Which water bottle cage will survive the bottle smasher? 

The point of the test was to be as brutal as possible, not to simulate ideal conditions. Mountain bike trails are rough.

I glued my bottle in my cage, now when I needa drink i just stop turn my bike up side down over my head = problem solved.👍🚲👍.

How to make a Seth's Hacks video: 1) Wait for wife to go to work 2) Do big jumps with bad wrist 3) Profit!

...the next week Orthopedic: "yeah have you been riding" Seth:"uh..no" Orthopedic: " yea, we're gonna have to amputate."

Hi Seth. Here is a bottle cage hack for you: I use a cheap aluminum bottle cage and have never lost a bottle. Even after jumps, drops, or crashes. I loop an elastic hair tie around the top of the cage and loop the other end around the nose of the bottle. It takes one extra motion to get the bottle out, but a small price to never lose a bottle. I hope this is useful to you!

The best bottlecage involves some duct tape and a lack of dignity

Who thought that the bottle was going to land on the cap on 3:46?

I don`t understand why some bikebrands put the bottle Cage under the down tube....you get all the mud, dust and dogpoop from the front wheel

Well to be fair tho some people don’t have theirs upside down

Those of us who had to pack our rucks in the Army know how helpful those loop and hook strips can be. Those of us who bought Diamondback have a whole lot of them for free

Seth: never ride while injured Also Seth: let’s send this northshore drop

There is now a specialized zee with a integrated Multi tool!

Haha, I was sitting here at work watching the vid and my co-worker asked what you were making.. it took a few minutes to explain 😂

A lot of those cages would have done far better on the bike simply because the upward slant and many on them would have done entirely better mounted on the inside of the frame. However I do appreciate the attempt at a fair test.

I really don’t understand why he didn’t put the bottles on the 2x4 at an angle just like it would be on a bike frame (but still a really good video and very entertaining)

One big issue is that no bike will position the bottle upside-down and vertical. Even on your less popular bike design the bottle is locate about 40 degree up. In any condition you'll land from a drop wile your bottle is horizontal, you'll go OTB. Personally tested the Syncros cage in multi locations double diamond courses, and never lost a bottle. Nice video :)

Hi Seth, I have a zee cage on my Full sus and a Top Peak Ninja on my hardtail. I've never lost a bottle on the zee but have dropped a bottle off the ninja before. So basically I agree with your results and recommend zee from experience! Good video mate.

Seth is just basically finding a perfect reason to ride his mtb. What a legend.

Engineer student here. I loved your test. It seemed to be very repeatable and giving consistent amounts of force to the bottles. That being said bottle cages aren’t designed to face forces in that way, perpendicular to their mounting points, which is why you found that most bottles slipped their cages at 16 inches. If you do a more vertical test ie replicating the angle of a down tube and perform the test again you may get different results. I really enjoy your videos and I greatly appreciate the amount of effort you went to to make this test and all of your videos

It's awesome how much work/thought you put into your videos. Just far beyond what most other folks are doing. Keep it up!

Pretty great test, but I want to know if you've explored that dungeon across the street?

I have a few other bottles that doesn’t use a cage, fidlock and fabric cageless. Worth checking out!

Excellent job, Seth. The new lav mic and tiny differences in editing gave this video a super polished and professional feel that I loved. Keep up the good work, and I can't wait to see you on the bike again!

I'm so hyped you reviewed the zee cage. I have it in 2 or my 4 bikes w. The specialized rib cage in my road bikes. Love the price point too

Hands down probably my favorite RU-vid channel. Keep it up and come ride spider mountain again

1:39 Seth looks as if he’s doing a presentation at school

The zee is also great for sideloading bottles into small FS frames. Nice to see it win your test after I had just bought one for my bike last weekend!

I've had the specialized Z cage for like four years now and I've never dropped a bottle (I don't use a strap on it either). I had full water bottles in it and took it on three trips to Moab, two trips to Crested Butte, Sedona, and like a 30 other smaller MTB trips around Colorado. Great vid as always!

isnt the waterbottle cage to be the other way around?

I have that specialized bottle cage! It came with my bike

Somehow you made a video about bottle cages entertaining and informative. Keep up the good work

Great test. Appreciate your dedication to help bikers find their way through setting their bike up the best way. Good use of time especially as you were injured. I will use this info to help chose my cage

The force from the tests is pushing the bottle out of the opening at the top of the cage. On lots of peoples bikes where the bottle cage is one the other side of the down tube to yours, the force is being pushed down to the bottom of the cage.

What if you have a bottle cage that fits facing upwards? That's how mine is

I don’t know why but I really liked the style of start of the video, where you speak directly to us

Nice comparison! Pretty impressive rig you crafted to test the two, that drop at the end looked fun!

Should the title not be "which bottle cage will survive the bottle smeasher"?

I feel like this review is a bit subject to where you mount your bottle. Seth's mounting point is under his down tube, whereas if you mounted it on top of the down tube I believe most of these would be a viable option only because instead of all the impact force being diverted onto the weakest part of the cage it would be diverted towards where the cage is mounted. Source: I mount my z cage on top of my down tube and it works phenomenally well.

I always like your videos, they are entertaining. In 25+ years of riding, road, gravel and mountain biking I’ve lost zero bottles. Even after a couple of crashes. Keep making the videos, they are neat.

Seth, your video is totally science! You tested your products consistently and used empirical evidence to make your decisions! Well done, sir!

"Like a bomb from an airplane" :D Damn that one was perfect!

Seth: One drop and thats it Also Seth: **does second drop**

Its been a few years since I've road. Getting a bike this weekend. Probably Marlin 4. Your channel has me excited.

Ditching the back pack has been a game changer. This is a fun test..Just got a bike with the bottle mount underneath the top tube, so I need the sturdiest cage I can find. This helps

Your test was not very accurate because the bottle holders are designed to be held at an angle facing up like they are on your bike. Your testing thing is a good idea just needs to be tweaked a bit. Great video BTW

Should have called it bottle smeash test

I believe a cage I've purchased was identical to the second one you've tested. It's dropped several bottles of water but I've come to find that it holds Gatorade bottles amazingly well. I will designate it solely for those bottles.

i recently bought a Scott aspect hard tail and i was going to buy a water bottle holder and this video helped to pick one thank you

“The bottle smasher” sound so intense 😂😂 this new format is looking great, also more professional

You put a lot of work into your videos and you deserve more subscribers!

I know this video is a little older, but would be great to have an updated video that includes the Fidlock water bottle to see how it survives. Great Video

Seth mate, love the close up shots with the use of the GoPro KEEP IT UP !!!

Physics time! The equation you are looking for is angular speed - 2 * pi * frequency. And angular speed - velocity * radius. Calculate frequency by working out how many degrees of a circle it would go through in 1 second. Or find the time period (the time for one full revolution) and divide one by time period. Remember we are working in radians!!

Seth could u please do the fabric cage less water bottle

Great reviews! I use the ARUNDEL LOONEY CAGE. It is adjustable , for smaller and larger bottles . Its ratcheting adjuster has always kept my bottle in place .

This is the type of content I love from Seth It’s creative, entertaining, and most certainly informative.❤️

It sounded like without (strap) modifications, the crappy aluminum cage actually did comparatively well? I really appreciate you doing some science on this.

I use a specialized see cage and use a Velcro strap that I got from an enduro race timing chip on the wrist. It works great. Also have an older see cage on my trail bike that I've NEVER lost a bottle out of

The key is the fit of the bottle. I had a bottle cage with a little piece of plastic that stuck out at the top of the cage, it fit perfectly into a recess in the bottle. It fit like a dream until I lost the bottle at the gym.

wow This video was super helpful because I’ve been looking for a cage for my bike because other other one has lost around 3-4 bottles

Hey seth! Love your videos... for this video as far as I know from experience your test is inaccurate as the cages are horizontal when they should be in an inclined position. I feel as though most of the cages that failed were designed to be installed in an inclined position as opposed to a horizontal position. Such small details make significant differences in terms of force

i freaking lost a bottle after watching this -_- *facepalm*

"Somewhat irresponsible" he says. Lol. Speedy recoveries, Seth. Will be glad to see you back on the trails in full speed. Great vid too.

I love your videos. I also use the 1up EDC Tool. My PSA so you don't face palm: 1. When it is bottle cage mounted, frequently check during rowdy rides that the top of the teardrop shape of the inner tool faces away from your frame. Likewise, as you smash the trail the pump handle can surpass the o-ring's friction seal and allow for a more leveraged 'whaping' on your frame which can lead to undesirable scuffing of your paint and even carbon. 2. If you store a Powerlock link inside the tool, place a piece of tape or apply some grease to them so they stay put. I've stopped to help a buddy tighten a bolt only to later find that I had lost one half of a Powerlock. 3. Seemingly obvious but, after you use the pump, carefully place the male end of the rubber cap back into the female rubber valve nozzle. If it has grit on it from your shred, and you jam it in there willy-nilly, your could create a wizard sleeve scenario that degrades the function of the end cap's ability to seal air while pumping or using CO2. Sorry if there is too much info or if these comments were already made. Come shred in Ft. Collins!

Hey man, I've been wanting to get into mountain biking and I've been watching your vids. They're helpful, instructional, and entertaining haha 👍 I have a question though... I recently saw a 20" mountain bike with front and back suspension and 7 speeds at a shop. Now, it IS marketed as a child's bike, but the fact that some people do ride 20" bmx bikes regularly makes me wonder if that bike would be suitable for an adult as well. I'm a pretty short guy (5'5"), and was wondering if that 20" instead of a 26" would lend me more manuverability and and control. It just seems like it would be a cool lil bike to have. I appreciate any insight, thanks! -Martin

how about trying the fabric water bottle? it has a pretty interesting design and mine hasn't failed on me yet

Been riding without a pack for more than a year now, can't beat the free feeling you get and the dry back and shirt make it well worth it. I use a frame pack for tools and a top tube pack for nutrition, the B-RAD Double Barrel Bottle cage adapter holds two Lezyne Power Bottle Cages and I haven't had a bottle fall off since switching to these.

Good review Seth. Very creative. Fwiw, I've been a huge fan of Zee cages for several years. Never lost a bottle on one.

You are a smart fellow, I would have done something much dumber. Great vids

Awesome...I bet the Iron Maiden will hold a bottle...water...not so much. Seth, you are king of medieval torture devices for bikes.

Wow! I was worried about that jump, glad you make it 😱

Love this new way of the episodes!👍🏼 keep it up!

Missed opportunity to name this video "Bottle cage SMEASH test" 😂

this video should be call *"seth does science*

This video is like those « science test » video that you can see sometimes on TV, but way better because of MTB related. Amazing content once again !!!

i use the z cage with a SWAT multi tool integrated on it like the topeak one. love it, never lost a bottle and always have a tool on me

I'm gonna channel my old service manager, and scold you thusly: Never put a tap in a drill! Tap threads by hand. Forward a half turn, then backward a quarter turn to break the chips, and with plenty of cutting fluid.

I don't think any of these are actually designed for mounting on the bottom of the down tube.

There is much simple solution - bicycle jersey! 3 pockets where you can carry so many things. It does not affect sweat distribution or aerodynamics and when you get used to it, you won't even notice the carries in there. My typical setup: phone + id, mini pump, and a multi-fool, bottle of Vine 0.7L.

Hey seth Love this video I have the specialized z cage on my stump jumper never had a problem with it falling out only had my bike for 2 years so far and the cage works fine

I don’t want to be rude but won’t the water bottle be on the other side and by the way you are the best

Say what you want, I'm on the high school mountain bike team and we ride 3-4 times a week, and I have never lost a bottle on my cheap aluminum holders

Prima hilfreiche Tipps bei den Trinkflaschen z.B.das Gummiband und Fixierung mit dem Klettband 👍👍👍👍👍

I don't know why but I like yours voiceovers but all your videos are so freaking amazing good

Come back to jd park in Florida!!! They have done tons to it since you left and it’s basically a bike park

How to make tool box for bike can make a video

Outstanding work! Thank you!

I'm currently using a Fidlock bottle "cage" and it works great off anything I could throw at it including drops hard enough to bottom out my fork and shock. I was using a Fabric "cage" before that and it did really well too. The Fabric might be slightly more secure but the Fidlock has yet to lose a bottle either way and is super cool.

Will those wooter bottles also accept water?

Nice idea to make a repeatable test. I was looking for a bottle cage set up for the upcoming MTB enduro race season. Hope that with a Zee on top of my downtube it will keep the bottle. Could you make review on tyre inserts if you use one (like cushcore or Procore ) It could be interesting for a lot of viewers. Would you still keep a replacement tube on your frame ?

Hey Seth thanks so much for this video .I love these product reviews in your unique style . awesome you made a contraption for this . would like you to see you do a test in the same manner with the bottle mounted on top of the device as most people are talking about in the comments section most mountain bikes run the bottle in this position in which the force through the bottle cage are alot different.

There is a lot of variables effecting the bottles cages you tested. 1. Bottle cages is not mounted in a 180 degree angle. 2. You tested the “front” part of the bottle cages (some cages are designed to do that) the part where it holds is mostly at the bottom. 3. Some cages are designed to be easily accessible while riding your bike (mostly on road riding and flat ground riding not trails) and thus can effect the sturdiness of your bottle on a cage.

8:22 if he kills himself SMH

What's the deal with that dark passage right across from your house?

The Zee cage is great for compact frames as it’s a side loading cage. I have a Topeak Ninja T Mountain bracket under a Zee cage with a Lezyne mini pump. It’s a nice setup but not sure it beats your EDC pump & tool.

I would love to see you test the Specialized Roll Water Bottle Cage, I’ve used one for 2 years (inside my front triangle) and never had an issue, I have it rotated to allow access from the right side, I think the fact that the opening is lateral instead of in the direction of impact helps hold it better. And it was cheap at about $15.

Fantastic! Now can you figure out how to mount my GH5, Tripod, Mavic Air, and spares on my Yeti? I will pay you with one whole internet.

Stupid test the cages arent at the correct angle so whats the point

Love your positivity Seth!

Loving the sound quality 👍