Fanatec CSL DD vs DD1 side by side review - which is BETTER FOR YOU? 

@Spikeuk06, what did you eventually purchase, interest as I’m have to repurchase as clubsport just failed?

So good hearing this 😊

Thanks for sharing!

You see a big difference on DD1 and the CSL DD ? i don't know if i need to buy the DD1 or the CSL DD.

No problem 👍

how is the experience so far ? i have thrustmaster 300 and i think direct drive would be really nice ...

@@AntonRacing I am really enjoying the CSL DD. It is not so much the force feedback, it is the centering effect that the direct drive brings ... if the rear of the car steps out, the wheel begins to correct by itself. Amazing! My previous Fanatec wheel (the CSR belt drive) is an amazing wheelbase and the feeling through the force feedback has always been excellent ... I like a softer FFB, so I run the CSL DD at 50 - 60% in game (I bought the 8NM). Looking back, I would not buy it for the FFB per se; but the feeling of what the car is doing is so well-defined, which allows me to be more consistent. I need this as I am an old dog ... I bought my first Logitech wheel in 1999 in the days before FFB existed :) . In short, I think the CSL DD is outstanding and it will most probably be the last wheel I will buy; but I will be hanging on to my CSR for the time-being as it is so robust.

@@edteach3r in my case i work physical hard and i cant work at home with heavy force feedback ..same for the weekends i m just curiouse about more details when driving ... . so i got you right ? : you sent your CSL dd back and you stay with your CSR for a while longer ?

@@AntonRacing hey bud, I have the csl dd. I used to own a g29 sold it 4 years ago. I've only tried ACC, which I didnt try on the g29. Erm I was under welmed by the lack of power. I've ordered the boost kit and would advise anyone thinking to upgrade to do the same. Sounds like I regret my purchase, not even slightly as the details are fantastic, theres a little notching, but over all the feel is sublime. I think with the 8nm itll elevate everything. Just using fanalabs settings atm, so it might be that but FFB is set to 100.

Some Times the game doesn't allow you to drive without, like the first Ac , yes you can but you cannot change the height/ up down , nothing, I cannot play with that wrong dash view 2. F1 game, also you cannot hide the wheel

I don’t get how you don’t. Virtual wheel + no hands + neck fx is perfect for single monitor setups

Ik dude only ovals I can

@@bratosin1 You can hide the wheel in Assetto corsa.

Fr though, you gotta try VR!!

Olá, Benq 3415r. I'm not going triples as I'm using a 1080ti. Wide screen already taxes my pc too much.

Doing the disclaimer I wish was more common

They have now, R2R bundles are just 400Euro

@@EvilijoUK Thanks for the info!

Dd1 replacement maybe to come but not now I think

DD1 or DD2 won't be replaced for awhile. The CSL DD system is just a more budget friendly version.

nah maybe not podium replacement. Buy clubsport replacement at 12nm? in a year?

I saw this comment a year ago. Hoping for that new DD1 with the CSL DD motor tech in the coming months.… still nothing yet :(

​@@user-wq9mw2xz3jyou were correct :-D

👊👊

mechanix GANG

Yeah dd1 is a beast man

Actually all modern race cars employ some type of power steering which takes away a lot of that effort to the drivers. Take a minute to look around different race car paddocks and notice the physical build of the majority of the drivers. Not many drivers have the build of the rock or vin diesel to drive a car for at race pace for 3+ hours but most are more slim and wiry types of builds. I really think most sim racers over estimate the amount of sheer force or resistance that a driver "fights" through the wheel racing an automobile.

@@billwiley7216 AKTUUALLY sim racing doesnt only feature modern race cars, does it?

@@billwiley7216 indycar has no power steering actually alot of race car series don't

@@billwiley7216 you ever see a indycar driver saw at the wheel??? i don't think u know what u are talking about.

Did you get it? Was it worth it?

@@SIPEROTH Lol i havent even plugged it in yet, might resell it.

Do yourself a favor, skip the elite pedals and just go ahead and get the v3 pedals and be done with it. V3 pedals are much nicer and worth the difference in price. Order the brake performance kit at the same time you order the v3 pedals also. Then you have what can be considered an end game set up for many racers.

I couldn't wait and didn't want to gamble, so I went with the DD2. Now I finally have a base that is stronger than me. 😅 So I run it in a happy zone rather than it's maximum output, and the experience is drooling good. Now I just need either Podium pedals (if they make some) or Heusinkveld Ultimate+ pedals and I am golden. 🤤

You called it what the heck hahaha

@@user-ik5kv3fd8k Fanatec should pay me. I’ll take one Clubsport DD as compensation

Id say no, but some on racedepartment said it was worthwhile.

typical iracing kid saying every other sim is casual🤓

typical iracing kid saying every other sim is casual🤓

@@calebvenable3464 I play AC not iRacing tho.

I owned a g29, thought ill upgrade to a t300, everyone saying they die. So I ordered the pc tx or something for 950cad. The csl dd came out so I ordered that in Nov, everything came a few weeks back and is working fine. Super happy I bought it. Just out of interest what happened with yours, or was it a problem ordering?

Fanatec forum. forum.fanatec.com/categories/wheel-bases-%28and-racing-wheels%29

@@randomcallsign thanks

I have a CSW v2.5(Forza Wheel/XboxHub), and I received my CSL DD with a Formula V2.5 wheel on Sept2-2021. The DD is quicker than the CSW with the same force, but higher fidelity feedback. The CSL DD FFB dampening between my Formula V2.5 wheel and the Forza wheel is slight, and the response is slower, due to the larger diameter rotational speed. The CSL DD upgrade from CSW v2.5 is only in the fidelity, and your ability to convey quicker response to loss of traction, as compared to the CSW. Even though the CSW vastly improved my spin recovery over my previous Logitec DFGT wheelbase, the CSL DD is still an improvement in spin recovery over the CSW. I'm happy. Foregoing the DD1 allowed me to purchase the new Formula V2.5, and still save $370.(actually only saved $350 since I purchased both 5nm and 8nm PSU's, as explained below) Running too much FFB on my friends DD1 just slowed my lap times. He feels the same way, and dials it back to 10-14nm depending on sim. While I do miss a little more FFB force, in some cars, just not enough to pay an additional $720 for it. We both agree the CSL DD is slightly smoother, and just as quick, though. My friend is also considering buying a CSL DD, as a backup, as he has had to send his DD1 back for service once. Also take note: I spent an extra $20 to get the 5nm PSU, and then cut it's molex connector off. Then I made an adapter to connect the CSWv2.5 PSU to that 5nm PSU molex connector, and confirmed that the CSWv2.5 PSU 24v/7.5 amp(same Fanatec P/N on the brick as Boost kit but different connector) works to enable Boost mode, as shown on the Fanatec driver home screen. In other words, find the proper molex PSU connector, and at least a 24v/7.5a PSU, and you can save on the $130 Boost Kit upgrade price.

@@anticommoncore4065 Hi, so the original CSW2.5 PSU has 2 wires, 1 is + and the other - right? And the Molex connector is supposed to have 2x + and 2x - according to my research. So did you just split each wire to obtain 2x + and 2x - for the molex?

@@tahirballikaya213 i tried the same but with a 4 pin CPU extention cable and the female connector. Cut the wires on the extention, put both + wires on + and both - on - and youre ready to got. Yes the old CSW/CSL 1.1 power supply has only 2 wires but the two wires are rated for 24V/7.5A so everything is fine. In the end i bought a cheap used 24V/7.5A power supply and soldert the CPU extention on it because i sell my CSL Elite 1.1. My CSL DD runs in this configuration since a week after i got it(i got my in end of august). So i run my over 10 weeks with the selfmade psu and never had any issues.

@@iPain3G thanks will do it

What clubsport wheel

Fanatec only makes direct drives now man. And its not that hard man what do u need help with??

Massive upgrade.

me too

It happens when your max steering in game vs wheel options dont add up i usually have it at around 540degrees since that is what the cars I usually drive has.

this would be great

Akina handbrake

amazon. they are mechanix fastfits

I'm using a bass shaker to replicate slip effect, road impacts etc. It doesnt really replace a motion rig but adds so much more immersion than a static lifeless rig. Im not sure if it makes you faster. I guess a real life driver should try it out to see if it feels natural to him

@@tahirballikaya213 what’s a bass shaker?

@@jim9223 Buttkicker gamer 2

Assetto corsa

Buy the fanatec podium F1 than, do it

Didn't know they switched from producing SUPS 😂

eh! GOTTEM

No the Playstation compatible Podium DD1 has a blue carbon Fibre design

Yeah the dd2 has carbon fiber on it and has 25 nm of torq and a 5 yr warranty. DD1 has 20nm of force and 3 yr warranty.

Sim

The one you have at the moment

@@randomcallsign I don't have any at the moment.

DD1, easy pick. Because you can output 15Nm of torque in linear mode, which is much more intuitive than peak mode which compresses the whole data, but is pushing up the lower torque sections. With the CSL DD or GT DD Pro both 8Nm it’s in my opinion too weak for linear mode.

When I tried Simucube 2 Pro side by side with DD2 I can tell that Simucube 2 is better hands down. I don't know how to describe the feeling, but the Simucube is snappier, so you can more easily catch slides. You just "feel" by how much you have to counter with Simucube, whereas with DD2 you have to get used to a feel it provides. Simucube also has less "friction" when you are rotating the wheel than DD2. I'm maybe using wrong words, but you have to try it, and you WILL feel the difference.

@@alpha007org its just Fanatec eco system is 100x better than anyone other eco system. There's no arguing that so id take that over the slightly smoother one.

@@alpha007org True. My friend has the simicube and i have the DD1 and his feels nicer to me, its definitely less frictiony and smoother. DD1 is a little notchy. Both still great though

@@bunchamp85 yeah man Fanatecs eco system is amazing that's a big selling point for me.

When you are in Fanatec ecosystem, it's hard to see what are you compromising. It's easy when they release a new wheel, you buy it and just slap onto your base. But if you look at a broader picture, you can buy a superb rim and your "dream" (cost/function wise) buttonbox, both from a different manufacturers, screw things together and it will cost you maybe a little more, but you'll have everything to your liking. That's why we love PC so much. Fanatec as a company have a brilliant marketing. Almost everyone I saw who bought something from them, they became "the best ecosystem". I don't know what mental tricks are in play here but you can see it even in numerous youtube videos. Example: Their pedals suck, they cost a lot, you have to buy "performance pack" (or whatever it's called) but people are still recommending them.

That’s what I’m saying so dd1 here I come lol

I just ordered a DD1 today with no problems.

On the website. I'm comparing wheel bases.

tax and shipping is different for everyone thou

If you're going to drive the csl dd at it's maximum torque setting then it's not a wheelbase you should consider buying. I don't run my old csl elite at max and I've had it since it's release with 0 issues. Granted I've never raced on a dd but the csl dd is for people who don't want to run high torque. Also there's issues with clipping at running any wheel base at it's maximum settings to consider.

What about it?

Yep

Obrigado, para a próxima tento de uma maneira que te agrade