Is the BMW M2 worth the EXTRA £10,000+ over an M140i? 

Same as above, went from m240i to m2c and the difference is night and day, especially when pushing it!

Go for M2 cs plz

Filmed in between snow storms aswell 😂

@@lookship I can recommend an LSD on your 140 - had mine done in October. It’s really good. Wet traction out of junctions is easily better than FWDs. I can’t believe I’ve owned 4 other RWDs without LSDs. Signed - LSD fanboy....

👌 where was this filmed looks a kwl Spot

Ps I’ve had modded cars for ever (getting on a bit now) including Nissan Gtr, corvette, m3, golf r, cosworth, supra etc….. what I really liked here was you were confident and honest enough not to make a video simply justifying your decision but were open and fair.. Lots of RU-vidrs and comments aren’t real they’re just justification of decisions. Say it like it is. Respect. The biggest thing is fun. My fav car from all I’ve had…. A Renault 5 gt raider stage e. Nothing to do with bigger bhp is better and numbers, all about smiles per mile. What makes you happiest….

A lot of RU-vidrs are controversial just for clicks. I'm not about that 😅

When you said the “M” boys”” i realised i’d made the correct decision and bought the M140.

Depends where you live. Outside of the UK, the M2C comes with standard M seats and bigger brakes (if not standard, an option). Out of the EU as well, there are no particulate filters and therefore the S55 sounds more glorious. The M2C slaughters an OG M2 at the top end. If money is an issue, an OG is a smart buy but not the full or real M car.

Agreed, I switched from my M4 Comp to my OG M2, the M2 Comp and CS have the same hub issues as the M3/M4 and after having my M4 spin it's hub twice needing a engine replacement, I intentionally went for the OG M2 because it doesn't have the hub issue unless one tunes it up to +600bhp,.. I spent around £2k for a stage 2, GTS Flash and it has no trouble matching M2 Comps and CSs on power/speed and the only real thing I can knock it on in comparison with the Comp & CS is they have better looking seats and (I think..?) the carbon fibre body kits n bits are standard, where I had to purchase my carbon kit separately. I also fitted a set of the Forged CS Alloys (In black), because they look great, save a bit of weight and I got a really good deal on them. Still got lots of stuff planned (all self indulgence!), and it's not made me regret spending the extra £10+k on a Comp or CS, and not having that potential engine killing hub issue constantly lurking in my mind is a godsend! My wife owns a 2019 M140i SE which was as fast as my stock M2 in a straight line, but got embarrassed through the bends... I were going to tune it up instead of getting the M2 but, after speaking with someone who had spent £7k sorting the handling out, he said it still couldn't hold a candle to the M2 on track, so I just gave it the Motec stance and power kit, and it's a better cruiser for long distance travelling than the M2, but I'm looking at some better Coilovers for the M2 to rectify that. OG M2 all the way! In my opinion at least.

That’s good to know, I have an m140 and coming to end of pcp period. Got my heart set on an m2 comp!

Thanks fella 👍

Yeah how's he failed to mention the gearboxes???

Wait till after December second hand car prices have gone up madly

@@prometheustv2084 haha cheers but I have in and ended up buying an M135i last month and have no regrets

XHP3 gearbox map for the ZF8 is quite cheap, and makes it less annoying in comfort, and savage in sport+.

Don't want Wiley to shank me 😂

More like 38-45k with low miles. Never getting a comp for under 35k with low miles

Cheers bud 👍

The problem is if your dumping 10k worth of mods on the m140i you ain’t getting that back. So your m140 is now the price of the comp but will sell for half the value the m2 would in 2 years time. To me it would make more sense to get the proper m car surely ? At least it looks the part too!

The M140i has a lot of potential and it was a good bargain in Oz, but don't fool yourself that you have one that is better or matches an M2C. At best, you'll be close to a stock OG M2 (wanted F20, went F87).

@@nessuno5403 I have driven the M2 and the M2c. Also I owned an M4 for 2 years (until my situation changed), along with many other cars,, I am over 50years old. You are correct in saying that the M2c being a proper m car would in standard form be faster. Especially around a track. No argument from me. I needed more doors and mostly take the dogs to the beach plus live in a busy city so after testing a golf R, focus RS and loving more cylinders I bought the M140 as a cheaper runaround. With the mods I have done to the little 140 it is faster than a unmodded M2c in a straight line. Fact. Taking nothing from the M2 c, is a great car but being a 2 door, $110000 the little 140 is a bargain and though not a track oriented car is a motorway stormer. For what is is at least.

@@gazza1wa623 the M140i was/is a special unicorn and, in terms of practicality, the best choice compared to an M240i. But again, no dynamic or performance match to a stock M2C, sorry (I've tracked them and a friend even sold his heavily modified, rear widetrack M140i, for a Supra).

@@nessuno5403 like I said. The m140 is no track car. Even with suspension and bracing mods. But a standard M2 comp is 420 hp , runs the quarter in early 12s. 100-200 kph in around 9 secs give or take. They weigh about the same as my M4 which is 1650 kgs give or take. That’s all standard,, no mods. My M140 is around 530 hp on pump gas. Runs the quarter in early to mid 11s ( traction is a nightmare with ps4s) 100-200 in late 6s and weighs 1575kgs. Remember, this is not a standard car or a stage 2. It has pure turbos 800 and a dorch stage 2 capable of running ethanol along with other supporting mods.. My M4 was stage 2. The M140 is a wobbly little thing compared to my M4 but is a lot of fun. If you are in Brisbane Oz I’m happy to meet/prove.

@@gazza1wa623 thanks for detailing the monster mods so I retract my stock comparisons! 😂 Alas, I'm in Mexico...

RK Tuning. Was already on the car when I bought it, but it isn't too difficult 👍

You need to upgrade everything on the m240i to make it handle as well as an m2, arms, bushes, suspension, wider wheels, LSD, spacers to try and match the width etc. might aswell buy the m2 as the m140i won’t hold the value like the m2 so your losing all that money your spending on it.

Somewhat agree alright, as a OG M2 owner myself, still prefer the sound of the N55, affordability, ample power, however I think the comp upgrades more then justify the price differential...S55, proper M seats, M mirrors, improved suspension etc...

N55 sounds so much better than the comp. The comps are almost silent in comparison. I was gutted when I test drove the comp after getting out of the og. Ended up going for the og. Spend a few grand on the og stage 2 440bhp and it’s just as fast as the comp but with much better sound track.

Nothing wrong with the n55 in the m2. it’s reliable, tuneable and sounds fantastic. If you only interested in drag races the M2 probably isn’t the car to choose in the first place.

@@user-xl7yf7pc7k suspension part numbers on the on the og m2 and comp are identical. The comp has a extra strut brace and different dsc,diff and steering software. All can easily be added to a og. Og is also lighter than the cs.

The M2CS is a parts bin special so the M2C is the smarter choice. Same M3/M4 engine, unlike the OG which had the lesser model's engine.

@@nessuno5403 A neighbour has an original M2 2018. It's a lovely car and would probably gap me in the twisty bits. But, £45,000 (it was very low mileage) is a lot of money. I think my M140i stands me at £23,000 after the mods, and will pull away from his M2 with ease now (455bhp/634nm). Yes I need better dampers, and a wavetrac diff. But with those, it will still only stand me at 27k and another 3k will get me an upgraded fuel pump and Pure800 turbo for close to 600bhp. It's a bargain. As for the M2CS, I think you assumed I meant the old version, silly you. The 2021 M2CS has the M4C engine.

@@DjNikGnashers eh? Tart up an M140i all you like, but it will never be an M car, just a traffic light sprint winner. And CS old version, new version? It's you assuming things and being factually wrong. I mentioned the OG to put it in context as model that wasn't a full M car (because of the N55 engine and missing F80 bits). Meanwhile, M2 CS has the same engine as the M2 Competition, but with an M4C tune. They all share the same S55 and max torque. Not sure where you get that the CS has a different engine to the M2C (I would know... owning and having tracked the latter; having driven the OG and rejected the CS and M140i).

12mm front 15mm rear

That's what I've just ordered with the standard stance springs 👌

Glad someone noticed 😉

Yeah the comp doesn’t sound great. The N55 M2 sounds much nicer.

It's because of the opf filter, the M2 comp needs a non resonated equal length midpipe with opf delete. And believe me, the car will sound perfect

@@TheTranfan yea i know i havbe a comp ive been looking at millteks its more the exhaust length than the opf. a b58 with a opf still sounds pretty good.

@@TheTranfan the S55 has never sounded nice. The early M3/4’s don’t sound very nice either, it’s just a loud blare.

@@samcourt6228 that's why you need the equal length midpipe

Aye I want to get in a few older M3s myself to test em out. See what the hype is all about 😉

They look like standard m2 comp wheels mate

Vvvvv true

B58 better

S55 sound is only an issue in the EU/UK. Overseas, particulate filters aren't required, so the M2C S55 sounds better than that in the F80.

Put your 334 a month on a car thats not depreciating. Your thank me in the long run,

@@lloyd.8272 Do you drive a car that does not depreciate? Maybe a cheap civic won't depreciate too much.

Apologies fella. I used a new set of headphones to edit this one so I'm just dialing everything in 😄

@@lookship no worries man, look forward to the next one

All have to live to our means buddy. You might get one one day!

As for comparisons to the M-lites, they are great to 7/10ths, OK at 8 and fall to bits at 9-10/10ths, over B roads anyway. The M2 is a weapon right up to the limit and it's not easy to get a 40i to do that, certainly a brace and diff aren't even close.

I agree, OG is my personal favourite. It has a character that’s missing from the comp, it’s lighter than the cs and sounds amazing and arguably the better looking car.

what makes cs great is not the weight reduction, it's the suspension taken from the M3. @@lloyd.8272

The only juice coming out of anyone will likely be vomit: you can bet the G87 will be bigger, fatter, uglier. The S58 is detuned and the car may be built in Mexico too.

@@nessuno5403 early renders look better than M3/4, but not as pretty as current M2. It’ll sit somewhere in between. Detuned S58 - software over hardware. Once the ‘impossible to crack DME’ have been unlocked you’ll soon see 6/700hp S58’s, 900 on hybrids etc. Will it go xdrive I doubt it

@@one40i19 the DME since MY21 is locked and not cracked yet. The S58 will have a more heavy duty chastity belt. AWD? Get an Audi :) Apparently, they'll soon show the iM2 which is a 1000bhp electric car that may show the styling direction of G87.

@@nessuno5403 hence why I said once. Some quick S55 M2c out there. There’s the potential for it to be xDrive, but I reckon they’ll keep the purity of rear only.

Not really, but it will be much closer

Definitely not, clearly never driven an M2 😂

@@lewisvincent7479 clearly not😂

@@lewisvincent7479 hahaha I wish I could, I've got a Z4 manual very diferent

@@MiataND3 hopefully you get the opportunity, different league to an mlite!

BMW M owners live up in the Olympus, not downtown Athens 🤪

N55 M2? An M2C is king.

Apart from the m2 looks 100 Times better

@@nessuno5403 mc2 comp .... the wheels and exhaust 🤢say no More !

@@bespoke500 😂 stick to your lovely small French cars (they are lovely)

@@nessuno5403 I do have a my m2 parked next to my “lovely french car “

Why would you need an M140 when a tuned up civic beats it?

@@duosable A tuned civic can't beat a tuned BMW just in straight up power especially it lags all day and by the time it his peak the race is already over so i don't know maybe you just purchased a civic while i had a few of them tuned and turboed and never are they that car to beat the BMWs maybe on handling but not even that i'm being nice.

@@jurzyjohner432 I was being sarcastic. It’s hard to modify the dynamic of a chassis. I have a c63s coupe, thinking about getting a m2cs, the suspension taken from m3 is the ultimate recipe for m2.

@@duosable Ah dude well get the S58 version you won't regret it.

V true 🥲

That's an urban myth, practically speaking. The internet let's little sparks (mainly due to owners massively modified and abused S55 engines) become wild fires in the hands of owners of lesser engined cars 🙂

😂 Wishful thinking! The way BMW is killing its brand design and heritage, not to mention more restrictive regulation and controls, likely means the F87 will be the one to own and keep.

@@nessuno5403 perhaps! I've got to see the new one in the flesh first... but I take your point...hopefully it won't have the same rear lights as the f87...m140i LCI rear lights look better

@@giftorreid8876 hopefully your faith and patience will be rewarded :) rumour has it, there will be no G80 M3/M4 snout on the G87 so at least that's some good news, but beware it may be built in Mexico.

@@nessuno5403 nice talking to you nes...I'll talk further when it comes out...however if you get any new photos or film on RU-vid of the new one please alert me...🧢

@@giftorreid8876 your best best is to follow Bimmerpost if you already aren't. There's quite a lot of info and previews on the next (standard) 2 Series coupé. I'll stick with F87 Comp. Happy motoring!

Og definitely has a character that’s missing from the other m2 models.