Hey fomo I asked about teaching picture settings. What I meant by picture settings was the individual sets within the picture settings. I understand that picture settings as a whole is subjective. But teaching people the individual settings for example on LG OLED brightness pixel brightness adjust Black Level Auto Dynamic contrast Peak brightness gamma turning them up turning them down and what different numbers can do is what I was meaning. I'm not a content creator and it might be way more time and way more costly than it's worth. But so many people just plug their TV in and put it on a setting and go and then they find themselves absolutely not happy and the only way they know how to change it is by having it taken back and trying a new one which can be exhausting and costly in itself
I am on a super budget. Recently, I upgraded my 40" 1080P Samsung to the 50" 4K Samsung DU7200 for only $329 on sale at Best Buy. It's edge-lit but not all that thin. Oddly enough, the back panel does get warm, but not at the edges, it's warm in the center. But, even if it lasts half as long as the other TV's you mentioned, it's 1/3 the price. I'm 74 and collecting social security so my income is limited and I got what I could afford.
I wish that you would have addressed the possibility of OLED burn in for certain users. My professionally calibrated LG E7 has finally shown this. I can’t complain too much after this many years, but I tend to keep my TVs for a fairly long time (there’s still a Pioneer 600m Kuro in the basement). My use case still has quite a bit of SDR cable and streaming, so processing is extremely important. To be fair, both you, Brian, and others address this in your detailed reviews. So, the 65” E7 will find a new home, and replacement contenders are the 85 inch Bravia 9, one of the remaining X95Ls, or possibly the new LG QNED 90T. I’m eagerly awaiting the results of this weekend’s upcoming shootout. If the Hisense U9N ever hits the market and gets a timely review, I’ll consider it, as well as the Samsungs. I was tempted by last year’s Hisense UX at this year’s blow out price but I’ll hold out. Keep up the good work.
LED can burn in as well, just has a lower chance. The damn things aren't built to last 10+ years anymore, whichever tv you buy will probably fail before you have burn in issues OLED or not. Also modern OLED's don't have a burn in issue unless you're watching something like CNN 24/7 with their silly banner.
I have C6 with no burn in but it does have a weird vertical bar that is only visible on light backgrounds- I also have a C1 83 that has terrible venetian blinding that looks like complete crap in the greys - I get mad while watching it all the time.
I bought a 77 inch LG C3 oled for 2000$ + a cashback of 500$. I'm very happy with that decision. It was a steal. But it's always the risk of burn in. I hope that doesn't become an issue for at least 6 years
Thank you, the FOMO review helped me with my Sony x95L, because I use it with my computer and don't want to risk burning the image. FOMO said that it doesn't have to happen, but according to rtings test, reddit, LG G3 had a burn-in problem. As a monitor, OLED is still a risk and it was confirmed by LG itself that this is not covered by the warranty, I reached out to LG and they wrote me back. That for my use OLED is not a good idea and I should choose another TV or another brand.
They specifically said you cannot take there test as evidence for that. It’s WAYYYYY too small a sample size. Just because 1 or a couple tvs had a problem doesn’t indicate something being a widespread issue.
Thank you, everyone who's not a tech nerd should save this video for future reference when tv shopping. You truly simplified a lot of tv types confusion.
I've noticed that the 800C, amongst other Samsungs, but mostly the 8K models, have visible LEDs. i.e. you can actually see the LEDs and their location. Pure junk. Mostly noticeable when blue is on screen, like a blue sky.
I've been listening to your videos for over a year, you helped me successfully choose my living room tv and I particularly like how you didn't over complicate this video break down. Straight to the main points and easy to follow. Well done
Add the fact the OLED can get burn in issues due to content type and habits. I burned in every type of phosphor and organics (OLED) type of TV out there. That is why I went with the Sony Barvia9. Three of my friends all who have OLED TV, LG, SONY and SAMSAUNG all have burn in issues after about a year. But I will say that the LG had the lease amount of Burn in. The other two are QD-OLED for what it is worth. And these guys are older friends, like myself, and they do not game on them. They watch the news and other channels with banners. SO content matters when decided in what type of TV to get. Also LCD last longer the OLED TVs that just the facts.
@@klaymatic3751 hi no gaming at all just type of content that people my age older who watch news channels, and other channels with banners that is a problem for all LEDs
My Lg C2 has zero burn in after 18 months of mixed use. Doubt any Lg oled under 3 years has this issue as their technology prevents this plus pixel refresh.
Hi fomo. Hope you and your family fine. Thanks for the video. Looking forward to the shootout. Not for what it is but what you and brian make it userfriendly , very knowledgeable and funfilled. Thanks a lot.
GREAT Breakdown...I'm looking for a 55" that's the great for Live Sports and Streaming . Looking for GOOD Upscaling as well with Good Viewing Angles . I don't game at all. Going from a Panasonic ST60 Plasma that still looks great....The Sony A95L
Awesome information. We are buying a new TV for our living room and was going with the Sony Bravia but our couch is long so I need the OLED since I normally am regulated to the end of the sofa....hahahaha! Thank you so very much.
Awesome explanation. Thanks for sharing. I can't justify replacing my 65" LG nano (I assume some type of QLED), but at least I understand it a bit better. I just picked up what is termed a "mini LED" ultra wide monitor for my PC. It seems to do much much better with blacks and blooming.
You failed to mention that OLEDs in ANY form or technology CAN'T SUSTAIN the brightness for a long time and the degrade more rapidly than LCD/LED TVs. Also, even the bright LG pales in a bright room environment , that IS the most common TV environment around the world
How bright of a room is bright? Are we talking just your normal ambient light from windows with the curtains closed or wide open windows and every available light turned on? I would think it's a relative term. For example, I live in a 2bdrm apt and my current old TV sits across from a big glass west facing sliding door to my balcony that has dark curtains that stay closed pretty much 24/7. Just opening them slightly creates a glare that's annoying. The only light entering the space is from light bleed around those curtains and ambient light from other parts of the apt; kitchen, bathroom, and bedroom windows that have closed vertical blinds.
@@droidattack2888 The edge lighted TVs are the most common to fail, or those that are always driven hard at max brightness. My experience in TV stations favors LCD TV for their durability and less processing to protect organic compounds that by nature degrades. Having gone through CRTs, PLASMAs and OLEDs, my preference and recommendations are still good LCDs. That could change if Microleds ever make it to the common public.
I've had the A90J for three years and could upgrade to any display but there isn't any logical reason to. It's bright enough for me and the picture is stellar.
Nice video FOMO with helpful info. Interesting that you say you would put the G4's and S95D's brightness up there with the Bravia 9. You should know since you've compared with the reference monitor 😃. Lots of folks still balk at OLED"s lack of full screen brightness compared to MiniLEDs and lower peak brightness (~1500nits OLED vs ~3000nits+ for MiniLeds). Are you saying that real world watching, the difference isn't that great?
Correct - full screen brightness (100% stimulus white) of the Bravia 9 is brighter but that does not exist in real content. The Bravia 9 is bright and arguably among the brightest on window stimulus tests but in real content the G4 and S95D match it scene for scene (65" size of course). ALSO, please remember that firmware updates may improve B9 performance or worsen OLED performance so things may change in 3 mnonths!
People's that leave comments like I watch the new, sports, and its on in the back round, or my room is very bright. Just get a mini led but in no way are you actually trying to watch tv the best way possible. Local dimming zones and bright rooms will never have the best hdr picture. Whats to argue about and be confused about. I never get that depth that oled and qd oled give me.
QD7 is -- QLED . U7N is mini led ! Mini led r way better . Usually 4X local dimming zones ! QD7 still good tho . It’s good entry mid range QLED . For example Sony X90L is -- QLED . Sony X93L n X95L r mini LED . Then SONY X85K(matted screen ) , X80K r -- old tech direct LED . No local dimming , kinda like premium version of Hisense Roku entry . Not even the Roku with QLED(still glossy ) . QD7 is innsane value . It’s d best thing for lowest cost . But U7K is much advanced , brighter , higher local dimming , better speakers (🔊 with sub woofer ? U7N U8K U8N has high end chip -- can do 4k “^7^ 144hz 🖥️ pc Gamming . Console 120hz plug in n play. I assume QLED qd7 is has lesser HZ. Just fine toning also ULED line has 18 feet high sensitivity Voice command sensor Z u can talk to TV 📺 talk to tv remote . It can search “👀…. Show “ u don’t have to type it out on key board or SHOUT at the TV for voice commands . U can tell tv to shut off etc . Lots perks.
Recently bought TCL X955 after owning 3 OLED TVs earlier, 77” C1 being the last. Do I prefer the inky black from OLED, of course. But with the contrast control and size of the mini leds, easy choice. Now with 98” I would probably need a 100+ OLED to make the next switch.
Motion blur and Ghosting is mini led TV's greatest flaw.without a doubt OLED close to instant pixel response blows mini led out of the water when it comes to gaming
Look at the new Bravia, not a big issue anymore at all. OLED is old and flawed tech that doesn't get bright enough and has bad longevity with inevitable burn in issues sooner or later.
Good stuff, thanks. The spreadsheet you put together in previous years helped me a ton btw. I will say that I think the Frame looks great in a bright room. Not sure what it is, but looks better than a Edge-lit has any right to. Maybe it's the help of the Matte screen destroying all reflections too. Some of the art that they have on there though def. suffers from the lack of true black. Looks more grey than anything else.
I have a 77 Sony A80J and I'm very happy with it!!!!! I stream Netflix,prime,etc. I also watch movies on blu ray and 4k blu rays!!! If I upgrade it will probably be a QD OLED 83 inch whenever they come out with it!!!! I wonder if the QD OLED is worth the upgrade????????
I have an acient 2011 LED edge lit 3D Sharp TV that's keeps going and going. That thing has been on for an average of 16 hours a day, every day since I got it in 2011. Still looks great, but has been relegated to bedroom use. Wonder if newer TV's will last that long?
I ditched my S95B for a Sony Bravia7. This is the most impressive TV I have ever had. My previous TVs were: Panasonic VT 20EA,LG B7, Samsung S95B. As you can see this is my first LED TV. Bravia 7 outclassed all those tvs except OLEDS pitch blacks but B7 has a very good backlight system even in a pitch black room,the blooming is invisible. Brightness,color saturation,shadow details,color accuracy significantly outclassed my previous TVs. I was an OLED fanatic but not anymore
@Icipher4 Color accuracy,saturation,higher color volume,way higher brightness. This TV reaches over 2.000nits in it's most accurate picture preset. The processor. Even sub HD images looks outstanding. Dolby Vision content on this TV dropps my jaw on the floor everytime.
@@cenktheangel very cool. I have an S90C 77 in which is basically the same TV as S95B on my main floor and have a 85-in Bravia being delivered on Sunday but have been second guessing myself and hoping that it will be at least as good if not better than the Samsung I currently have. Has your Bravia 7 been able to keep up in darker scenes? Are you really noticing any weaknesses compared to the OLED?
@Icipher4 My complaints with OLEDS were: WOLEDs lose alot of color saturation,accuracy and brightness under higher brightness conditions and totally the reverse on QDOLEDs lose alot of saturation,accuracy under lower brightness conditions. Due to self emmissive characteristics OLEDs are really bad in terms of shadow details (acknowledged it after I bought the B7) Backlight system of this TV is literally very good. I am a person who watches his TV mostly on a dark room and Backlight works extremely impressive,even on DV content never noticed any blooming or grayed black bars. The viewing angle of course is very poor compared to OLED but it is a no issue for cos I always watch TV directly on front of it. Contrast is very good but again not OLED level also not an issue cos it delivers really contrastfull,bright and accuratly saturated images.
IMO, I think micro contrast needs to speperated from blooming going forward. Bravia 9 makes blooming acceptable for even most oled fans.... But, within a bright scene lots of detail is created through micro contrast. Would love to see this topic discussed.
I have had my edge lit tv for 8 years and it wasent new when i baught its a 2014 model and still going strong panasonic king off picture quality and durability
Never had OLED or Mini-LED. Would love an OLED 1st, but watch A LOT of sports with scoreboards/banners and worry about burn in, which would likely piss me off. Hate to drop OLED, but seems I’m headed to 75” Bravia7 or wait to see if Bravia9 price drops? Have had Samsungs for 20 yrs., wanting to try Sony.
@@muzaaaaak Yes, but the S90D is pretty much as good, depending on your needs better, than the S95D. Image quality wise the difference is neglectible. Only issue is Samsung doesn't guarantee that you'll get the latest panel with the S90D.
@@muzaaaaak Oh wait, I missed that you were talking about 83". Then S90D and C4 use the same panel. But LG is better at processing etc., so I'd go for the C4. Easy one.
After owning the Dell Alienware AW3225QF QD-OLED. I think it IS the best tech in for picture. Color is amazing. I tried to like the Bravia 9, it was bright. But, it looked Very washed out because of color loss because it was Too bright. I am buying the 77" Sony A95L or if they come out with a new model before I actually purchase, then I will get whatever is newest at the time. Going to wait for Christmas sales.
@@kenpe1455 it's not Just a brightness issue where a brightness slider fixes the issue. if you knew anything about tvs, you'd know that. the bravia 9 is designed to hit 3k peak brightness in hdr, but those highlights wash out because that how it works. you can't "fix" it by turning the brightness slider. QD OLED has WAY more color volume at peak brightness and doesn't wash out like LED.
@@mgaming7 Not washed out at all this is the biggest lie this year I also have that monitor and its very dim that’s probably what you’re use to. It’s nice to use at night.
@@NexGenTek its not a lie. it's washed out compared to oled. watch a few video on color volume and Why it washes out, unlike QD OLED that has way more color volume at peak brightness. just because you need to validate your "poor man's G4" (a direct quote from fomo) doesn't mean QD-OLED isn't better. The ONLY reason to buy the B9 is if you live in a super bright room and won't notice the color washing.
When comparing Rtings's reviews for the Sony non mini-LED X90L with the Hisense U8N and TCL 2024 QM8, I'd still go with the Sony. After comparing the Rtings reviews, I'm still satisfied with my X90L even though it might have more blooming and its highlights might not get as bright because of its accuracy and the various other areas of importance to me it excels in all at once. I got my Sony 85-inch X90CL from Costco for $2,000 in December of 2023 and even after checking out Rting's reviews of the 2024 offerings, I couldn't be happier about how the Sony X90CL falls perfectly within that sweetspot of performance, size, and price. I still wait for its rival within this sweetspot, but none of the reviews have revealed such results at this moment.
@@stopthefomo It depends on what's more important I guess. For this price range, if deep black levels, minimal blooming, and extra bright specular highlights are most important, then the Hisense U8N and TCL 2024 QM8 would be the way to go. If pre-calibration color accuracy, shadow detail, gradient handling, and PQ EOTF tracking are more important, then for the price, I prefer the Sony X90L from 2023 which is still being carried over. At this price, we have to pick our poison. If money was no object, I'd have a Sony 85-inch Bravia 9 on one cart and a 77-inch Sony A95L on the other cart. I'd choose which one to roll into my viewing area based on ambient lighting, time of day, what I'm watching, etc.. While not many of us can afford it including myself, having a Sony 85-inch Bravia 9 on one cart and a 77-inch Sony A95l on another cart is perfection. My reservations about the LG G4 is its less saturated color due to its WOLED panel.
FOMO - I can get the Samsung QN90C in 85" for $2k (government employee discount). Good deal? I have a large, bright room with lots of windows and the TV faces the lake (additional reflection/glare) so OLED is out of the question. I also do exactly ZERO gaming. Thanks.
are the S90D's safe to get yet? are they all QD-OLEDs now? i was in bestbuy today. and the display model was the same super thin frame as the S95B i have. i thought they upgraded the frame back on the S90C even? is there a model number to look for? please assist. wth is the S85D? is that all W-OLED's? are S90D all QD-OLED in USA?
Excellent topic as always FOMO, thank you FOMO, would do you go with 85inch x85k Sony for 8 feets viewing distance or should i get 65" flagship oled tv?
According to the secret Sony service menu I've got over 25,000 hours on my X95K. It was a best buy open box so I guess it ran 24/7 but I've been using it heavily for over a year now with zero issue and for $800 I'm not complaining. An LCD made with quality capacitors in the power supply is going to give you your money's worth no doubt about it.
Does anyone do longevity tests? I have tvs from the 90s and early 2000s that still work great. I just want to know how long a tv will last. I hear TCL and Hisense do not last very long.
the best combination by LED (LCD) is Direct Lit (present as Mini LED), Quantum Dot, Mini LED FALD, HDR and this have i as 27" IPS PC Monitor but as TV it not exist in smal Sizes and this is very bad.
I’m trying to decide between a 65” qd OLED or a 75” mini led. It’s tough. Similar price, but I want a 75-77” tv as I’m viewing from 9’+ depending on the exact seat. Currently I have the s90d 65” and I do love it, I just wish it was a tad larger. But the 77” price is out of my reach.
wanted hisense u8n 55" but unfortunately hisense doesn't offer uniform performance among it's tvs depending on region. North American TVs perform better, if hisense fixed this I would happily get mini led TV.
What's the best option for watching movies /tv series in a dark room? No sports or broadcast television, I'm thinking about LG g3 77 for the black Friday, but that size is never in stock on the LG website
hi, i am eyeing on Samsung QN900D 85inch, LG C4 83inch, or bravia 9 85inch. Viewing distance is about 10f away from the TV, the largest TV that i can fit is 85inch. I am not a gamer and we are watching movie and daily TV programme. Which one would you recommend for my setting?
Author can you answer: why are LG's OLED TVs only getting worse? I liked the c6 model more in Dolby Vision than the c2!It seems to me that black used to be more pleasant, and all the colors are not so poisonous!! LG OLED C6 THE BEST 😁😁
My C1 83 sucks for gaming - there is a slight dirty screen effect in white/blues right in the middle of the screen - when my eye catches it, emersion is dead. This combined with the venetian blinding in greys makes this one of my worst purchases ever.
mancave is 24 long 21 wide sit around 12 ft away people over they sit everywhere ...have the 2019 65 lg b9 should i get 85 inch u8n open box qn85c for 1500 or 100 inch u76 ..only watch sports minor gaming and movies
Thanks for your insight. I am stuck in FOMO! Ordered an U76N 100" ($2000) from Best Buy. It isn't mini LED but can't justify 50% more for U8 ($3,000) for mini. Do you think the U8 is worth the 50%? I'm not a gamer but do like old school (less than 4k) movies.
Go miniled like a TCL U7N, love mine. Picture quality is great and you see so much improvement over a regular LED. I notice better black levels and a more uniform picture like your shirt and hat in the video. I can see more detail and what they are made out of
The only real difference between older FALD LED backlights and Mini LED is the price, a high quality LED diode purchased individually costs about a dollar (from flashlight suppliers), even at half that rate a TV with thousands of zones would be prohibitively expensive. Mini LED is just an economic requirement for thousands of zones. That said Mini LED really needs thousands of zones to justify its price.
I’ve had the Bravia for 3 weeks now and it has surpassed all my expectations and the black levels are insane. I honestly didn’t think it was possible to get inky blacks on mini-led but Sony has found a way.
