Which is BEST: FANATEC CSL LC or Thrustmaster TLCM? 

THIS

exactly.

Fanatec shipping and customer service is awful.

which should tell you which one people actually use and like lol

Don’t buy anything from Fanatec. Awful company!

I can’t find the software… idk how to do ittt

Which mod are using?

Same here. I got my LCM's in July '20 and had no issues since. While the pedals do have a bit of a wiggle as demonstrated in the video, I don't feel it as soon as my have my feet on them. Also, the solid baseplate made it easy to mount them to my Playseat Challenge.

@@andreasotto1977 Are these pedals a good fit with the Playseat Challenge? I'm afraid that you'll push the pedals away because of the pressure or this isn't an issue?

@@FlyingHawkic damn, I wrote a longer answer this afternoon which apparently got deleted, maybe due to a link to the racedepartment forums?

@@andreasotto1977 not sure why Andreas. Perhaps links to external websites are not allowed in the comments. Would you mind to summarize your comment again without the link to the Racedepartment forum? I know there's a topic there with settings, but it looked very complicated to me. I wondered how the performance is without tweaking the settings. I have an RTX 3070 and I have no issues with AMS 2. The graphics of ACC look good on video but I've heard it looks and performs terrible in VR.

​@@FlyingHawkic errrm, Settings? You asked me about the pedals. However, I can answer to both. :-) LC Pedals (of any type) on a Playseat Challenge: They basically work, but you will have to strengthen the tray. Those red plastic thumbscrews are not strong enough to withstand the braking forces. I drilled holes in the tubes and fixed them with bolts. Also, the two nylon brackets holding the tray to the seat let go under a hard braking maneuver the other day. I contacted Playseat about the issue and they were so kind to send me a bag of additional brackets for free; three of them hold the tray without trouble since then. The belt of the Playseat can hold the pedals to the tray, but I found it uncomfortable under my heels. So I got some 3D printed brackets which originally are for the V3's, but can be used for the Thrustmaster pedals. My user name on RD is "ao1977", search my name there and you'll find my posts about my rig, including photos. About ACC: I started playing ACC on a Rift S and a GTX1080 with AWS forced @ 40 FPS and was happy with it. Then I got a 3070 and was even happier. Now I am running a Quest 2 with a 3080 on stable 72Hz with 145% pixel density and high settings and even got some headroom. Limiting the rendered FOV to 0.7 both horizontal and vertical in the Oculus Tray Tool is the key to loooooooots of performance headroom without sacrifices.

hi there, i know this is over a year old comment, but i just wanted to know if i can use my silicone spray instead? ive used this successfully against creaking doors/windows etc. might work for the springs too i guess.

@@Miamissimo I would think so, because it is for multi surface, including plastic. So you should be good!

It's a electronic shortage man not like its Fanatec's fault really. It does suck i no but what can we really do. If thrustmaster tlcm start selling like crazy they will have a shortage to its just inevitable for the next yr atleast.

@@Bobbarker23455 I'm not complaining about the situation at large, but how specifically Fanatec handles the situation. Specifically for situations where you have one or more components that are "pre-order" (the 5Nm wheel base and LC pedals) - if one is delayed, your entire order will be delayed to the furthest item date. So if you have ordered both, with the LC pedal kit date at January 31st and made the 5Nm order when it would ship January 22nd, if they run out of 5Nm CSL DD's before the LC kit arrives, the target date for the 5Nm wheel base will shift from January 22nd to June 1st. Apparently they're also expecting a shortage on those beyond that date, so it's delayed again till July 15th. Delaying your customers' entire order for 6 months instead of holding onto whatever is available and shipping out as soon as everything is available, is just crappy. Understandable from an inventory management view and "money in the pocket" guarantee, but extremely inconsiderate for customers. Especially considering the 5Nm and 8Nm base are the same product, and just ship with a different PSU (in a separate box). So they're moving inventory, but you're just shit out of luck if they receive 5Nm units and your order isn't complete so they deplete their 5Nm stock, causing your entire order to be delayed for half a year or so. In all this I had to continuously monitor the order page, as Fanatec does not send out information about these pre-order delays. At least, I got no communication and had to re-confirm with their customer support that indeed, I would need to wait for half a year. *That* is Fanatec's fault.

I am in need of replacing my g920 pedals as the potentiometers are dead. I really want the fanatec csl load cell pedals but they are currently on preorder for march 14th. I don't mind waiting but i wouldn't want it delayed anymore. I'm seeing and hearing very good things about the T-LCM pedals with a brake pedal mod. The T-LCMs are available instantly too which is pushing more towards them. I'm unsure what route to take in the future for my wheel base though. The CSL DD is insane for the money but everything fanatec is a pain to get. Thrustmaster are releasing a DD so this could be a good option for me.

@@JDSIMRacing That sucks. I think either should work fine. My LC pedal is also preordered for March, but luckily I could adapt my G27 pedals to work standalone so I can use it with the CSL DD.

All pedals have movement.

@@randomcallsign Yes exactly. :D But for the brake pedal with thar screw you can reduce it by a lot. But yes. The review was perfect. There is a clear difference in terms of build quality between them.

yeah but it will loose again after a few days... It's annoying that you have to take the pedals off the stand to tighten it because it's at the back side of the pedal base.

Consider sim forge mark 1 pedals for 350-400 plus shipping. A lot of people trashing them because they are from India. But they listen to feedback and always improve their product. More positive reviews than negative. See barry’ reviews including the update video.

@@L_Emir_de_Passy or dc sim 360 for 2 set.

@@Daisudori DC sim set? What are those?

@@L_Emir_de_Passy heusinkveld copy from Spain. DC SIM pedals. There is also BJ SIM pedals and Kapral pedals for same ish price. Cost less then v3s and for sure are better.

@@Daisudori thank you. Will look into it

Aquatic shoes, also know as beach shoes. The creator mentioned it in a prior video prompting me to try them and it's an amazing sim life hack, can recommend ;)

Its using the same pattern as my v3s, so I assume it's the same as the old ones. However, the front bolts are now m6.

The new csls don't have this issue. They are better assembled.

yeah, the build quality on the new CSL's are stellar! there is absolutely no side to side play. either at rest or under compression, no squeaks , no bends or flexes. very well made.

I've modded my loadcell with a spring and the movement disappeared.

@@henkhenkos8647 that only worked for me when the pedal was at its stop position. During braking it still wobbled

If you are on the pc you can play anything you want. If you are going ps4 you'll need a Fanatec pedal set. You don't need the DD Pro if you won't play PlayStation. The csl dd is the same thing

@@randomcallsign thanks a mill man, i play both ps and pc, only gran turismo on ps4 pro, im upgrading from t300rs gt. I guess the whole kit fanatec is the choice. Dd pro it is, with the gt moega prime. Is the aiog sq shifter good? I will use your affiliate links when ordering soon. I'll let u know exactly what i've ordered and you might have tips on setup. Really appreciate your rapid response.(ps. I dont take salt) so i have to believe what you say is gods word🤲🏎

Yes

I can't compare the two, but as someone who upgraded to T-LCM from the G29 pedals. I love it! I think either way you go, you will not regret it over the Logitech pedals. Load cells are the most important upgrade imo and makes a big difference in your braking consistency. I agree it seems his preference was based on muscle memory. When you upgrade it'll take a little bit of time to get used to the difference and create your own muscle memory with the new pedals

@@lifes-a-journey I agree with you fully, I’m also actually on V3’s and a DD1 in a profile rig. I was clarifying his conclusions as I think his video is a good one to share in our community :)

Well if you are gonna use loadcell pedals on carpet you're asking to get trouble.

I'm using my T-LCM on carpet, and have gotten them to where they're nicely usable for me. They certainly aren't capable of being used on carpet alone as the pressure on the brake would cause it to rise up and move. Since I don't own a sim rig I took a 2mm thick piece of hardwood plywood I had leftover that is considerably wider and longer than the pedal base and attached them to it. I was going to screw it into the floor to keep it stable but found that the weight of it alone keeps it from rising up under braking and it keeps in place simply being up against the wall. I also found that the spacers they provide to adjust the pedal angles work for me. I was able to get them to a more favorable angle than the G29 pedals I had. They've been great for me! Having upgraded from G29 pedals, these were well worth the money in my experience

No loadcell pedals in the world can work well on carpet.

im with you shadow. they are not designed for us casual carpet users. you can get them to stop moving by gluing velcro on the bottom or something similar, but then you still cant really use them as they tip over. i really dont uderstand why they didnt put more material behind the pedals/ mount the pedals a bit further forward. terrible leverage. would be fine if mounted though.

yeah, the angles are not ideal for my couch and having them flat on carpet. i had to use a variation of the big spacers and small spacers, and ignore the 'this way up' writing and risk damaging the threads by putting them upside down. these pedals are weird. great, but weird. i need to do what the other guy did with the plywood. or make a full rig, but i dont really have the space, so ill stick with what i have. its just a matter of finding some plywood and doing it. for now i just wedge a bit of wood under the raised middle section at the back which helps stop it tipping.

Ain’t that a bit overkill?

Should upgrade the wheel aswell then

Yes, it maxes out at about 75% (probably even less) TLCM settings (assuming max resistance set on the TLCM pedals).

@@Amioran Guess im keeping tlcm then and modding it with elastomer if csl lc is kinda weak. 70 on tm is way to light already for proper lc usage. thanks

@@Daisudori IMO CSL pedals are not worth it. If you really want a meaningful upgrade from TLCM then the only viable route is going to Heusinkveld. V3 are surely better than the TLCM but - yet again IMO - the price difference is best put onto Heusinkveld as the step-up upgrade for price/quality is much higher in such an instance. If you go V3 sooner or later you will want to upgrade to Heusinkveld anyway, so it is much better to simply save enough money to go there directly.

@@Amioran Yea, I had CSL LC V1 before. Its similar to tlcm, just nicer elastomer brake. The potmeters kept breaking tho and the stupid long travel on gas/clutch was annoying. Im gonna keep TLCM for now and try with some skate bushings and maybe upgrade to DC sim pedals later. Its a HE copy for less then v3 money ;)

CSL + loadcell + Clutch = Please buy V3 pedal instead.

Yes on PC, you can use the pedals through usb to the PC

How much do the recommended mods cost?

Csl is compstible with whatever console the wheelbase is

@@randomcallsign Yup, and T-LCM is USB standalone compatibile with PC and PS

@@randomcallsign god, i was soooo wrong, my bad. Good point

I got my tlcms 5 days ago. Much much better than the potentiometer based Logitech pedals I’ve had before.

And by the way that side to side movement on the tlcms I don’t have that problem and some other people also don’t have that problem.

Swap the clutch-throttle springs on the T-LCM. And get some elastomers or rubber packers on the brake pedal.

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Hey RC, you should compare that mod with this DIY Mod for the TLCM pedals. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-OmA11LLa9Yo.html I used them on mine and it really transformed the Brake pedal to a whole new standard and that for under 20 Euros essentially. Would like to see a comparison and have more TCLM owners see this as a viable option if they dont feel content with the metal Springs on the brake.

that video is coming soon 😁

Yeah thrustmaster cheap plastic

@@henkhenkos8647 not shaming thrustmaster its a loadcell at an affordable price. i respect Fanatec and thrustmaster for making affordable products. U right tho plastic does stink.

Yeah but customer service is shit from Fanatec. When the thrustmaster is dead you can just restore it to the store and they fix it for you or you get your money back. With fanatec it's gambling.

@@MelfjeProductionS yeah and so does Fanatec u sounding like a real karen right now.