Which Primarch Should Come Back Next? And Who SHOULDN'T 

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Sanguinius went from true chad to kinda lame in the Horus Heresy. Adding him back into 40k would suck.@@sarnxero2628

i'd stay away from the End and the Death 😆

Nothing that Ferrus Manus and Konrad Curze can't live with😅

Are we not gonna tell him? .... 😶

Make the sanguinor primarch level, boom fixed

I don't like the Blood Angels and I would prefer Sanguinius to stay dead, It makes the Angels just more interesting

@@cloaker2829 this though... A sanguinor that's basically an Imperial daemon primarch with shards of Sanguinus's personality would be dope

Agreed, the lore would be thrown right out if he comes back!

​@poggestfrog Sanguinnius being born of Mephiston and the Sanguinor making a twisted but powerful machination of Sangy. Not him exactly but something different entirely

and raven guard will be the first chapter with demon units

Yes! And Perturabo and Dorn are required to be a double header as well.

This.

I was talking to a friend about this but with perturabo and rogal dorn

It would be really fun, also, if the release announcement for Lorgar came out without Corvus And then Corvus' release announcement came out like a week later Even his release announcement is stalking Lorgar

This Is True

Valrak is cheering this lol

@@LomhowFor Dorn! For the Emperor!

@@LomhowI wonder how he feels about his primarch being behind Perturabo. Unless he’s secretly a closeted iron warrior.

​@@Prophetofthe8thLegion Iron Within Iron Without

Does it make sense to bring him back? No. But if we see the sales of space marine models dwindle, because all that we see is more primaris with a slightly different weapon, something shiny will have to happen, even if it involves jumping the shark. At that point, they might as well give us Sanguinius riding Big Chompa into battle.

To be fair, none of the primarchs should be back. Not even the daemon ones. The entire setting suffers for it.

@@jorgemontero6384I’m all for bringing him back tbh. It’s 40k and they can use whatever bullshit they wanted. Best primarch imo

Yeah, as a Blood Angels player, whilst part of me of course wants him reborn and would love to see what happens if Sanguinius came back - I think it would ultimately be pretty silly and would ruin the setting. He's too powerful. How could you use him in game and have him 'balanced', only to see him get slaughtered over and over by rolling a 1. What would become of the black rage and death company? Too many silly bits involved. May as well bring big E back and be done with it at that point.

I can see Sanguinnius come back as a shattered ghost, that dies at the end of round three as he cannot hold his form for long.

Vulcan lives!!!

@@KeeperOfSecrets-42069 STOMP STOMP!

I think it would be neat to bring back Fulgrim and Vulkan in the same edition because Vulkan protects civilians and Fulgrim... is Fulgrim. Which would make one hell of a standoff.

Also Fulgrim has a better healing factor than Vulkan too.

@@clockworks5069either that or a nightlord character 🤷‍♂️

Clever

on one hand, i would like for the 2 to return, especially Isha because Eldar need more love... on the other hand, i hope the eldar arent going to be a damsel in distress for the imperium to save, some forget that Isha is a literal GOD that is BILLIONS of years old and has immense power, i dont want her to be reduced to "elf gf" jokes, she's so much more than that.

@@joeblogg2957 Would you prefer an Avatar of Isha (like we have for Khaine). I feel like a God model would be too strong to convert to rules or would do a huge disservice (why I don't like AoS). But an Avatar at least of Isha could be a cool new model rather than just having a revamp.

@@user-ds8rj2vc4v an Avatar of Isha would be so cool, furthermore, with a living god... maybe the eldar don't need to sacrifice the life of one of their kin to summon it. Isha merely needs to select a champion and empower them.

@@joeblogg2957 Or perhaps it'd be summoned from a model that dies - so it's more like rebirth than a sacrifice? I don't know, but I think an Avatar of Isha would be really cool. I saw some people do a Kurnous themed Avatar of Khaine using Durthu from WFB and it looked awesome and actually really fitting.

Fabius Bile managed it, with Horus...and that turned out fin... oh wait...

@@ffejpsycho I mean, he successfully cloned Horus and Fulgrim. It was perfectly fine. Unfortunately the Black Legion and Necrons are not fine. Not at all.

Personally agree he should not be the next. However I don’t think it’d necessarily ruin his sacrifice. You’d just have to make his return equally tragic. What could you do to make him hate the cost of his return? If you answer that, you could probably make it work.

​@@chickenmonger123*cough* maybe with the sacrifices of a certain Dante and Mephiston?

⁠@@chickenmonger123he will be back next 100% , also it makes most sense as the Christ’s second coming

His mini would sell like hotcakes, don't underestimate games workshops greed

@@georgedanielsbizhe 100% isn’t coming back next, and maybe not at all. All blood angel leaks point to an updated sanguinor in the range refresh for 10th. Doubtful we see multiple range updates for BA within 10th. And there’s really no need to bring him back, the sanguinor gives the faction the perfect centerpiece model, and allows customization/character creation in a much better way than just saying “oh the primarch is fighting with my guys today”.

Russ gone a bit Wulfen would round out Bobby G and Lion so the loyalist players aren't getting more of the same.

Lorgar and Corax absolutely should come back together

@@90kalos1 could you imagine the Release Box. Dark Shadows & Spiritual Flames 🤣

@@marcmiddleton2277 I'm here for it

im not a big ravenguard fan but theres just so much potential with corvus as this loyalist warp entity that i hope they bring him back soon

They could give him the Red Scorpions. However Idk how Papa Smurf and the Lion would take his origin.

As cool as that would be, as an EC player I would be pissed to have a fulgrim back that isn't leading my army lol. I'd like to see an EC codex with new noise marines and demon primarch Fulgrim.

@@JM-sp2iu I get that, I’m not even a big EC fan and I’d love to see what gimmick they have for them, and it’d give us another Daemon Primarch model, those are always really good.

That could be a really fun and interesting story. Like the idea that Fulgrim manages to escape his stasis field and triggers a mass shutdown of Trazyn numerous galleries leading to all sorts of trouble. We know he has a full-blown war in heaven era Krork locked up, love to see him escape too and hook up with current orks.

he is no Longer in Stasis according to some of the new Trazyn lore they are apparently ''friends'' due to Fulgrim showing a lot of interest in his museum

But we all know, that GW would happily maul the lore to sell miniatures.

Iom is not in spiral anymore.

Shitty Horus clone already came back and sucked - he needs to stay dead. Clone Fulgrim came back and Fabius Bile chucked him into a Necron museum for eternity….

@@armyvet7070 I'm aware. Those don't count because the Horus clone won't ever see a permanent return, and really only served as a character development device for Abaddon. Horus is dead. Sangy should remain dead. It's a completely different topic for Clonegrim but it's a flex piece for GW if they ever want to go in a wild direction lore wise in the future.

Until GW decides to do a Scooby-Doo reveal. The Sanguinor pops off his mask and the gang goes "OLD MAN SANGUINIUS!" Think about how The Lion was just taking a nap for a long time. Laziest return ever.

I would love to see the Khan come back and maybe let the white scars have a biker captain again.

I think dorn has a fair chance

OR...... Both Demon Fulgrum and the uncorrputed clone of Fulgrum as a Loyalist. That Fabius Bile traded Trazyn for a sizeable amount of uncorrupted Emperor's Children gene seed.

I'm curious what's going to happen with Fulgrim. He just got a resin kit for his ascended form in 30k. Makes me wonder what they have planned for 40k.

The problem with Jaghatai is be brings very little to the table. He's one of the least fleshed-out primarchs and just doesn't have the widespread appeal of others.

Corax has already returned, but noone has noticed!

It’s a connection between animals in real life

@Dr_Doomer yep I could see that!

He never even really left, just went on a quick journey to "Become Loyalist Demon-Primarch, then Fuck Up Lorgar's Shit Again" @@Paerigos

@@Paerigos Wait a second... Is that what those things are when the light shines on stuff??

Definitely agree on the corvus and Lorgar.

If they release them as a combo. They need to make it so you can pose Corvis with Lorgar over his knee. Getting spanked like the petulant child he is.

A double Primarch release would be absolutely insane

Lol I read that as "neurodivergent chapters".

Corvax would be an interesting choice because he's a primarch from a codex compliant chapter but he might be the more divergent primarch in the imperium since he's basically an order demon primarch.

You can't trust wolf priests. They predicted the Wolf Time and the return of Russ like 3 times already, but they keep coming up with new prophecies.

Lore wise that makes sense. Unfortunately GW's decisions are driven by product sales not lore, they are perfectly happy to ignore or drop even well developed story lines and Russ will be the face of the Space Wolves range refresh, whereas Jhagatai wouldn't shift as many models as there are not as many White Scars players and there isn't a range of unique White Scars units.

​@@samhunter1205 There could be more unique white scars units to be fair, so the release of Khan could spark a refreshed range of miniatures in a new way.

@@eldoriath1 there could (as in it is possible), and I wish they would do that, as the White Scars are one of the worst served legions by the current Primaris range (just outriders as bikers isn't great for White Scars chapter identity). But in terms of what GW will do, rather than what we might like to happen, GW will absolutely prioritise the range refresh for the existing chapter specific units before it releases new ones, especially ones for the less supported chapters.

@@samhunter1205 Yeah, and ravenwing does have it much better off in that regard but also feel the lack of mounted options in general. As currently is it feels like white scars are best built using the dark angels chapter with the white scars detachment. You loose out on the few white scars specific characters, but you can just re-flavour the ravenwing ones to work as count as.

but still, it happened in the Warp, so... With all it's crazy Timey-Whimey Shenanigans... Who knows when it was in real space, Ya know?

How would the clone come back though? Escape from Trazyn? That seems unlikely.

@@malcolm_in_the_middle Maybe Demon Fulgrim could attack the gallery and then Trazyn releases Clonegrim to fight him. I think Clonegrim leaving the gallery is not impossible but it needs some sort of special event to happen. At least that's what I think.

Not happening, at least while Trayzn remains all "The Infinite" and everything! ...plus, now he has finagled a shard of the deceiver, as his newest toy/piece of a god!!

@@malcolm_in_the_middle they could always go the boring as hell way, trayzn is willing to trade just about anything for a peice of necronTYR artifacts, and it's specifically necrontyr, so just about as old as old gets in 40k.

​@malcolm_in_the_middle they could say clonegrim got out during the 13th black crusade. When the bell destroyed part of trazyn's collection, it could have let him escape.

To add to this, probably also worth mentioning that the Eldar are hunting for Curze's crown, the Corona Nox, so there's still a loophole for him to come back via soulstone shenanigans if they really wanted to bring him back.

I was about to coment this xd

That’s still lame as hell that Curze got bumped off by an assassin.

@@lonecolamarine Why? He WANTED it to happen. If that gem in his "crown" really is a Soulstone, then he outplayed everyone. He didn't want to live, but he also didn't want to die, only to have his soul become trapped in the Warp ... so he came up with a 3rd option and pretty much told both the Imperium and Chaos to go fcuk themselves! Ingenious if you ask me.

@@Grubnar I didn’t see that part, I guess.

that or make him like the void dragon like some xmen colussus necrodermis man

Oh god that's the coolest fucking idea ever. Yes. Gimme!

That was my original idea for Perterabo. Given that wound wound Fulgrim dealt him being interred in a daemon engine dread would rock. For Ferrus, it was explicitly state that the Emperor and Malcador could have brought him back, given time. If he is brought back, I'd loke to see it done with a fresh clone body that had his actual soul stuff back Into. He wouldn't have his metal hands anymore, as was always his wish. Given that Ferrus would totally revamp the Iron Hands culture, he always hated that they went so deep in cybernetics, it would tie in nicely with the fresh influx of Primaris. You would have a fee holdout firstborn that either won't or can't cross the Rubicon and they would remain cyber marines. The rest become Primaris and become whole again like Ferrus.

Considering there’s no sales to be undercut (those playing Hh that want it get it and 40k only people didn’t) I wouldn’t assume that. My guess is within the edition we see it. It would be very GW to hope that players buy both and I bet they think that.

Selling a 40K guilliman model didn't undercut their sales, that makes zero sense.

@@timunderbakke8756to add to this: that model is impractical as f**k for a real game (I’m stumped at how you move it amongst terrain with those huge wings?), looks like it’ll snap if you even think about it and his rules are so bad in HH that no one would even want to run him. It seems it’s really for painters, and for masochistic modelers who like to fix FW’s bubbles, bent & sagging parts, slippage, and pinning the hell out of every piece. They need something reasonable and plastic to actually use in game.

From my understanding forge world is separate from the main game workshop, they don’t really care all that much about undercutting each other… and with emperors children almost certainly getting their codex this edition there’s no way they’ll ever release them without their primarch.

They could give Rogal the Emperor´s Claw as a replacement for his missing hand.

@@40kVallin pretty sure it got retconned and its not his hand thats missing its just him

Neither please

I think it’s Lemun also, right after Fulgrim

Russ after fulgrim seems likely. I do want the surviving alpha legion primarch though.

Not to mention that we still have to see that Khan vs Fulgrim deathmatch.

He’s probably the least known of the loyalist primarchs (not to mention least popular), so while he fits narratively really well there’s probably a lot of people who don’t realise that or just plain forgot about him… plus with him being as unpopular as he is there’s a real chance GW focuses on the primarchs that‘ll sell better like russ.

Perhaps they will bring the Khan back with a new color scheme for his chapter. Lots of people avoid the White Scars because white is awful to paint.

@@madprophetusSkill issue

​@@madprophetusif only successor chapters existed

For a while, Dorn was confirmed dead as he was slain by Khorne berserkers, and the IF had his full skeleton. It was then changed to just his fist. Apparently the IF are bad at keeping track of their most treasured relic.

I agree. I hope Salamanders get more attention in the future. They are the only Space Marines that interest me.

Tbh from what I have seen the Vulkan fan base isn't around the whole dragon theme, but more around flamethrower friends.

@@baconblock010 why not both? It would take Vulkan to move the chapter to divergent, but if they went that way, the Salamanders could field drakes in combat, which would give them a cool niche (and also allow for melta strafing runs, lol).

@@baconblock010 *Jolly, friendly laughter bellows out, muting the agonizing screams of thousands of burning cultists.* A-Ha-Ha-Ha-Haa!

I think it'd be amazing if Clone Fulgrim actually defeated Daemon Fulgrim... Only to fall to Slaanesh in the process. It'd fulfil Fabius Bile's fears that the clone was just as likely as the original to fall to Chaos, and only really persnickity nerds would be up in arms over it. He could end up like Lucius the Eternal, absorbing the Primarch's soul and having his tortured visage permanently writhing on the bare skin of his chest.

If you mean the King in Yellow, he's all but confirmed as Constantin Valdor

Vect isn't a primarch, but I agree that he should come back. Dark Eldar losing their faction leader is wrong.

@@user-kz9zi7rv9p that would be everything I want and more!

@@Mechagodzilla128 you can’t say Vect isn’t a Primarch when the etymology is just the words Prime and Archon combined, and Vect is the Prime Archon of the Dark Eldar!

@@stevenburton7725 you absolutely CAN say that, because Primarch has a very specific meaning in 40k and it isn't the one you describe.

@@samhunter1205 what, in your opinion, is the only definition of the word Primarch?

The Blood Angels hatred would rival Guts against Griffith. 100000 Vampiric Space Marines screaming "HORUS!"

Clonegrim!

STOMP?

Fortify?

moar liek Vulkan takes one look at the state of the Imperium in the 41st millennium, and immediately activates the Terminus Decree!! haha

Hehe

OK but for real though it'd be sick to see him come back as the leader of the Legion of the Damned.

You forgot the Waka Waka Waka

I would think Lorgar should have more of an ability to shake up the setting than any other. He basically set off the whole HH.

Lorgar is also one of the few Primarchs actually getting stronger with time, as opposed to weaker. He has some pretty good odds of becoming a big bad in the setting with some good writing from GW.

Problem is shit is supposed to hit the fan when Russ returns and brings the Wolftime with him.

Half the legions need a range before the special kids get their range refresh

sad

Your telling me you would love to see at the very least a clone of him come back, not to mention the possibility of him leading the legion of the damned as ghost rider primarch, or just a Frankenstein thing the iron hands put together.

Honestly, just have him come back as some nasty living-metal golem. Those iron hands of his were sorta implied to be leeching into his brain, just have him show up somewhere having slowly regrown his body.

I’ve always wanted to see Ferris to comeback as a dreadnought of some kind considering the strong connection with the Adeptus Mechanicus and Iron hands it could be a cool idea

Honestly would prefer him being a good demon primarch akin to the blood angels one. Like we all know emperor did something with warp entities to create the primarchs so a dead on being something akin to a demon or kaldor is not a bad idea lore wise. Just enough to add him back without upsetting the whole setting like gulimans return

Trick question. You are obviously Alpharius trying to misdirect the masses.

I could definitely see “Alpharious” having a stratagem that allows him to return in place of a Sargent or character.

You bring them back as an auxiliary primarch for the Tau, that's the kind of curve ball the Alpha Legion like to deliver

Could probably just replace a character that is still alive. And give him a separate abilities depending on if he respawn as attached to a squad or not. That way he has a clear limit on how many times he can resurrect, and there is a definite counterplay plan to prevent/reduce the number of his resurrection. Or, if you want it to revolve around dice roll: You start with 2 dice on first round. At the end of the turn, if Alpharius is dead, roll those die, and if you roll one 6, he revives back by sacrificing one model in your army. You also gain more dice each round, so he'll be more likely to revive the longer the game goes. This way, *everyone* in your army can technically 'become' Alpharius, but at the same time, given how often he'll resurrect in this way, I don't think he'll be too strong stat-wise to balance things out.

I'm going to buy that Omegon miniature. It's called "Alpha Legion Saboteur"

Would be funny if he become one of the squats leading figure. Though I still held out some hope that the mentally broken down Rogal Dorn just happened to crash in an isolated remote planet. Lost his memories, married, have a son named Sigismund, had plentiful of time to rest and mentally recover. He recover his memories only when chaos starts attacking and kill his friends and family members.

Don’t think russ and khan got along in the lore… khan was only close to Horus and Magnus, and was treated as an outsider or outright hated/mistrusted by the others. Still would be a cool story line, though if we want a angsty duel to free him it could be cool to go with Magnus, force the two to work together for a time (plus the thousand sons are constantly trying to get into the webway).

@@Swampert919 Fair enough may have been more like tolerance, I thought Russ had been at a point where he actively chose not to antagonize the Khan and otherwise seek a fight which was a character building moment since before he'd have just fought him without a thought but I'm hazy on the details. Still the dynamic would be cool imo regardless of who is actually brought to bear.

I want to see Ferrus comeback as some type of unholy Robocop 2 like monstrosity

@@Dee7nine I think Ferrus as a Primarch Dreadnought and Perturabo as a Daemon Machine would be a nice mirror.

Vulkan is the Primarch that everyone loves but is barely anyone's first pick. The best man to their favourite legions' groom. I used to lean towards Imperial Fists but after learning more and more about the Salamanders they've swapped first and second positions now. Dorn (and Guilliman, but he's already here) is the primarch we need, Vulkan is the primarch we deserve. Vulkan lives! **stomp stomp**

I am a Space Wolves player and I would love that twist. Imagine Lemon comes back looking mutated by the Warp, becoming more Wulfen like. Big Berserker energy. That would be crazy and I personally think 40k could use a cool shakeup like that.

I dig it. Of those I’d say Corvus is most likely to abhor the Imperium as it stands and go renegade. Would be siiiiick if he could summon shadow daemons to control (new units for renegade RG to play with), and if they had the brass pair to really make him go Chaos, he’d be best buds with Be’lakor because shadow entities, fuck yeah.

I think it would be awesome 😎👍

I'm planning out a renegade RG chapter as my next project. I approve 👍

@@Backstabmacro Making Corvus go completely Chaos is total bs! Why would he suddendly work together with the entities who machinated the wholesale slaughter of his beloved sons? It broke him and he set out to take bloody vengence! Making him turn would be a betrayal to his lore and character!

The clone story line is over. The clone was given to Trazyn as a final way to get him out of the setting. He was never mentioned anywhere else since, not in any Fabius Bile book, not in any codex including the recently released Necron codex and the author of the Clonegrim story left GW years ago

Never underestimate the power of Sanguinis fanboys. They go through some serious mental gymnastics to justify bringing him back

​@@gavinziozios1431hey, not all fans of his want him back. I don't. As much as I love him, it's just a fluff disaster.

No affiliation with EC here, but I love this idea so my Tzeentchy stuff can just come in the same rules as Thousand Sons. I also hope this would allow the new detachments to offer extra rules support based on the monogod book. It wouldn’t be hard to say “if your army is , you may only do 25% points without that keyword within this book” Maybe toss the old collectors a bone with a separate detachment that’s daemons only but can soup them up, leave rules in each book for it.

You'd still need a chaos undivided codex but yeah it'd be nice. But it makes sense so GW will probably never do it.

Horus had his skull as a tchotchke. There's no brain to put in a jar, sadly. I don't really buy the Legion of the Damned argument (the Emperor summoning up an illusion of Ferrus doesn't really suggest Ferrus himself coming back), so I don't think there's a real way they could bring him back.

He ain’t coming back. But I’ll happily be just as dumb in wanting it.

This is kinda cool 😂 Peter Turbo could surely plug into one too right

You have not read new books and arks of omen? Yea ? Ahaha

@@BloodyArchangelus No. There's like a million books ahead of that I haven't read

I just hate this mindset as for one you know for a fact gw is not gonna miss out on making as much money out of all the primarchs returning but the imperium has really never been this bleak underdog ever. Like idk what or why people think this they are the 4th most populous faction and only behind chaos which too busy with itself, tyranids which not even all arrived yet, and orks which killing each other. Eldar are basically dead race because gw loves screwing them over, tau are tau they never been a big empire though would be cool see them actually focus auxiliary models. Necrons while dangerous way to limited in numbers. Making imperial forces big bad guy with multiple primarch returns is fine so long they actually give love to everyone else. It’s very easy too. Just make the tau get more auxiliary random xenos and more human tau lore love, give necrons anything like one tomb world is holding titans and silent king full sends making multi system super empire of defense and drones. Orks are orks just make gaz a Demi krork making gork and mork more motivated just making orks even more what they already are. Eldar just literally anything. Give harlequins love, they are so fucken cool, give exodites love so interesting, have a super world ship running back inside the Milky Way as another hive fleet chases it giving eldar more population. Have eldar actually be smart and devastate slaanesh just enough so they get another god or two depending if Russ gets isha or whatever. Like everything will be just the same and just as fine with story progression. It’s still just as grimdark but more in many different ways with just more power being thrown making it even more bleak as normal person in galaxy of hell. Want anything that isn’t just exactly same nothingness with not progression. And progression doesn’t mean not grim dark if anything this gives even more grim dark as idk what is more depressing than the fact that no matter how many times things “improve”, how much you get stronger, how much forces push and defend, gods arrive to help, no matter what tactics or critical blows it will never ever stop this endless war of genocidal uncaring and evil forces at each others throats.

@@Wolfbroa GW likes everyone struggling in their story. This has never changed. How is the Imperium supposed to struggle when every Primarch returns? Imperium held off Chaos with no Primarchs from 30k-40k. Give them Primarchs, and suddenly all Xenos threats outside of Necrons are a joke. We already saw in 30k Imperium casually beat Orks into submission. Everyone else was hiding from Imperium. What's the equalizer? Imperium stomps everything if they get all their loyalists back. Guilliman + Imperium has driven back Abaddon, Angron, Mortarian, and Magnus multiple times. Now you got Lion coming to help. Perturabo is the only competent Chaos guy that has outplayed his loyalists counterparts, and GW only wants to focus on the 4 Chaos gods personal Primarchs. Imperium survives against these fools and everything else against them without Primarchs. With Primarchs they start winning.

I know it's not going to happen but my dream is to have white scars and eldar teaming up to protect the webway from vashtorr

Yeah, but I want a rule that on a roll it turns out that I'm actually Alpharius