@@schneiderelly While talking about Robert and Ned Joffrey in the book, Robert thinks "How can I have a son like this?" But he just keeps thinking because he doesn't have any evidence.
Robert wasn't a fool - he was a brilliant and once able-bodied general who lost his purpose when the war ended, and lost his will to live when Lyanna died. He just didn't care.
He didn’t love her, he love the idea of her. He loved the idea of being a war hero, rushing into battle to save the woman he was to be married to from the tyranny of a corrupt monarchy. That’s why he spent his life drowned in whores, wine, throwing lavish tournaments and hunting. He was seeking the disillusionment of his youth. They are the very thing that gets him killed. His whoring around with wenches pushed Cersei to the edge, poisoning him with fortified wine and him dying to a boar.
I think Lyanna was more secondary to Robert's decline, the real issue is that he no longer had a goal or direction, and actually ruling was never of any interest to him. If it was a military matter, then he was up for being king. If it was something mundane but necessary, he'd task somebody else, which is where his political downfall arises, since he wasn't paying attention to anything but lunch and his next bed partner.
@@Manuel1995BEL Robert is too arrogant to bend the knee+ he would've have the support of at least 5 kingdoms due to the "STAB" alliance. However, Dany's dragons+ Dorne+ Dothraki still could win, but it would take a lot of effort. High Garden could rise for Dany, provided she marries Garlan/ Willas. Arrys 'could' deflect if Lysa chooses to, since Jon Arryn is dead.
@liamcarrington7681 dragons were feared by all (sane) people. Robert was already afraid of the dothrakis alone. Adding dragons, unsullied and possible defecting kingdoms would definitely make him bend the knee. He was a bad king but brilliant commander and wouldn't have his armies decimated in a war he already lost.
If Robert was still alive after Book 1, and had heard about Daenarys gathering power, he would've been hiring not only more assassins, but also mercenary armies against her.
Something I appreciate is how self aware Robert was. He knew exactly what his position was, not just as a king or politically, but where he was in the timeline. He knew he would die soon and shit would hit the fan royally soon after, and he knew how the people of the seven kingdoms would react to things. He was a lot smarter than people gave him credit for.
@@TheJazzJackRabbit He was a drunk before he ever became king. It’s one of the reasons Lyanna didn’t love him. Robert was a model warrior, he embodied everything about the profession, both good and bad.
This wasnt King Robert. This was War General Robert. The analysis was incredible and he was spot on; this is exactly what wouldve happened had Viserys' not overplayed his hand
@@billqiu4692still light cavalry like the Dothraki is at a clear disadvantage against disciplined heavy infantry with big shields and spears (like the Lannister Army for example) and a lot of archers supporting them. The battle was won due to Drogon and not the Dothraki, they are one of if not the most overrated army in GoT
@@deusvult6164also the knights of the vale with heavy Armour and horses would crush them so long as they could get close enough to not get plunged in arrows. Knights would win if it came to close combat against dorthraki
Cersei makes fun of and doesn't take seriously King Robert. But she respects the hell out of General Robert Baratheon. For this minute, it's not the King before her, but the great General himself.
Yes, if “Casually” is “Sarcasm”, he was always smart, the thing was after the great war and Lyannas death, life didn’t make sense to him anymore, so nothing matters.
If you notice the only things he ever talks about that make him seem smart. Is War the one thing he was ever really good at. Leading an army. Being a good Commander doesnt make you a good king. Pretty sure Renly said that at somepoint.
Jeez. Never imagined that. If they let those fools win by the skin of their teeth through plot armor, I’ll bet you’re right Robert could’ve devised a plan with the resources he had to win handily. Rather than sending out the blazing sword dummies til they were gone lol
but you see, the fear of that was enough to keep the 7 kingdom together and being aware of how unfit he was for ruling and choosing a capable Hand, those are qualities that made his reign relatively peaceful. People were afraid of him, everybody knew he could gather pretty much everyone in battle. During his reign the only problem he faced was the Grayjoy rebellion which he promptly killed. He was not as bad as literally everyone who followed until the end of the show
@@robertoprestigiacomo253 yeah you're right about that. Those are good points. I also think that after spending so many years with a king like Mad King Aerys, people were also probably literally just exhausted by it all, and ready for peace. When you got a King who is that unhinged and paranoid, and burning people alive, and all of the high Lords and nobles have to walk on egg shells around, it puts the realm under quite a bit of stress. Robert, Ned Stark, Jon Arryn, and Hoster Tully coming in and forcing the Targaryens off the throne, placating Tywin Lannister with a marriage that made her a Queen..which puts his house in a position of power and honor, which is all Tywin cares about. Those things cleared the way for an opportunity for everyone to just relax, and be free of the Mad King's tyranny for the first time in a long time. And people were more than ready for it, and took the opportunity and ran with it.
@@mattjack3983Also, although he was on the path of drinking his days off, in the moments of sobriety and lucidity he was a lot more concerned about ruling properly and the realm stability, he recognized the threat of Vyseris/Daenerys and an army of dothraki in Westeros and tried to prevent it at its start (and it wasn't just out of hate for the Targaryen as his monologue about what an army of dothraki would do and how Westerosi nobles would react shows he has concerns about it), he recognized that Geoffrey wasn't ready to take his place and chose to leave the realm in more capable hands even on his death bed, so in general he cared about the realm, a thing that none of those who followed cared about the slightest.
Sometimes people want a warrior as a ruler to make sure the always win battles. But in some cases, like Robert, those warriors are simply just better at war than at ruling.
@@aliebadati9821 he says what is they make landfall. essos has pretty powerful nevies and viserys may have gained a fleet under his command if he behave smart. dothrakis are not idiots. they know they need to ride wooden horses to pass the sea.
Jon Arryn did most of the mundane stuff for him though, he was a smart ruler and King Bobby was smart for making him hand. If only he had taken precautions for what would come after them. Even without the murders Arryn was way older than Bobby and would have only had left so many years to serve as hand. If his secret plan was always to rope Ned in, they could have prepared him better (like an apprentice hand if you will) as they both would have known how vicious the court is and how naïve Ned can be.
Our purpose died with the Mad King. I always found that line interesting, Robert hates the Targaryens more than anyone. An despite his hatred, he still recognizes that the destruction of House Targaryen has left the Seven Kingdoms deeply fractured.
Its why i think the Usurpation was a bad move. Aegon was a baby and could have become thing. He wouldnt have any reason to hate everyone unless he was taught to like Daenerys was. The war change the power dynamic in Westeros. The Baratheons became more powerful but it was the Lannisters that gained most from it. The Baratheons couldnt handle that many seats of power.
I think you are missing the point. He’s not admiring the Targaryens. The destruction of House Targaryen was the purpose Robert is talking about. When the Mad King was in power, Robert and Ned managed to either form alliances or win over most of the houses in Westeros to defeat the Targaryen’s. Even house Lannister basically let Robert take King’s Landing in spite of Tywin being the hand of the king shortly before that time. Almost all of Westeros was unified by their hatred of the Mad King. Once he died, it was politicking as usual, with most houses just looking for the advantage, especially in the South. A lot of houses would side with Dany if they thought it would get them closer to the Iron Throne, or allow them to seize lands and titles.
Not to mention Robert's supporters backed him in overthrowing the Mad King, but now that the Mad King's dead, everyone's returned to their own schemes.
...no, he's saying that after Aerys II was killed, the Kingdoms had no real reason to stay particularly united behind him. He's not saying the Targaryen's provided Westeros with its purpose.
He's saying you need an enemy to stay united. When Putin dies Europe will have less of a reason to stay strong together like they're doing right now, there would be no more talks of a united eu army and things like that anymore. Unless there's a new bogeyman like China
The Dothraki alone wouldn’t make it very far in Westeros, they’d probably take the crownlands, Riverlands, Reach and stormlands before a proper counter was formed, but their cavalry would never survive the mountainous terrain in the Vale or westerlands, or make it past Moat Cailan into the North
Despite hearing this Cersei did the same later meeting Dothraki in open , thinking they checkmated unsullied but met Dothraki wrath at High Garden only to get decimated!
One leader, one army, that should’ve been the fucking Night King. Half the kingdom should have died from them. Winterfell should have fallen. Cersei should have had no choice but to join. And even then, they should have failed. Until the last minute where Jon Snow, the true heir to the throne, kills the Night King at King’s Landing. Fuck everything we got instead.
The Game of Thrones Rewritten Wiki may be of interest to you. It is a fanmade edit of the final season of the show and what happened for several generations after. It's very well made so far.
I would kill to a series of young Robert and Ned in the rebellion, ideally played by the same actors that would be incredible Edit: goes without saying they're too old, a man can dream
I would love to see a prequel from the rebellion. However Sean Bean and Mark Addy wouldn't work, they're simply too old and CGI deaging them for the whole show would be financially unfeasible. Ned however had a pretty decent younger version of himself in Bran's flashbacks.
This scene shows one thing about Cersei's brilliance: she might despise everyone except her children and Jaime, but she knows how to shut up and listen to others who know what they're talking about.
I just watched another clip where Robert smacked her because she wouldn't stop running her mouth. She tried to be tough and say "I should wear this as a badge of honor" Robert replies "where it however you want but wear it in silence or I'll honor you again"
Can't even remember what she looked like but I know she was the one thing I ever wanted someone took her away from me and the seven kingdoms couldn't fill the holes she left behind
It’s funny that people consider Robert a bad king but he had the longest reign of any king we saw in the series. He led Westeros through 18 years of relative peace. A drunk no doubt, but people forget that he was actually a capable man in some respects.
If Daenerys didnt had her dragons, I still believe that dothrakis, being light cavalry, would actually not be that big of a deal if everyone knew how they fought (which everyone did): a solid spear line several ranks deep with archer and crossbow support, and heavy cavalry guarding the flanks, and there you go. Or was there sonething else I failed to grasp?
If that day came, and robert was tested in the field. God have mercy on dothraki, this guy is a beast himself when it comes to war. He might not be in his prime. But He still got his mind., he had ser barriston, tywin lannister, and a large army.
It would've been so interesting to see whether the threat of the undead could reignite Robert's spirit had he lived long enough until that would be the main danger for the seven kingdoms
He wasnt wrong. This was one of the "speeches" he gives that showed his acting skills, the seriousness of the situation and that he wasnt completely stupid
Even all these years later, this is the single most memorable speech in the series for me. "Which is the bigger number, five or one?" still gives me chills.
1 fist easily crushes 5 fingers. Everyone denied what Robert was saying until a united army pushed back the White Walkers, then was disbanded, allowing for the Dothraki hordes to raze King’s Landing just like he said
This was Robert's greatest moment in the entire song of ice and Fire self-accountability is probably one of the best virtues a person can have and in this moment he shows no arrogance and believing that he could win that fight he shows the skill he had during the rebellion and right after this clip ends he gives that accountability to himself by stating he doesn't have ambition or will to rule or fight all he wants to do is drink
There's no greater weapon than wisdom. Wisdom from hands on experience. Robert didn't get the crown handed to him. He earned it through sacrifice and hardship. He may be a broken man now, but back when he had a purpose he was the best mentally and physically
No, Robert was so severely wounded by his fight with Rhaeger that he had to send Eddard on ahead in his stead. Rhaegar won and Robert hit him when Rhaegar had his back turned like Eddard and Sir Artgur Dayne.
It’s moments like this that shows Robert’s true calling was never to be king. But to be a high ranking soldier for his whole life. When it came to war and battle strategy Robert was boss. He could see five moves ahead of his enemy. It’s where he felt his destiny was. The only time he was truly happy was when he was fighting. When he got the crown and the fighting was over. He just drunk himself and slipped it into any woman he saw. Simply because he was completely empty. He had no desire to play king. He just wanted to fight forever.
Even a seasoned Old Warrior King 🤴 like Robert Baratheon was Shit Scared of the Dothraki - that says a LOT of the Dothraki's prowess where Combat is concerned. Regardless of the Battle of Qohor, a unified regiment(s) of the Dothraki & the Unsullied would scare the Realm shitless to its very core.
Remember, when asked by Daenerys if Viserys could take the 7 kingdoms with a Dothraki army, Jorah said "King Robert could be foolish enough to meet them in open battle". Jorah didn't know how good a general Robert was.
Best line of the show.....Robert I always felt regretted takin the crown because he knew politics was bullshit....The man has the warriors regret, catchin glory and realizin there's nothing after but the memories.
