5.0
2013 5.0 owner, only issue was upper radiator hose fitting leaking. 106k miles, no oil issues, no leaks,only use FL-500s filters change at 7.5k. At around 75k miles been running a 5 star 87 octane tune, no issues. Drain and filled the tranny at 40k and 90k with motorcraft LV, trans shifts strong. Drive the truck hard and routinely haul heavy payload.
I own a 2014 super crew 3.5L TT, 103K miles on the clock and, so far, no issues with it (knock on wood). It has been a great truck. I do mine own maitainence on it. The oil and filter have been changed every 5K miles since the truck was new.
I HATE sunroofs. I've had a couple cars with sunroofs because they were automatic with the trim level I wanted. Fortunately they rarely leak if you open them 3 times in 10 years.
have had four different 3.5 ecos, and one 2.7 eco. not one of these have had any of the problems shown here. they have been extremely reliable for me, and I love how they do not need to get high rpm to produce good power.
@@alanmorrison3598 Usually retire them around 170k-180k simply because they have been visually beat up pretty hard (dents, torn seats, etc.). They lead very hard lives. 2 of my salesmen are over 250k now. They take good care of theirs though. Other than the occasional alternator or faulty sensor, they regularly live up to expectations.
I've got a 2012 f150 XLT 5.0 V8 for my work truck and never had any major issues. So far I've had a turn signal lever fail, leaking oil pan gasket, cracked coolant hose, and a bad oil pressure sensor. All of which have been relatively easy fixes. Not too bad for a truck with 189,000 miles.
I have the same year and model but with 255k miles. I haven’t had any major issues but I’ve had all the items you listed minus the oil pressure sensor. I’m glad I went with the 5.0 vs the ecoboost.
I had that exact same year 5.0. Rock solid reliable truck. Now I have at 2022 F250 6.2L :) I had to get the 6.2 mated to the 6-speed now, because the 6.2 won’t even be available 2023+. They have a new 6.8L as tbe default option now, and I suuure hate beta testing. Can’t go wrong with 6.2/6spd
My ‘14w/the 5.0 n 135k is dry underneath n other than replacing the 0- rings in the cooling lines for $10 n replacing the fluids early in the driveline it’s great. Only issue is keeping the battery charged as it’s not driven enough but I have a good program for that.
I have a 1993 Chevy S10 with the 4.3L. 310,000 miles with not one issue. 1 water pump, plugs and wires, all new hoses, new a/c pump. That's the only maintenance I've done other than oil changes. But I don't drive it much anymore. The frame is rotten. We drive it around the farm a little bit. But she's still running.
This is why I bought a used 5.0. 2016 just turned over 85,000 and I'd suggest an oil air separator to keep oil vapor from getting into the engine via the PCV system. I love my truck
My 2011 F-150 5.0L 212k miles. Around 10k miles back had rear main seal and oil pan seal done. Also had lead frame connector issue and had it replaced. Recently did water pump and hoses. Then had a parasitic current draw on battery. I was very close to buying a new truck as the current draw was hard to figure out and was getting frustrating. Got lucky and found someone on the Ford forum who had same issue. It ended up being the backup camera harness had corrosion and that was the cause. Even with those issues it's still cheaper then a new truck payment.
The water leak on the steel bodied trucks was the damn 3rd brake light gasket letting water in and running down the inside of the cab structure to rot out the cab corners. Also, the inner rocker panels had giant holes stamped into them when built and a sticky tape to cover them up. The tape eventually falls off leaving the rockers open to every kind of debris to fill them up and rot them from within. I actually had sparrows building nests in my truck in the rocker panels.
Clean out the holes in the pinch welds, if you don’t have some, make them, then warm up petroleum jelly and shoot it in with a turkey baster. No rocker rot in 25 year old daily drivers. Actually no rot….fluid film every 2 years. Not a red spot on my truck.
Also a 1" hole in each corner where the cabcorner bends. My light doesn't leak its the damn factory holes the cause the rust out. I've used oil and spray the areas, been working fine.
*ANY turbo engine is going to add maintenance and complexity* My 2015 3.5 EB is still strong tho. I got the platinum with the shifter in the console and the 4WD Auto mode which seems pretty friendly on the asphalt and love how sporty it is and how much QUICKER it is than the V8 trucks. It is still a fun truck. And after I had upgraded the Sync Touchscreen to the newer version with Android Auto etc I am not in a hurry to get rid of it. Oh, the V8's with the cylinder deactivation nonsense are often WORSE than a turbo engine for longevity issues. Keep that in mind!
2013 eco boost. Very hard life. 146K miles. Just now getting ready to do timing chain and overhaul myself. Very few issues, other than the damn blend door actuator going out on the passenger side. Decently simple fix thanks to the tips from FTM channel. But I couldn't imagine a better truck. Company I worked for had Chevy and ram trucks. They all had more problems even with an easier life. It's all luck of the draw
I just took the part out and zip tied it in the recirc position and unplugged the actuator. PITA and I wasn't about to take everything apart to actually replace the part (if you have any tips and tricks, please let me know!)
@@M855Patriot my only tip would be to wear gloves if you were actually replacing it. It my brother in law and myself maybe an hour, but it required more than one human being. I tore my hands up pretty good that day.
I work for a utility,fords chevy/gmc and dodge in many trims,ford makes the best truck overall, many problems with dodge but Gm trucks are total trash! Personal truck is a tundra, I tow trailers haul loads and it has been much more reliable at 100000 miles than any domestic
2013 FX4 5.0 here. Water pump replacement at 65K & 98K. Blower motor replaced at 70K. Timing chain issues at 103K going to get it fixed next week [currently at 104K]. Driver side wheel assembly needs to be replaced. Strut assembly replaced at 103K. Countless electronic issues and button failures.. all fairly easy to replace though. I am meticulous with maintence and don't beat on the truck..i will be selling the truck once the market simmers.
I don't have any experience directly with the 3.5TT, but this is what I've heard over and over again. I had a 2002 4.6 2V, it had 244K miles when I got rid of it and never an issue with the engine. I mean, it was a dog, but it was a bulletproof dog. I now have and will continue to have a 2013 5.0L and it's great, it's reliable and isn't a dog. I have had a minor issue or two, like a radaitor connector issue and am oil pan gasket fixed, other than that, nothing and it just turned 190,000 miles. I even tow probably 10-15% of the time. I pull about 15-15.5mpg, however towing only nets me about 11mpg. It's super quiet, smooth and the power comes on very even and nicely.
Can't say for the 1st gen, but my 2nd gen Ecoboost has been extremely reliable and sitting at 130k. This engine is amazing and a couple bolt ons and a tune unlocks a good amount of HP.
A pretty consistent issue I have been seeing is the bushing in the CDF drum of the transmission. It shifts and ends up slicing into the Teflon seals. It makes sure erratic shifting and false neutrals. The way I diag it is to clear the adaptive tables and if it gets worse it's almost always the CDF drum.
Thanks for the info, I’ll have to take a look under mine. I had a 2010 5.0 engine that I thought was pretty solid, good gas mileage. Sold it after 8 month due to hail damage. I replaced it with a 2011 3.5 - I love the power, it tows my Travel Trailer with no issues and kicks ass on mountain passes. I just wished it got the gas mileage that the window sticker stated 15/21, I’m lucky to get 15 on on mostly hwy travel.
I have a 2015 5.0 gen 2 coyote. No complaints about the engine, mostly just accessories. Both accessory belt tensioners had to be replaced early on, then next to no issues other than maintenance. My scariest issue was the transmission cooler lines rotting through, you don't catch that early it can destroy the transmission. The rest of the work on the truck has been me being way over protective. I've replaced the entire suspension all around due to wanting an upgrade, added swaybar at the back and upgraded the front,. Replaced all wheel bearing at 75000 Km, U-joints and all drive train fluids/filters. Replaced spark plugs at about 50000km. did new rims and tires all around about 5 years into owning it. I foresee this vehicle lasting at least 25 years.
Great video, my instincts and much research said go with xlt150 coyote, had all the maintenance records since the warranty was up. Had to put a Motorcraft thermostat in to stop the fans. Was a superintendents lease truck, probably mostly highway, being in the trades about the only thing they haul is paychecks on Thursdays. Did get a new battery terminal from Dorman, it was neglected, cleaned up the old one and p068a code went away, was -4 out, deal with that in warmer weather for piece of mind otherwise no complaints so far, knock on wood. Oh and the mykey sucks, adjusted some settings and turned off ign, now I have to get another key to get back into the menu...
I have a 1st gen 3.5 in my 11 F150 with 323,576 all original and still going strong, regularly pull our 26’ Trophy fishing boat and a 30’ camper, not at the same time of course lol. I love my ecoboost.
@@TheGrobe nope, not a single thing, only thing I’ve had replaced are the exhaust manifolds because they warped and of course the basic tune up like plugs and coils, but I just change the oil regularly with Ford Motorcraft oil and a ford 500s filter.
@@ADVF800GS That’s way less than I’ve done to my 5.4 L at 170,000 miles! Granted I’m guessing most of yours are easy highway miles, still very impressive.
@@TheGrobe My mileage is 50/50, during the winter time I do Gas/pellet fireplace repairs and maintenances, during the summer I do mobile boat detailing & audio/lighting installations and moor repairs, I have even done hotshot hauling with this truck for a while and hauled a storage container loaded with some peoples stuff for moving from LA to Reno, I just keep it clean and do my own maintenance, the manifolds I had ford do because of the oil & coolant lines, but other than that it’s been an absolute wonderful truck.
@@ADVF800GS Color me surprised! Thanks for the info. I just put about 7K into mine and in the next couple years when it has another major thing go wrong, I need a plan for a newer truck. I hate to say it but, I think Ford is the only reliable American brand and driving a Toyota creates other issues I don’t want to deal with. I travel a lot to see family and I pull a 33 foot trailer a couple thousand miles a year. So if I’m going to spend that kind of money on something, I have to know that it’s going to last a few hundred thousand miles and I don’t exactly trust the Ford salesman when he tells me it will! Thanks again bud!
Great video! As tech for 12 years I think videos like this are really helpful for people looking to buy older vehicles. Like you mentioned in the video if you have wrenched for long enough at a busy shop. You can look at the age and mileage of vehicle and know with about 80% accuracy what its going to need in repairs even before you put eyes on it.
In 2011 I had to decide weather it would be a 5.0 or an eco boost for the new truck. Being the conservative sort went with the 5.0 even though PR at the time was heavily weighted to the eco boost. Now have 135k on the 5.0 and have had zero problems. Just finished a 15,000 mile trip from the east coat to Alaska and back with the travel trailer. Ran perfectly.
It mostly comes down to engine maintenance and how you drive the truck. If you don’t change the oil in ecoboost engines at least every 5k you’re going to have issues over time. I guarantee most of the failures with turbos and the timing chain issues are caused by lack of maintenance.
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I currently own a 2014 f150 lariat 4x4 it has the 3.5L eco boost and has 263K miles and no issues from what I've seen on the forms its more about maintenance, and for some reason a hit or miss I just keep up with its maintenance, nothing special, my goal with it is to see if it can get a million miles off of it.
I owned a 6.0 powerstroke and got 278000km on it before I wrecked it jumping it 70 feet into a farmers field. It only ever needed an ficm, ipr valve and 2 steering pumps. Ran amazing when I wrecked it. I have a 13 ecoboost f150 I bought new in Dec 2012 it has 322000 km on it. Had the dealer do timing chains at 140 under special conditions as I was out of warranty but had every single maintenance record to prove the truck was well maintained. No rattle for about 100000km then it came back. Only first start of the day, so I just put my foot to the floor on the gas pedal and the truck won't start but it primes the oil and 9 times out of 10 it won't rattle. It's not worth it to fix. Had an hvac unit fail but only because 22lr casing went down the dash vent and jammed up the mode door, 1600$ later. For some reason it likes to eat upstream driver side 02 sensors. The door latch mechanisms fill with dust and jam which leaves you unable to get in the truck. They are junk. I change spark plugs every 50k as it starts to miss while passing. Minor coolant leaks from turbos. It has been a tough truck and is still a great drive. I hope to get another 100k out of it if I can. I do my oil changes every 5000km as fuel in the oil can be a problem with long intervals which wears the timing chains out faster. I would buy it again, it gave me ten years of loyalty, it needs tires and gas. Good to go.
Yeah, I've replaced just about everything you've mentioned on my 2016 3.5. It sucks, but the alternative in this market is worse. If you have to get someone else to do the work it's definitely in the thousands, but doing it yourself it isn't quite as pricey. Just did the passenger valve cover and vacuum pump and did all the Jiffy connects last year. That was a major pain in the butt. I wouldn't recommend a 3.5 used since you're dealing with so many unknowns. If you get it new and can maintain it, I think they do OK. Mine has done an amazing job towing through steep mountain terrain.
My friend the 302 just about bulletproof no turbos to blow it don't have the problem with the bolts on the exhaust braking it's just like the old days 302 don't give much problem at all
2015-2017 5.0 Gen2's are the best. Steel oil pan, no cylinder deactivation, or auto start stop to mess with. And no oil consumption problems. Sold my 2019 with the Gen3 due to the oil consumption and 10 SPD (10R80) tranny problems. Still got my 2016 5.0 with the 6spd tranny and it is flawless. Side note: put a catch can on the 5.0s.
Yep my 2015 5.0 will stall at idle if I run oil to 5k, that 5.0 is solid I tow 8k with 3.31 gears lol she is holding up but intake runners broke towin replace mani and seen alot of oil in mani. Installed catch can 21 ported gt mani with oz omega tune and jlt cai 👌👍
@@spiceyfrenchtoast9421 I had alot of oil in my manifold when I changed it. I live in cold climate lots of milky stuff. Lots of engines have blow by and gases from cold starts you're simply catching most of it. Recommend people like me who do lots of short trips. Thin as oil and direct injection it's a must!
Have owned 8 F-150 Supercrews. All but 2 were V8's (old 5.4 and then 5.0 Coyotes). Honestly never kept them long enough for major issues but always was a little nervous about the long term potential of my EcoBoost trucks. Just bought the 2022 FX4 with a 5.0 and now that I am retired and "bumming" around the USA a bit, I have 100% confidence in my ability to take this thing 150k+ (Now at 11,000 so it's a newborn).
@@raincitywrench117 I really believe that depends on your maintenance. You have to do oil changes on the 3.5 has to be every 5000 miles or every year, like any other turbo motor. I think a lot of people think they can get in a drive and forget . And you can’t.
Have owned my 2015 3.5 ecoboost since new and still runs great. Had to replace a $75 O2 sensor so far🤞 change the engine oil/air filter every 3-5k depending on conditions.
My bother has a 2014 3.5 with 201,000 miles on it and the only problem he's had is the transmission slipping. So he replaced all the lines, oil and the pickup tube inside of the transmission now no slip!
From a mechanic stand point the 5.0 looks like a really easy engine to work on in the truck. When comparing it to the 5.4 3v and 5.4 2v - 4.6. The older ford engines in the trucks are pain in the ass to work on when compared to Chevy or Dodge. Happy people are reporting good things. If I bought a Ford truck I would probably go with the 5.0
I have a 2015 F150 Platinum with the 3.5 EcoBoost with 149,790 miles. Knock on wood - No Problems at all...ever. Only changed breaks, tires & trany fluid once and the plugs. Change the oil every 6K with Mobil 1 full synthetic. Strong & fast engine 💪 👌
I prefer the Ecoboost myself, although I do my own repairs. Recently replaced the vacuum pump on mine (2013 w/ 112,000) and mine ended up being the valve cover. Other than that no other issues for me, but it is a Montana vehicle with much less rust and corrosion than these. I like the sound of a turbo and the powerband of the Ecoboost. It also tows like a beast.
Figured I'd do a cost of ownership since I had one of each at the same time even though anything can fail on either engine depending on maintenance. The EcoBoost does build more power and apparently better fuel mileage even though my brother's new 3.5L Bronco only gets 17mpg but it does have 35's.
@@raincitywrench117 ha! I wish mine got 17mpg! It does when we get to less mountainous areas, but where we live its 80mph on the interstate with lots of hills, and I average 14-16mpg depending on the wind. I still love it though, it's comfortable and smooth. Pulls a horse trailer like there's nothing behind it, but then I'm lucky to get 12mpg with it maybe! I'm a diesel mechanic though, and just couldn't justify a diesel pickup, so I settled for the next best thing in my eyes.
Had a few of both and like you I prefer the 3.5 ten folds... I'd happily pay a few thousand dollars in repairs vs a few hundred at 100k miles to take advantage the much better driving experience and excellent pulling power that the 3.5 has over the 5.0.
The coolant tubes and fittings can be replaced without removing the turbo. I have replaced all of mine. I did remove the intake to do the passenger side
I had the choice of turbo or 5.0 in 2015. Bought an XLT 5.0 coyote super crew (2014). Keep it serviced. Changed all the fluids at 50k. Runs well. Two issues. Ford wants to put in a new battery every 24-36 months. I trickle charge it up every 60 days and take the charge off as soon as it’s full but makes no difference. Gas port cover has broken twice and won’t stay closed. Not buying a new one. Keep this one until one of us dies.
@@slmjake 24.5 on a long trip usually running around 70 was the best. I have the 10 speed which is ok. A good friend who has a 2019 Silverado drove this truck the other day and said the difference between them is " dramatic" in his words. He said the Coyote was noticeably stronger and he loved the handling. Obviously, the old Ford- Chevy debate.
@Jon Bruce sir thanks so much for sharing! I am trying to find a f150 with heavy duty payload package and then debate 5.0 or 3.5. Your info is very helpful! Rented a f150 with 2.7 and on 1000 mile trip it averaged 21.5. Then the following week we got a chevy with 5.3 and it too averaged about the same mpgs! The Ford was more powerful but the 5.3 was fine as well. Folks tell me the Ford 5.0 is noticeably more power.
I have a 2017 2nd gen Raptor with the 3.5TT. It’s given nearly 70k flawless miles, and certainly not lacking power. Maybe Ford has worked out some of the kinks in the later gen ecoboosts? I also have the panorama sunroof and, of course, aluminum skin. No issues there either. I don’t doubt this fellow’s observations as a mechanic and have seen others polled in vids on 5L vs 3.5 ecoboost. Some come across as pretty old school “no replacement for displacement” types. I’ll likely stick with the 3.5 when I replace this truck in a few years.
Ford may never again prosper until they improve its engineering and the quality of its parts. My 2011 Kia and 2012 Toyota, with the same miles on the odometer, have had their issues, but not like this Ford Eco-boost.
Loved my 3.5 ecoboost, especially for towing heavy and in the mountains. An absolute BEAST! I don’t trust any of the big 3 for long term reliability. Anything past 150k for any of their vehicles puts me on edge. It’s not necessarily the engines, but everything in their vehicles just doesn’t seem to last. The only half ton I would want to keep after 150k would be the tundra. After owning ford, Chevy, and Toyota there’s no comparison. My Toyotas were always less cutting edge fancy featured, but damn they were solid as can be. And I’m talking everything was solid. Of course they aren’t perfect, and there are some stinkers to watch out for even with Toyota, but in general they just can’t be beat for longevity vehicles
Well said, I'm a Lexus Toyota die hard. Just read the guys comments above on the f150 about a $1 gasket going out and rusting the cab or the running boards/rockers filling with debris and rotting. I've read just as many horrors with ram and gm trucks.
@@Pube83 that is all true. I had to fix some of the dumbest stuff on that f150. Some of it ecoboost specific, and a lot of just regular f150 cheap BS. Like the quick connect coolant attachments. They all leak and need replacing. Works well under warranty, but not made for the long haul. Blend actuator motor went out. Two rear differentials. The list goes on. The power was unbelievable, but I’d ditch it at 100k especially if you tow a lot. It’s not even the cost to maintain all these cheap parts, it’s all the work scheduling time to get in the shop, wait for the work to be done, figure out transportation in the meantime since Ford dealers don’t do loaners anymore, etc. It’s a major time sink. My Toyota’s never waste my time
I'll bet most people who own an Ecoboost use conventional oil. And if they do, you have a reason as to why they fail. I love my 2.7 in my Fusion. Although I only drive about 1000 miles a year now. Full synthetic GF6 is the oil you need for boosted and direct injection engines.
I have a 2012 f- 150 3.5 ecoboost tt it has 278,000 . Only had the driver side rear axle seal and the oil pan replaced water pump, top hose, coolant bottle updated supply hose replaced. It's been a GREAT truck, my wife has had problems with her ( now gone) 2017 explorer.
I have a 2017 F150 5.0l with 151,000 miles absolutely no problems with engine or transmission. I have a 2009 f150 with the 4.6l 3V with 347,000 miles. No problem with engine at all.
I’ve owned 2 ecoboosts first one ‘11 223k I replaced both the manifolds x2. The 4wd hub x4. Second ‘16 ecoboost 108k miles only issues are the sunroof, and rear defroster not working. The heated/ac seats suck /don’t work. My massaging seat doesn’t work in the driver side. No mechanical issues yet
I remember growing up in the 80’s & 90’s and hearing about how much technology was supposed to help manufacturing in both cost and quality. My experience has been that cost has risen astronomically and quality has gone way down. I know at least 10 people now who are buying 20-30 year old trucks and fixing them up as daily drivers because buying an engine/transmission and updating wear and tear items is cheaper than paying $70K for a new truck that leaks like a sieve or destroys it’s own engine every 10K miles.
2013 f150 5.0 200 000km and ive done intermediate steering shaft( needle bearings seized up), starter repaced, same coolant leak from fitting in video, and im starting to get some weirdness from transmission because lead frame needs to be replaced but the part is on 6 month backorder. Blower motor resistor died, alternator seized up but i sprayed it with pb blaster and its working again lol.
I take the opportunity when doing broken manifold bolts on various makes and models to weld in flex pipes just after the down pipes. This eleminates alot of the strain put on the mani when the engine is under load and moving around, whilst the rest of the exhaust is ridged to the frame. Some vehicles i even add rubber exhaust hanger supports just after the flex pipes (that i have just installed) and i attach them to the t-case or transmission with custom mounts to help the flex pipe live longer. Best solution hands down...
The issue isn't from excessive movement. The issue is that the bolts, engine heads and exhaust manifolds are all different metals so they heat and contract at different rates. It's a matter of time before a bolt breaks. The best remedy is actually installing headers. No flimsy flex pipe to rust away or anything like that. Headers with arp bolts last forever.
I own a 2011 F150+ 4x4 + 5.0 coyote with 189K miles. Overall it's been a good truck. Besides the regular maintenance, the only real issues I've encountered were transmission related and the IWE system. Personally, I think the automatic tranny is the weak point of the truck.
I have same truck. Replaced iwe line and leaky coolant reservoir. 171k kms. Good truck. Apparently the factory transmission lines (2010-2014 i think) are faulty and should be replaced asap, as per TSB as they can leak at the couplings.
I had a 2016 f150 with the 5.0 and around 75k miles, it started to shake at idle and would sometimes just stall on me even in traffic, rpms fluctuated a lot Took it to the dealer and have them do something to it since they also saw the problem, they cleaned the spark plugs and did a reset on the truck, but problems came back pretty quick Didnt have the time and money to find out and fix it, plus i began to commute a lot, just sold it and bought a 2020 corolla Truck was really great until then
2104 3.5 190k on it only had the booster pump problem. It's been a good truck. The best part was I got it a year old for 30k vs. 60k, plus the newer models out now. They sure as hell shouldn't break down for that price .
My 2014 5.0 King Ranch is still gorgeous, looks new, zero issues with 75k miles. I absolutely love that truck. It has all the tech I need and none that I don't. Not going to trade it in for an expensive aluminum high-tech modern money pit.
Looking at a Transit 350 high roof extended for a camper conversion. I do NOT want the Ecoboost engine. Is the newer naturally aspirated 3.5 a reliable engine? They have the same horsepower as the Promaster but AWD which I need. Great content so thanks!
I own a 2012 F-150 with the 3.5L Ecoboost with 155K miles on it. It has no oil leaks that I know of, and I do my own oil changes. It runs as good as new. The only major issue I had was with the trans cooler line that is aluminum and fatigue fractured, causing a trans fluid leak leaving me on the side of the road. The damage caused by this did lead me to have to replace the trans but that is not related to any 3.5L engine issues noted here.
I have a 99 expedition and just replaced the heater core .. other than minor things that wear out.... I'm still running strong. Yeah that 5.0 is peppy but if it's already leaking then what good is it.
Watched a video a couple months back. If you want to deactivate it, think all that has to be done is disconnect the battery monitor sensor on the negative terminal. There are videos out there about this topic
The 3.5 has quite a bit more power. Also the 3.5 has a lot of engineering in it to be turbocharged. In fact, I don't think the 3.5 NA is even related like people claim. For instance, I think the 3.5 NA has an internal water pump off the timing chain that people often like to claim is a ticking time bomb (in the 3.5 EB) if it leaks into the oil behind the timing chain cover. Well. the 3.5 EB has a standard belt driven water pump. I know because I have replaced it. (It had a slight squeak and probably didn't need to be replaced but I did anyway).
@@tedschmitt178 I have a 2015 which is still technically a Gen 1 from what I understood. If you look up parts for water pumps etc they are totally different than the N/A. Also when the EcoBoost first came out Ford went through a long presentation how the crank, rods, bearings, cooling etc was all built for boost. They didn't even have a 2.7 at that time. I don't think this is simply an engine Ford ever slapped a turbo on. That is the kind of shit that Mitsu and Nissan did to their 3.0 V6 engines (and they sucked for reliability) but Ford did make an effort. gen 2 just has some improvements. The Gen 2 bumped up to 470 Ft Lbs but with a mild tune the Gen 1 hits those same numbers. Both will hit 500 with a exhaust upgrade and tune. Still a lot for such a compact engine. But they aren't exactly exploding all over the place. The main issue is people using shit oil with these complex timing chains/phasers. Without neglect they are known to last.
🤣 The 3.5 Ecoboost engine was designed same pretty much the same way, built for Boost with forged internals and aluminum block I wouldn't call the 2.7 a heavy duty block it is compacted metal graphite metal. The 2.7 is proving to be pretty reliable though so nothing bad to say other than plastic oil pans.
Thank God I ordered the 2022 XL 5.0 for my new work truck. I didn't trust the rush to meet Obama/Biden fleet CAFE standards of 54mpg due by 2025 with turbos. My reasoning with the 5.0 choice was it is an evolution and old tech at that I assumed would have better reliability. Thank you for making me feel so much better about my purchase. Let alone Ford just raised the F150 $7k so I have equity in it before it's even delivered. I knew the alum body may have issues but on the Oregon coast at least I know it won't rust - it may leak at the drivers side A pillar from what you noted but it a smaller risk at least. Thanks again for the great video, I really do feel much better about spending $50k on a stinkin XL work truck.
Prices are so insane right now. Seems like every 5.0 that comes though the shop never needs any major engine work, and if it does need work it's something minor like water pump or hose fitting at degas bottle or thermostat housing. The brand new 5 liters have cylinder deactivation so the jury may still be out on if or what problems pop up down the road.
@@raincitywrench117 I hear you on the cyl deactivation... it's the one tech I couldn't avoid. However I did manage the start/stop delete option. I hope Ford's cyl deactivation has better longevity than the other mfg's I have been reading about. At least with a work truck either way I can expense out the repairs lol.
The aluminum body won't rust but it might corrode. The truck body is most likely grounded to the steel truck frame which I think would act like an anode/cathode but only time will tell.
My 2014 F-150 3.5 Ecoboost has 199,000+ miles. I bought it used. I have the phaser rattle. I did put two coils with their plugs. But that's about it. It runs really smooth, but I try not to use it too much. I hate to have it breakdown.
