Great review Joe. Will you repeat this with your M2C versus a new G42 M240i when they’re in the UK. I hoping to take delivery end of Jan so happy to lend you one
I found this fascinating. As a former M140i, and current M2 Comp owner, this pretty much confirmed what I’d always felt about the two cars. In the real world, the M2 doesn’t really feel any faster than the M140i. The torque advantage from the B58 in 3rd gear is telling. The M2 does feel and look more special, and is ultimately a quicker car objectively. But as you rightly say at the end of the video, even a lightly tuned M140i is going to hold it’s own and potentially even embarrass the M2 Comp in the real world. The M140i is a gem at the price point you can get them for these days. Awesome comparison, thanks for making it happen and sharing it here.
Exactly, a huge thing for me though (as with any 1 series) is I personally think they're pig ugly! Just wouldn't feel happy seeing it on my driveway in the morning lol
@@Robbbbb1011 I think the 1 series improved over time, especially after the facelift. But, I get where you’re coming from, the look is not for everyone.
I've had the 140, M2and now an M4C, the later two are head a shoulders over the 140, yes its fast in a straight line but the 140 is not even in the same class as the M2 and actually the M2 isnt in the same class as the M4, unless you get the CS!
I have now got my LCI2 shadow edition 3 door manual M140i. Really does feel like a proper unicorn, the dream spec. Absolutely love it i will keep it forever.
As an LCI (but pre PPF 👌🏾) M240i manual owner I really enjoyed this video. Always glad to see OMP, been watching consistently since you ordered that car and it’s been fun to follow its adventures.
Great video as usual Joe! I am biased due to owning a 140i ZF (largely due to your 140i/M2 comparison years ago!) but unless you are into track days I would think that for everyday use and for the routine 30 to 70 drag off the roundabouts (not that I do this of course!) the M140i is difficult to beat.
Excellent test this Joe. I’ve gone from an m240i to a Giulia QF and let me tell you that the B58 is one hell of an engine to have in a car that size. If anyone out there is contemplating one, do it. Definitely an m car for the road.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts! 🙂 It is nice to have the option to a more trackfocused option with the M2/M2 Competition with the ability to be a good road car. And with the M240i/M140i a more roadfocused option with the ability to be a good trackcar, with only a few mods. Can‘t really go wrong with either choice, that is so cool! 🙂
Stage 1 map that m140i :) Loving the content, I've also just purchased an m140i, it's such a fun easy to drive car. It also gets great fuel economy on the motorway 40mpg!
I reckon you could get a lot more than 40mpg on the motorway ☺ Can nearly get that out of an F13 M6 and my 981CS gets over 47! Whatever the case, the M140i is still a great little car (incidentally, I don't like the aforementioned M6 at all- I'd take the M140i over it every time!).
@@ApothecaryTerry I did have a faulty exhaust vanos actuator, have just replaced it, so will see if my MPG improves :) Loving it so far on the back roads.
@@Sync0r Be interesting to know, a manual M240i is an option for my next car, the only thing against it is that I'm an attention whore and it's not very rare or flashy looking ☺ That and the interior is cheap, but I can definitely get over that. I reckon it should at least match my 981CS for economy, but to be fair I drive that like a granny on long runs- can't hear the stereo if I do more than 65! Off the motorway I get slightly less mpg...
@@Sync0r I used to get 44+ mpg on a run from mine when it was standard (auto). Not sure I could get that now it's 455bhp/634nm, but even with that power, I still get 40mpg on a run. I have seen it as low as 5mpg though :-))))
Same story here, the m140i isn't perfect but as an everyday car it's brilliant. I can't find anything to replace it with, without spending double the amount.
Very interesting video. I have a 2018 M140i (pre PPF), manual with rear wheel drive as my summer car and I really love it. With the various adjustments the car has, I can outrun older M4s (M2s anyway) on the German Autobahn, which is really fun.
Last month I managed to write off my lovely m135i when water got sucked into the engine so a word of caution for anyone with these cars- if you come across a flooded road just turn around and find another way, even when EVERYONE else is going through with no problems :/ PS 4.7 seconds in a manual is insane!
Great video as always. Miss my M140i, would have still had her if some numpty hadn’t wiped me out on dual carriageway ( van pulling from lane 1 to lane 2 failing to see me!). Still 3.5 yrs and 85,000 miles and smile with every journey…
Great video Joe and insightful to know about the different engines! Something a dealer will never be able to explain to anyone and the price of the M140i shows it is an absolute bargain! My MK7 Golf R manual is yours should you wish to do the same 👍
I feel a bit sad that bmw does not go full M for the M140i, like brakes and front end and lsd. Because with b58 it can destroy many jokes on wheels like a45 and rs3.
Another great video Joe. As a recent M140i owner I found this video very interesting. My budget would never stretch to an M2 but its good to know the M140i can hold its own against the M2. Performance bargain I think, even with prices going bananas just now. Glad I managed to get mine in March when prices where more realistic, in fact the dealer I bought mine from had dropped the price by £1000!! Keep up the good work Joe, your videos when you owned an M140i where very informative and helped me in my decision to buy one. Still not sure if I should have went for a manual, but the auto is pretty good.
Great vid as always. As a m135i lci Manual owner it’s nice to see the m lites with the inline 6 and rear wheel drive still fly there flags high, especially when you compare them to the new gen equivalents. Keep up the top work 👍🏻
As ever Joe,your videos are always a great watch with great inspiration,after watching your m2 competition against the m140i, how about doing a stage 2 plus m140i with suspension diff and brakes,against your car,things being more equal the results will be extremely interesting for the masses,at that point I'd like you to evaluate cost of the cost of the m140i then the cost of the conversion against the cost of the competition as a whole,but ultimately keep this videos coming,im loving it....
Can't see the problem with the PPF cars. They're just as powerful as before and whilst the exhaust was more subdued when new my 68 plate car is beginning to sound really fruity with 10k miles plus under its wheels.
Great video mate! Both cars are amazing and that M140 certainly punches above its weight. Question on the M2C, you have the Eventuri intake + Remus exhaust. Eventuri claim an added 18whp / 50nm with this intake. I don’t have the stats on Remus. Have you had your car on the dyno as there is a strong probability your power figures on the M2C are higher than standard? I'm not taking a shot at the M2C because I have one:) Standard the M2C is technically quicker but just curious to hear your thoughts. Again, awesome video mate and thanks!
Great video Joe. I had a 2017 M4 Competition (DCT) but I'm now running a manual 2017 M140i as a daily driver and in real world driving, B roads etc the manual M140i is so much more of a connected drive and it honestly make's me smile more (I know that sounds crazy). If i ever bought another M4 comp, it would hundred percent be manual over another auto. This M140i though, epic little car! That B58 is such a great engine and it will be be tuned in coming months 🤙🏼
Considering a tidy M140i is available at £15k now they are incredible VFM. Sadly when I drove one it just didn’t feel special, plenty fast enough but elsewhere pretty bland and I couldn’t go through with the purchase. My M2 put that right though, drove it and bought it. Between driving the M140i and the M2 I had a W204 C63 with a map and Quife diff and the M2 is an upgrade in almost all in facets of driving experience, bar the sound and outright pace.
I bought an M140i couple months ago and it's brilliant. It has a stage 1 tune on it and god it moves. Next week my coilover kit arrives and next few months om going to get a B58tu pump and catless downpipe for even more power. Next thing is an LSD and i think i'll have the perfect Hatchback
Another great vid Joe! When do you review the new M240i X-drive? I won't be swapping my M240i for the new one, would cost nearly £50K for a similar spec (mine was £44K) and the back end is hideous. Plus with PPF and emissions regs the exhaust sound is pathetic compared to mine with an M-Performance back box and no PPF.
My M140i pre PPF is just a perfect compact daily car. Good performance, good sound, not so shouted looking, easy and cheap to maintain. I think one of the best value for the money on the market.
Joe why didn’t you do a rolling start in second gear at 30mph? Which is what realistically would happen in the real world considering the M2 goes 40mph in 1st so second would be a more realistic scenario at 30
Nice vid, having driven both I’m minutely surprised in car to me the M2 comp feels more quicker than it looks like here but just shows real world from all speed. Nice vid fella 🙌
Why oh why did I selling my m240i auto with adaptive, loved that car. I did replace it with a 440i with MPSSK. Both purchased on your recommendation Joe, thank you.
I have a 2016 440i GC. Basically a less powerful and heavier version of the m140i and I understand on a track there is no way I hang with an M2 or M4 but every single real world drag race i've done versus an M4, I perfectly kept up with the M4. And the 2 opportunities I had from low speeds, it didn't even pull an inch until we hit about 120kmh due to it's wheelspin. For daily real world driving, that b58 feels just as quick, no joke. And then there's tuning on these... So, so effective! Even with just a stage 1 I know i'd have actual M4 straight line performance. However, my dream would be an m340i or m440i with MPE. :')
Great video Joe, and thanks for sharing. I have a 2018 M140i, and this has made me think about keeping it… unless TRL in Croydon comes up with a mega deal that I can’t resist! 😊
But Joe your M2C is modified with Motec suspension, Airbox, better tyres and exhaust. I think those things will make a a bit of a difference in performance. M140i looked stock.
I’ve had a few ‘M-lites’ now and think they’re fabulous road cars. Probably a better road car than a full-fat M most of the time. Having driven a couple of Ms, the M2 and M3, they are much more focused, so it basically boils down to what you want and also your own level of driving skill. Real performance drivers and track goers would probably be best served in a M car. The rest of us would probably be better served in an M-lite. It has a broader range of ability in the real world, doing the comfortable day-day cruiser much better and with much better fuel consumption to boot, yet also turning into a nutter machine when you want it to. As Joe does, I would highly recommend adaptive dampers, they make a noticeable difference to comfort and control levels.
If you ever want to do an m140i xdrive stage 2+ (480hp) VS new M3/M4 xdrive I'm available! power/weight they should be pretty similar, I would actually love to find out the result :D
Great vid- very interesting comparison. Would have loved to have taken part in my stg1 435d for a proper 'wild card' entry. Fairly confident it would have held it's own against the two petrol cars.
Im curious about comparing the M2 with a Birds BMW version of the 140i. Birds fit an lsd like the M2 has and upgrades the suspension and engine to over 400 hp. They can upgrade the brakes aswell if you want to track the car.
Great video Joe! I Currently have one of the last M140i's made with a stage 2 Litchfield tune up complete with an akrapovic system. Always wondered how it would go against the likes of your M2. I aspire to own your M3 one day!
@@WaseemKhan-iu4bh I see your point but it wouldn't prove any more than what we know now m2c will still win. Manual m2c against zf m140i I feel would be closer as well.
@@giftorreid8876 i dont think zf will make that much of a difference as it's still quite a bit slower than a dual clutch plus it is heavier than a manual... maybe half a car length closer from the hit and even less so on the roll
Great video, really shows just how close a standard M140i is to the M2C, even with 70bhp less and narrower rear tyres. I would love to see what a remapped M140i does against an M2C as they have identical power (M140i with a remap usually 410-420 bhp), because even with narrower tyres I think it would win. My own M140i (auto) with 455bhp/634nm pulls away from standard M2C's (I have the standard wheels on too).
Great video Joe, thanks! Having had my manual 2015 M135i since new, I’m about to say goodbye… if anyone’s interested let me know! Wiggle/Carwow etc seem to be interested but I’d like to see it go to a good home 👍🏻
Love the B58. We have it in a 2018 440 convertible, M sport spec with M adaptive steering and suspension. The b58 is super relaxing when cruising in comfort mode, but turns in to a fast roaring beast when switching to sport and sport + with pops and bangs added to the mix. And that despite weighing in at almost 2 tons. We do have a tdi tuning box on it, which does make a difference, particularly when in the sport + setting. And then of course the pleasure of driving « topless ».As an added benefit, when driving normal speeds on the highway we consume less than 8 liters/100km of 95 (regular). All in all, the best and most versatile road car I’ve ever owned; love it… Thanks for this great comparison’ Joe. I indeed think that the b58 is the more versatile of the two engines, though in this comparison the least powerfull.
I found my M140i was quicker when I shifted at around 5500 rpm instead of redline, the torque trumped the top end power drop as the turbo runs out of volume.
Just for interest sake the b58 runs a slight higher compression ratio of 11.1 compared to the s55 10.2 so low down it should outrun slightly exactly what you demonstrated but the downfall off the 58 is it will require higher octane fuel for it to keep up to the s55 , BMW actually reduced compression ratio for the s58 to 9.6 that makes it a more linear power delivery engine and cooler combustion temps
Yuwan said the M140i is a good alternative to a Supra, because it has the same engine and same horsepower, but the M140i has a manual, which the Supra doesn’t.
Great content as always @Joe Achilles.. I think and I stand to be corrected but the manufacturers out there are no longer concentrating on manual gearboxes or how good they are to launch etc.. the focus is primarily on auto or dual clutch boxes and if you want to go fast in a straight line, you'll have to go for the new box.. manual has become so tricky to get a good launch that even though the car has good power and potential.. slower cars put up a good fight.. I see this at the drags all the time.. I'm pretty sure if you use the auto M2C.. it would would a completely different story altogether.. the manual cars nowadays just don't put the power down like how an auto would
Really interesting video. Although it would be interesting throwing them around some corners to see how far back the 140 falls. I say that with love for the 140 and as the owner of a pre-ppf model
Rematch with S55 vs B58 and S55 I reckon :) I know you'll be in an 8AT but 3rd in the 8AT is close to 2nd in the 6MT and 4th is likewise similar to 3rd.
13.01 for the quarter mile in the m140 is bloody good for a manual too! Kinda upsetting really 😂 I’ve got an m140i auto pre PPF and at Santa pod the best time I got on the day was also 13.0…
Really interesting video! If you're ever interested, I live in Buckinghamshire and currently have a stage 2+ M140i ZF 8 Speed with tons of performance, handling and braking mods. Would be intrigued to hear your opinion on it and possibly see how this performs against an M2 Comp. Reply to this comment if this is something you would be interested in doing and we can sort something out 👍
