Which Sayings of Jesus Are Authentic? 

I am a PhD scholar in my own field, with 40 years of research experience. But my knowledge in my own field is as nothing within my field as John's is within his. Hats off!

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This is EXCELLENT! I "was" Catholic ... until I started studying... How shocking it was to learn all that we are NOT told.

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I think a great example of a problem verse to think about whether Jesus said things, HAS GOT to be, Gospel of John 17. Understand what that is. Its a long and beautiful and powerful prayer that Jesus talked to god, and in that passage, there were no witnesses clearly shown. So, unless you believe in very specific Holy Spirit guidance t the writer "John", you must conclude that there is no way anyone could know for sure what Jesus was praying or saying. Examine John, chapter 17, Gospel.

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Hi. I am greek. Let me confirm the word petra means stone. It refers to the fact peter is one of the stones of the 12 stones mentioned in revelation. Stones are being built up. Peter is only one stone/ disciple of the foundation stones of the faith of the WAY the main command to love. Taking the building of the temple literally is a mistake. Believers are being built up spiritual consciousness makes one rich mentally strong. The weak consciousness makes one materially rich

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Fantastic. It seems that the most authentic sayings are rather trivial, being honored in your hometown, care for the poor, while the important sayings, the establishment of a church, christology. The road to salvation are the most troubling.

I'd heard that 'Q' is called 'Q' because it comes from German scholars, and 'Quelle' is German for source.. maybe I heard that from you John?

Hi, I could not assist while you were on line as it was 1-2 o'clock. Nonetheless I did the following morning. One more thing, I am not from Austria rather from Italy. I live in the countryside and I use an Austrian 4G provider. Great teaching in understanding the Bible . Thank you very much

shouldnt historical jesus be a wee bit darker?

Why is, "Which Jesus are we talking about?", such a non-issue question?????

I'm wondering and hopefully there is a video with the differences between historical Jesus and the religious figure of Jesus

Glad you popped up on my RU-vid. Can you color code the books with the percentage or likelihood of origin with a key? So Matthew for example has unique writing and book of Q

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How can we even know?

"Hey, everybody, where's the wine?" "He" truly said this😜

Thanks for these.

Missed it. Gosh darn it. Darn it to Heck and back. Well thanks for posting anywho

very interesting your point history/theology...I submit to you that the ground question we should start with is: how to know that history of humanity is TRUE knowing that it is written by people that all have different perception of things according to their belief system ? any eye witness even today depends on how good is his perception/expression/integrity/belief system...that is why we look for other witnesses to make the matter MORE close to the truth

*Book of Mark and Paul* Mark in <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="61">1:1</a> is titled “The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ.” _Some manuscripts add “… the Son of God.”_ That most likely refers to Paul’s word -gospel. Mark is apparently saying that he is writing a prequel to Paul’s claims. So when the young man says Jesus is going to Galilee to meet the disciples, that would tie in to Paul’s claims of Peter, etc, seeing Jesus

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Question! I always wondered if Jesus' hometown rejection was maybe included/preserved in the gospels as a jab at Jesus' family and possibly James' church in Jerusalem? I do think the sentiment "no prophet is without honor except in his hometown" is authentic, but it would be interesting to know how the framing of the story came together.

Great work

Enjoyable!

Concerning the painting of Christ Pantocrator from Saint Catherine's Monastery, who did the mirroring? and who decided which half was the divine and human forms?

Anybody else feel a lack of fluidity to this lecture?

Super bummer I missed it Live. I was on notification too. Argh.

Love all your videos!

brilliant stuff

Is there a gospel supposedly written by Jesus Christ? I’d be really interested in that

Another excellent lecture. Thank you!

John Ludwig Hamer? Chess grandmaster from Norway? Has anybody ever seen these two together in a room at the same time?😮

I was always taught in my Protestant evangelical church that “rock” meant foundation of knowledge but not in reference to Peter and was wondering if there would be a way to know the difference

"Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seem to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise. . . ." 1Cor <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="198">3:18</a>,19

Thank you for a great lecture. I think it is difficult to say with certain to make positive claims of what Jesus said. It is easier to say what he did not say . For example, any Greek wordplay statements such as John <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="196">3:16</a>, Jesus would not have said. Anything on the cross, Would not have been from Jesus. What I find interesting is Mark’s account of Jesus’ last words on the cross. When Jesus is last words quoting Psalm 22 in Aramaic, the surrounding people say Jesus is calling out to Elijah. So, the people were close enough to hear something, but enough to misunderstand what they were hearing. It could be that Jesus was calling out to God, but no one could actually hear what he was saying. Therefore, in order to make it conform to Scripture, Mark put Psalm 22 on Jesus’ lips.

The stoning of the adulterous woman was lacking in the laws demand that both the man and woman were to be stoned . Was it a pharisee that was omitted from punishment in that case ?

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John, I was going to post this on the Kirkland video. However I can no longer find it. I know you get a lot of messages etc. I want to say! Thank you for what you do... I was baptized Baptist, my father was Seventh Day Adventist, and attended an Episcopal Church for much of my teenage years .. I am a US Army vet of 3 tours to Iraq and 1 to Haiti. I have enjoyed your lectures because it has drawn me closer to my faith when I have struggled to see any reason. Thank youl!

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="73">1:13</a>:35 what is the word for church? What did it mean, when there was no church while Jesus was alive?

Whats with the hand gesture the painter gave Jesus at around <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="300">5:00</a> minutes in to the video? Im pretty sure ive seen many religious figures painted making that gesture

one thing I would find helpful, is just how many believers or Christians were there, by the end of 90 AD? was it a popular cult, or was it just a belief that wasn't strengthened yet by those in Roman power or the Church? Was Mithraism more popular than Christianity UNTIL 320 Ad? if the truth and miracles of Jesus were real, shouldn't there be a LOT of Jesus followers by 90 AD?

How can there be any?

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I thought the breaking of bread was like saying sharing a meal and that it means to remember Jesus and his sacrifice when you break bread or drink wine, which everyone did. Also bread is symbolic isnt it?

Really like including a bibliography at the end, thanks! Great lecture

"Which Sayings of Jesus Are Authentic?" _This_ should be an interesting lecture.

Good lecture. However, it could be shorter and less jumping from topic to topic. In the end it's hard to understand what point lecturer is making.

Is this the first lecture with ad breaks? They are so... jarring in comparison to the talk.

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Jesus said, “Amen, I say to you, unless you turn and become like children, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven.” There is a lot of wisdom in these words. Also in Mathew 18 says: "Then he said, 'In truth I tell you, unless you change and become like little children you will never enter the kingdom of Heaven. .."

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The idea that the story must be true if embarrassing is tenuous at best. I have heard some claim that the women seeing Jesus rise from the grave must be true because such a macho culture would never accept claims from women. This fails when you remember that this episode ties to the cult of dionysus who had women see dionysus raise from the dead.

I guess you are Seeking Him for that is a good thing. Seek Ask Knock but all the doubt is like a black cloud over you and worse you profess these doubts to an audience. Mtt <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="756">12:36</a> , 2 Pt <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="121">2:1</a> Mtt <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="633">10:33</a> I am praying your eyes will open in the Name of Christ Jesus. Jn <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1037">17:17</a> God bless

Literacy @ c. <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="105">1:45</a>:00 - very interesting

short answer: 2 Tim <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="196">3:16</a> All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; 17 so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work. and Jn <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1037">17:17</a> Sanctify them by the truth; your word is truth. More so: 1 Co <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="199">3:19</a> , Pro <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="185">3:5</a>-6 ok God bless!

the Gospels as literature which is literature as Art. So the "paintings' or gospel literature is Theological, not historicity. NOW THAT makes a lot more sense and would have helped Christianity grow into something benevolent and good. B UT IT DIDN'T. It was hijacked by Puritans, charismatics and some small sects of PRotestants.

Love that you are convinced there is an independent witness at the core of the Gospel of Thomas. I do too. These are more esoteric sayings Jesus shared only with more spiritually advanced disciples - oral mystical tradition that had not meant to be written down. They are the meat teachings that even Paul referred to; unfortunately today most people only ever receive the milk teachings for the "babes in Christ". Nondualism or a consciousness of oneness, where separation from God and everyone/everything is the illusion or the lie, is at the heart of the teachings in the GoT - and discovering who one truly is as a child of God. And this is hard for many people to understand who are still in a dualistic good/evil and judging perception or mindset. The Kingdom is within you! Thank you, John and Centre Place!

Heck yeah brother

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1331">22:11</a> I disagree. I do not think Paul was passing along a tradition. He wrote he received his new ritual directly from Jesus. I think he made it up in an attempt to create new rituals for his new gentile Christians. In other places, Paul says when he gets traditions from others. The lord’s supper was not one of them.

Many of the sayings of Jesus are very similar to those found in the Dead Sea scrolls, so most probably like John the Baptist, Jesus was influenced by the Essenes. They also often rephrase passages from what is now the Old Testament (or the Hebrew Bible, the Tanahk). BTW, the brother of Jesus, James the Just, the leader of the first Christians in Jerusalem after Jesus's death wasn't "executed" but was martyred -- the Sanhedrin pushed him off the Temple Mount & then finished of the severely injured man by stoning him.

I find it rather supercilious that these people can think what and what is not authentic in Jesus’ sayings

"like and subscribe" he finally caved in. On one hand this channel would be bigger if he caved in sooner. On the other it wouldn't be as cool if it was more popular.

ref. to <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="2344">39:04</a> - Yes, to the third and no, to the fourth bullet point. Embarrassment, and Consistency. To Christian Understanding, answer unknown. to Multiple attestation, no. These are my opinions. My life experience and learning makes me say these things.

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I wish I had been able to ask this during the lecture: In Matthew there is the passage John Hamer quotes about "Till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass away from the law, " but in the gospel of Matthew itself, there are many examples of Jesus and his followers breaking the old laws. The break the Sabbath (Matt 12), Jesus touches a leper to heal him (Matt 18), or follow food taboos (Matt <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="911">15:11</a>)he does not preach to "honour the mother and thy father" (Matt <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="501">8:21</a>, <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="768">12:48</a>, <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="635">10:35</a>) Jesus wont even let a follower bury his own father! And that isnt even all of the examples, JUST in the Gospel of Matthew, where Jesus is definitely NOT following every iota of the old law. So would it be more likely that not only is Matt <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="317">5:17</a>-18 probably not an authentic saying of Jesus, nut that it is also most likely not even originally a part of the Gospel of Matthew, but rather a later redaction by an editor?

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Good presentation but your section on apocalyptic sayings is rather muddled. You acknowledge that apocalyptic thinking was big in Jesus' time, but then dismiss apocalyptic sayings in Mark as anachronistic. Yes, some of Mark's specific references appear anachronistic and in the context of the fallout from the crushing of Jewish revolt in 66ce. But this does not mean many of Jesus' other apocalyptic sayings are not historical, in fact it's very likely they did go back to Jesus.

That's easy; if authentic is taken to mean - authoritative, authorised, verified = authenticated, - then the texts received, accepted and handed on in the traditions of the Catholic Church are the 'authentic' voice of the Word made flesh, He who spoke with divine authority (regardless of the language in which men recorded that teaching). The Syriac texts, aka a formalised written Aramaic, like the Coptic versions, are later translations or transliterations of the Greek forms; for even in Christ's lifetime Greek was the written form for literature intended to be read widely .. as was the semi-official Latin, later French, and now English - i.e. the 'holy' languages used on Christ's gibbet = Hebrew, Greek and Latin (these were not the spoken language of the people). Thus the various formats of the Good News and Christian Testament and its Preaching would 'originally' have been spoken in the speaker's own tongue but also formed into a language better known locally - cf Simon Peter (the Rock's choice of rock) with his simple tradesman Galilean Aramaic (quite unlike the refined, if inelegantly expressed, Hellenistic Rabbinical Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek of Saul called Paul). But the 'genuine' form - as finally set down on paper - was naturally that of the then common tradesman kinds of dispersed Greek (with Latinisations where needed), usually relying on the Alexandrian Greek translations and transliterations of the earlier Hebrew and Aramaic and Greek texts accepted as 'all scripture' aka the Septuagint versions. Note that, the 'original', 'genuine' and 'authentic' are not synonyms though these apply - differently - to the same texts; the authentic forms of the genuine texts of the original words were those customarily (then traditionally) used in Christian liturgies, as in the Catholic Eucharistic Sacrifice, etc; so reimposing a transliteration or translation of a Latin(-ised) Greek form of an Aramaic term turned back into a written Aramaic format does not give one the authentic, genuine or indeed the original form used .. only an extra layer of post-mortem interpretation; knowing the meanings (there are usually more than one) of the terms in English, Latin, Greek and Aramaic / Hebrew can add to our understanding .. yet not replace the text actually received, accepted and handed on as 'all scripture' - which is, in and of itself, inspired or god-breathed or gifted (not just an accidental record of the spoken words). Keep the Faith; tell the truth, shame the devil, and let the demons shriek. God bless. ;o) P.S. If you find the above difficult to follow just try wading through the stuff today's biblical text scholars wade through, invent or publish.

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="3240">54:00</a> I don't see this argument as valid. They were beggars: can't trust their stories.

I truly think that if Yeshua Ben Pantera met Paul, and listened to what Paul said about him, Yeshua would have asked, "Who the hell are you talking about? Certainly NOT me!"

which sayings of Jesus are authentic..as no one was note taking, none can be regarded as his actual words..just like the words of King Lear in a Shakespeare play...amen

The sayings that people try to ignore are the most authentic. Easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle..., love thy neighbor..., forgive others as you would have others..., think not of tomorrow..., turn the other cheek, no praying in public...,

Thanks for this. Feedback: Is there any way this lecture could be set out in a simpler and clearer way? Maybe I am lacking in intellect but I found it hard to understand. What I got from it after listening for about 20 minutes is that … actually I don’t even know. Would it be possible to have a simple overview of the main purpose and points of the lecture at the beginning so that it is more accessible to non-experts?

its all very nice to make prophecies to any people. but when the prophecy has to be fulfilled many centuries later, how does that help at all the people who were initially preached to or prophesized to in the first place? If a prophecy is not quickly proven, its phoney and if you wait long enough, many events can seem to fulfill a prophecy, especially if you have some one TELL you, that the prophecy is fulfilled, with any proof.

Why all this discussions on hiw Jesus really looks like? If you ask a child to draw their parent, be rest assured they will. Just because you think the drawing does not resemble the parent , that does not change the fact that it is really a drawing if the child's parent.. no wonder Jesus said " Blessed are those who believe yet have not seen.." Wah! worldlings interrogate everything. Many "Thomas's " for they seek signs and wonders amongst many otther things. Lord have mercy. Amen

Why not? He did seal with his own blood his law. You know his law that you give the one to others in two of you. If not break the law of Jesus anyone cannot enter to the kingdom of God. The story of the guy that break the hard law of Jesus is the servent of God in Isaiah 42 and 53

According to God a true prophet would have to teach His Covenant words given at Mount Sinai - which can be observed via the teachings of Jesus in Matthew's Sermon on the Mount - are - if we first understand Matthew was altered by Rome. Bathe the text in the Covnant Standards and words of God - and then you will be able to see where Rome altered it and realize he was restoring what Judaism also altered 1000 years before him. Onediscipletoanother as an organization has a link for the Hebrew Matthew and exposes the real truth about this fact - anyone should be able to see it.

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Peter, I can see your house from up here.

If one were to apply this man's historical methodlogy more generally, one could discount the historical veracity of almost anything anyone said or did over a generation ago.

It would be helpful if there were not so many words, thoughts, participle clauses, phrases, that precede conjunctions and prepositions instead of following them. Breathing. Taking a pause, a breath, a moment to allow for thinking, would be very helpful. Spacing words in clumps instead of breathless spewing, interrupted by bursts of giggles, would also help clarity as you dismantle and disseminate structures of Faith. Please consider a speech coach.

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<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="720">12:00</a> this image of jesus is not marketable..the young handsome surfer type image often presented appeals to far more people..amen

which are authentic saying's of jesus ? none can me considered authentic without embellishment or just not his sayings at all .No one was taking notes. The write up was done between 30 and 90 years later..plenty of time to manipulate the stories to fit a well defined story line..amen

In Matthew 12 Jesus defined what he called "the Sign of Jonah" by way of a prophecy that his burial would be for a duration of less than 72 hours. 20th century studies of his burial shroud have confirmed that his body was removed from that shroud in less than 48 hours after his death. Therefore, Jesus prophecy of a short term burial is validated, which indicates that he actually must have spoken those words. "For just as the prophet Jonah remained in the belly of the great fish for three days and three nights, so will the Son of Man be in the heart of the earth for three days and three nights." See: The Image on the Turin Shroud Is "The Sign of Jonah" For Our Generation!, by Rev. Larry Stalley, 2020 and: The Enigma of the Sign of Jonah, BSTS Shroud Newletter, Issue No. 97, Summer 2023

Looking for the things said by historical Jesus is like trying to find what historical Dracula said in Bram Stoker's book.

The damn picture isn't even authentic