*Updates:* (8/20/22): I realize it might be useful to know EXACTLY what functions are present on which calculator. Thankfully they're all listed on TIBasicDev! Here's the list for the black and white calculators: tibasicdev.wikidot.com/command-index-bw and here's the list for color calculators: tibasicdev.wikidot.com/command-index The lists are nearly identical, but the color calculators have a few new functions such as Piecewise, ToString, and Wait. (11/30/21): Annoyingly, RU-vid has removed the public dislike count. If you'd like to see the dislike count on this video, I suggest installing the 'Return RU-vid Dislike' extension (Firefox, Chrome, Edge).
My Ti89 is still kicking, and I checked the date at the back, it's from 1999. I have so many memories with that calculator, still use it from time to time. Like 2 weeks ago, I simplified an equation with it. So cool!
I still have my 89 titanium and my TI-83 Plus. Unfortunately My 83 has developed ribbon cable failure. I'm surprised they didn't mention the TI-92 series That's a fun series but damn is it hard to get ones in working order. I have a few of them but all of them have issues.
I rock the nspire cx-ii cas as my main college calculator. But I always hold onto my 84+ CE (no Python) because I’m extremely comfortable programming and working on it from my years of using it in high school.
Thank you so much for this video. The professor just said “ti-84” and looking at FB marketplace for a used one, I was quickly overwhelmed. Your video set me straight. On my way right now to pick up a ti-84 plus ce for $30
Man, I remember seeing you comment on one of my old videos when you had around 300 or 500 subscribers, and now you're at 1.55k subs and your video quality has skyrocketed! I'm now entering the calculator hobby and your videos are extremely helpful!
My trusty TI-83 Plus, which I got in 2008, got me all the way through my Electrical Engineering undergrad. Though admittedly, it was a bit of a struggle. Def felt a bit inadequate when I was the only one in my class unable to do indefinite integration on his calculator.
TheLastMillennial: "The TI−84+ CE is currently receiving software updates with _no_ sign of being discontinued within the next few years." Also TheLastMillennial: Don't upgrade to TI−84+ CE 5.3.1 nor 5.5!
@@TheLastMillennial I have a question Since you said that the ti 84 plus C se is not recommended can you tell me why is the processing power is slower than the ti 84 plus se or what
The CSE has the same processor as the SE but it has a much higher resolution color screen which takes significantly more processing power to run. This means the CSE spends more time displaying stuff than actually calculating anything.
The community frowns upon newer CE OS versions because TI axed Z80 Assembly support, severely limiting programming options for those versions of the OS.
As a cs student with a minor in math, I recently upgraded my TI84 plus silver edition to the TI84 ce plus. I don't really need the python edition, the TI84 ce plus is perfect for me! The white color looks clean and minimalistic. Having a backlight is so much better!
The real answer is that you REALLY NEED to get the HP prime calculator. You can’t possible know what your future calculator requirements will be so get the best available calculator at any given point in time and at this time it is the HP prime.
I used a TI85 for my first degree - in those days, it was a game-changer. I used a TI89 thereafter and I still think it was the best calculator I've ever used. I have a TI-Nspire CX cas, but find it annoying slow because of the many button presses required to do things. TI89 still 'rocks' for me.
I don't have nearly as much experience with scientific calculators as I do graphing calculators. If you want a calculator with all the features possible, the TI-36x pro or TI-30x Pro Mathprint are probably your best bet. If your teacher doesn't want your calculator to have certain functions like integration, the TI-30x IIS or TI-30x Plus Mathprint (I chose this for my statistics class) are probably the way to go. Honestly it'd be really nice if you could just use a graphing calculator for everything. I'm going to be talking with the developers of the HP Prime and hopefully I can convince them to create a 'Scientific calculator' mode which will essentially turn off all the Prime's features that a regular scientific calculator wouldn't already have. That way you could have one calculator for all your math and science courses.
TI-89 is the best if you want it to do math for you, and still be acceptable in classrooms most of the time. Ti-89's can just straight up solve equations, no need to do by hand. Etc.
I bought my ti-84 plus from a thrift store. It is one of the "school property" versions, but it was there among a lot of other calculators also marked "school property" and it seemed pretty clear to me it wasn't stolen. I'm just going to write my name on it in permanent marker and hopefully it won't be an issue, especially considering I'm in college.
The TI-84 is also antiquated enough that it can't handle complex numbers in matrices. Yes, there's a "way around it", but it's confusing and time consuming. That makes it pretty crappy for anything involving electrical engineering.
The TI-82 line is crazy in that it still lives on to this day in the TI-84 variants out there. When it was new it was never the most capable calc and despite the subsequent improvements it always felt like it was a step behing the ti-85 although it ultimately won as that stopped after only the ti-86, whats more impressive in its longevity is it managed to out live the ti-92 line with it being around after the ti 89 titanium and ti voyager 200 (seriously ti why the voyager rename for a sleeker ti-92+ update?)
I honestly love the TI-84 Plus C Silver Edition. It’s underpowered I know but all I need is to graph and do equations. I also prefer the design over the TI-84 CE. Although not being as sleek or slim as the TI-84 CE, it still has the outdated or as would like to say nostalgic design as the TI-84. It even has an I/o or as some would say a headphone jack! I’m not saying the CE is a bad calculator, the CE is actually a pretty good calculator. If I were to play games then yeah a TI-84 CE would be a good calculator. I guess the only con I have for the TI-84 C Silver for a new one, it does cost as much as a TI-Nspire CX II CAS when you could get the CE new for 20 or 30 dollars cheaper.
I use my TI-83 Plus much more than my TI Nspire CC CAS. While graphs look nicer on the inspire and it's much easier and quicker to do a matrix or system of equations and standard form, I find it I still do almost everything else quicker and easier with the TI-83 Plus. I do lots of programs and find a programming the TI-83 Plus is much faster and simpler in programming on the TI Nspire. That's just me, I'm crazy that way.
I feel similarly. Although the Nspire can do so much more, each function I want to do feels like it takes a bit more time. My TI-84 Plus CE feels like it has more dedicated buttons to the functions I care about. I think it mostly comes down to I've just grown use to the layout after years of using it.
I had a teacher who claims he could use any TI calculator so I asked him to try my TI89. He tried to use it and gave up after an hour of trying do some calculus equations along with the class just because they were set up so differently 😂
Well, I already got the to-84 plus ce python, so... cool? I will definitely install the jailbreak though. I did try out the python program, and I thought it was kind of cool, definitely not something that I would use over python on my computer. Oh, and yeah, I'm not in high school yet, but next year I will be, so, I got a calculator early. Ok, the real reason why I wanted it was to put a gameboy emulator on it so I could play games during free time since I still don't have a cell phone.
Ti84 +ce python is so fun tho cuz it can still run most games and coding in python is also fun and can be a way to store notes and can make custom scripts like I did where it will find distance of a line, midpoint, slope, etc.
I got the N-Spire CX-II for $80 off craigslist, I believe the N-Spire’s are allowed as long as they are not CAS versions. I gave mine to my little sister and she used it in high school without issues
i should have caught this video sooner, i just bought the ti 84 silver edition yesterday for my classes since my school requires only the ti-83 and 84 models. i guess ill just have to take really good care of it!
Cons of Ti Nspire CX: unfamiliar layout, pretty good chance that it may not be allowed for use in exams or even in classrooms Pros of TI Nspire CX: it has a trackpad
I have been using TI for forever and teach math....and even I think the Nspire is sooo overkill and difficult that it is not worth it! That said, im gonna geek out and get a color TI 84-CE even though I dont need it cuz all my old ones still work flawlessly.
My trusty TI-84 plus that got me through engineering school finally bit the dust. It randomly developed a screen artifact that makes it distracting to use. Decided to upgrade to the TI-84 CE. I thought about getting the python edition for laughs but was having trouble finding it in stock anywhere. I even thought about the nspire series but decided to go with the TI-84 CE already familiar with the layout. The backlit screen is going to be so nice!
Hope you enjoy it! TI stopped producing Python Editions after the chip shortage started. If you're interested in dark mode I have a video showing how to install that!
something i’ve wondered about calculators is why i can’t seem to find any that use more modern connectors like USB Type-C. i haven’t even found any mods for it. i just want to be able to use one cable for everything.
Usb C is slightly more expensive than micro or mini USB. Calculators are all about maximizing profit margins so why bother implementing a superior connector if it means more work for the manufacturer? I've only seen one usb C mod for the TI-84 Plus CE. However, I believe it broke data communication with the way it was hooked up. If you want a modern way of charging, I'd suggest adding wireless charging to the calculator. It won't affect data transfer and I even made a tutorial on it! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-yj8JJHb1ohc.html
I have never bought one before and about 10 years ago it was just a Sharp EL-W516XBSL 556 Scientific Calculator and am tired of using my computers calculator as its always hidden. And I need it for a class this semester. I got the python new in packaging on eBay for 80 (95 with shipping and tax) I am excited to have a color screen that is not a phone app. I wished in 2022 they would be making things with type c cables even if it doesn't need it for power or speed. I never needed a calculator with batteries or charing before thanks to the solar panels on them.
First off, you vids are awesome. Thank you for the content! I’m an adult returning to college and I plan on studying MIS which is pretty math heavy, but I have no experience in college math and I’ve never even used a graphing calculator. My question is, since every calculator is going to have a learning curve for me, do you think I should go for the ti-84 plus ce, or opt for the more feature rich nspire cx ii cas? Bonus points if you can tell me if the cas is worth it for a newbie in the college world. And a big thanks if you can take the time to answer this!
I'm not familiar with the specific courses required for MIS but I can give you some general info The TI-84 Plus CE is definitely going to be less of a learning curve, but the Nspire or HP Prime are much better values since they have significantly more features and performance for a similar price. I would not really recommend a TI-84 Plus CE for college because its feature set is designed for high school courses and it's just incredibly slow for doing anything remotely intensive (even graphing is painfully slow compared to the Nspire or HP Prime). CAS is extremely useful if you're taking classes like Calculus or if you need to manipulate equations in general. I would highly recommend it if your professor allows it. If CAS is allowed by your professor, I would definitely go for an Nspire CX II -T CAS or an HP Prime G2. I believe only Nspire models with -T in the name allows you to display answers in radical and other forms (EDIT: This is not completely true. Any Nspire that has CAS can also display answers in radical & other forms. For non-CAS Nspires, only ones with -T can still display answers in radical & other forms). However, the HP Prime has that built in even if you get the older G1 model. Personally I found the HP Prime to have less of a learning curve than the Nspire, but if you just spend an hour with either calculator you'll get the basics down pretty quick. If your professor does NOT allow CAS then the Nspire CX II -T would be my next recommendation. All HP Prime models have CAS built in so that they would not be allowed. Hopefully that helps you out. Let me know if you have any questions!
It's basically the same calculator but with a different keypad layout and the buttons are in French. TI tends to push updates to the TI-83 Premium CE first, but the TI-84 Plus CE always gets the same features not long after.
@@TheLastMillennial In addition to that, the TI-83 Premium CE OS has more features than its TI-84 Plus CE counterpart, such as showing answers in "exact" form (I don't know what "moteur exact" is called in English) and extra fraction button if I remember correctly. If you look carefully at each calculator keypads, you will notice some differences too.
Good point! I had forgotten about the exact math engine. For those wondering, that's what lets the calculator display results in radical form rather than only decimal.
Hello, I'm looking to purchase a TI-84 Plus CE for school. I am intrigued by the speed performance on the newer models (and that graphing speed would be so great to have compared to my 84 Plus). So, could you please explain exactly what I should look for on the back of the calculator to know if it's a newer model? In specific, where does the date code start and can you give me an example of it?
The date code is on the back of the calculator to the right of the serial number. It'll look something like L-0519M. If the last letter is M or later then it has the faster hardware.
Probably a silly question: You mention for the TI-84 Plus CE to try and get one in the box versus the plastic packaging. Do you recommend anywhere (either online or a physical store) that has these in the box with the refreshed hardware? If I'm going to buy one, I'd like to make sure I have the newer one with the updated bits. Thanks!
Unfortunately there's no way to know for certain that you'll get the new hardware. However, it's been so long since the faster hardware was released that there's an extremely high chance you'll get the faster hardware so long as you buy new from Amazon, bestbuy, or similar stores.
The new Casio 9750Giii with textbook display and Python is only $45 and there is actually a program out there that gives it CAS capability. It is a serious threat to the TI-84.
Ultimate Texas instruments rank Time: Ti 59 to TI-84 ce python t Power: ti 30x ii to ti Nspire cx cas Popularity: ti 82 plus to ti 84 plus Success in class/good grades: ti 84 plus ce to ti Nspire cx non revision Majority of games: ti 108 to ti 84 plus silver
Ngl the 83 plus is a damn good calculator. Just make sure to get a link cable and youre set for life, even used. I traded my dads old calculator from his job office for it, and it has yet to fail me at all
How about an nSpire with the 84 keypad? Available for much less than an 84se on eBay etc and has the same functionality as long as not wanting some games/shells.
So I accidently bought a Python Edition instead of a normal CE-T, no big deal right? But now I’m wondering if the Python Edition contains something that would make it easier to cheat on tests compared to the ”vanilla one”. Not that I want to cheat, I just really hope that my school doesn’t ban it.
It's not any easier to cheat on the Python edition calculators than it is on the non-Python editions. Your school will allow it unless they specifically requested a -T model. The -T model has an extra testing LED at the top of the calculator that is required for some Exams. If you are getting a TI-84 Plus CE -T Python Edition you're already good to go no matter what country you live in. However, if you're not in the USA and you're getting the regular TI-84 Plus CE Python then check with your school to verify it will be allowed.
I think it's a great calculator. I personally prefer the touch screen of the HP Prime but if you like the touchpad or extra programs, the Nspire is a good option.
Bro CASIO sells its variant of the TI-84+CE (Python) being much better and cheaper. What makes this similar variant much better is the ability to graph in 3D
If you were self learning math and looking to pick up a dedicated calculator(almost a secondary skill to math) what would you recommend? Not having to worry about standardized tests, classes or teachers. I am hovering towards the ti-84 plus ce because it is the obvious 800lbs gorilla but is having a calculator with CAS something to consider?
I would definitely recommend the HP Prime G2 if you're self teaching since it has an amazing help menu for every command. It will often also provide examples you can try. It's hundreds of times faster than the TI-84 Plus CE and has CAS as well.
For college an HP Prime G2 or Nspire CX II CAS would probably be better options. The CE has features designed for high school so it can struggle in college courses. Just be warned that classes will often disallow graphing calculators and require you to get a scientific calculator. It depends entirely on what department the class is in and on your professor's preference.
I'm not convinced it does. The new regulations seem to apply only to radio equipment (it specifically mentions Hand-held mobile phones, tablets, digital cameras, headphones, headsets, handheld videogame consoles and portable speakers). Since the TI-84 Plus family doesn't have any sort of wireless communication equipment, I'm not sure if the regulations will apply to it. You can read the regulations here: ec.europa.eu/docsroom/documents/46755/attachments/3/translations/en/renditions/native
Oddly, 83CE (83 Premium) is better than 84CE as it can display answers in natural display. Unfortunately 83CE seems to be a regional model. Another oddball is TI82 Advanced Python Edition which looks like a 84 C SE, but with new hardware and python support.
hi, so i just got a ti 84 plus ce python on accident while trying to get the regular ti 84 plus ce, should i exchange it? my school didn’t specify what type of ti 84 exactly, but since school starts again for me very soon, i want to know if its worth exchanging so i can do it right away. i already use python on my computer so idk if its necessary to also have it on my calculator (im new to this type of stuff so sorry if anything i said didnt make sense 😅)
Nah there's no point in exchanging it unless you're getting back a lot of money. You just have an extra feature on your calculator you could find useful in the future :)
@@ShinyTillDawn Sure, Python isn't much good to use, but that doesn't make the rest of the calculator any worse. If you just want to dabble in Python then the calculator can at least provide that functionality.
I am currently using the TI-84 plus silver edition and it has no backlight and I hate it. I went to Amazon and bought a brand new TI-84 plus CE python.
I have to buy a ti 84 for my son for algebra. I was reading the ti 84 plus ce is non cas, which doesn't do algebra and the ti 84 plus is cas and can do algebra. It's this correct? Did I see in the video I could download pineapple cas to the ce. Would that make it work. I rather get the better calculater now so my other children can use it too.
None of the calculators in the TI-84 family have a Computer Algebra System (CAS). This means they cannot provide answers in terms of letters. For example if you gave the TI-84 Plus or TI-84 Plus CE the equation: (2*x)/x it could not simplify that to just x. However, this does not mean the TI-84 family cannot be used in Algebra class. The functions your kids will be using in Algebra will not require CAS. In fact, most teachers do not allow calculators with CAS in the classroom, and CAS is often disallowed on standardized tests. CAS is typically used in more advanced math classes like Calculus. You are correct, the TI-84 Plus CE does have the option to install PineappleCAS from a computer which would give it basic CAS capabilities. I want to stress that PineappleCAS is *not* pre-installed on the calculator and you must intentionally send PineappleCAS from a computer to get it on the calculator. In short, none of the TI-84 calculators have CAS pre-installed and you do *not* need calculator with CAS for Algebra class. Since you care about longevity, I would recommend getting a TI-84 Plus CE since the screen is significantly more robust, and TI is actively supporting it with software updates.
En mexico , hace mas de 15 años cuando habia terminado la secundaria tenia la silver edition , y me iba de maravilla , pero me la robaron.Ahora que estoy apunto de terminar la universidad quiero conseguir una Hp prime, o esperarme a que lanzen apps dedicadas a calcular, ya que dicen que es el futuro de Texas instrument y HP
Im in need of a calculator and have eliminated my contenders to the ti-84 plus ce and the Casio PRIZM FX-CG50. Most of what I've heard Is to get the Casio, but I was wondering if you have a different opinion.
Unfortunately I don't have enough experience with Casio calculators to make a serious recommendation. I do know they make some solid calculators though. I think you'll be satisfied no matter which you choose.
@@TheLastMillennial even though you don't have experience thanks for the feedback. I went with the Casio because it's cheaper, and the high school I'm going to doesn't specify what calculator to get
The new hardware is 4 years old at this point so it's almost guaranteed that a regular TI-84 Plus CE will have the faster hardware. The Python Editions are just an absolute guarantee.
How does pineapple cas’ ability to solve derivative, limits, sums, integrals, and implicit differentiation on a ti 84 plus ce compare to a ti Nspire? I currently use an original ti nspire cas with a touchpad but the ribbon cable is going out so I can’t see my screen and I need to replace it but I don’t want to lose the ability to check my answers. What would you recommend, right now I am considering a new nspire cas or a 84 plus ce python.
I don't believe PineappleCAS can solve indefinite integrals. While it's otherwise very useful for those who have never had access to CAS before, it's nowhere near as feature rich as an Nspire. I'd recommend an Nspire CX II CAS if you care about Python performance as well. If you don't care about Python, a regular Nspire CX CAS will suit you just fine.
Came across your channel, as a hp48 enthusiast, I appreciate your channel. Can you not use android (smartphone) emulators? I suppose cell phones may not be allowed in exams
That would have been a good point to add in the video. Sure you can use cell phone emulators or even better calculator apps. They're good for trying out a calculator's interface before buying one. Wabbitemu is an emulator for Windows and Android. Like you said though, cell phones aren't allowed on exams
That's generally used for middle school students. I don't have much experience with it myself. It'll probably be fine for easy math courses in high school but be warned it may not have all the features you need built in. Looks like there's plenty of apps available to expand its capabilities but they'll require a pricey silver link cable to send.
There is no C, just the CSE and CE.The CSE is a color version of the TI-84 Plus. It even has the same processor which is why it is so abysmally slow. The CE has much better hardware and software than the CSE.
@@itsjasonhere Because the TI-84 Plus CE is the latest calculator by TI. They haven't got the chance to make a silver edition version of it yet. I'm skeptical they'd call it the TI-84 Plus CE SE because that'd complicate their naming scheme even more. Please share the TI-84 Plus C you found, I'd love to see it.
I don't understand what you mean by sloppy here? Not only are higher calculators significantly faster, they have a few more functions that can extremely useful such as left, right, and center for statistics problems. The newest calculator even has Python if that's important to you. I mentioned quite a few other benefits in the video. If you don't have the budget for anything higher than a TI-84 Plus it will absolutely still be sufficient for high school. But higher calculators have many quality of life improvements.
Hello, i love your content, i am also a calculator freek but i have a question... what is the difference between the ti83 premium ce and 84 ce? Thank you for your awesome content
The 83 ce is pretty similar, but it has a very different button layout, and the keys are in French. It also has an exact math engine which let's you get results in fractional and radical form. It also generally gets software updates before the 84 ce.
@@TheLastMillennial Thanks for the answer, I am from Europe (Croatia) and this calculator is on my radar but of course its not available here. I am trying to snipe one on my used reselling site here but to no luck, recently I saw this ti 83 ce and he is willing to sell for around 50ish euros (60$), I am still thinking about it since I go to engineering school and would love one of these for tinkering, let me know should I wait for the ti 84 ce or ce-t or should i pull the trigger on the ti 83 ce. Of course I don't speak French and it will probably bother me a lot. Sorry for the lengthy comment btw
@@TheLastMillennial Thanks a lot, I will buy it soon than. I have some more questions tho, can it run asm? And if the calculator is on older version, what is the best version to upgrade to (or downgrade). Also it you have a discord server that would be really nice.
Yes it can run ASM if you install the artifice jailbreak: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-abB0ZEdQ1rs.html I recommend using OS 5.3.0 (I personally use this version) or 5.4.0 since they have all the important features but without the restrictions. I don't have a dedicated discord server but I'm over on Cemetech.net quite often: discord.gg/DZbmraw
You may be required to get the TI-84 Plus CE -T which has a testing led. This is not the place to get confirmation though, I would contact your teacher or school.
Hi , I need help deciding what calculator is best ti84 plus ce or ti84 plus ce-t python edition? 😢I’m doing research and for some reason can’t seem to get into on the ce-t python edition. Im not sure which one to pick because I’m getting them both for $50
Did the video not help? Honestly it doesn't matter what you get unless you school requires the -T variant. Only the Python Edition can run Python of course. Other than those differences, the calculators operate exactly the same.
