Which Fire Emblem Army is the Strongest? Ranking Every Last One of Them using Science! 

So true

At level 1

Seth can't even solo his own game.

*Laughs in Forsetti*

@@enymetouche2558 literally does at level 1

Guess they prayed to Grima to destroy the competition. :D Or to Robin which is.. essentially close enough (or the same thing, if his offhand comment in the toothpaste game is anything to go by)

​@@Aurirang What comment does he make. I barely anything from engage outside of gameplay and yunaka and could builds

@@drewlaw2192 He kinda admits to being a Felldragon himself, which is kinda odd all things considered. Awakening never really delved into the whole subject wether or not Robin and Grima are the one and same "person". The most obvious answer would be that the future Robin was simply possessed by Grima. Many theories also say that he IS Grima which would also be pretty much supported by that comment, that he is in fact a fell dragon.

Shepherds proved that anything can change AETHER

Quatro my beloved

@@GBlockbreakerwhat’s funny is that every one of those infinite generics are individually better than Bantu

OR I COULD USE THE WARP STAFF

Morals be damned, we need to find the speed limit to how many people we can kill

People complained that the child units are too op even though they're optional content so they were made less fun in Fates. Plus shipping is icky or something like that.

@@24hr-Gaming yah... it really worked in awakening...and really didn't in fates

@@megarotom1590 That is because the child units were thought as part of the story in Awakening. They were an afterthough in Fates.

@@toumabyakuya Yeah, even though Lucina was the only one part of the story in Awakening, they left it open enough that the integration and pasts of the other Future Children was perfect. Meanwhile in Fate they got knocked up and tossed them in a pocket dimension before deciding to send them to war.

I’m so mad. Ephraim, Hector and Lief would’ve been all more unique than Lucina and Chrom. Robin was a good call since he’s a unique class relative to what she have. But imagine a dedicated axe fighter and lance fighter from the coolest GBA lords. Also Lief could’ve had a similar schtick to Byleth in wielding multiple weapon types but with different effects to Byleth. But no, we needed more falchion wielders smh

even still there are some parent characters besides chrom and robin that aren't a pushover though it's hard to vary as unlike other games a character's use can completely change in the context of a base game playthrough vs optimal builds that can be used for apotheosis

Though if you start including skills and stuff like that, the Toothpaste Brigade wins every single round because Emblem Rings are just insane

​@@skeletonwar4445 Toothpaste brigade I'm stealing that one

@@jfp4life It's in the video...

I swear Seliph's would've won if it weren't for Arden being the dad. 230 growth total when the average male growth total in 1 gen is 255 is pretty bad (265 if you do the most popular pairings and even the worst possible pairings you can do give average of 243, which is higher than the illegal Arden everyones dad growths). That is missing 25 for male and 12,5 for female. Since there are 12 children that inherit growths and each have on average 27 level ups to go, I did the math and it would mean that Seliph's army is missing in total 71 stats due to Arden, and that is not factoring in holyblood. Still that only adds to 3rd and 4th round. Pretty sure Arden also loses some base stats but no idea how many tho. If it's more than 30 Seliph's army would rise a spot on the 1st round which could lead to a win.

So what you're saying is everyone should haVE DONE THE *DEW!!! **_HELL YEAH!!!!_*

>Forsetti not on Ced Bruh

Jokes aside I actually like Tailtu x Lewyn and Claude x Erin (or w/e names they go by these days). TAiltu x Lewyn allows Tinni to use tornado and gives you Forseti on chapter 6 to a unit that will be mounted. The glaring weakness is lack of pursuit, but eh, never been that much trouble for me. Claude x Erin allow Fee to actually utilize staves and gives her access to physic after promotion. The sage class itself is so absurdly broken, that with Claude's growths, Ced will max every stat save strength and will still shred through anything with just lightning and is also an amazing staff user too. Forseti Ced is kind of just overkill imo, even though it's canon.

​@@DrewPicklesTheDark100% agree. Horsetti is so much more useful for it's join time and the mount in the second half of gen 2. Ced doesn't need any help, he'll be about as good with Shine as Forsetti, plus he's a foot locked staff bot during real battles

Mayhaps

Lyon and his 160 reinforcement map enters the chat:

@@skeletonwar4445 infinite reinforcement chapter 4 Thracia soldiers: Hello there

@@AzumarillConGafasBv Infinite void curse reinforcements alongside permanent air bombardment from engage's Camilla paralogue: Heyyyy

wyvern ambush reinforcements of bern solos

That doesn't seem like a fair comparison. Because that is DLC content any game would have been capable of having in the present day.

Thought the dlc just had them beating up the lords and main antagonists And are the lords really the best units in their own games?

​@@angrybisharp373It's not just the Lords. It's not the entire armies, but also not just the Lords. You can fight Clair, Ayra or Joshua for example.

I... Honestly don't get your final point about Fates. The only Awakening characters in it are Selena, Odin and Laslow and... Yeah, they aren't exactly the best units in this game.

@@DicksAbsorber the awakening trio in fates is and odd topic in terms of power strength, we know they can be BS in awakening and in fact amongst the children in that game they are very hard to screw up and even then if you did they were still workable just not as optimized. in fates they kind of stand out in different scenarios though how a usual person would play fates nowadays some of their niches have faded away at this point like rallybot laslow. in conquest odin somewhat stands a chance but the other two struggle at finding a use

huh. Guess I have a new trpg to check out

Disgaea universe in general has ridiculous power scaling

I'd argue that international era SRW is up there too, because if we're talking game mechanics, then three words: Enemy Phase Spirits. Imagine having the ability to guarantee incoming attacks miss every single time - spirit commands can enable that (particularly Alert and the ally-targetable version Foresee), and the international era of SRW (so V, X, T, and 30, the latter of which has a few especially monstrously strong units as well, one particular 7-pilot unit can practically solo even the intended-as-an--optional-challenge 10-wave stages within only one or two turns because it has stuff that absolutely shatters the action economy) allow spirit commands to be used on enemy phase. It is as broken as it sounds, with the only limiting factor being pilot SP.

@@TARDISES And then you start to think about which mechas you can use in said games. Eva unit 01? Check. TTGL? Check. Mazinger Zero? You guessed it, check.

then she stacks Braveheart-

There's No way Leif would have taken back Thracia without his Cream of the Crop Soldiers.

Thracia is balanced against Thracia from the start too, so it's thematically appropriate

Counterpoint: each of those idols have hundreds if not thousands of HP, even at level 1. Based on the standard used for this vid, they stand a real chance

I mean then we ask the question, do the have Agarthan support?

Ike solo'd a goddess, forget his army he would win a feat's match by himself. Hell, Robin + Chrom would also be ridiculously powerful featswise since they can easily solo their whole campaign by themselves thanks to pair-up.

@@rotciv557 Awakening pair up is just retarded lmao but I'm talking about feats lore wise. I can see Ike being an unstoppable force too but don't forget Byleth is a time manipulating God. Alm, Celica and Alear also have access to time shenanigans. I can see why the armies were ranked stat wise and not lore wise.

@@rotciv557 Ike did not solo a goddess as he had help from the others in the three other army, including help from another goddess.

@@thunderknight4149 Ike didn't solo, ofc isn't but Ike is the only one that can beat ashera or else ashera revive again because she's imortal.. even ike with yune blesing is consdering the strongest character in telius

I decided to leave out a cap for him since I don't fe4 has a clause for maximum units you can field. If they're in your castle - you can deploy them.

Few things I want to add (mostly me rambling) I said “amount of units available” and not “deployment slots” since I assume in every game those that you don’t field but could are still helping out in the battle just in an offscreen part of the battlefield. In a head to head matchup I’d be thinking armies would use their full might so use their full roster. How good each army’s tactician(s) are is something difficult to prove. If you want to include player input do you count those casual players playing normally or do you go with LTC warp skipping and other shenanigans? Do you want to say that if a battle is more difficult and they get through it then that shows they are good tacticians? If that’s the case then how do you determine difficulty? Average from a limited group of players since you can’t get every fans response? Based on how the characters felt about that battle? Problem with that is I think if had battles that I thought were rather easy but after the battle they acted like it was a slog and may have been (or was close to being) a pyrrhic victory. Do we just use the stuff out of the player’s control and use the decisions made that got them to the battles. So the larger scale strategies as opposed to the smaller scale? I mean sure but there are still issues with that too. How do you determine what strategy is better than another? Someone could be great at larger scale strategies and troop movements but when it comes to a smaller scale they aren’t as good and vice versa. Lastly same problem as before but with the crests, bloodlines, and weapons+items. How do you determine which is stronger.

Yeah. I figured if I wanted the most accurate answer, I'd need an army of mt own just for research haha.

Nowadays this would be a straight up warcrime. :D But he definitely has the highest headcount out of all tacticians.

@@Aurirang how is war fun without war crimes?

Let’s not forget fighting on an actively erupting volcano for a terrain advantage? Mans crazy

Meh, seliph army still solos.

Every time you feel like shit after only doing a little running, remember, that's Arden's legacy in you right there.

And if we want to add skills you get a unit like this Wrath + Resolve + Vantage + (insert tier 3 skill that auto kills here)

Absolutely not bro. Seliph would sweep all of Tellius in one chapter.

I'd actually be pretty interesting to break things down by the canonical size. We know in many games that there are a lot more members of your army than you actually control/appear on the field

@@zxylo786 That is some hilarious bait right there bro. Nice try.

@@zxylo786 If you're talking gameplay wise, Seliph's army wouldn't win unless they can deal with things like Mantle

Would you rather they be named "pepsi fanclub"?

And also Charlotte beating a handful of Faceless with her bare hands and knocking over a tree with one punch

Are we forgetting Cherche fought and tamed a wyvern when she was NINE? Granted, Minerva was weak then, but still

Lore-wise RD Ike's would be since they are literally blessed by Yune plus Lehran is effectively invincible, but Seliph would certainly be second.

@DrewPicklesTheDark Almost all FE lords are blessed by gods. That to me is a nonfactor. I don't see 95% of the RD playable cast even touching Ares. Seliph's army has a way higher kill count, and I think House Friege and Velthomer have way better armies than Begnion or Crimea.

As a huge Genealogy enjoyer I would say the closest fight lore wise would be the RD armies. The scale in RD is equal to FE4 and they'd have absolute beasts like Caneghis, Nailiah, Tibarn, Kurthnaga and Ike himself. All in all I think it would come down to the highest level of fighters in duels on the battlefield, facing off against Ares, Altena, Ced, Shannan and Seliph too. I think you could interpret the 12 crusader weapons as "blessed", which would help them against the absolute chads like Black Knight, Lehran and Dheginsea. Especially if we're considering Julia with Naga tome for the fight! I still think Genealogy Gen 2 comes out on top in the end but RD's cast would probably give them the most trouble in the whole series

Lorewise it's always gonna be Alear's or Byleth's because nobody else got time rewinds.

Three houses with 99 caps for all stats(iirc):

@@blahmaster6konly Byleth has a 99 stat cap, in Charm. They’re just all so high that you’re never gonna reach them without a massive amount of grinding. Dimitri has like 90 strength iirc.

Relatively agree. Personally I would have removed the Church as you "technically" either don't play as them / they all have relatively pre-determined factions that they'd side with outside of the Church. And I'd argue it'd be the only time it'd be appropriate to include DLC as it literally just adds 1 character per faction. Anyway, if he was going to make it so each army was choosing only the strongest for their available deployment slots, it'd be appropriate to force include the characters that are originally in that faction

But in universe (narrative-wise), why would units not fight for their home army?

HHM is a wonderful middle where the game feels very challenging but not unfair. And 3H just plays Venezuelan inflation with enemies stats. Which is decidedly not fun.

@@Aurirang HHM and FE9 Hard (not Maniac) are equally middle ground imo. Modern FEs solution to hard modes is that crazy stat boost coupled with forged weapons. smh I miss when hard meant think not worry about getting RNG screwed and throwing the whole run away.

@@MasterJP28 They're sad hard modes where it's just an rng-fest instead of proper strategies coming into play. I remember my 3Houses runs where i ended up dumping ll stat boosters into Byleth and the main lord and just Duoing the whole map because it was almost impossible to keep your squishmasters safe while also dealing with the onslaught. (seriously, Dimitri fared the best beccause of his avo-boost when he's on full hp) I think the worst enemies were Swordmasters and the Ambush-spawn Pegasus knights. The latter being especially cheap. Those were just bullshit.

@@Aurirang same but thieves and assassins with freaking pass and doubling everyone. I did a draft run with limited units and classes. Ended up doing Silver Snow and had to just hit with bows, gambits, and windsweep. There was no strategy, it was all hit and run, set up blaze and repeat. And the time skip reunion chapter is the worst!

F.E.A.R. has one meaning: Fire Emblem Alios Rule 34

I need go think it’s just a gameplay mechanic, because if there was no limit byleth would definitely have been able to save their father if they just kept turning back time.

@@mr.l8362 That entire segment was kinda dumb, Byleth tried once and then gave up. He could have just gone back before Jeralt even walked over to the lady that stabbed him. I know it was for story reasons, but still…

​@@drewthelovable6809I belive there is a limit of how many times/how much time Byleth can rewind time cannonically, I mean, Shez was able to kill them on three hopes and Byleth (or Sothis in that case) used the divine pulse quite some times to avoid some hits from Shez wich still ended up with Byleth's death, and at this time Byleth had already awoken Sothis' full power, as on the moment of Jeralt's death, Byleth still hadn't awoken Sothis' true power and considering that they were fighting against demonic beasts to protect some students, it's easy to assume that Byleth already had used the divine pulse quite some times to ensure the safety of everyone, including his own students

@@andresuperserio Do they actually go back in time? I thought they just stopped time in three hopes. I figured that they never realized they could turn back time in Three Hopes. Sothis only tried it when Byleth suggested it, and in this timeline Sothis doesn’t really listen to Byleth because she has more of her memories (and is all around more of a jerk). Byleth was completely gone during that last fight against Shez, so Sothis couldn’t do anything to save herself. Although it is 100% possible I am misinterpreting it or reading WAY too much into it…

Alear's limit isn't even a gameplay limit, as you get infinite rewinds on the lower difficulties.

Idk about Engage, but I do know that growth rates have 0 effect on stat caps for SoV. All units have a max of 52 HP, 40 Res [not that you will ever reach this] and then all other stats average out to a 40 cap. Meaning without DLC, which grants a small stat cap boost, all units have a theoretical stat max of 292. In practice, it’s more like a cap of 252 + Res base. Although SoV doesn’t care about growths very much since stats are more based around class promotion providing a growth correction than a boost, same as 3H.

As for Engage, while the growths can be an issue, you also have to factor in skills and emblems giving the characters a boost.

@@Kylesico912xI mean... not for this video, you don't