Soldier of Godrick is so powerful that he felt sorry for the tarnished, not even reaching his second phase. And from what is known to date, it can go on to his 67th phase.
When you think about it, Gael fought until the end of the world killing and eating Humans to reassemble the dark soul, and he didnt even realise he succeeded because no one was strong enough to make him bleed. And you beat him. Thats impressive as hell.
Say what you will, the tarnished has at least 3-4 different marriage partners depending on the quest lines you follow. Dude got bitches in the Lands Between
True, but towards the middle and end of Elden Ring, the Tarnished fights and beats beings that are empowered by/vessels of Outer gods that embody entire concepts on a metaphysical tier of power while much much weaker beings can do feats like casually hold the stars and constellations in place. So it checks out for both physical and metaphysical power feats and statements
@@jocoolshow Good point tho. Tbh I'm not 100% sure abt who is stronger. They are prob tied in almost every aspect. I just prefer the idea of beating like, 4th dimensional beings and stuff lol
@@jocoolshowYeah, but the Tarnished is a lost (or neglected) son of Marika. The Hunter is just a normal dude from another city that travelled to Yharnam to get a cure for his sickness. And he just beat everything, huge beasts to eldritch gods while only being a human AND ascends to godhood. He did what other lost their sanity to achieve.
@@frosty4059 Tarnished aren’t descendants of Marika or anything special like that, they’re people born into the Golden Order who lost their grace. And the Tarnished starts out so weak that (no memes) a random foot soldier (Soldier of Godrick) is considered a boss, and ascends to the level of wiping out the Demigods, Elden Lords, and physical manifestations of Outer gods which I would say matches up to Great Ones pretty well
@@Dimi_Ste Its great ones as higher dimensional beings from higher planes of existence in Bloodborne vs outer gods and embodiments of concepts in Elden Ring
If we are talking lore wise hunter and Tarnished is the 2 strongest. And the fact that hunter killed gods and gods of the universes in one night is still wild asf to me
@@shakon1618The night is considered to be felt long by those involved in the hunt but as far as I’m aware, they just say this as a way to show how terrible the experience of the hunt is.
You made me remember that wolf got his arm cut off, then the next day killed a god, the guy who cut his arm (twice), his father, and the strongest warrior of the land, all in one day
lore accurately sekiro is weak, gameplay-wise he's the second strongest at least, none of the others got anything on the deflects (hes, he can deflect flames and lasers) except maybe elden ring protag with how poorly sekiro handles ganks lol
The main thing keeping lore-accurate sekiro down is that this world doesnt really have an ever growing source of power like the soul. The dragon blood is neat, but even with the immortality it provides, wolf remains limited by the boundaries of his humanity.
And he can also level up and learn technics and skills like other protagonists too. Weird how he said Sekiro is strongest at base strength. He is really the strongest.
Tarnished wins because Elden rings cosmology is higher than anything else. 1. Queen marika literally had eternal life - Something Lord Gwynn was desperate for. 2. Golden order permanently confined the concept of death with 0 drawbacks. True immortality Unlike dragon rot . 3. Cosmic gravity spells of tarnished & astels meteorite spells that destroyed entire civilisation. 4. You literally can't hurt Radagon until you get destined death out. 5. Dragon lord placidusax : exists beyond time.
Lmao these fucking assholes don't even know how the cosmology of each game works and how many casuals here are saying a bunch of stupid things. Objectively speaking the hunter destroys all the other souls protagonist combined, including sekiro which isn't not a souls game.
Remember the golden order was not perfect, there were loopholes like destined death which you point out in the next defense and a wolf has a blade that can deal with immortality so the tarnished is not special and strength builds are cringe in recent souls' games where poise sucks more. ~This post was made by the Dex squad.
In the end of Bloodborne you can ascend and become an eldritch god beyond the comprehension of a mortal mind. I don’t know if it get more powerful than ascending to become something so powerful and beyond regular people that we literally do not have the capability to understand what we are looking at.
Yeah lore wise Tarnished is the strongest, very easly. All the ones saying Wolf that first spot, either have not red the damm title, or just don't know that gameplay is not canon
Hypothetically if all of the protagonists were to fight eachother since all of them are essentially immortal including sekiro as proven in the Genochiro fight then Sekiro would win eventually because he can use the mortal blade which can kill immortal beings. Based on feats he’s still probably the weakest tho. Edit: the tarnished can also use destined death so they would still be the strongest in this scenario
@@sko6075 Tarnished can understand and see the Primal current magic and absorb the Frenzied Flame ,wich like Great Ones, exist on higher planes and make your mind go insane
Exactly, Wolf is, by far, the most overrated Souls protagonist, his feats and Lore of its world fall far below those of Bloodborne, Dark Souls and Elden Ring
@@valeriomastroeni8454 Uh, wtf are you on about? Godrick is at his all time highest, compared to the shrivelled man who couldn't even wield a sword Godrick is in his prime. Rykard has devoured countless champions and has become one with the Serpent, if Snake!Rykard fought his past self then Snake!Rykard wins. Malenia becomes a literal Goddess like Marika in her 2nd phase. Godfrey was sent to the Badlands to grow strong in the face of death. Although we don't know if Godfrey got stronger, there's nothing that states he grew weaker either. Mohg is blessed and backed by an Outer God, compared to his past self when he was just an Omen with rags in the Sewers he is at his all-time highest. Morgott literally removes all the limitations he had during his boss-fight and goes full-power to kill us. He is in his Prime. There's nothing that states Astel is weaker aswell. And the Tarnished also becomes a God when he becomes Elden Lord aswell, so the fuck are you on about? The only bosses in Elden Ring that are past their primes are the Fire Giant, Rennala, Radagon, Elden Beast, Placidusax, Radahn, and maybe Fortissax.
@@someguyontheinternet2684half the bosses in this game were weakened and yes that includes malenia and Godfrey. Godfrey obviously is an old man when we fight him so it’s obvious he’s past his prime and malenia is half eaten by her own curse she could have been stronger in her goddess form if her own rott didn’t defeat her. I don’t disagree on you with the other once tho but it’s still a tie until I know how strong the elden beast ist compared to the gods of the bloodborne universe. I mean the hunter does become a god so I don’t really know how high that places him since idk much about the bloodborne universe yet. I just wanted to point out that both of you are right not all the Demi gods were weakened but a lot were including Godfrey who like I said is an old dude when we fight him. His skin resembles that of an grandpa as well and everything kinda went to hell the moment he left and even during the prime of the other Demi gods they never took his spot as an elden lord so I’d assume he places extremely high if not highest out of them all in his prime and since we know Marika and Godfrey had some secrete plan as the game files suggest maybe Marika was waiting for him to return to defeat a now weakened elden beast. Also Marika didn’t sent him willingly, he lost his grace so he had to go. Trust me I was there personally
Hunter killed atleast 3 9th Dimensional Beings, fought atleast 7, and seen horrors beyond human comprehension. I think that's between him and Sekiro, since that guy is just able to deflect everything with a pulse, that also killed atleast 3 or 4 immortal beings in a World that is theorethically Mortal by default.
Sekiro isn’t winning. He is immortal and can kill immortals but Sekiro in general scales lower than the other games. His stats just aren’t as high so he probably gets speed blitzed and one shot by the Tarnished using destined death. I’m not sure how the Hunter would kill Wolf, but the Hunter definitely outstats him.
thats just miyazaki trying to make a boss hard its like how tarnished cant defeat 2 dlc normal npcs but can defeat MALENIA. If we talk about lore both sekiro and tarnished wipes everyone in their series
Most people would follow the same path and point the tarnish one as the strongest one, based on the powerful enemies that he slains. But...the tarnished one slains demi gods...like semi gods. The hunter slains great ones...like real gods. Mergo, Orphan of Kos and Moon presence are gods (This last one is hugely powerful. Created a entire reality to us, the hunter dream). . In ER ending we became Elden Lord, like a demi god too. But in BB ending (One of the endings) we became a great one, a god that substitutes the moon presence. The distance of power between a great one and a demigod is huge. The great ones can exists in different dimensions, such as the physical reality and the dream/mental state dimension (Not necessarily simultaneously. So they can die on the physical reality and still existing in other dimensions). And they can bring and arrest anyone they want in those dreams (Scary stuff). You dont see nothing close to that in Elden Ring (Goldwyn is stuck on his own dream and, so far, there is no evidence of him controlling it or influencing things from that in such scale). Even the body parts and blood of the great ones makes people ascend and transform. You dont see Radahhn and Radagon blood making this kind of effect. If one day the outer gods reveal themselves to us and we manage to kill those i would put the tarnished one as the top one. Until that, no one is even close to the BB hunter...the hunter of real gods that became a god.
The hunter became a god sure but it was basically an infant that needs guidance first and that's why he needs the Doll to take care of it until it becomes a mature Great One. As for the Tarnished, the game ended at the peak of his power in all of the endings
Its the hunter gameplay and lore wise tanking hits from a 9th dimensional being puts him above the rest of them even with elden ring assuming somehow elden beasts scales higher but its mostly assumptions ive seen. The hunter>>
@user-uk6tt6gy6he got teleported to a place outside of time using an item, he cant actually time travel. Hunter on the other hand, defeated an old god(which could be just as powerful as an outer god). Then absorbed its power to BECOME the old one himself so he became the god of his own universe, ripping apart the fabric of time itself. All while the tarnished used the win over elden beast just so he can sit on a throne (very lame) Frenzy flame ending makes tarnished more powerful because he just burns down the whole world
Indeed the hunter is the strongest lore wise but here are too many casuals since elden ring is their first souls game. The only being in elden ring that we could consider really powerful lore wise, elden beast, it's nothing but a simple random enemy in the world of bloodborne tho is just the facts. At best it could be a really small god but it gets obliterated by the ridiculous scale of power in the world of bloodborne, the great ones, beast and many others beings are just way too broken for all the other souls games.
@@eliasfigarzon9813 even if the hunter has super natural abilities(which he/she does) he still uses mortal weapons, anything that can be killed with a regular hammer is not that powerful, while in elden ring lorewise you need to get the very concept of death or a dragon scale from beyond time to kill a god. also, the elden ring and by extension the greater will dictates the rules of the world, if its written in the elden ring that the sky is green, then its green. The Brain of Mensis(a true great one btw) was used as a big guard dog for the School of Mensis and Radahn at his prime literally stopped the stars from moving and i don't recall any great one falling from the sky like a meteorite. im not saying the Great Ones are not powerful but they seems to have effects on certain areas(yharnam) rather then the entire world. i will admit as far as power levels go, great ones can create pocket dimensions, something i don't think anyone in elden ring has done so far.
@@shini1908 oh and once again shut your fucking mouth if you don't know what you are talking about. I'm tired of writing the same thing for every asshole new souls fan here just because you can't investigate by your own and are being led by the guy who made this video who is another elden fucking ring newcomer
Trick question, Doesn't matter how many times you kill them, These mad lads are stuck in an endless cycle of learning each other's moves, Killing each other, And have the same happen. And being way too stubborn and stupid to quit.
@@diegopimentel5137 The various gameplays I've seen and the sheer anxiousness radiating off of them with a potency that even a blind quadriplegic Donkey could see and touch says otherwise. The fights themselves have no canon, Just that you beat them with either using your head as head brick to be shot out of a canon and getting the wall in one, Or slow torturous submission of the wall.
@@user-so6ps4pb6y i am gonna say something surprising for you but GAMEPLAY and LORE most of the time don’t match like kratos struggling to lift a door in gameplay but throwing big rocks on cinematics and yeah canonically tarnished’s lasts fights were first try. What do you do when you defeat maliketh? Yes, you unleash the rune of death bringing back destined death to the lands between so anyone that dies would die for real and forever including tarnished
@@diegopimentel5137 It's a truly shocking concept, Except for the fact that the story of the Tarnished is mostly determined by the player (Being a Player customized Character rather than one with a pre established story and personality), I sure as heck do not see Miyazaki coming out and saying anything concrete about the Tarnished. If I'm wrong provide a source for the 1st try argument. Nonetheless if you want to bring up "True Death", Then you also have to remember that in Dark Souls the First Flame is also responsible for the concept of death and capable of creating concepts, Yet it can't kill a bearer of the Dark Sign if they do not despair. And in Bloodborne you have eldritch beings who likewise can change and erase realities being unable to kill the Hunter, Including the Moon Presence, The source of the Hunter's immortality. Wolf might be vulnerable to Destined Death.
@@user-so6ps4pb6y i mean, if you want to say that tarnished is above the rules of his own world it’s ok, but if he is just another tarnished, then the source of his resurrection is marika getting his soul back to his body wich is possible because of destined death being sealed, you unleashed the rune of death specifically to kill radagon, if radagon and marika are affected by destined death then tarnished is too, unless you assume tarnished is a being of superior nature even higher than a god, if not then tarnished canonically could not die against maliketh, gideon, godfrey, radagon and elden beast because it goes against the rules the game itself tells
Hunter and tarnished is exchangeable between the two. One fought the most bosses. And has probably the largest set of skills. The other fought multiple gods and horror nightmares in a night and became a god. Im fine with those 2 being the top 2
1:53 Factually incorrect, he actually can deflect Midir's laser. Almost every attack is actually deflectable aside from sweeps. Grabs and thrusts can be deflected by the umbrella prosthetic tool. In the case of Midir's laser, since it's dark magic, you would need to use the Phoenix's Lilac Umbrella, Divine Confetti, or Lazulite Flame to negate the chip damage.
Bearer of the Curse takes the top spot for me. After reciving the blessing of the king he is immune to hollowing, basically breaking the circle that ds1-3 are going through permanently, which is a feat no one else came close to
....that's not a power feat that's an achievement....the mc of ds 1-3 also never tried to become immune to hollowing Like is being immune to hollowing granting him the power of a god? No? Then why count it
The Soul of Cinder is literally a combination of everybody that linked the first flame. The Ashen One literally beat a dude that's a combination of the Bearer of the Curse and other extremely powerful characters lmfao
@@B0x_T00l that doesn't count as the flame burn the power of those who become cinders: that's why gwyn in ds1 is so weak, his god soul was used a fuel for the first flame. the ds3 protagonist beat up a bunch grandpas way past their prime, not skillful warriors
@@Draconic404even if you 1/4 the power of each boss and put them into a cup the combination of every ds1-2 boss’s souls put into 1 being is way stronger than the first or second games protagonist
@@groovyhoovy2606 the thing is that it isn't a fourth, even gwyn in the second phase is bafely there, and he was a god a first. Just in the couple hundread years between gwyn burning himself and ds1 he goes from god to underwhelming boss. What about in ds3 , so far in the future that everything turns to ash? killing Gael weilding 99% of the dark soul is a lot more impressive of an achievement. Manus also has a crazy big part of the dark soul but in my opinion gael had more since you were the only other there with him
Wolf can use the umbrella to block Midir’s breath. Plus Midir a bitch for the gods. Not even mighty Anor Londo would provoke Kalameet’s ire. ~This comment was made by the Kalameet fan club
Midir worked for the gods because they literally raised him, Midir contains the abyss because they had literally nobody other than Midir that could contain the abyss of the ringed city and Priscilla that kept it in a permanent stasis.
Before I watch the video, here is my guess. DS1: No, because DS3 canonically beats them. DS2: No, the bosses simply aren't as strong lorewise as those from other games, so not enough feats to prove it. DS3: A good choice, since they canonically defeat the protagonist of DS1. Elden Ring: My personal guess, since they have access to a lot more tools than in previous games, such as a broader variety of strong magic spells, mounts, and weapons. Bloodborne: Could also be the strongest based off of the bosses they fight lorewise, but I haven't personally played the game.
Lore accurate tarnished and hunter are pretty crazy, but linking the fire keeps an entire world alive with your might, not saying the ashen one or any of the dark souls protags are stronger than the hunter or the tarnished but they aren’t nearly as far apart as you’d think
Gonna say it. Kratos killed a whole pantheon but the Hunter killed a whole patheon in one night. Hunter has defeated more gods than Saitama. And Hunter can do all that with a freaking cane sword
Bro the Events of both gow 2 and gow 3 happen in like two days 😂 hell kratos started with poseidon in the morning and ended with zeus the same evening he was speedrunning that shit
@@groovyhoovy2606 also not to forget a whole Pantheon is a ridiculous Statement since the only actual gods/great ones the hunter canonically felled were the wet nurse, orphan and moon presence
@@groovyhoovy2606 yeah I know that's what ive already said, still a whole Pantheon for just 3 old ones where 2 are basically optional is not really comparable with gow 3 kratos and I wanted to clear that since op wanted to dickride the hunter so fuckin much that he tried to undeshadow kratos's feats (also just bringing him up in the convo being weird af)
Any protagonist> Patches. Enough said. Literally the strongest of them all. Survived to the end of the world mainly by pure wit, also strong enough to lift the curse Greatshield which is supposed to not be held.
@WarpedPerceptions there is a theory that it's the same Patches in each game. Patches is a messenger of an immensely powerful god who seeks lowly mortals who can traverse temptations. He shows himself ugly but like in the Ringed City and in Elden Ring he is pretty much wise and loyal.
@@johnnyd.1004dude this list is so wrong. Objectively speaking the hunter destroys all the other souls protagonist combined, just by telling you that he uses a weapon which creates a bunch of stars exploiting as an attack while radanh one of the strongest characters in the elden ring lore wise needs to use all his powers to hold the stars in the sky.... Nuff said. This guy is just an elden ring casual or fanboy. And I'm not going to compare the rest of the power scale because it would be too embarrassing to do lmao
this is objectively the best ranking video for character strength and it just happens to be the objectively correct ranking for quality of souls games too.
But he can't beat a man in full plate armor without resorting to using gravity. An Radahn deadass would body wolf in a fight. He's built like a steelmill and skate boards a horse while holding back the stars. An he does it while in a vegetative state. Sorry, Wolf is cooked
I'm not here to argue your list. I don't have to agree however with that being said bro this had me just laughing at times. We love some of this commentary. Thank you for making it.
Wolf is not a fraud! Bro was blocking attacks from demon of hatred with nothing but his physical strength and a regular ass sword. Wolf catches bolts of lightning with ease! Also none of the protagonists can die however when wolf dies someone gets inflected with rot.
While Sekiro is immortal, the Tarnished literally has Destined Death taken from Maliketh that is capable of killing Eldritch gods like Elden Beast. Destined Death breaks through guard so if Sekiro parries all the attacks, DD will slowly eat through his life bar.
@silenthero2795 would that really matter lore wise wolf straight up can't die and has the mortal blade that's the only weapon that can kill somone imortal and if we go with the Shura ending when he has 2 of them all souls characters are cooked
@@joshbrown6951eehm destined death is death itself so if sekiro dies with destined death he can’t be revived. And even if he could what would he do against tarnished with bullgoat armor😂
@@joshbrown6951basically the tarnished and wolf can both kill immortals and so can the hunter actually do only the DS protagonist couldn’t finish the others off for good
The Hunter not only defeated several eldritch cosmic gods on their first night in the job, they also became one eldritch cosmic god themselves, something hundreds of people from the Healing Church and the Byrgenwerth college were unable to do
@@iamMildlyUpsetWithMostOfYouTub Ebrietas, Amygdala, Mergo's Wet Nurse, the Orphan of Kos and Moon Presence were all True Great Ones. Moon Presence was the most powerful among them (besides Oedon, obviously) but that doesn't negate the others of their godlike cosmic plane transcendence nature. That would be like saying Ares is not a god just because Poseidon is stronger. Edit: Forgot the Brain of Mensis
Try swimming with 100kg armour lmao. Also check Sekiro's regular sword hit damages on bosses vs any normal soulsborne protrag damage on bosses. Sekiro also needs to deflect A LOT to be able to reposte. While all the soulsborne protragonists can deflect/parry 4-5 times for a riposte. Really shows how weak sekiro is compared to them.
Not to mention, the one time Sekiro fought a dude in proper knight armor, he couldnt kill him, so he had to throw him off a bridge. Soulsborne characters eat knight armoured dudes for breakfast.
Imma have to say the tarnished is the strongest because they’re motivated by simping but John Bloodborne is a Playboi Carti fan that pull out the nine to parry. Both can destroy inter dimensional aliens and avatars of god. I would say they are a close tie in my opinion.
You are completely wrong here. The hunter can destroy those beings but the tarnished can't or at least not on the same level as the hunter. The hunter uses a weapon capable of creating stars that are exploding, while radanh one of the strongest characters in lore ( gameplay wise he's so easy) holds the stars in the sky.... I think this says it all. The elden ring gods and enemies would be just normal citizens in the world of bloodborne and even the only cosmic being, elden beast is really low in terms of power compared to bloodborne.
@@eliasfigarzon9813 Elden Ring also has that weapon... it's called Wing of Astel and Bastard's Stars. They can use an ability called Nebula which is literally stated: "Imbue the *Naturalborn's stars* with magic to send forth a *dark cloud of stars that lingers briefly before exploding.*" -Nebula Ash of War description. Fuck outta here with that BS.
@@ThePalebloodHunter He really didn't. He spewed misinformation, I corrected it. And Radahn beats 95% of Bloodbornes bosses. Ludwig, Maria, Gehrman, and Gascoigne would get torn to shreds by most Demi-Gods we fight.
Elden ring protagonist negs all of them easily just off speed alone we fought placidusax outside of time itself, meaning the arena we fought the dragon in was supposed to be frozen in time but we the tarnished are fast we transcended time itself through sheer speed.
Going off of genre conventions, the Good Hunter is unquestionably one of if not the strongest Souls protagonist, because 1: they outright defy Cosmic Horror tropes by fighting and *winning* against things which Ito and Lovecraft would claim cannot be meaningfully delayed, let alone outright killed. 2: they actually affect meaningful change by breaking *multiple* curse cycles, *without* ushering in an apocalypse. This is so far ahead of anything the Dark Souls PCs ever managed to accomplish that those losers don't even bear mentioning next to the Good Hunter, and it wouldn't be until Sekiro that another Fromsoft PC could match that level of personal significance and agency in the larger setting.
Lore wise wouldn't the bearer of the curse be the strongest, as an immortal unhollowable god who walked the world growing stronger for untold thosends of years?
@@asherroodcreel640 ds2 is my favorite game but man he was human. thats the best part.they all tred to be god or play God and failed. he stuck to being human and succeeded. even gwyn was a wimpy idiot trying to be god and failed.
Bearer of The Curse lorewise,he defeated aldia who is Omniscient,Omnipotent,and Omnipresent. Aldia linked himself to the First Flame,reversing the curse completely,hes also immortal and no one can kill him,at the end of the game he continues speaking normally after being "killed" and dosent drop any souls. hes present anywhere where there is a bonfire therefore in a way omnipresent. his source of powers are the First Flame itself,and the Flame has unlimited powers. Hes has the most knowledge than any other character in fromsoftware games,knowledge enough to completely reverse the curse for himself.
Aldia cant die under any circumstance due to being linked to the First Flame,because the First Flame is the Source of Life And Death,but not affected by it. and thats why the Flame can fade,but will return eventually in a infinite cycle.
Slayer of Demon's is underrated, after you chose the good ending you have power that's never been heard of before. Technically he is the strongest protagonist. Most other protagonists get burnt to a crisp or maintain their same level of strength aside from Bloodborne's true ending which you become weak af.
Ok clearly you have no idea, the gods of Demon's Souls are fucking weak, there is even one that is not even able to defend himself, the protagonists of Dark Souls are stronger but the gods they have faced were in complete decline, The Hunter weak ? by being reborn as a Great One, you don't know the power they have, clearly you don't know anything about Lovecraft, when he grows up he will become really powerful.
@@ThePalebloodHunter You do realize the old one from Demon's souls is the most powerful being in soulsborne lore right? He eclipsed an entire landscape with fog and spawned demons. The only Demon/God comparable in Dark Souls is the bed of chaos and that boss is a push over. I don't know much about Lovrcraftian lore, but I'm not a big fan because it's just not that appealing to me due to racial connotations and ambiguous lore.
@@nirokal That old guy isn't really powerful, that's not really an impressive feat, even the final boss is weak as shit, he can't even defend himself, the bosses were in complete decline, if you don't know anything about Lovecraft then don't even think about the Hunter.
@@ThePalebloodHunter Yeah the final boss is weak because of the story. The old guy? It sounds like you barely read what I wrote. As for Lovecraft I know enough to not want to know more.
Well... You know DS2 have the strongest bosses in his DLC, like Raime, Sir Alonne, Sinh, Elana, Ivory King and his pets. And yes Vendrick in the past was absolutly STRONG, as any other human character.
Depends on the context. Are they going against each other? Or are we talking about how they would fare in other worlds. Also lore wise and gameplay wise would be two different cases as well. Sekiro can basically fk everyone gameplay wise against any mob but probably would have trouble dealing with the other protags since they have the party mechanic themselves. Lore wise Sekiro is only a unkillable ninja where as the tarnished and hunter can kill gods and wield godly weapons.
Personally I would place the Slayer of demons a place higher because depending on the ending he iether becomes the strongest demon or the strongest monumental to live ( he litterly is holding the earth and lore wise is the reason why Dark souls exists (bad ending) and Bloodborne (good ending)).
@LOLMGS that's pretty valid, at the end of the day it's a nice theory. The head canon I first thought was the world of bloodborne was made after you made the new painting in dark souls 3
Okay, I’m pretty biased towards Elden Ring, and I am not a big fan of Bloodborne, but I’m gonna try to be as objective as possible I’ve also only played three Souls games so far, so I’ll just rank four characters In first place, as most powerful, is a tough one, I narrowed it down to either the Chosen Undead from DS1 or the Ashen One from DS3, this is because of the First Flame. I’ve never really seen nor heard the First Flame explained outside of the game, until Death Battle did Chosen Undead Vs Last Dragonborn (go watch it, the fight is fucking awesome) and in that video, they explained that the First Flame’s ignition was likely something akin to a Big Bang, and that it was responsible for all concepts in the universe, which adds up, since in the opening cutscene, it was said that the First Flame was responsible for concepts like life and death, light and dark, you get the picture. But the reason this is a tough choice is because the Chosen Undead’s soul alone was able to withstand the First Flame’s power for around 1’000 years, but they could go Hollow. On the other hand, while the Ashen One’s soul could withstand the First Flame’s power for a while, it wasn’t as long as the Chosen Undead, BUT the Ashen One CAN’T go Hollow. Ultimately I give first place to the Chosen Undead and second place to the Ashen One Moving on to third place, time for a hot take. Throughout Bloodborne, it’s no secret that we see the Great Ones are powerful, that’s not in question, but we never see anything too large scale, outside of Oedon becoming one with the universe itself, and while that feat SOUNDS like an unquestionable feat of power, we still have no clue what he can or cannot do, since we never see him doing ANYTHING after becoming one with everything, he doesn’t even influence events, and that doesn’t matter anyway, since the Hunter never fights him anyway. The strongest being the Hunter fights is the Moon Presence, right before they ascend to the level of THOUGHT of a Great One. I’m also gonna get this one out of the way; not once is it so much as IMPLIED that the Great Ones are Outer Gods, they are their own thing, and while they do display power, it’s nothing all that impressive ON THE OTHER HAND The Tarnished of no Renown has defeated the Demigods, Demigods whose power is not questionable, as they frequently show themselves at their best throughout the lore, and while the Great Ones’ power can be questionable at times, due to the primary focus being on their influence and dreams, the Demigods and Elden Beast are focused more towards power and stars And given the fact that the Tarnished destroys a star, MULTIPLE STARS IN FACT (you can kill Overworld Astels and the two separate Astel bosses), that level of power cannot be ignored, nor can Radahn’s feat of holding all the stars in place, nor can Malenia’s own ascension to Godhood in her boss fight, nor can Maliketh wielding what is essentially weaponized DEATH itself, nor can the Elden Beast, STILL BEING MORE POWERFUL THAN ALL OF THEM, I CAN KEEP GOING Not to mention the Tarnished having access to Great Runes that, while only a fraction of godlike power, can still resist the effects of Outer Gods’ powers, and a weapon that bends time to slay gods So few feats of actual raw POWER in Bloodborne, while Elden Ring overflows with them I give third place to the Tarnished of No Renown, and fourth will go to the Hunter
And your main problem here is looking to death battle for lore accurate feats. That channel is only good for cool looking fight animations they do, cuz man they know NOTHING about lore and they mess it up a lot. Literally in the opening cutscene it is made explicitly clear that the first flame is not the origin of everything. Dragons predated it along with an entire world they inhabited. The reason those concepts came into the world is not because they didn’t “exist” but because there was no mortal creatures, nor any variance in temperature across the already created world, etc. The flame produced heat, automatically making it hot and everything else cold. It like the sun sustains mortal life, thus helping to bring life and death into this world. This does not make it akin to the Big Bang, it gives it the functional role of the sun, but not even equivalent size or force of the sun (otherwise the world would’ve instantly died upon the flame’s appearance). On the other hand you have the ashen one, who in the main game alone pulls off a greater feat than any of the chosen’s: killing the soul of cinder. That includes any and all who held the flame before the ashen one including the chosen undead. Also, 1) the ashen one can indeed go hollow and 2) we never get to see how long the ashen one holds the flame for as there isn’t any follow up game. What there is however is the dlc, which is important to note. At the end of the world, Gael has assembled the dark soul of man, one of the original 4 lord souls derived from the pigmy’s. He got it by eating basically all of the pigmy’s. We can infer one of two things from his boss fight cutscene: 1) all living humans (and maybe everything else too since no other life remains?) contain a portion of the dark soul as he wants you to “hand it over”, and in order to assemble it Gael had to wipe out all humanity himself or 2) Gael is insane and thinks you’re a pigmy. Since Gael still recognizes you the former is probably true, but regardless this lord soul is used to create a painted world that will never rot and fade. In other words it’s a dimension creation feat, though it isn’t performed by the ashen one so hard to say how close he scales. Regardless, no one else other than the hunter from blood borne is anywhere close to this feat so these two should be close to the strongest lore wise. Tho elden beast lore is actually insane, cuz when you dig into elden ring lore you realize the erdtree was not originally part of the world and was sent by an outer god to basically completely hijack everything (hence the elden beast to keep watch over it and protect it). Its not exactly clear how powerful the elden beast is nor the one who sent it, but it is supposed to be stronger than radhan or malenia, one of whom was so strong he held back the entire cosmos which is getting into realistically galaxy level feats and malenia who achieved a pseudo godhood, so it’s safe to say the tarnished is around comparable strength if not greater since the dimensions created in blood borne and painted worlds are not guaranteed to be at a scale greater than a planet
@@Rl55322I see, I’ll admit Death Battle has a history of messing up lore, so yeah, not too reliable a source, it did sound convincing though, especially since the Big Bang was once just something as small as an atom, but it instantly expanded into something as large as a universe, that’s not to say nothing came before it, so there came the reason for the whole “mythological big bang” idea Still, you are right that Death Battle is a questionable source at best I will stand by the Hunter being below the Tarnished, Ashen One and Chosen Undead, but swapping the Chosen Undead and Ashen One feels reasonable
@@logeyperogi1805 No, CU can't be the most powerful, like what concepts of life and death? That is never said, and also everything that the Chosen Undead has faced was in complete decay, and all of his power is linked to the Flame, if the Flame ever goes out, goodbye for him, he deserves fourth place, he is in third place, why? because if we go to the end of absorbing the Flame, what Ashen One has is nothing more than a fraction of its power, so this makes him minimally powerful but still the most powerful protagonist of the Dark Souls trilogy. Ashen One is more powerful than him, for the simple fact of having defeated the Soul of Ashes which was the union of the ancient lords who linked the Flame, and therefore SoC has the power of all of them, including that of the Bearer of the Curse and The Chosen Undead, and Ashen One defeats him. The Hunter is in second place, as the RU-vid guy said, Hunter literally faces things that normal people cannot understand or even see, the Great Ones, beings capable of creating planes of existence or manipulating reality, creating curses , they can drive anyone to madness just by showing their true form, what's more you can't say that they are not powerful when they can destroy anyone with a look, like Moon Presence does, or Amygdala, as for Oedon, he may have transcended at a higher level of divinity, that is why he has no form, however I do not think he is limited, since he was able to impregnate Yarhnam and conceive a son, if he does not intervene in human things it is because he does not want to, you know, In Lovecraft, for these deities, humans are insignificant and irrelevant that they do not care at all. The Hunter by absorbing so much lucidity and acquiring so much knowledge, his level of insight is such that he was able to ascend to a higher plane of thought and transcend the human mind completely and finally become a Great One and since Great Ones can also ascend to a higher level of divinity like Oedon did, Hunter has quite a bit of potential. The Tarnished is the most powerful of all the protagonists without a doubt, man, he defeated all the most powerful Demigods like Radahn who was able to hold the stars thanks to his gravitational power, Malenia who has the power of an Outer God, the Scarlet Rot, and was able to wipe out an entire continent, Mogh who has the power of the Formless Mother, Morgott, Godfrey, defeated Maliketh who carried the Rune of Destined Death, in addition to defeating the ancient bearers of the Rune, Tarnished defeated gods like Radagon, he also defeated Placidusax who transcends space and time, and Tarnished also escaped time to reach him and defeated Elden Beast, which in the description of his rune literally explains that it was the physical embodiment and the concept of Order. And if that were not enough, Tarnished has the power of the Frenzied Flame, which is also an Outer God and who will cause the destruction of the world. The Tarnished and The Hunter would be the most powerful, because come on, they're the only ones who faced truly powerful enemies in their prime and they're also the only ones who truly transcend their humanity and become gods in essence.
@@Rl55322 The Age of Ancients was explicitly the state of the world in which everything was formless. It's not reality as it actually predated everything that came with the First Flame, which includes light and dark. In Dark Souls these aren't just of elemental nature but rather are more metaphysical, as with light time came to exist, and we know that it can also manipulate and warp fundamental laws of reality. On the other hand, dark is practically nonexistence and unreality, even stated constantly through the franchise that the power of dark would leave the world in nothingness and erase everything of the Age of Fire There are also the parallel worlds that came with the First Flame, which were converging at the moment the fire started to dissipate. So again there are several proofs that shows the First Flame indeed created everything in Dark Souls. The dragons are transcendent to the world and physical existence, which relates to their nature predating the dualities of fire, being the Age of Ancients more akin to the concept of sunyata in buddhism, of wuji in taoism
@@Rl55322I agree but you’re missing the part where the hunter (bloodborne) defetead the same gods who had dimension lvl feats far before he transformed into a god himself meaning this was not his prime by potentially a long shot. We don’t know for sure how strong the elden beast is compared to the great ones so I’m just placing them in a tie at 1 spot since I don’t know the other ones. I do know that we don’t know how strong the outer gods or great ones are and since the hunter defeated many great ones without even needing something like destined death it’s an pretty insane feat. If the great ones are as strong as the outer gods or stronger then the hunter negs every one of the characters including all the bosses probably since the hunter after transforming is potentially a lot stronger then before given that the doll holds him in high regards afterwards. Like I said we don’t know for sure
The biggest problem for wolf is dealing with the armor of dark souls protags. Wolf couldn't even pierce the armor of the knight on the bridge. However, if the mortal blade can and wolf has it, they're all cooked.
Actually the wolf can deflect almost any attack in the game, even the poop from the big gorilla and his tick damage from his fart can be deflected because os some reason, so i think he would be able to beat almost every boss from any souls like
The Hunter will always be the strongest protagonist in my eyes. Not only did he beat the very first hunter, not only did he turn around and merc the eldritch god who HIRED HIM to hunt ANOTHER god, not only did he slay MULTIPLE gods and walk off with their blood AND their collective wisdom of the cosmos... ...he then continued to BECOME a god in the true ending of the game. He's the strongest.
The "true" ending is debatable. The devs themselves never said that is the true ending and everyone just wants to assume. Even on the web, it's between the sunrise of Yharnam or the childhood beginnings of which players assume are the true endings. It's never been called by the devs, the true ending. It makes sense in a soulsborne game to not have a happy ending and the childhood beginnings is the best case scenario so likely not the true ending. Also the hunter had the intention to escape the dream not become a God nor could they even know they could do it. You have to go out of your way for the umbilical cords besides like one you get after murgos wet nurse fight. Mind you it's not that I don't agree with your logic and that the hunter is the strongest protagonist, I just don't believe that is the true ending in bloodborne bc there is no definitive proof. It's all up to debate and interpretation.
God my ass. Those gods were fleshy earthly creatures that ascended to some space dimension. In love craftian horror outergods are above great old ones like cluthlu. He's a bug.
With all of my respect towards Wolf, but he can’t even kill someone who has a fully metal armor, which is something that every other soulsborne character has.
If we count in lore, ending(s) and feats then from Strongest to Weakest: 1. The Good hunter - If we go with the 3rd ending they ascend and becomes an infant eldrich being with the only downside is that they might carry the curse that the Old Ones are trying to break. 2. The Bearer of the Curse - If we go with the 2nd ending, they refuse to lit or extinguish the first flame, instead they go on a journey accompanied by Aldia (arguably the smartest mad scientist in Dark Souls lore) with The Crown of Kings that nullifies the spreading and the downsides of Hollowficiation until they can find a cure, essentially making The Bearer immortal without the danger of losing their mind overtime due to the curse. And because there is no cure to the curse and if we go with the assumption that the The Bearer will never take off the crown, then they won't be able to die at the eventual end of the world due to them being stuck as a Hollow. Basically granting them an indefinite amount of time to get stronger throughout the world cycles. 3. The Tarnished - [Only reason I'm placing them behind the Bearer of the Curse is that they are unable to take the souls of their fallen foes.] Immortal, no chances of losing their minds, technically immune to death as well because of the rune of death. If we go with the Ranni ending we have a powerful witch on our side and both the Tarnished and Rann will be under the servitude of an Outer God. 4. The Ashen One - Immortal but the end of the cycle is inevitable at this point. It doesn't matter if they become the Lord of Hollows, it will just extend their time a little bit. The First Flame will fade, the Age of Dark and Man will come to be and after that the world will end, bringing an end to everything so the cycle of the world can start anew. 5. The Chosen Undead - In the 1st ending they sacrifice themselves to The First Flame and in the 2nd they will embrace the dark and bringing the Age of Dark and Men but after that, the world will end, bringing an end to everything so the cycle of the world can start anew. (not the cycle or rekindling The First Flame) 6. The Slayer of Demons - If we go with the 2nd ending. 7. Sekiro - A dangerous and highly skilled assassin with the least impressive feats, even if said feats are probably the 2nd coolest out of all protags.
You know i can respect that justification. It hold more merrit than the arguments the Sekiro fan boys seething in the comment section. Even though personally, if say the bear of the curse is 3rd or 4th. Its more so the bosses the bearer beats are just outclassed by power and lore that the Ashen One, The Good Hunter, and the Tarnished end up besting.
Nah telling sekiro is a fraud is nah bro. In the shura ending he became a immortal demon which is destroyed whole land (and prob destroyed world). He has 2 mortal blades that can kill everything and more weapon. You need a mortal blade or stupid hax like that to kill him. His reaction speed is insane and he can manipulate fire too. İn my oppion he is in the 4-3th place.
Wolf has unlimited stamina, can break a target’s poise just by blocking, all his critical hits are insta kills for anything that doesn’t have a second life at the ready, he has actual skill with a blade, and has counters to any type of weapon all the others can wield. He ain’t first but he shouldn’t be that close to last. Considering that the others need stamina to do anything and he can eat away at their stamina at will.
All that armor makes them sink like a rock so it makes sense. Wolf can actually swim and he never runs out of air. Bruh, we are comparing videogame characters. The nameless undead from all the souls games may be physically stronger but they are all just as fast as wolf but wolf can go for longer. If they try a jump attack they’ve already lost because wolf can insta kill in the air. Their heaviest attack would deflect off the umbrella shield and not even hurt wolf. He may not be the strongest but he shouldn’t have been dead last. Most of the undead’s miracles are lightning based attacks as well. Wolf can send that shit right back at them with a paralyzing effect.
My personal theory for the dark souls trilogy is that the player characters are all the same person just years and years apart, it is established in the lore that you can lose power and become weaker over time just as you can become stronger and the dark sign would keep them alive until the curse was lifted permanently.
@@Rei_geDo nah he has protagonist immortality too tho. after first couple of times you die you wake up at sculptor's which means enma brings you back and you slowly ressurect
@@moon_presence4922 naaah dude can jump on trees and buildings no way they are gonna catch him/steal from him also he is the only one who can swim lmao
i dont know every inch of lore about Demon's Souls, but i believe it is worth mentioning the Old One was basically God (or something extremely close), and Dale being powerful enough to have communion with it (even if he never kills it) is significant and sidenote: regardless of the fact you essentially oneshot her, the Maiden in Black is the only person powerful enough to put God to sleep, and you can take her fucking soul. take that as you will
For those still confused on whether the Tarnished is strongest because bloodborne’s various cosmic entities- Spoilers for ELDEN RING DLC- Malenia alone was able to crop dust and permanently alter a continent’s environment. She’s also got so much more potential, as she’s constantly fighting the scarlet rot outer god for control of herself. And Malenia is only an demigod, but she’s hitting continental crop dusting, but then we have the likes of Marika/Radagon, who is a god, and the Elden beast, who is the vessel of the outer god. But who do I scale above all of them? Metyr, who was the will of the greater will and was often spoken into/ through? To do their bidding. But, enough about the background, it’s all about the strength. Metyr easily creates a microcosm, which is a small universe. She has her own pocket dimension, and she even returns to said pocket dimension upon being defeated. So that takes the feats of the cosmic entities in bloodborne and tells them to sit down effectively.
The Hunter is in a good spot, from a single day in Yharnam the Hunter literally slayed royalty, hunters, beasts, outer gods, and outer gods in their own home turf all while wearing an outfit so iconic it is easily in my top 3 video game outfits.
Malenia is just a Bloodborne boss and that's why every Tarnished struggles with her. Although I gotta admit, canonically killing Maliketh on the 1st try is really impressive since according to lore if Maliketh kills you then you can't revive. It would've been essentially a save wipe. So yeah thats impressive for the Tarnished
since lot of people have their own in the comments, here is my own list from strongest to weakest : first : the good hunter kind of obvious since they kill great ones, eldritch beings that are so powerful that gazing upon them break the mind, adding to that the fact that the moon presence is the ONLY boss in All the souls-game that requiert to be on the same level of existence before even having the chance to try and kill her ( and by the way, personal theory but I think the moon presence wanted us to kill her ) no other boss in All the souls-game insta-beat you in a cutscene like the moon presence does, not one, wich should be telling enough on the level of power displayed here second : the tarnished of course the second place can only belong to one protagonist, the tarnished killed radhann who, even deeply weakened, could hold the stars with his magic ( although one could argue that it made him that much weaker since his focus and magic went to such cosmic task instead of fighting ) killed astel the malformed star ( even if we really lowball this saying astel losed a majority of it's star power by crashing down in the land between because of radhann influence over it and its kin and thus wasn't at full power it's still a civilisation destroying foe ) tanked malenia scarlet aeonia ( which easily scale to country level as we see in game ) and resisted her goddess of rot form ( while radhann losed his sanity against a less potent concentration of scarlet rot ) fused with destined death wich make them an anti-immortal being capable of killing ( wounded ) gods because yes, as much as it's true that the tarnished killed a god, said god wasn't in it's prime being deeply wounded and at the figurative end of it's rope be it physically or even metaphysically, it's influence weakened enough that other outer god could come out to play in the land between I also does not count the tarnished at the end of the frenzied flame questline to be the tarnished but the frenzied flame itself, as ego the the first thing the flame wish to erase third : the bearer of the curse now it may be controversial but I think they are the perfect balance between power skill and knowledge of the three dark souls protagonist they may also have aldia knowledge and powet at their back, in this case it's a no brainer, the chosen undead may have more raw power considering they come from a less weakened by rot point in the timeline but I think the bearer of the curse just has enough experience and skill to win on the long run considering they will not go hollow but the chosen undead will fourth : chosen undead I think the chosen undead is the protagonist who got the more raw power out of all the three dark souls protagonist but the less skill overall compared to the other two, I thing the ashen one still would have enough chance to beat them but not reliably enough that I would call them better than the chosen undead fifth : ashen one I think it's the most debatable one depending on wich angle you take their feat, on one hand it's clear enough that souls get less and less powerfull as time goes on and the first flame get weaker, the best example of this decay being gwyn himself who go from strongest being in the verse to a shadow of it's prime, hence why I think the soul of cinder doesn't add up to the level of power people assume it has, the fact it's the amalgamation of every lord of cinder doesn't mean said lord of cinder didn't have their souls power decaying through the age like gwyn powers did although one thing certain is that the soul of cinder is practically the most skilled opponent in the verse due to the combined knowledge of all the lord of cinders second only to the ashen one who bested them, wich make the ashen one the most skilled out of the three protagonist of the trilogy on the other hand however, they also kill an archdragon ( midir ) and the wielder of the almost complete dark soul ( gael ) so their feat of strenght doesn't really add up to the era of decay they are from wich make them the trickiest to class out of all the souls-born protagonist sixth ( or seventh ) : slayer of demons kind of easy compared to the one above, they can't kill the dragon god by themselve, wich even if we highball it hard would make it on the level of seath or even kalameet and midir but without their transcendentale nature toward life and death, pointless anyway since the slayer can't kill it on their own power making them de facto weaker than the dark souls protagonist who have killed beings on that tier of strenght without needing any ancient machinery they also can't kill the old one wich nature seems to be, if not exactly on par with the outer gods and great ones, at least similar enough given it's role in the narrative as this instoppable godlike being, so they'r certainly not on the level of the tarnished let alone the good hunter adding to that the fact that most of the boss they face are gimmick boss that need to be killed and/ord hurt a certain way and you have the second ( but arguably first ) weakest souls-games protagonist seventh ( or sixth ) : one armed wolf the reason why I put wolf at last place is because he is technically the weakest of them all in raw power simply because he is supposed to be the most grounded ( at default of being the most realistic ) of all the protagonist, he is supposed to feel the most fragile, hence why the parry mechanic is as much important gameplay wise as lore wise, wolf real strenght is his skill above all else so while I think he is the most lacking in raw power and resistence ( as shown on his fight against the armored knight ) I still think he would beat the slayer of demon at least seven times out of ten out of raw skill and speed ( and ten out of ten if he become shura, the power boost isn't shown but I think it would be enough to wipe the floor with the slayer of demons ) adding to that the fact wolf can kill immortals beings because of his red blade and I think he got the edge the power gap between him and the slayer of demons not being large enought that he couldn't pull out the singular win he need I personally think he rank sixth because he only need to win once wich is not the case for the slayer of demons, but it can still be argued that he is the weakest protagonist out of all of them still
Bearer of the curse for me, he managed to break the curse and reject the cycle by essentially leaving the throne, basically going neutral. One thing i the souls series taught me is that the power of will is everything.
I feel like it’s the tarnished. They kill Eldritch horrors like the Hunter, while also killing actual gods. They change the fate of the world, determining how life, death, and undeath will proceed to exist. They can create a new order of life, or destroy EVERYTHING by choice. No contest.
Hunter fought beings stronger than Demi gods he number one, not to mention I had my hunter become a literal god at the end. The hunter becomes an Eldritch god at the end of the game, the tarnished fought the creation of one, not the same
About radahn. He locked ALL of the stars in place with his powers. Then there are things like midra who is an outer god and matyr who existed before elden beast
I think there is one extra thing that can be considered, unless we're only talking raw strength. Bearer of the Curse is the only protagonist that properly managed to escape the cycle of hollowing, and find a proper prevention. It's a different type of "strength", but I think that fact could rank him above other DS protagonists (or at least above Chosen Undead).
The funny thing is that this list unironically makes sense. I would just change the hunter in third place and the ashen one in second place, but I can see an argument as to why the hunter would actually be stronger than the ashen one.
Idk if anyone else in the comments mentioned this. Malekith wields destined death, meaning anyone he even TOUCHES with his blade just dies. Therefore canonically, tarnished goes against malekith and wins without being hit ONCE
never played borne even tho i want to but ive llayed the others and all i can say is if a hunter threw fucking hands with beings the likes of cthulu or probably stronger with a fucking sawblade, then my mo ey’s on them tarnished is flashy as hell sure but thats like one punch man vs the other heroes who are flashy as hell lol
