My only problem with the Ebonheart Pact is the same problem that Scott from Fudgemuppet has with it. The races that made up the alliance were too different and barely could be in the same room as one another without drawing their weapons. The pact just didn't make that much sense when you consider the relationships between the Nords, Dunmer, and Argonians
@@matthewbrewer7174 Very true, and it’s weird how the Dunmer seem to be the most invested in the pact as the Nords are their ancient enemy and the Argonians are nothing but boots in their eyes. I could get more behind the idea of the Pact if maybe House Indoril and House Dres weren’t associated with the pact similar to House Telvanni.
@masterneloth I'm surprised that Dres even considered the alliance with the Argonians and Nords in the first place, seeing that they are the most conservative Dunmer great house who view any other race as inferior. True, the Tribunal had a lot to do with forcing Dres to accept the pact, but still.
Things I can see happening: Dunmer and Nords being able to align through pure, vitriolic spite alone. They each have that in excess. Would it last long? No. Would they kill in an absolute frenzy for a good handful of years and then piss each other off into dissolution? Yes. That I can see coming together and falling apart throughout years and history. Depending on how poopy other people decide to act up around them, the whole demon you know thing with a bit of enemy-of-my-enemy going on. I can stomach that. I can suspend my disbelief that far. What I can't see at all: The Argonians being buddied up with at all outside of individual, specific battle cases. Nords aren't fond of Argonians. Dunmer aren't fond of Argonians. Argonians aren't strictly all that fond of anyone who isn't also an Argonian... Wouldn't much work out. Absolutely cannot get my disbelief to stretch over that hurdle. That I cannot try to squint and stand on my head and maybe a little bit see. It just ain't clicking.
The Ebonheart Pact has the three coolest and my personal favorite Elder Scrolls races sure....but realistically this is an alliance that simply should not work at all lol
It didn’t work technically if you look at elder scrolls history. In the real world many nations can make unexpected treaties and pacts too that falter later on in the years.
I mean with the multiple quests of proving that Dunmer and Argonians aren’t soft to Nords make them warm up a bit to the thought of fighting with them Over the quest lines the Dunmer are shown the Nords and Argonians are resourceful and are warranted a begrudged respect And the Argonians seem to just care for the pacts survival
@@padd6007Yes but you never see countries that hate eachother become part of one Kingdom. It would be like France becoming part of the UK when a lot of French don't like the British
Gotta say, when I started playing ESO, I chose Ebonheart Pact as it seemed the best ideologically to me, but then by my inexperience, I accidentally ended up in Bangkorai and started 100%-ing the region as I've done so far with the tutorial regions, but when I got to the point where High King Emeric himself showed up to help a widowed queen who pulled through despite seemingly impossible odds to help win the fight, I fell in love with the Covenant.
And I choose whatever pact the game said my race is in since the game doesn't really let you choose your alliance unless you spend money lol. People act like it's an actual choice when everyone is just gonna choose the race they want
My favorite is Daggerfall. I personally like Emeric more than the other leaders, doing the quests for him make me respect him. And the lore about his life is really interesting.
Exactly, I dislike how biased he is againt ayrenn. Even though yes she did go about the whole ascension to the throne situation wrong I geninuly believe she wants a peacful tameriel. Her adventures exploring tameriel gave her experience with other cultures instead of being contained to summerset and most likely would've grown with the typical closeted (racist/supremist) altmer mindset.. I mean i guess it's also forgotten in the AD storyline about the orrery (an ancient alyied device that literally reveals the type of person you are on the inside; turned her brother naemon into and ogrim because he had hateful ideas for tamriel's future. Better ruler my ass). But, when she stepped into the orrery she came out whole and glowing revealing to all her intentions are indeed pure. I like that she's flawed, i mean...who isn't flawed? she also repeatedly states disdain for the veiled heritance and calls them racist yet he screams that she is the racist?! lol I can agree saying fuck AD to 2nd and 3rd AD because it appears the veiled heritance more than likely swept back in after ayrenn's death to further instill that supremist/elitest bs. In conclusion, my personal ranking from worst to best is EP>AD>DC. Hopefully neloth won't kill me for it lol. At least, i can agree emeric would probably be the most fair as ruler followed by ayrenn and...i just dont like the idea of jorunn at all on the throne. Even though i play AD in game i could see the potentional downfall of AD leading because once ayrenn died a veiled heritance leader would take her place and undo her work. Which is basically what 2nd and 3rd AD are.
she didn't go on pirate adventures she traveled between the capital cities of each hold of each provence to learn the cultures and ways of life of every other race, she returned when her father was killed and its presumably that word of such a thing took time to reach her. remember queen Ayrenn was only 19 years old as of the events of vanilla ESO, she's very young for an altmer
Awesome video but I disagree with your assessment on who won the Three Banners War. The Ebonheart Pact’s main goal was to prevent the other alliances from securing the ruby throne. To that end the Pact was successful as neither the Aldmeri Dominion nor the Daggerfall Covenant managed to survive and Tamriel was free for more than two centuries before the rise of Tiber Septim. The claim that the Daggerfall Covenant had won because of Tiber Septim does not make any sense, not only because it collapsed before the rise of Tiber Septim, but also because there is absolutely no similarity between the Empire Emeric envisioned and the one Talos created. High King Emeric envisioned a federal empire where each race enjoyed equal representation under the Ruby Throne which would hear and protect their respective interests as equals. The Septim Empire instead was a top down feudal regime where everyone existed to serve the emperor and if anyone was even remotely neutral towards the dynasty, he would be brutally removed by the Numidium until the Underking stopped it. Granted the provinces were eventually allowed autonomy as time went on but that was due to the decline of the empire’s central authority not by design. Tiber Septim’s empire was mostly created by Cyronords (Colovian imperials) and the Nords of Skyrim. Its foundation myth and identity is based on Skyrim as the fatherland of humanity and structured upon an Imperial-Nordic axis, with Cyrodiil as the heart and Skyrim as the arm of the empire. It had nothing to do with the Breton-Redguard alliance as their respective provinces were inhumanely conquered. If Talos and Emeric lived at the same time they would be enemies. After the interregnum it was the imperials and Nords who had the last laugh, not the Bretons neither the Redguards. As for why I prefer the Ebonheart Pact is for the same reason I prefer the Stormcloaks. I find a free Tamriel where every province is independent far more preferable than when it’s ruled either an empire or a dominion. Though we do agree that the Aldmeri Dominion sucks no matter the iteration.
Big fan of your content but not one of your best videos in my eyes. You use the Veiled Heritance as a big negative of the AD yet admit half of Hammerfell & not all Orcs are with the DC & actually the new King of Orsinium fully declares leaving the DC i’m pretty sure not just ‘less enthusiastic.’ The same goes for the EP. Most of Argonia are not involved with the EP & half of Skyrim isn’t either yet you bring this up but hardly. Yes the VH were actively working against the AD but the PC wipes them out. You used the PC’s actions for the Orcs but not for the VH? You complain a lot about the AD attempting to commit genocide on the Argonians of Shadowfen yet sound extremely glad when discussing Talos’s genocide on the AD which is the 2nd biggest genocide in Tamriel history just after the Sload’s genocide of half of Tamriel. You brush aside the fact that the DC kill the most civilians of the 3 factions like it’s nothing which ends up being the biggest war crime thanks to the PC stopping AD’s genocide too. Like what? Makes no sense. I’m a DC player myself & I do agree DC is the best & makes the most sense even though again all 3 races hate each other that’s why they’ve been at odds throughout Tamriel’s history but this video really doesn’t do the discussion of the 3 factions justice. Not trying to be rude, it’s genuine criticism. I love your videos otherwise, just think this one isn’t one of your best. Coulda done a lot more.
I ALMOST agree with you. While making this video you forgot that Daggerfall also didn't treat their members equally. There are proofs that Bretons and Redguards are treating Orcs more like a meat shields than equal members. I recall at least one quest about it in Dominion storyline (I think it was around Northern Beacon or somewhere around it), and few quests in the Daggerfall storyline. I think there was also one quest in Orsinium DLC, where group of Daggerfall soldiers refused to accept Orcs as allies and kept attacking them. Other issue is with Daggerfall war crimes. While you mention Fort Virak and the mess there, you forgot to mention about the whole mess they did in the Stonefalls. Or the massacre of Bleakrock Isle, which didn’t had any military importance. Not to mention the cooperation between Daggerfall soldiers with Fildgors Storm Brigade in Eastmarch, or with Worm Cult in Rift. Last thing… I have a lot of issue with Emeric. In short way, while reading about him, I always felt like he takes credit for others' achievements. Also he could have taken better approach with King Ranser. After all Emeric knew that Ranser was furious, but he preferred to stay on his honeymoon instead of meeting with him and trying to calm him down. Also sending him an invite for his wedding in this situation was really rude in my opinion. Oh and the Orcs attacking Shornhelm during the Ransers War… they did it only because Emeric told them to do so. So Breton king asked Orcs to go and burn down the city of other Bretons. No thank you! But outside of that… BLOOD FOR THE PACT and F*CK THE DOMINION
I believe that the incident with Bleakrock and Stonefalls are connected to General Serien and I don’t feel he represents the entirety of the Daggerfall Covenant, however that in no way excuses their actions and the Daggers do have blood on their hands. However I will say, F*CK THE ALDMERI DOMINION 😎
You mentioned the High Elves a lot for the Dominion section but lets not forget the Bosmer are literal cannibals that eat the opposing soldiers that definitely a war crime
And all ya’ll who keep bringing that up also conveniently leave out the fact of the Green Pact that says that they have to eat the meat from whatever they kill within three days and they also forget to mention that it’s mostly the extremely tribalistic and back water Bosmer that still follow that part of the teachings.
unfortunatly queen Ayrenn permits the customs of each of the member races in the dominion including the meat mandate which majority of the bosmer follow as it is a part of their religion, so it isn't uncommon for covenant and pact armies to literally lose the bodies of their men to dominion soldiers so the bosmer can practice the meat mandate as their religion dictates
I completely agree with you. I havent played ESO in a couple years but was a day one player, and was Daggerfall Covenant from the beginning. I also came to the defence of the Ebonheart Pact when many other ES RU-vidrs said it was a stupid pact that didnt make sense because nords and dark elves hated each other. There are many instances in the real world where historical enemies united to face a greater foe. The EP were pretty interesting because of that. AD sucks lol.
Lets be real if Tiber s Septim hadnt stepped in, AD realistically wouldve won. EP cant even get along with each other let alone fight a war, which is the dunmers fault btw. DC is really cool but their strength relys on their redguards who have the capability to BLOW UP A CONTINENT. Not many intervene though. ADs magical prowess is better than any other race. Sorry but thats reality. KHAJIIT HAVE 16 FURSTOCKS THAT CAN MASTER 16 DIFFERENT THINGS. Have you ever tried to fight a Polar Bear Sized Senche-raht who can easily rip your head from your shoulders with your teeth? Or an Alfiq who can easily be mistaken for a house cat nuke an entire intel with their wit and magical abilities? What about dagi who can climb better than anyone else and shoot from the trees. What about Pahmar who stand almost as tall as giants with a weapon heavier than the fighter. If you dont like AD, thank Tiber. Cause Tamriel wouldve been all Yellow. 😂
Not really as the Dunmer could have always unleashed Numidium, as it was more the giant war robot demi-god than Talos that stopped the Dominion, and if it was powered by the heart instead of an inferior alternate it would have been even more unstoppable.
My perspective of the ebonheart-pact is that they only seek the ruby throne so that nobody else will claim dominion over them. The Pact was created as a response to the Akaviri Invasion and still exists because of the threats the other 2 factions pose. Once the faction war cools off, the Ebonheart Pact will crumble as they no longer have anyone to defend against.
Sure, but that still makes no sense. The Argonians can just hide in the Black Marsh and no one will bother them cuz the entire place is toxic to non-Argonians, and the Dunmer have the Tribunal to protect them, three extremely powerful living gods, all at fullpower since Dagoth Ur doesn't show up to steal the Heart of Lorkhan for another couple of centuries. And the Nords could just have joined with the Daggerfall if they wanted to remain free.
Love the Aldmeri Dominion because there are no boring humans in it. Humans in fantasy settings are generally lame as fuсk, especially in the Elder Scrolls universe. I couldn't care less about Bretons, Nords and Redguards when all the elf and beast races have so much more interesting cultures. Also I'm a Khajiit player for life
As an Aldmeri main (my first character ever, and my current main, is a Bosmer which is my favorite race overall, so Aldmeri was my first Alliance,) I can say, totally unbiased, that the Aldmeri Dominion is the best faction. Jokes aside, I do lean slightly towards the Aldmeri Dominion just due to the fact it was my first Alliance, but later I grew to like Emeric so I've developed a slight love for the Daggerfall Covernant too, not as much as the Aldmeri Dominion, cuz it has Bosmers and Khajiits which is automatically a win, but I do like it, and honestly, it might have been my favorite faction had it been my first. Bretons are my favorite Human race so... And while I do like Nords, (I am a Norseman, afterall) Argonians and Dunmer, I don't understand how the Ebonheart Pact stays together. It's literally the most frail of the Alliances and it existing has to be some divine blessing from a Daedric Prince :D
i like that he took the Aldemeri dominion out of context because of the fact that queen Ayrenn had to be tested by the Orrery which would reject her if she wanted elven superiority like her twin brother did. the fact is Queen Ayrenn is a good queen and wants to unite all under her banner as equals its just that not all felt the same, the Veiled Heitance wanted Elven supremicy and they wanted Namon on the throne because he would give them what they wanted since he was in on the Veiled Heritance the entire time and knew Estri was its leader and knew Pelidil was also a member of it also
@@fangslore9988 Indeed, I still do like Ayren, it's just that I've also gained a lot of respect for Emeric. But Ayren isn't a bad ruler, if you actually think Ayren is a bad person, you must have missed well, all of the Aldmeri Story D
@@Lupinemancer87 very true, she basically whats best for everyone mer or non-mer it doesnt matter but the Aldmeri dominion in eso is often viewed as no different than the 3rd aldmeri dominion who's the elven supremisist as described and thats mostly due to the absorption of the veiled heritence into mainstream altmer society after the leadership and a watered down version of their ideology was then brought into the thalmor through recruitment of former veiled heritance or their descendants over time including Queen Ayrenn's own Descendent who is the ruler of the 3rd Aldmeri dominion in the 4th era though it is unclear if their king at the time has legitimate authority or a figurehead. there's almost 1500 years between the the 1st and 3rd Aldmeri Dominion
if Queen Ayren was as you said a bad leader and wanted elven supremecy then the orrey would have rejected her, when asked she will say she saw a tamriel united under her benevolence where all were equal, she's actually a good person, the Thalmor later on after the second era ended up absorbing members of the remnent veiled Heritance members began their rhetoric of elven supremacy and believing man was unfit to rule and the altmer all knew it was Mannimarco who did it and as he is the shame of their people. in fact no altmer even blame humans for the planemeld and the one that they do blame is Emperor Varen Aquilarios specifically not for being human, but for not listening to the reports about Mannimarco. the fact that Queen Ayren wasn't for elven supremacy sparked the formation of the Veiled heritance, the clandestine secret society run by High Kin Lady Estri which grew into a militant order who were all about elven supremacy and their ultimate goal was to assassinate Ayren and put her brother namon on the throne since he himself harbored elf supremacist views, and was a willing co-leader of the heritence behind his twin sister's back until the orrery revealed him to be a monster on the inside. there are good and bad in each faction each leader of each faction are good people who have good intentions but somewhat misguided. the reality is that Queen Ayrenn Arana Aldmeri, High King Jorunn the Skald-King, and High King Emric all have the same goal in mind, to unite all races all provinces and all people in peace and equality which is the reason for the war its just that all three monarchs do not know every detail their soldiers and even generals are doing which has led to bad apples being amongst their forces. remember these words "i saw a dominion of peace were all were equal under my banner" ~High Queen Ayrenn Arana Aldemeri after the ratification ceremony at the orrery under eldenroot. she also said that she would have all be her people. also ruvatar wasn't ordered to genocide the argonians, he was sent to determine if flora and fauna of black marsh could be used in viable ways also let us not forget that the jackdaws were under ebon heart pact employ and were paid to raise the dead in Haven however the one who hired them were also working for the worm cult. also the pact is more known to delve and sanction necromancy and in some of the delves there are a lot of pact necromancers and the covenant also has just as many bad eggs. the leaders of the alliances are all good people however the alliances also reflect the grit of irl conflict, there is never going to be a faction 100% good despite how good and benevolent the leaders are, because atrocities are made and covered up by generals who order them. it literally is for these rogue generals a "what our king/queen does not know can't hurt them"
@@fangslore9988 Altmer are the most long lived of the mer player races thus 300 years means nothing. When not even a generation has passed the line between First and Second Dominion is trivial. It entirely possible Ayren was still even Queen.
Politics is trivial? Ho ho, my friend, you couldn't be further from the reality. They ARE Dunmer after all, and the fact they don't engage as much in global politics, doesn't mean their inner politics are just "you do you and you will be a succesful great mer, no cons attached!"
A bit of an extra fact when it came to what the Dominion did in Shadowfen, there is a good chance that mnemic egg could have been used to cut the argonians off from the hist altogether if it had been worked on long enough. I think I remember hearing some of them say that their connection to the hist was damaged after the egg was corrupted for the first time.
The Covenant is the best and we'll put together but also the one the Daedra focus the most on messing with. The Jarl ruling the Pact couldn't even fight his own brother and that is why it is so weak. Their leader is weak. The Queen of the Dominan is totally.. well yeah actually this video is spot on.
Story wise I’d rank them: 1. DC 2. AD 3. EP Right to rule: 1. DC 2. EP (Nords have a lore claim) 3. AD Best alliance leaders: 1. DC 2. AD 3. EP Worst war crimes: 1. AD 2. DC 3. EP Edit w/ spoiler* The DC storyline is the only one where a big bad recognizes that you’re the vestige and that traditional ways of dealing with you won’t work, and is the only storyline where an elaborate trap is laid throughout a good chunk of the zone specifically to deal with you. The other alliances don’t give that kind of attention to your player character aside from him/her/they being part of the supporting cast. DC gives you main character treatment.
As someone who almost always prefer independence over empires and hates imperialism with my whole being, I'm a die-hard Pact supporter, and that comes from guiding entity (aka player) whose characters are mostly Breton, Argonian (so only 1 out of 3 founding races) and Khajiit (Khajiit and Breton siding with Pact has even pragmatic sense - as is stated in "Pact Pamphlet: Congratulations!", if you are citizen of the Pact, you cannot be enslaved regardless of your race) nowadays mostly playing as Necromancer (although following path of "benevolent necromancy" taught by the likes of Vastarie the Altmer and Yisareh the Redguard of Undaunted) and having closest to worshipping (or at least respecting the most) Daedric Prince Malacath/Trinimac (I consider them same being, a sort of "split personality" thing). Since every playthrough made by different player is different, I take it as we create our own timelines (CHIM anybody?) and sort of fan-fictions, and in my playthrough of ESO, in spite of all hardships, Pact triumphs in the end and no new Empire is formed (that's right, F-you Tiber "Talos" Septim!). Blood for the Pact!
I kinda agree on your points but its TES universe. Racist argument wont work on TES world. If you cant handle unfair race stuff i doubt this series is for you 😊
2:56 This nothing but Veiled Hertience Propaganda. Namon would make a terrible king. His WiFE is Literally the leader of the VEILED Hertience. A TERRORIST Organization and Daedric cult that worships Maerunz Dagon for Trimimacs sakes. All that shows is how accepting and tolerant Ayren is. Also during her "Disappearence" she traveled Tamreil building her powerbase and understanding both the political climate at the time as well. As the other races, Aryen only wants the best for Tameriel. When Namon went into a Orrory , a device build by the Aylieds to show ones true nature he turned into a Orgrim. Showing not only he was unfit to full. But he's was a pure evil greedy glutton who only cares about power. When Ayren went into the Orrrey not only did she remain the same but she came out glowing. Showcasing not only she was fit to rule. But was the best ruler for all of Tameriel. She saw a vision of United Tameriel peacefuly ruled by Ayren and the player character. And warcrimes please your so full of Shit Neloth. ALL THE Factions committed WARCRIMES. The Daggerfall Covenant burned down a Nord village killing everyone including the women and children. And The Ebonyheart Pact team up with the Veiled Hertience. To invade Summerset A Terrorist Organization. Which is just as bad as killing Argonian kids.
I've challenged myself to play all three alliances in the last year. Like I know you get the chance in the game but it is different starting out. So far the Pact is coming out on top since far less war crimes. Practically I think the Covenant is the best overall. Granted I'm giving Fahara'jad the side eye. He isn't who he says he is that is for damn certain and that is going to take out yet another piece of the alliance. I think Bazrag will come around he just needs the time. But Hammerfell is weaker than it appears.
I originally joined the AD as a nord and they didn't seem to take issue with it. but idk. After joining all the other factions I kinda just felt like.... ehhh, I don't really wanna side with anyone. Currently I'm doing a run where I side with the Daggerfall Covenant. Mostly because I just really like the area. Highrock, Wrothgar, and Hammerfell.
This one thinks the thing that happened in shadowfenn was just an "oopsy daisy" so it doesn't count and not all khajiits steal... this one is a good example and has only stolen once or twice, or mayhaps even thrice... Jo'khar doesnt remember 🐱
This is a great take. I understand they’ll always be some infighting with races allied with each other because let’s face it, all of the TES races are racist/xenophobic to a certain degree. That being said, DCs races, and the Bosmer to a degree, are the least racist. Nords, Dunmer, and Altmer are definitely the worst 😂 I’ve done a lot of research on what could be considered the canon alliance for the Vestige, and most of it points to DC, the main quest also fits in nicely with the Daggerfall Covenant storyline and since there was another empire started by Tiber Septim who was probably a Breton, I’d say DC was the most likely to win the war.
Exactly! Part of what ruins my ability to enjoy the Ebonheart Pact is the fact that ESO takes place during a time when the tribunal is in charge. In the Pact Quest you have no choice but to help Almalexia against the Maulborn, when that’s the last thing I want to do because F*CK ALMALEXIA
And Dude make me laugh when, you said OHH Mannmarco is evil therefore all Altmer are bad. Shut up dude, you can't blame one race for the actions of one guy. And for your information Mannmarco wouldn't have completed his plan without Varen the Emperor of Cyrodil, who let Mannmarco into to his circle. And let him prey on Varne insecuritys and pride. That allows the soulburst in the first place. Your only proving The Dominions point why humans shouldn't be allowed to rule. Master Neloth is a paid informant for the Veiled Hertience and I'm burning my Telvani membership card and going to House Renderon. Good Day Hirlings.
@@masterneloth I didn't think to respond to my commit Neloth. Sorry for the negative language TLDR. I strongly disagree with your opinion. I believe your video is extremely biased. I would suggest you do more research into the ESO factions. There a lot that you left out. Anyways have a good day and I hope House Telvani gets its old territory back from those N'wah Imperialist Argoraians.
Bro nah, Queen Aryenn is BAE, AD is the best. Elves are the best. High Elves are the best elves. Cat people are just here because they are cute and good slaves.
I haven't played in ages, but when I did, I used to play as the Pact, but yeah, only because they had the Nords in it. Otherwise it's simply an unstable alliance because let's be real, these races are the most likely to backstab each other and would probably be the least cooperative if things go wrong, therefore making it the weakest faction.
I’m sorry but the Dominion has the best city of all, Alinor, besides the coolest-looking armour for their knights. Give me a beautiful capital and I'll pick your side.
Emeric is the most sympathetic of the leaders, IMO. But the Covenant has a serious Worm Cult infiltration problem within the leadership of its expeditionary forces. The Pact doesn't really seem to want to take the war to its enemies' shores the way the Dominion and Covenant do. No large-scale invasions (e.g., Stonefalls), no genocidal plans (e.g., Shadowfen). Heck, I'm not sure the Pact made even a token effort to mess with the Covenant. I do remember a tiny Pact force in Auridon, but that's about it. tl;dr: Covenant has the least bad leader, but Pact seems to be the least bad faction in practice. Which is ironic given the leadership of the Dunmer. If you know, you know, amirite?
It feels like the various pacts were made primarily for gameplay reasons rather than in-world logic. As I understand it, Bretons and Orcs do not get along. Dark elves and Argonians… well the Dark Elves and most everyone. The High Elves and wood elves I guess kinda works. The Khajjiit feel included more just from geography, but it’s not weird to hear at least. I feel like a better breakout would have had the Bretons with the high elves. The orcs, nords and redguard for another, and the Khajiit, Argonians and wood elves for the third. The dark elves sitting out alone, hating everyone. But that would make the factions pretty lopsided and the games geography difficult. Probably better to just use the establish three and hadwave away the awkward bits
One of my favourite characters is a female High Elf Templar who was a proud supporter of the Dominion and deeply admired the Queen. She had a cheerful personality, loved to dance, play music, and was always looking out for her allies as a tank and healer. Why was she so kind and generous? Well, because she was superior, of course! With her power and privilege, she had more to offer the ‘younger’ races! I found it fascinating, and kind of fun, to play a character with the juxtaposition of being a genuinely nice person while also being massively racist.
In military, politics and maybe economy side Daggerfall conveant is strongest faction, bretons, redguards and orks have long history of never ending wars with each other, so it they are in peace huge experienced forces are free to conquer other provinces, also hight elfs are very well organized and have best defence potential being on own islands but forest elfs most time been unorganized tribes and cats aren't big or strong nation. Nord haven't single leader, aragonian don't want join to dark elves but don't have many choices and most story of Ebonheart pact is about defending from Daggerfall invasion so they aren't very strong
@Master Neloth you left out how the Bretons rejected Tiber Septim (Talos the Atmoran/Stormcrown), but the Nords bent the knee immediately upon hearing/seeing his Thuum. The Nords would champion the cause of Tiber Septim, painstakingly unifying Cyrodiil piece by piece from the fractious upstart kingdoms/territories of Cyrodiil. The Bretons gave him hell before joining with him and it would be a High Rock Nightblade that would slit his throat. The Bretons are too pompous, fractious and power hungry to accept. All that being said, you did not account for the lore behind the Bretons and their own Alliance. Again, far more backstabbing, manipulation, and culling took place with them. There's a reason for New Orsinium and Old Orsinium. There's a reason why Redguard don't trust Bretons. They're as fractious as all the others. The Nords, however, really are the linchpin of Tamriel. They are unifiers through might, freedom, and autonomy. There's no way around that. They have a strange faith about them that no other race has. Of the three alliances, AD does actually survive, but indeed would make the worst rulers. They would bring back the same customs as the Ayleids. Outside of High King Emeric, the Bretons are too pompous to succeed and would sooner be at the necks of their neighbors again, which they did. EP is truly led by the Nords in Cyrodiil. The other two races could care less and have enough to worry about in their borders and enough beef with each other that Cyrodiil is not their primary concern anyway. It comes down to AD trying to exterminate and subjugate as usual. DC falls apart with Emeric's death and the conflict that follows immediately after. The Bretons will rise again, but still fractious. EP, they actually have a stronger reason for their alliance than the other two because of the Akaviri Invasion, The Great Moot that followed, the numerous incursions and invasions by AD and DC, and finally because their peoples would benefit most from annexation of Cyrodiil. They have a stronger purpose than the other two alliances. United by war, invasions, and harsh climates, this faction/alliance actually functions. What ends up happening in the lore corroborates this as even though EP doesn't persist, it's because of history between two of the races and same pomposity and pwer hungry nature of the Bretons, exhibited by the Chimer. Nords carry EP. Nords carry Talos Stormcrown/Tiber Septim. Nords carry Elder Scrolls.
Keep in mind, whilst the lore you've stated is completely lore accurate, you are a character in the game regardless and what you do alters the course of most of what you've stated in the aldmeri dominion. Sure they're terrible, but I believe queen ayrenn to be way better than the third age AD. Also it is an MMO RPG...so as for a reason for Ruvitarr for doing that, he could be working for the veiled heritance or another sect of the AD...and yeaaahhhh they may be the worst but consider the following.
I strongly disagree… “… then they came from the seas, folded steel in their hands… our families were slain before our eyes… forged by war the Ebonheart rose… when the enemies begged for the mercy the lacked… three voices as ONE shouted BLOOD FOR THE PACT!” The most heart hitting verses in the Ebonheart Pact anthem, “Three Hearts as One”.
Omg THANK YOU. I've been trying to tell my friends for years that Ayrenn is a twat, Jorunn is a waste of space, and Emeric is the only actual leader of the bunch. Next time they try and simp for Ayrenn, I'll link them this video for sure.
I love this channel and the content that you make, but I feel like you're a bit heavy-handed against Queen Ayrenn. Don't get me wrong, I agree that I think the Daggerfall Covenant is the best suited to rule tamriel, and personally they are the ones I would choose to win the war, but I do believe that Queen Ayrenn is a genuinely good person. A few other commenters have pointed this out already, but on that 7-year journey, she wasn't just screwing off. She went on a trip around Tamriel to learn about the different cultures. To me, that makes her the opposite of racist. Yes, there were a lot of altmer working for the veiled heritance, but I think that's because altmer are inherently bigoted and racist by default, and Ayrenn's method of leadership went against altmer nature. Not to say that she's perfect, she most certainly made mistakes, but I don't think she's the horrid monster that you described in the video. As for the comment about Prince Namon being a better ruler, Prince Namon is the definition of racist. He may have been better trained to rule a nation, but he would not have been a good ruler by any definition I'm familiar with. I think that point is addressed at the orery when he is deemed unworthy and turned into a monster. To reiterate, I think the Daggerfall Covenant is best suited to rule the empire. Queen Ayrenn is likely the only kind ruler the Aldmeri Dominion would have, and getting them off of the throne would be damn near impossible if they were to ever seize power.
Apparently Mankar Cameron is actually a bosmer who like...transformed himself into an Altmer with the power of that xerxes book. Because he's that kind of crazy. Doesn't really change your point though, just thought I'd mention it for fun.
Sure Telvanni didn't approve due to the Ebenheart Pact stance on magic, had nothing to do with refusing to stop enslaving Pact members. Also you Aldemeri Dominion overview went way too light on them, not even mentioning the moral disaster that is Valenwood, that includes brainwashing an enemy to serve a nature spirit, the whole reincarnation of nature spirits thing that just takes random bosmer, and so many other minor things the Aldemeri Dominion has such a a big problem that most of their villains are more sympathetic than the Dominion. You also forgot the Covenant's biggest weakness of their the most generic ass fantasy alliance of the 3 factions, with arguably the worst story line, even if the Aldmeri storyline makes you a villain. Further don't write a new variant of the Ebonheart Pact out of returning in ES VI, just with cutting out the Argonian weak link and replacing them with Redguards.
Very unfair opinions about Ayrenn, she is the only ruler to have experienced all culture and races by living with them and whatever stupid training Naemon did is not comparable to real life experiences of living with other races as Ayrenn, also 7 years is nothing in an Elf's lifespan, you are very dismissive about her qualities and also blind to the fact that Mannimarco is the only elf from the Psijic order to turn against them, he is the super exception, in the end it's a man's greed (Varen Aquilarios) that led to the planemald, most conflicts on Tamriel are because of men, not elves. It's also true that the Bretons are mongrels, they are not a pure race of humans.
Daggerfall covenant is by far the best. They have the best fighters in the orcs and redguard, some of the best battlemages in the Bretons, the Breton hero in the trailers is by far the coolest and Emeric is voiced by bill nighy (although Ayrenn is voiced by Kate beckinsale and the only reason I don’t wimp for ayrenn is because she’s a knife ear)
In the intricate tapestry of the Three Banners War, it becomes unequivocally apparent that the Aldmeri Dominion stands as the paragon of enlightened governance, cultural supremacy, and martial prowess. Nevertheless, it is an undeniable travesty that Queen Ayrenn, an erstwhile pariah whose ascension to power is nothing short of a monumental blunder, was not extinguished in her nascent state. Her continued existence and misguided leadership undermine the very fabric of the Dominion's grandeur. In stark contrast, the Veiled Heritance emerges as the rightful custodians of true Altmer heritage, their zealous advocacy for purity and tradition embodying the quintessential ethos that should govern the Aldmeri Dominion's illustrious future. Moreover, I remain resolute and impervious to the ramifications of potential banishment from Morrowind at your hands "Master" Neloth. Such an expulsion is but a trifling inconvenience, for I would never deign to forsake the paradisiacal splendor of Alinor-a realm of unparalleled beauty and sanctity that Ayrenn incessantly desecrates with her cadre of foreign interlopers. The Dominion's destiny lies in the preservation of its pure and unblemished lineage, a vision that the Veiled Heritance valiantly upholds against the pernicious influence of Ayrenn and her pet outsiders. The sole point of concurrence between us, perhaps, is the lamentable truth that I am not in a position to personally rid us of Ayrenn and enthrone our rightful sovereign, Prince Naemon. This grievous limitation is a shared regret, an impediment to the realization of a Dominion governed by its true and worthy king. Signed, High Kinlord Rilis XIII Representative of the Veiled Heritance
I, Duinor the Wood Orc, thoroughly say to take this Veiled Heritance propaganda and place it in the waste basket. It will not be tolerated and as one of the eyes of the great Queen Ayrenn this will be relayed to her by the second sundown from today. I trust you will have better judgment in the future in terms of your outlook towards those who only wish to see the world in a better place. As this is only your first written notice you will not be fined but should this occur again there will be a sum attached to the next letter to be paid to her royal highness in a not insignificant amount. I hope we do not have to communicate in this manner again. Have a nice day. Duinor, Eye of the Queen.
the funny thing is that she is a strong benevolent queen who has good intentions its just that not all of her soldiers and generals are as benevolent as her. such as the general in the shadowfen invasion who tried to genocide the argonians, queen Ayrenn would never have sanctioned that and didn't because said general who was an alchemist went rogue and his men started skin stealing
@@fangslore9988 Your Queen, Ayrenn, epitomizes self-serving ambition and hypocrisy. She abandoned our venerable culture to indulge in frivolous pursuits with beasts, engaging in zoophilic behavior and only the eight divines know what else. Now, she returns, driven solely by a thirst for power, seeking to impose foreign values and contemptuously disregarding our cherished traditions. Her actions are far from benevolent; they reveal her as a hypocrite of the highest order. If she truly desires to rule-or "guide," as she euphemistically calls it-the rest of Tamriel, then you and your misguided ilk must renounce any and all claims to genuine Altmer heritage. Depart from Alinor forever, and govern the creatures you so dearly cherish. Perhaps they will demonstrate their appreciation for your misguided attempts to assist them. But, for the love of our sanctified homeland, leave us out of your nonsensical war. As for the extermination of a few lizards, what of it? One less disease-ridden blight upon our blessed island.
My take before watching this video: Ebonheart Pact: First faction i joined back in latest Beta of ESO. Stuck with them out of Nostalgia feelings for Nords and Dunmer (Can't help it, Morrowind was my first Elder Scrolls Game and Skyrim still has me hooked to it) Daggerfall Covenant: Has Bretons. I like Bretons as a playable race. A lot. And don't deny it 50% magick absorption is absolutely brilliant. Redguards are also cool and the most die-hard fan in me, who doesn't want to lose hope in Bethesda still is hyped to potentially *maybe* see more of them in TES 6. Never cared much for the Orcs, although i have to admit not even having a place to call home is kinda wrong and they don't deserve this. Aldmeri Dominion: Has Queen Ayrenn. Who is a hot elven biatch. And not only that, she is kinda cool and actually wise and (as far as i remember) kinda based. I also like Bosmer, even though they're cannibals and Khajiit, even though they are catfolk and you know, "i'm something of a dog person myself". In Conclusion: I have no frikkin idea which faction is better. Still would choose Ebonheart Pact every god damn time, because Skyrim belongs to the Nords, you filthy N'wahs! *Starts hissing like a reptile*
The “Aldmeri Dominion” went entirely over this guy’s head. His 2 brain cells didn’t move fast enough to keep up with the story and motivations of the Aldmeri races.
Pelinal Whitestrake would be proud... Or would he? Considering that Orcs ARE (or were?) Elves and Bretons have Elven heritage. Still, I agree with you though! DC ftw!
@emperortenebrisemeraldwing8578 Bretons have elven ancestory, but they are not exactly half. The more time that passes, the more diluted their elven heritage becomes.
My two favourite races are easily the Bretons and Dunmer. I love their histories, cultures, abilities, and aesthetics. As much as i love to idealize the Dunmeri life, the Bretons have far fewer problematic tendencies than the Dunmer. Also, King Emeric is an incredible ruler!
11 days late but God I remember when my mum (divine smile on her) bought me the imperial edition (I love Imperials, OK?) I remember the bloke at GAME asking me who I support, lard ass me then began a short lecture as to why I support the Daggerfall Covenant.
I enjoyed your little screed. From the game story standpoint AD is the best. There are through lines from the starter island Khenarthi's Roost all the way through Reaper's March. Second best story wise is DC and the worst is EP, which is like a ridiculous mishmash of dumb stories thrown against the wall to see what sticks, especially the Shadowfen story is amazingly dumb. We don't even meet the king until Eastmarch!
Pretty sure Daggerfall is most stable and arguably has most chances to win orks and redguards alone are force to be reckon with after that you have Breton mages, also stable economy, of trading Bretton , armor and weapon making orks and rich lands of redguards
While I do like my boys in Red, the Covenant do make the most sense. The Dunmer and Argonians have too much bad blood with one another over the course of centuries. That, and all three races are so different ideologically and culturally that it is honestly amazing the entire pact is yet to burst into flames. That being said, at least it isn't on the same level as the Dominion.
The Dominion quests are also like… kind of boring? There are some very cool locations you get to go to when you’re playing the dominion storyline but that’s kind of it. Covenant is the most fun and you meet the most plot relevant characters in that storyline
typical dark elf lover hating on all high elves claiming that they are all racist and that the aldmeri dominion sucks even though the main focus of the quest is like he said to root out the high elf supremacists and get rid of them in the interest of peace, and even goes on to make his argument even worse by saying the most racist of all high elves would have been the better king. like really Neloth. And just because Kajhits are great at being thieves doesn't mean that most of them are, Kajhits are know for being extremely noble warriors as well. how can you judge a faction fairly when you go into it with hate for it in the first place. and yes there were some very vile high elves but look at the far more extensive list of horrendous dark elves, dark elves as a whole have committed just as many if not more atrocities than the few high elves that have, don't forget as well the biggest reason that the high elves look down on dark elves is because dark elves mostly worship the daedra, i play as Kajhit or Nord btw and most High elves can suck it, and trying to act like your not playing favorites by making ebonhart second. and nords are just as if not even more racist than high elves, they only allied with the dunmer and argonians because if they hadn't and somebody else had they would have been surrounded on all sides they consider everyone else as cannon fodder. all factions are racist, i dont know of specific examples for the rest so i cant say much admittedly but all factions are equal in their good and bad, the devs literally made all factions as equal as possible, not to mention i would like to see you try to run a kingdom with dragons and necromancers running rampant at the same time trying to destroy everything the rest of the groups have it easy compared to all the crap that is happening in the aldmeri dominion and yes i do play eso and i have gone to each area so i do know what they are all dealing with
oh i should add that i really dont care who is better i just like cats more than people and my days in skyrim were constantly spent as probably the largest criminal in tamriel history, at least for the universe of my character, murder and thievery were my forte so therefore Kahjit is best for that style. also if you try to come at me for my spelling of races and factions i really dont care i dont pay attention enough to the spellings as im playing because im more focused on the story than anything else
Why didnt they have an alliance of all the mer the high elves, wood elves and and Dunmer - one of "men" the Breton, the Redguard and the Nords and one of the beastfolk, the Khajit, the Argonians and the Orcs? I know because of land masses, but it would have made more sense!
Tbh I never join this war at all I'm a dragon priest in eso and I rather collect there historical records and that's it the alliance I continue my travels too never cared about the war or the throne love the video btw also just to clarify I'm a Khajiit vampire
The pact despite being the only reasonable faction and usually winning and being on the path to respecting eachother the strongest and dumbest deadra ever Lord Todd Howard decreed "nah thats too cool"
I’m just a Bosmer who doesn’t like how the so called High Elves are always fantasizing about cutting down our tree for timber & was recruited by an Argonian to join the Daggerfall Covenant because Lions are dope.
I have 2 thing to say: 1. Damn... I think I'll have to buy the upgrade "all races, all alliances", to play Aldmer as Daggers alliance. 2. Sorry I couldn't hold my laugh when you say the fact about Tiber Septim. Was right on the point.
