Which one to buy? Moonlander, Advantage360 or Glove80? Split ergo columnar mechanical keyboards 

Ha, brilliant 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Hope you are enjoying the book too?

Thanks Chris, think it’s the first of those I’ve ever had. Very exciting, I’ll cherish it - best, Ben

That’s the route I’m going. His reviews were pretty informative, and I think I will enjoy the chonkier feel of the 360 over the Glove80.

Love that this actually led me to go for the Glove80, speaks to how even handed and fact based the comparison was

Excellent, let me know how you find it when you’ve had chance to use it for a few weeks 👍

Do you think advantage 2 is good enough for pain relief or I need the advantage 360 for tenting and wider spread between the wells.

Same here, a year ago got the moonlander, I needed more tenting, got the platform accessory 5 weeks ago and it feels like a new keyboard. I backed the dygma defy in kickstarter to get a tenting system built-in but still haven't shipped the product.

I have used the Kinesis Advantage2 and 360 Pro for a while. I recently purchased a Moonlander as a travel keyboard. The build quality is excellent and the size is indeed nice for travel. But I still feel kinda... lost? The key wells on the Advantage always guide your hand to the right positions, but with the Moonlander I always feel like I have to realign my hands again. I also have to float and move my hands a lot more during typing to reach keys (even the outer bounds of the rows above/below the home row). It will probably get better with time. But when I go from the Moonlander to the Advantage again, the Advantage feels like a pair of well-fitting gloves, it is completely natural. I also feel like I have to stretch my thumbs quite a bit more on the Moonlander, reaching the second thumb key feels far more unnatural. If I position my thumb on the first thumb key of the Moonlander and then put my hand on an Advantage, it's on the second thumb key of the Advantage. So it seems like the Moonlander's thumb cluster is about 1U width farther away. I should probably put it in the flat position (putting it up is awkward for my hands), but then I need another tenting mechanism. (Why oh why did they make the thumb cluster the tenting mechanism?)

How did u proof what was broken and that it wasnt ur fault?

I want to know too.

Just put a good trackball between the two splits and profit!

Ha, yes, as you might imagine, I have one on order 😉

@@benfrainuk do you think it's worth waiting for the defy or just buy the moonlander?

@@andriitserkovnyi1740 depends on two things. If you need it now to help your health, get a Moonlander. Two, if you like dedicated arrow keys in line with your home row (I do but it might just be me!) the Defy is unlikely to accommodate that as the extra keys are all in the thumb area. In which case get a Moonlander. But in addition, if you can’t wait, you could get Moonlander now, and a Defy when it comes out, and sell the one you like least!

@Andrii Tserkovnyi I have the Moonlander with the tenting kit and I've backed the Defy, I honestly don't know if I'm going to use the Defy, the material might be better, but my biggest doubt is the configurator. ZSA's isn't perfect, but has improved a lot in the past year, specially how easy is to use their web version with chrome without having to download anything. So even that is plastic I think that the Moonlander is kind of the best option and because of how long it's been in the market, the best in community support. I may change the Defy for a Corne, I'm also looking for more portable split keyboards in the future.

@@routchenko the moonlander's wrist pads aren't that comfortable, are they? Looks like the defy is going to be a more comfy one

Personally I would go Pro. More flexibility and the underlying ZMK software is getting better all the time

@benfrainuk I appreciate the response Ben, thank you. I think after watching all your reviews, I am going to go with the Moonlander. It seems to have a lot of the same benefits while being more straightforward to set up. Plus, best of all, it's €200 cheaper 😅

Of the two wireless models (Glove80 and Advantage360) I have had the Glove switched better and faster. Got a new Advantage360 on the way. Will see if that fairs any better when I have it.

Ha! I understand that, we are so trained to expect a keyboard to look a certain way. Took me ages just to try a split board but that was the gateway drug to everything since!

I did go with the glove80. I can tell you that the way it feels outweigh the looks. I hade the sameish feeling about it at first but this thing makes up for it a few times over. If you're feeling adventurous do give it a try

why does your wife decide what keyboard you use?

@@MyVitros Do you not allow your wife to have opinions?

​@@TheRonHockman she can have opinions, but you didn't buy the keyboard you wanted because of her opinion. If she's also using the keyboard then I guess that makes sense, but if it's just for you that's kind of funny. Anyway I'm sure you guys are happily married and I hope you have many more years to come!

Unless you specifically need fewer keys or MX switches, the Glove wins for me

Mines back at Kinesis being looked at currently for connection issues. Once it comes back I’m really hoping it is improved. I get a LOT of right side not connecting to left.

@@benfrainukhope they get it fixed!

Yes. Ergodox Ez too but don’t think it’s worth mentioning the Defy until it’s available. That will be summer at the earliest.

I just cancelled my order for the Defy. Was really sold on it at first, but the delay keeps increasing by 2 months. Expected in February when I ordered, now they are saying August.

How do you handle to switch to a standard keyboard (on a laptop for example). What about the missing arrow keys for _single_ press or key combos?

@@nickgoogle4525 I rarely use regular keyboard, but it depends on the keyboard, heavily: a MBP is fine, my normal mechanical (cherry mx Brown) Cooler Master keyboard feels like a crap. I'm slower on regular keyboards, mostly. On the model 01 I created a few layers, arrow keys are: palm key + IJKL like WASD. I have no problem with that, because I used to it - muscle memory.

Not in the least. They are totally solid.

You mean low profile switches? As in chocs? If so, correct, you don’t use MX switches with it.

@@benfrainuk Ah yes I meant the low profile switches. Got it. Thanks.

No, but I think if you can work with that many keys (I’d want more) then I think it looks great 👍

If I was sent one I’d definitely take a look and review but don’t think I’ll be buying one myself anytime soon

@ren137c good to know! I like the kinesis advantage 360 pro but now want to try a glove80

Didn’t have enough space in the title but wanted to compare the ‘off the shelf’ options 👍

I have a 3d printer and started editing a version I found on GitHub, had a few out of place faces. Seems a great way to get into split ergo, if you can solder, have a nice Hakko station to use.