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Everyone loves Wah and Fuzz, right? Of course. Anyway... In which order should they be put? Wah first or Fuzz first? Andy and Kris try both ways and explore the differences in sound and fun!
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@lowbudgetproduction
@lowbudgetproduction 3 года назад
Actual test begins at 3:43.
@kelvendyson1508
@kelvendyson1508 2 года назад
Thank you!!!
@craighambo
@craighambo 2 года назад
Great demo and taught me a lot.Have now buffered my fuzz after the wah and love it so much.
@tnevel
@tnevel 4 года назад
Just perfect!!! Never thpught that "buffer" thing can cause this! Thanx dudes!
@ZX-6R
@ZX-6R 3 года назад
Excellent video, as usual, I'm gonna change my setup and put the wha in the preamp loop, after al the distos!
@LaszloVarga-msc
@LaszloVarga-msc 5 лет назад
Keep this two guys! They are amongst the best youtuber guitar faces. Sympatic, enjoy what they are doing, respectful and knowledgeable.
@ThomannsGuitarsBasses
@ThomannsGuitarsBasses 5 лет назад
wow! Thanks a lot man! Your words mean a lot! :) //cheers, Kris
@rtsmudge7251
@rtsmudge7251 5 лет назад
That was really interesting. I tend towards fuzz before way but I didn't know about the almost cancelling effect when down the other way around. Very cool.
@johnkernsmusic
@johnkernsmusic Год назад
i needed this today. thanks, guys.
@grimora-dg3vq
@grimora-dg3vq 5 месяцев назад
Thank you for sound leveling your videos whether on purpose of by accident. It's much easier to watch without having to deal with incompetent sound levels by so many other You Tubers.
@markferguson3745
@markferguson3745 2 года назад
The buffer fundamentally changes the range and eq of the Fuzz,- which can be good or bad, depending on what you want. As also briefly noted, what cuts through a mix, and what sounds great solo, are two different things; add a little reverb or delay, - even more change.Unfortunately, in a band mix, some of those qualities you might love in a pedal get washed away or sucked under.
@BobPapadopoulos
@BobPapadopoulos Год назад
I was watching this while pooping in a public restroom and inadvertently harmonized my fart with an A note and the dude a couple stalls down said "Nice.". Awesome.
@IanTaylor-np7xy
@IanTaylor-np7xy Месяц назад
Nice
@Michael-xp1fq
@Michael-xp1fq 23 дня назад
nope
@thunderchild888ak
@thunderchild888ak 5 лет назад
I like fuzz/distortion into wah. Bass player so it gives me the crazy sounds that pop in every now and then :)
@dylandenney3980
@dylandenney3980 3 года назад
Guitar player and I do too. I have a fuzz face and an sf300 before my wah and I love doing swells and messing with the cocked wah thing. Wah before high gain doesn't make enough of a difference
@franklee3800
@franklee3800 2 года назад
Good vid lads. Very good infact.
@cyberghost4043
@cyberghost4043 2 года назад
Great lesson people😄👍👍👍
@jimjamarch
@jimjamarch 2 года назад
Hi guys. Thanks for this. It taught me why my wah to fuzzface wasn't working. Is there a list of which pedals from boss work this way? I tried my DS-1 and it made no difference, so is it only the waza versions that have the better / more appropriate buffer built in?
@stoffls
@stoffls 5 лет назад
Great, just for the right time, when I got myself a fuzz for my board. Currently I play fuzz-wah, but with the buffer thing - I might just try it the other way round again, with my boss SD-1 in the middle as buffer.
@ThomannsGuitarsBasses
@ThomannsGuitarsBasses 5 лет назад
Sounds awesome dude! You don't always need a buffer though. Try it out without it and if it doesn't work stick the buffer between them. And most importantly: have fun playing man! //cheers, Kris
@Godisnotmyshepherd
@Godisnotmyshepherd 3 года назад
Im a little belated but im doing this exact thing and it works really well marshall -> vox wah -> pitch fork ehx -> boss sd-1 -> JH fuzz face mini Got a really creamy hendrixish tone. To die for!
@garycrant4511
@garycrant4511 5 лет назад
i should have bought the fender fuzz wah reissue a decade ago... but a simple versatile solution is to sandwich a fuzz between two wahs...
@maxsignori7660
@maxsignori7660 5 лет назад
Just for the records, there's a third way: the original VOX Double Sound had the WAH and the FUZZ in parallel (and no buffers anywhere). And the fuzz was relatively close to the Hendrix Fuzz Face.
@patrickbrown8540
@patrickbrown8540 4 года назад
Time to stick my fuzz in front of my wah. I have a fuzz with a built in buffer, but the buffer takes a lot of the fuzz sound away. Will have to try this!
@CorbCorbin
@CorbCorbin Год назад
No, you get a Wah that can handle it, or there are Fuzz Faces with ability to go after, and it doesn’t change the Fuzz at all.
@rikmcrae
@rikmcrae 5 лет назад
Learn the rules so you can break them properly.
@christopherlopez2491
@christopherlopez2491 Год назад
Just got a xotic wah and I have a empress fuzz. I liked the fuzz before the wah because I wasn’t too over baring but I can nail in my settings
@pabloramirezduron6851
@pabloramirezduron6851 3 года назад
I have a Boss Aw3, and a Fig Fumb, i think I like more the wah fuzzed than the fuzz wahzed, but the buffer seems to cause noise on the fuzz...
@pauldncn1
@pauldncn1 5 лет назад
Guys I'm surprised not a fuzz fan but both of these sounds were cool thanks the buffer issue is a problem on my pedal board time for a move around
@ThomannsGuitarsBasses
@ThomannsGuitarsBasses 5 лет назад
Thanks Paul. It doesn’t have to be a Metal Zone 😉 //Andy
@pauldncn1
@pauldncn1 5 лет назад
@@ThomannsGuitarsBasses i havent got a metal zone foes the Harley Benton American soubd have a buffer anyone know ?
@markdouglas8073
@markdouglas8073 2 года назад
My first pedal back in the 70s was a Morley Fuzz Wah.
@sozebrooks
@sozebrooks 3 месяца назад
Thanks!
@Arpeggioshredder
@Arpeggioshredder 5 лет назад
Either is fine. Having the Metal Zone gives you an extra distortion pedal to play with on its own.
@nojuanatall3281
@nojuanatall3281 Год назад
It's fuzz into wah for me. V7D black russian into morley dual bass wah. So sick!
@dude_crush_
@dude_crush_ Год назад
I use to put wah 1st and then fuzz and the only reason I had it this way was because that's how Jimi Hendrix wired up his pedals, but I really didn't like the way the wah sounded when the fuzz was engaged. I'm using a Crybaby Classic and Jimi Hendrix Fuzz Face Mini. I swapped the order to Fuzz 1st then Wah and it made a world of a difference. For me, Fuzz then Wah is the way to go!
@triplesevensix291
@triplesevensix291 5 лет назад
Bought myself a silicon fuzz & a germanium fuzz last week.....tasty dirty stuff! Cant get enough of the stuff! ;) Nice one Kris & GG (not Allin).
@Oilid
@Oilid 5 лет назад
Legend says that Kirk Hammet is watching this video!
@JaimeCerrada
@JaimeCerrada 5 лет назад
And he's using a wha before wha then a wha after the wah ... all together!!
@ultrawizardyeahyeahyeah
@ultrawizardyeahyeahyeah Год назад
This comment is unfunny and unnecessary, an awful attempt at a joke.
@snookiemeister
@snookiemeister Год назад
@@ultrawizardyeahyeahyeahwah 😢
@maltamusic
@maltamusic Год назад
What happens if the metal zone pedal is engaged too?
@jasonwrona2639
@jasonwrona2639 4 месяца назад
dope asics dood :D
@FUZZWAHH
@FUZZWAHH 6 месяцев назад
Either way works for us!
@HMohr
@HMohr Месяц назад
Is that a Boss buffered pedal in between?
@Anton_the_Vampire
@Anton_the_Vampire Год назад
I'm now very confused. HELP! So Wah into Fuzz won't work without a buffer in front of the fuzz? But Fuzz into Wah is fine? What about with Distortion pedals? Is the conventional order Wah into Distortion? This stuff always confuses me.
@eodnhoj8387
@eodnhoj8387 5 лет назад
a wah-fuzz- fuzz-wah firework display for the fourth of july!!...i love wah and fuzz or fuzz and wah!!...a question i have is why do guitarists often play around like here with a whole bunch of pedals but then just never seem to REALLY use them in actual musical combat!?... they just pussy around only getting slightly down and dirty with their sound!! 🎶🙄🎶 ... i find that the dirtier the sound the more i like it!! ... do you think i have a problem doctor andy!? ... i certainly have problems trying to get a fix for my audio habit!! ... my demand far exceeds the supply that i can find here in youtubeland!! ... another question i have is can you please tell me about any guitarists worldwide who really and i mean REALLY give it the full monty in their regular playing fuzz-wah- wah-fuzz wise!? ... i happen to follow on and off a protege of yours called filippa...she goes on and on at length about guitar pedals quite often and has an awesome board i've seen full of them...but then sadly she never seems to actually USE them much...alas she shops lots but uses little!! 😂 ... is this how it is with guitarists nowadays... all talk and no action!? ... is fuzz-wah dead!? ... only this morning i discovered a so-called 'blues rock guitarist' wallowing in hype and of long standing who then proceeded NOT to entertain me with his sadly all too clean playing!! ... i let him know my feelings in a comment!! 🎸☹😡🤬 ... i follow a lot of young guitarists on youtube... including toby lee the blues guitarist who doesn't seem at all keen to use any sort of effect pedals or even work that shiny dangling thing found on a lot of guitars called a 'whammy bar' i think... it seems to me that it's only mainly asian players who have even mastered playing that properly and to good effect!! ... sorry that i've gone on a bit here in my comment but it's something that i feel passionately about!! ... i want my guitarists to use MORE wah and fuzz!! ... i often wonder if there's a guitarist out there somewhere who ONLY uses wah and fuzz in their guitar playing...what a breath of fresh air that would be!! ... without dirtyness guitar playing SOON gets boring and BEING BORING IS THE GREATEST CRIME IN MUSIC!! 👋🙂🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 ...
@ThomannsGuitarsBasses
@ThomannsGuitarsBasses 5 лет назад
I think you’re right in that the world needs more wah and more fuzz //Andy
@garycrant4511
@garycrant4511 5 лет назад
it seems most younger players haven't a clue how to use fuzz properly. they keep their guitar vol and tone knobs permanently on 10, then just thrash about playing full chords. or speed metal solo tapping wankery... its us old blokes who can impress with our experience, skill, and slow effective technique, to gets results that satisfy in ways no young fella ever can..
@MetalHeadHippie
@MetalHeadHippie 5 лет назад
The Fuzz first was my choice. Thanks Guys.
@the_nondrive_side
@the_nondrive_side 3 года назад
The switcher.. Is a Boss and has a buffer. If I put anything with a buffer before my fuzz face it's not good. I have an active tone in my bass and it doesn't work with mt fuzz face. Any Fuzz Face variant that has an "attack" knob is able to add resistance on the input and will be happy to oblige any placement in the chain.
@DaddySoulDonut
@DaddySoulDonut 3 года назад
Yeah as soon as I saw the boss feeding the fuzz inputs I was a bit skeptical about the results of this, general rule being to keep buffers after the fuzz. Just picked up the dunlop mini germanium, will have to do my own experiments.
@the_nondrive_side
@the_nondrive_side 3 года назад
@@DaddySoulDonut it becomes more of a fuzz with parallel coils lowering input resistance with my humbucker gets mine into oscillating with the fuzz level. Square waves.
@alexandreavelar9696
@alexandreavelar9696 Год назад
Well, the fuzz NEEDING a buffer before it was unexpected, but i believe this is the silicon Fuzz Face, right?! From what i've seen the germanium doesn't respond (to buffers) like this.
@tigermosquitorecords
@tigermosquitorecords 2 месяца назад
Honestly. The blues scales in reviews on RU-vid, are like a bloody nightmare.
@michaelf40
@michaelf40 23 часа назад
I’m sorry that life turned out so hard for you.
@TDig.
@TDig. 5 лет назад
Distortion before wha, always, otherwise you re not gonna be able to do the best wha trick ever; the Frusciante crazy wha thing 😉
@ultimadum7785
@ultimadum7785 4 года назад
This comment is underrated lol
@cawproject
@cawproject 5 лет назад
You could do a Wah shout-out. Let's start with the standard Wahs of Dunlop and Vox and others too?
@ThomannsGuitarsBasses
@ThomannsGuitarsBasses 5 лет назад
Sounds good to me! More wah = more betterer. //Andy
@kkk-vu3kt
@kkk-vu3kt 5 лет назад
John frusciante use ds-2 into wah and it’s sounds so good
@TropicalFuzz
@TropicalFuzz 3 года назад
The buffer affects the fuzz sound???
@christianyanez2449
@christianyanez2449 2 года назад
Yes
@josh_ari
@josh_ari 2 года назад
I love this Joseph Gordon Levitt / Eric Andre interview!!
@djt6546
@djt6546 5 лет назад
I like to think of the placement topic as your preferred tone into a desired effect on your preferred tone. For me that’s my core drive sound into each and any other affects. I’m not a fan of distorting “effects”. But each to their own 🤘
@ThomannsGuitarsBasses
@ThomannsGuitarsBasses 5 лет назад
Your last sentence nailed it. //Andy
@phantasmagora6542
@phantasmagora6542 4 года назад
Fuzz > wah is like squeezing your fuzz through a tube. As you go from heel down to toe down it's like you're gradually introducing more fuzz into your signal. Wah > fuzz gives you a more chaotic sound, probably because you're filtering your clean tones with the wah THEN fuzzing them up, resulting in a sound with a lot of overtones.
@mikeroadblock
@mikeroadblock 3 года назад
Nice. Great descriptions. Both can work for different applications.
@mikestrowbridge
@mikestrowbridge 2 года назад
GREAT VIDEO
@bastian6755
@bastian6755 2 года назад
Hendrix used wah wah before fuzz without pedal buffer in the mid. Maybe his vox wah wah had a buffer inside?
@ZachisSublime
@ZachisSublime 2 года назад
He put his univibe and/ or his octavia in between the two which acted as a buffer. Whether he knew that or not is debatable; since he only had a few pew pedals to work with at that time, he probably experimented a lot to get different sounds.
@TypicalFNG
@TypicalFNG Год назад
Less yappin', more testin'
@GtrPknMama
@GtrPknMama 9 месяцев назад
I just use a vintage Crybaby Fuzz Wah✨🎵✨
@markdwighttadina7655
@markdwighttadina7655 3 года назад
Fuzz + Wah = Screamin'
@vaughan7835
@vaughan7835 Месяц назад
Can't have a buffer inbetween, either way on my new, old Fender Fuzz Wah. Don't care. I'm just a hack gear collector... for the right price! Already had a Dunlop Crybaby mini. ❤
@jaykay5811
@jaykay5811 5 лет назад
I think a transparent like a soul food first works but too much distortion at the front muddies the tone too much
@ThomannsGuitarsBasses
@ThomannsGuitarsBasses 5 лет назад
Sure but that would be overdrive wah, not fuzz wah. Happy to do it for you though! //Andy
@ikesours6558
@ikesours6558 4 года назад
Auto wah with reverse might be best (regardless of order)... Maybe even a studio reverb at the end.
@jamalabdul2009
@jamalabdul2009 5 лет назад
I’m a wah to fuzz guy.
@taunoctua245
@taunoctua245 5 лет назад
#metoo . I honestly don't see how it worked the other way with these guys.
@ahmadzuhairi
@ahmadzuhairi 10 месяцев назад
So the crazy sound is: Guitar-->fuzz-->wah-->Amp right?
@jeronimomartinezfabregas
@jeronimomartinezfabregas 5 лет назад
WTF now means Wah-The-Fuzz to me
@PooNinja
@PooNinja 5 лет назад
ha
@christopherkang5707
@christopherkang5707 4 месяца назад
Wah To Fuzz
@andrea_occhipinti
@andrea_occhipinti 4 года назад
Cry Baby isn't true bypass. What happen if: 1) True Bypass Wah > Fuzz? 2) Any differences if germanium or silicon fuzz?
@Jordan-rb28
@Jordan-rb28 3 года назад
True bypass doesn't matter, the buffer is necessary, and germanium is the same way
@BAMozzy69
@BAMozzy69 5 лет назад
I have always preferred Fuzz into Wah and the only time I ever use Fuzz. I love that Red PRS Custom 24-08 (if I am not mistaken) and that PRS 509 looks great too!!
@modelcitizen1977
@modelcitizen1977 2 года назад
Wah into an Op-Amp Big Muff for me.
@DanielBrophyMusic
@DanielBrophyMusic Год назад
If you have a high quality wah pedal, with hardwire true bypass, I think this becomes a non-issue
@mhman824
@mhman824 3 года назад
👉 This is better on bass.👈 I ran fuzz from my Spectrum pedal inrto my 90's Morley Power Wah just to re-live some Cliff Burton memories. Fuzz then wah is the only way to go....unless you're a guitarist,then you will likely do something silly.
@dylandenney3980
@dylandenney3980 3 года назад
Guitarist here and I prefer fuzz into wah too. Love the massive swells. Wah into fuzz is almost imperceptible, especially with a big muff
@jubyerhashin8214
@jubyerhashin8214 8 месяцев назад
I found Waldo!
@fraenkiboii
@fraenkiboii 5 лет назад
comp->fuzz->wah for me
@zooropa200
@zooropa200 4 года назад
Can you tell me the cry baby model please.
@BSIII
@BSIII 3 года назад
They said GCB95
@apeekaboo
@apeekaboo 5 лет назад
Treble booster > Fuzz > Wah
@crapmalls
@crapmalls 7 месяцев назад
Then you're putting a buffer before a fuzz face though
@richatlarge462
@richatlarge462 8 месяцев назад
So first fuzz then wah.
@ximtex
@ximtex 5 лет назад
AH HA !
@marquisdecarabas1312
@marquisdecarabas1312 Год назад
Please ask somebody to help you to tie up your shoes. 🙈 Beside that. Great clip. Thanks 😁👍
@binface9
@binface9 5 лет назад
In the thumbnail it looks like it's Andy with Prince Harry in this video
@ThomannsGuitarsBasses
@ThomannsGuitarsBasses 5 лет назад
Hahaha that would be something //Andy
@Um_im_ryan
@Um_im_ryan 4 года назад
Am I the only person why thinks the tone of the fuzz changed when the buffer was added in
@mikeroadblock
@mikeroadblock 3 года назад
Yes. I think they were going for what works. Both ways work and how to fix it if not.
@PooNinja
@PooNinja 5 лет назад
WHA first !! unless your... METAL ZONE for all effects just mod the mid freq control to an expression pedal and bingo METAL WHA ZONE.... Wasa you got to say now! MT-2 For life!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@hgostos
@hgostos 4 года назад
7:00 Wazas are NOT made in Japan.
@Dovvik
@Dovvik Год назад
Why am I hating this guy with curly hair? Because he's trying to sell me the whole stock just for the sake of making money.
@johnnygoodwill407
@johnnygoodwill407 3 года назад
I bought a 90s fuzz wah crybaby. Problem solved
@tube-A
@tube-A Год назад
TALK TOO MUCH😩
@mianeye3518
@mianeye3518 2 года назад
but Dunlop says that first fuzz and then wah pedal. That's the original text in the pdf file of the manuals from DUNLOP: Jimi's preferred hookup was: Guitar to Fuzz to CRYBABY® to Amplifier.
@brokenfinger1979
@brokenfinger1979 Год назад
Sorry, Jimi had it right from the get-go! Run the Wah first dudes, lol why try to reinvent the sound?
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