Both reactors I watched dismissed the idea that SSJ4 Gogeta was the "original" SSGod. I personally really enjoy the theory, just like in the video, Goku received energy from all the other Saiyans, including the fusion, giving Gogeta Red hair and a similar Aura.
@@callous2k486 Well the creators called it red, so SSJ4 Gogetas hair is red. Regardless if you look at a bunch of photos of SSGod and SSJ4 Gogeta multiple photos pretty much have the same colored hair
Baby Vegita also received power from four sayans but I am not sure if Bulla counts as a super sayan, same with pan. Maybe they were or maybe they did not count but for simplicity sake let's say that yes Goku and Vegita received power from four other sayans each and fused and Gogeta SS4 was a midway between normal Super sayan and Super sayan god. P.S. Apologies for writing this, I know it has been over a year but if someone reads this later own maybe they could find it useful information.
@@tibetansandfox5382 nah it was just endurance. Everyone keeps saying that GT Goku having 10 years more experience would be the deciding factor. But are you forgetting that Goku is in his late 30s/early 40s in Super? He's been fighting for almost all his life. 10 more years of fighting isn't gonna give him much more experience since he's already experienced lots of different shit
@@callous2k486 I'm saying, people for YEARS have been saying gt goku's experience puts him above super goku or another character. The thing is throughout dragonball we have been CONSTANTLY shown that experience doesn't decide fights nor does it mean u are more powerful, its other factors. Beerus is like millions of years old and yet goku can swap hands with him when he isn't even 50 years old. Gohan became an ssj at like age 10 and was also stronger than goku who been fighting his whole life.
GT is considered a different timeline from the main dragon ball timeline. It's not "it doesn't exist" because even Toriyama and db video games like xenoverse acknowledged GT as a different timeline.
Just because one isnt canon doesnt mean it isnt real I hate when ppl think non canon means non real,non canon means its just not part of the main storyline it exists it's just an alternate timeline just like the movies, that's exactly what DBS broly movie was teaching us,Gogeta and broly literally wasnt canon but they made that movie to show u if they rly wanted to they can make anything canon to the main storyline btw this is a fight between MANGA dbs goku vs gt goku
@@alexsuarez9556 He did. Zamasu regenerated from the pieces since he was immortal. Any piece chopped off of him also turned into a fully identical Zamasu clone.
It does show the landmines drop prior to the spirit bomb going for his tail. Besides, DBS Goku must have known that the actual spirit bomb hitting his tail probably wouldn't have done much considering how powerless it would be in the World of Void
It was Mastered Super Saiyan Blue that Goku used instead of Blue Evolution. Mastered Blue was used in the Manga but in the Anime they used SSB Kaioken and SSB Kaioken x10 instead. And to explain Mastered SSB it uses a lot more stamina than normal blue. Kinda like SSj3 in DBZ where he couldn't use it for a long period of time, but because of the concentration SSB needs Goku was not focused throughout the fight.
Super Saiyan Blue Evolution isn't a form of Blue that uses less Ki. That's nonsensical, if anything it uses more. Blue is God-Ki and Super Saiyan mixed, Evolution is like Ascended Super Saiyan (The form Vegeta used against Second Form Cell, which is an upgrade on SSJ1 but not a real transformation) mixed with God-Ki. The power-up Goku uses in this is exactly what he says, it's 100%. He's using Mastered Blue, which lets him use all of the form's power at the cost of rapidly draining his stamina, because it seems as if mortal bodies simply can't handle all the power normally. It's likely why Goku Black, a saiyan body with a godly soul, was able to so effectively utilise the godly transformation that it made Rose instead of Blue, which was naturally stronger on first appearance.
honestly this is a good fight, GT goku has a stronger base power but weaker forms and DBS manga goku has stronger forms but a weaker base. though GT goku would lose if we used the anime version of dragon ball super goku that fought dbs broly and Jiren but overall a good fight so glad GT Goku is displayed as good as he should be.
That Super Goku was only after the God of destructions battle and was just introduced to the concept of Ultra Instinct from how Beerus used it and whis explaining how Beerus basically does it. Therefor this is Super Manga Goku before Tournament of Power that gave him tons of Zenkais
Super Saiyan Blue Perfected just lets you keep all the aura inside yourself so it doesn't leak out for more power, it doesn't take away the stamina drain.
actually, it does have the energy drain. Vegeta stated that in exchange for keeping that power and drawing out the full potential of blue, the perfected blue form has massive energy drain if goku can't concentrate properly.
Tbh Gt Goku could keep up with god Goku since he has a tail he has more of his Saiyan roots that makes him stronger out of raw power. Super Goku is stronger in transformations.
@@RagingBlazeBloodBaka and I bet you sound dumb literally I have seen the manga I know for a fact in the manga goku never fought beerus as a ssj after losing his ssg power he also never learned ssjbkk they also skip the frizea and broly movie in the manga as well so I know what I am talking about you maybe lost but I am i never said manga goku is dumb I just said he not as smart as super goku is in the anime also I like how you say he not dumb but your next line is ( sure sometime he is) really made your point stick out with that random quote didn’t you
@@deadstarkai2.012 And whats goku never fought beerus in ssj, having kaioken ssb, skip frieza (means it literally happen the same thing as in the movies), have anything to do with super goku? Also you just seem to say super goku, but never which versions of goku you were talking about, and I say sometimes he is, and what I mean is that the one time he did dumbs things is that he gave the senzu bean to moro, and pretty much that was it, while same thing goes to gt goku, he is not dumb, but he sometimes do dumb things like even though when he knew that super 17 has absorbing energy he still uses the kamehameha to him, and The reason I say sometimes he is, because I know you might say that "oh well goku give senzu bean to moro" so thats why I said it, to know that manga goku its not perfect
I wanna make one thing clear: blue evolution is not the same as perfected ssb, blue evolution is in the manga with vegetables having both forms available to him. Other than that loved the vid
Excuses😂😂gt goku is simply just smart & it takes more than just brute strength too win ah fight i know you remember during the cell saga when they had ultra ssj & goku had stated it takes more than brute strength too win a fight
Well actually GT Goku was not so that smart. Against Super 17 it took a while before he realized that he should have stopped attacking him with ki blasts because Super 17 was able to absorb them.
@@markusvalfiori7975 I think it was more down to the SSJ4 transformation. I’m pretty sure Goku stated himself against Oozaru Baby Vegeta how the SSJ4 transformation alters his judgement, which explains (to me at least) why it took a while for him to figure out that Super 17 was absorbing all of his ki blasts
Also GT goku has a monsterous base power. At the start of GT before his power increases and regaining his tail, base GT goku was as powerful as his ssj3 self vs Buu. If GT gets all his power increases and his tail in his adult form he’s a monster.
Okay that's true but I also heard that in order to turn into Super Saiyan 4, you need to turn into a great ape that goes super saiyan and that's when the tail is important comes in
So back then when Perfected/Full Power Super Saiyan Blue when first achieved, Goku's body couldn't maintain the mass concentrated power the form has, thus put heavier strain inside his body than being the unmastered form.
Goku isn't using Blue Evolution. Evolution is to regular Blue what the Ascended form that Super Vegeta used against Cell was to regular Super Saiyan, a graded increase but not a true ascension beyond it like, say, a hypothetical Super Saiyan Blue 2 would be. Goku was using the Perfected Blue that he uses in the Manga, keeping all of his Ki perfectly controlled and internal so that he can use Blue's full power, as even mastered Blue uses so much Ki that you can only comfortably hold the form in a lesser state. Using it's true power for a prolonged fight is incredibly dangerous, as Goku almost died from his own Ki's pressure when using 100% Blue against Fused Zamasu.
No it was brains vs but Gt Goku had the brains due to knowing to hold out because he knew that form was draining Super Goku also it was experience vs transformations but that land mine technique was smart.
DBH: Ssj4 Goku is equal to SSB Goku Also DBH: SSB kaioken Vegito is weaker than base cumber and ssj4 vegito is stronger than ssj3 cumber. Me: dragon Ball heroes choose one
Ares Watkins Well we have to put base form into consideration. Also Xeno Goku put god Ki into ssj4 too. Beside this is dragonball hero ,you cannot find any logic that make sense
The thing is there was no kaioken technique and ultra instinct till that end thing and we did not really see the end to that so I think if they made a sequel super Goku would win but technically we have no idea who would win.
My nigga said it's blue evolution I dont think u read the manga bro😂 The thing with god ki is it dosent drain ki it drains stamina ssg drains stamina slowly than ssb ssb drains it fast (in the manga it's mostly a one chance/only way transformation where it can only be done once) god ki is perfect ki control but it drains stanima heavily
Many people underestimate GT Goku. What's wrong with you? I mean. I enjoyed DB Super, but at the same time, telling that GT Goku sucks is dumb. First of all. You forgot one thing. Very simple, but very important. The TAIL!!!! The tail is the main source of power of sayans. This idea was given since the firsts episodes of DB Z. If you don't know that. You have no idea about Dragon Ball and the sayans powers. You don't even deserve to still watch Dragon Ball at all for this. So basically GT Goku, just because he has the tail, is far stronger than Super Goku using the normal Super Sayan transformations (SSJ 1, SSJ 2 and SSJ 3). Now we go to the point.... The Super Sayan 4... Well this is the Oozaru form combined with the full powers of Super Sayan 3 which gathered back his reasoning. So basically, Super Sayan 4 is 10 times stronger than Super Sayan 3 (I mean Super Sayan 3 GT Goku with the tail, not the Super Sayan 3 Super Goku who was humiliated by Beerus). I have no idea who is stronger between Goku SSJ4 and Goku SSJBlue, but one thing is certain. Golden Frieza, SSJ Blue Vegeta or... whatever.... wouldn't win that easily.
i have to disagree with you about you thinking goegta not being in ssg, because if it is true, then it should be super sayian god goku (GT) fusing with ssj4 Vegeta which gets them that red hair and tht aura and besides you would see SSJ4 Goegta as a normal ssj4 aura and hair if you think about it right?
You got it all wrong. Gt goku is smarter than super goku. GT Goku is older and is a master at his craft (that's why he wears the blue gi) super goku is braindead for most of the manga/anime and is still training under others. Dbs goku relies way more on raw power than gt goku does. Roshi even ponted that out to dbs goku.
Imma Be Honest, Base GT Goku Compared to Base Super Goku Isnt NEARLY As Big of a Gap As people Make it Out to Be In My Eyes, In The Manga You Can Definitely Debate it, But if im not mistaken, Base GT Goku At the start of GT is Compareable to Buu Right? As thats whay he Says Himself, Meanwhile You Got Goku in the Super Manga Only Going Super Saiyan to Fight Kid Buu(Wheither image Training or not, id imagine it still has the same power as The Original Kid Buu). And Depending on Whatever You Believe To be the case, If GT Goku is equal to Kid Buu in Base or whatever, And I Dont know How Much Stronger Goku Got in Base over the course of GT, But i Feel like its be Safe to Say Super Goku in The Manga Definitely Got Way Greater Base Gains over the course of Super up to this point where This What If Takes Place, So Its Just Like...I Dont See How People Can See GT Goku Having a Greater Base Power, Like If Youre Comparing Super Manga Goku, Sure, I Could See it, but if youre Gonna Try to Tell me Super ANIME Goku Has a Inferior Base Level of Power...Yeah No Thats Not The Case. Anyways i Have No Real Problems With This What if Fight though, Especially Considering Blue Goku Is Shown To Be The Stronger Goku, WHICH IS THE CASE i Dont Care HOW You try to say Super Saiyan 4 is Stronger Than BLUE or Even Super Saiyan God, It Was Super Manga Gokus Stamina Draining Far Faster That Fucked Him Over in the End, Which is Acceptable and Is Pretty Much the only way id See GT Goku Winning Here. And i LOVE The Fact Goku Went Ui At the end like that.
Plus GT Goku had ten extra years of training......that is why he had more base power and was able to fight ssj3 super goku in ssj2 and even put up a fight against ssj God because he is so much stronger in base power plus he has his tail and it is a power booster and it takes away strain plus he's a adult so he can use his full power
@@Goat-lw8ov and ssj3 gt goku made super goku go ssjblue and then he went ssj4 a lil bit after because ssj3 gt goku had the upper hand against SSG goku
I loved Dragon Ball GT even though the anime was being so criticized, but Super... mmn... the truth is that its story and characters keep me out from seeing it...
No offence to the super fans.....but gt goku is not only stronger than super goku....and ssj4 is stronger than ssjblue... ssjblue maybhave a multipler of 2,000,000x base however ssj4 is 10,000,000x base... so imagine gt goku already being stronger......also has a higher multipler
Goku GT took his training more seriously, he is much older so had more training, if the ssb is stronger than the ssj4 then just with the ssg or the ssb goku gt smashes goku dbs very easily
This fight is definitely good visually. But it fails to accurately display the power difference between GT goku and super goku. If I’m not mistaken, ssb goku is universal +, while in GT base goku is universal +. Base GT goku accidentally almost destroyed the universe by powering up. When ssg fought beerus for the 1st time ssg goku was using his full power just to to half the work in almost destroying the universe. That’s wats gonna happen when u have trained for 9.5 years longer. GT starts after the end of z, 10 years after defeating buu and right around the time he starts training uub. super starts 6 months after defeating buu, 9.5 years b4 he meets child uub and goes off to train him.
Man how old goku achieve hod mode or ultra instinct and how old goku achieve ssj4 hahaha in gt 50 year old goku achive that the last transformation that akira toriyama do and the original and the last series of the dbz
I wouldn’t say he’s stronger, unless we’re comparing their base, ssj, ssj2, and ssj3 Power, in which case, Gt Goku isn’t necessarily stronger, he’s just got more experience than Super Goku, I like saying Perfected SSJB (or SSJB Kaioken) and SSJ4 are equal in power
@KenAlpha1 dbs manga says ssb is 10x ssg ritual ssg is much stronger than normal ssg, ssj3 goku was weaker than base form baby (ssj vegeta) for base baby to be stronger that ssj3 goku he must given ssj vegeta a 16x increase or 2x ssj3 goku. moving along baby transformed 2 more times which if i low ball that would mean super baby ( ssj3 vegeta) is 8x stronger than base form baby. goku became a golden ozaru which was stronger than baby if baby was a 8 then golden ozaru goku was a 10 which means goku was 1.25x stronger than baby, skipping along goku became a ssj4 and with a smight of his power he shitted on baby ill low ball and say he got a 8x power increase. skipping to the with syn shenron. syn shenron took a x10 kameha wave from a fpssj4 a normal kameha increase the user power by 2x so syn took a x27 kameha wave like it was nothing so syn must be 2x that and UFPSSJ4 goku was stronger that syn so about 2x so that means ufpssj4 goku is 100x (108x)fpssj4 goku and i decided to cut ufpssj4 multiplier in half so that means fpssj4 is a 50x (54x) increase so that means ufpssj4 is 160,000,000x ( actually 186,624,000x) base or 400,000x (466,540x) ssj3. Lastly, in the anime and manga beerus did NOT use 70%
Super goku shits on gt goku, here's why. Super goku is also set a few years after z it's not the same goku at the end of z. Super goku base and (regular) saiyan forms has God ki. Super goku has the use of the hyperbolic time chamber, not to mention whis has a pocket dimension in his staff that's like the time chamber. Also the bs about the saiyan roots dont make any sense, cause you could say the same about super saiyan God it was way before their time!
@@martaz56 ah sorry i was mistaken but you are still wrong goku in anime his base form is now universial so he only need ho is basic tranformation to win GT goku easily
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