instead theyll sit through a 20 minute video of a random guy discussing how whisker busicits will take a fraction of a number off your fps when in reality its miniscule and video could have been 2 minutes like this one. where he showed with example.
Absolutely true! The fletchings are helical, so they accelerate rotation faster based on the density of what they are traveling through, in this case a dense mat of bristles verse only air for the drop away.
Great video. I had a WB on my Quest and a buddy gave me his old Hostage rest claiming I would get faster speeds and tighter groups, the exact opposite was the case. Always had a few fliers in every set but different arrows. ( Have them all numbered ). Switched back to the WB and now I'm Back to knocking off nock's. IMO, slow motion video is one of the BEST ways to capture bad tuning and shooting form. Great job and keep up the informative videos 👍
I have a hostage rest and have been thinking about switching to a whisker biscuit. Thank you for this comment. Helped me make my decision. Some groups I shoot great and others...I end up with a wild flyer. Cant hurt to try.
Your rest was probably out of tune and making contact with the fletchings. Pretty sure that’s what is happening to mine so I’m going back to WB for hunting season and maybe try dropaway again next year
Without moving the sight the biscuit will have a impact 4 to 5 inches higher at 20 yards compared to the hdx . This is pretty much true with any fall-away vs fixed rest.
I shot whisker biscuits, qad drop away, limb savors and I couldn’t tell the difference. I have more Robin Hood’s with Quaker biscuits but I also had more damaged fletchings, in hunting situations a biscuit has better arrow capture, a vapor has more contact longer and less resistance all in all shoot what you like or can afford
I've done a lot of high speed (some of it on this channel) and I haven't found any particular benefit to very high spin rates. Yes, arrows (especially fixed blades) need some spin, but regular helical with a non-contact rest starts to spin plenty soon enough anyway. I certainly don't think it's worth the wrinkled up and twisted vanes that are apparent immediately after the heavy contact with the WB bristles. Your mileage may vary.
@@1nestly that's what I was wondering because you definetly see it wrinkle heavily coming thru the biscuit. I really enjoy watching your videos and reading your input on AT. Thanks for sharing this with us.
Everyone knows it's drop away rests because they cost a fortune and everyone knows that when you spend a ton of money on equipment you're automatically a better archer, yeah right! I've been shooting recurves for years, there is none of this bs. Use a whisker biscuit then when you miss you can blame it on that rest, seriously this crap is out of control! I'd rather get one rest and just shoot the hell out of it and get as good as I can with it. I guarantee you the rest isn't the problem when you're missing your shots, it's you because you don't take the time to practice like you should.
I have had a few WBs on my bows.. My RPM360 has a vapor trail pro & i shoot out to 80yards... My Obsession Fusion6 has a WB & i shoot out to 65 - Only because im out of pins.......... Definitely the best trouble free rest ever made.
Whisker plus bad weather = hunt over! There was 2 of us hunting browns with our guides and my buddy had to pass on a big brown due to his Biscuit being frozen up from the crappy weather. We ended up drying it out and making a cover with a baggie. I tried one back in the late 90's and they were pretty miserable.
Seams like the arrow going through the whisker biscuit started turning sooner. Do you want the arrow flying straight or should it spiral through the air?
I like the wisker biscuit just need harder schorten vains perfect also the speed is almost always the same +- 1 whit drop away it is +- 5 en yes rotation is faster
As I have said before, nothing really wrong either way both a pretty good option. Both have draw backs. The fall the way primarily is cost and set up. The whisker biscuit is definitely a speed reducer albeit only a couple of feet per second. The biggest drawback to a whisker biscuit is it is extremely hard on your fletching’s. If you shoot a lot you will either destroy your fletching’s or your whisker biscuit will wear out which tends to move your groups.
it's actually hard on your whisker biscuit, but it's very easy to replace the whiskers, and really fletching an arrow now is easy as ever with the Arizona fletching jigs.
Biggest draw back to using a whisker biscuit in my opinion is in late season hunts where you are dealing with snow/rain & colder temps with snow & ice buildup on rest/arrow and then drawing bow to shoot when have deer around.
That's the only draw back to a biscuit, I use reel magic on mine when it's that cold, figure if it keeps my ice fishing reels from icing up so quick then it's fine for my biscuit.
The major issue, is that the arrow remains in contact with the rest longer when using the whisker biscuit, it is accurate if you hold still for as long as possible after release. Just a small movement can send the arrow off target, I find that the drop away is more forgiving and of course increases speed a little bit. However a drop away rest has moving parts, which can be a major issue. 🤷♂️ pick your poison.
@@DakotaDinwoodie the fletching isn't good for that whisker biscuit. I think those were 2in blazers and they just flop around like crazy. Really, I don't know why Blazers are so popular, they are not the best...probably easier to tune your arrow with.
YUP,. just install, fairly TOUGH / STIFF ( and NOT,.. too Tall ) Vanes and,.. the W B is, Awesome ! THREE,. 2.6 to 3 inch, X .400 - .500 Tall Vanes with, 2* -3* Helical, will Drive Most of the reasonably sized, Fixed Blade B H's,.. Perfectly ! AAE's 2.7" Stealth Max, VaneTec's 3" V-Maxes and 2.5" Bohning Heat Vanes, ALL,.. "Get it Done" !
@@DakotaDinwoodieFletching swinging erratically? I saw a spin beginning from the biscuit arrow before the other. As far as Any loss of speed negligible in fps, and the biscuit is probably 98% Less Likely to fail in the field. Why do you think Most archers have a back up mechanical in the box of stuff
i had a whiskers biscuit and a drop away rest but the drop away is very accurate compare to whiskers biscuit. i would definitely use the drop away rest.
I had both...there is a big difference..one day i was at a bow 3D target range...they had targets from 15 yards out to 75 yards...i was using the biscut that day and realize that at longer range it was horrible...but at that time i didnt know it was the biscut problem..3 months later i got a another bow that was newer and had a drop away on it...huge difference at longer distance...only thing with the biscut is its ok only if you stay under 20 yards...anything over that you are looking for trouble
You need to tune the bow better with the WB on. I shoot exactly the same at 60 yards with my WB or the drop away rest. Bad day i get about six inch groups and on good days, about two inches. WB are harder to tune but when tuned they are just as accurate.
Unless of course the drop away is out of tune or seizes in inclement weather or makes a noise and gives your position away. Stuff that doesn't happen with the whisker biscuit.
Watching these makes me seriously consider switching out my QAD HDX and going back to my Whisker Biscuit. The various issues with drop-aways (i.e. timing, cord attachments to cables/strings/limbs, etc.) just don't exist with WB. I killed deer while using my WB before I was talked into the superiority of a drop-away. Makes me wonder and appreciate the simplicity of the WB.......
Yep exactly, feathers. You don't need to rely on fletching if your arrows are tuned & flying as perfect as possible. Feathers have little resistance with penetration or with a biscuit. A hunting rig should be simple & functional!
One rest makes contact with the arrow as it leaves the bow, the other rest does not. One Rest slows the arrow down a small bit, the other rest does not. This is a fairly simple logic that any extra variables added to a shot are not beneficial. Maybe there will not a noticeable difference on your groups at 20-30 yards, but why risk it with the biscuit? Cool video tho! nice work
The Whisker Biscuit, especially the new, redesigned version, has far more advantages than drawbacks and they don't make really any significant difference whatsoever for hunting applications. Perhaps if you're more a competition shooter than a hunter, then I'm sure you'll have specially designed or customized arrow rests that will not create whatever minute negative effects a Whisker Biscuit causes in an arrow's flight, but all in all, the biscuit design is pretty solid.
@@Labradorslobber I already read the reviews and they are great. Most of the negative reviews are on the most expensive model and all the better reviews are on the lower end model, but you shouldn't just look at the reviews, you should read the reasons people give for their negative reviews... they clearly don't know what they're talking about. Not to mention I own and use a Whisker Biscuit and it works flawlessly. Poorly thought out negative reviews end up being meaningless when personal results negate them. If you're going to say they're junk back it up with actual experience or valid reasons, not based on a few ignorant bad reviews and if you simply don't like the Whisker Biscuit for whatever reason, don't buy one, don't use one... problem solved.
Awesome video!!! This helps me make my decision. There seems to be SOOO much back and forth about wether or not Whisker Biscuits help or hurt arrow flight. This settles it for me! Through all of my research NO ONE has talked about or shown the vanes going through the whiskers and the helical going through the whiskers causing the arrow to spin. But I think this would cause the arrow to stabilize faster in turn giving much better accuracy and arrow flight. I'm ordering a whisker biscuit right away.
Legitimate points. A WB absolutely does cause the arrow to "spin up" faster. However, I have other videos that show that spin rate alone doesn't necessarily equal greater accuracy/stability. Most of my videos are offered "as-is", and I generally avoid offering conclusions, I'm merely trying to show what happens and let everyone decide for themselves what to think about it.
Got my first buck with a whisker biscuit. I "upgraded" my rest and lost my first deer with a drop away. So, I'm back on whisker biscuits. They difference under 40 yards between the two can't even be measured because the arrow hits it's target in 1/2 a second (120') so if an average bow is shooting around 250', there's practically zero time for a deer to react. By the time it hears the string, something's gone through it already.
It doesn’t hurt a damn thing on the arrow been shooting a biscuit for 15 yrs it does zero damage to blazer vanes and arrow wraps! It has zero failure in pouring down rain! Doesn’t affect accuracy even at 100yds! May slow ur arrow by 1fps at best ! Best arrow rest for hunting period
I know this is old.. I just bought a qad yesterday I’ve always used a biscuit but it broke and yes opening day is Saturday.. I hope to get it shooting properly today.
I don’t know much as I’ve only been bowhunting a few years and am no Robinhood but I will say that I was much more comfortable with my WB. It was quieter on the draw and kept the arrow from bouncing around when moving to a position to draw. (I shake like an addict even when the flop ears walk out lol). The drop away seems to perform better at 60+ than my wb could have dreamed of, but I also won’t shoot anything past 50 if I can help it. I think the argument between people about which is better is just stupid. Shoot what you’re more comfortable with and tell the other self proclaimed pros to go spew nonsense to someone else. I just so happen to like my old WB better. Doesn’t mean I’m right about your bow
It doesn't look like the Whisker Biscuit slows the arrow appreciably either; @ 0.44 they are in nearly identical positions. I know a lot of hunters that have shot a lot of animals using the Biscuit. Good stuff as always.
The WB averaged just under 2fps slower with the same arrow, vs the QAD, so pretty insignificant really. I have seen a much bigger difference on low poundage/youth bows however when replacing a WB with a non-contact rest (something like 8FPS if I recall correctly)
for hunting a WB just seems to make more sense, as it secures the arrow better. The biggest argument for the dropdown style is for shooting thousands of arrows. But that is just an assumption from my part. Would love to see a test of arrows + rest shot many MANY times through different rests and comparing the wear and tear on the rest and the fletching
Always seems like people forget a rest that supports the side of the arrow allows you the option to shoot with your fingers consistently. Anyone who has tried to get a consistent finger release using a drop away or similar non side supporting rest will know what I am talking about. Whisker biscuit let's me shoot with a release or fingers.
@@jdexplores01 because you can, remember not all compounds are short. Compound hunters that do not tree stand hunt do not need to be crippled by a short bow. It's something old timers and experienced bow hunters know of. There once was a magical time before release aids and people had to practice to have a repeatable release. Knowing how to finger shoot good allows you to be that much more proficient with modern tools.
@@Backin_Theday for traditional shooting i have a recurve with no equipment. Nothing can fail. If i worried about something could brake i wouldn't shoot a Compound
The general claim is it reduces the speed of the arrow. It's negligible. Even if it affects the fletch it's also negligible. It appears the only real benefit is reducing fletch wear.
is it just me or can you see the red vanes actually rippling/flapping immediately after release? ie before the arrow has even left the string in the first few inches
I don't have a wisker brisket I have a hostage rest. But it still tears up my vanes super easily. I'm assuming its because I practice ALOT (500 arrows a week). Would switching to a drop rest lessen the amount of fletching would I have to do?
A buddy has a Hostage rest, he too tears up fletchings. My guess is that the fletchings are not aligned correctly and getting dragged across the three short brushes. I shoot with a knockoff WB, and if properly aligned the fletchings pass between the brush hairs and do not fold them out of the way. All of mine have been cheap knockoff versions, but all are aluminum framed. I've tried both the stock finger rest, a drop away, and the wb style and the WB is the best for me. Its simple, trouble free, and I get the best accuracy with it. If I lose a few feet per second, so be it, its certainly not affected my ability to make a kill.
the only negative i see is that the bristles of the WB really bend/deform the vanes after passing thru. May cause some tuning issues with a fixed broadhead??? Also, stop the vid @ 1:06, doesn't look like the WB has induced some torque to the arrow shaft as the vanes go thru it? Maybe a stiffer spine arrow would negate it??
It looks to me like with the drop away there is downwards nock travel or the rest is set too high, either way the arrow is pushed downwards into the rest, hence why its bending. With the WB the bow is either set up better or maybe since the WB is flexible it just gives in to the pressure of the arrow and doesnt cause the arrow shaft to bend.
I will say the only down side to my wb is that it does have a tendency to tear off fletchings after about 50 shots on an arrow. Can't complain about that though. They're cheap enough.
I’ve shot a whisker biscuit on my Mathews for 15 years, I’ve only bought 2 dozen arrows. Never had an issue with fletchings tearing off. I have about 10 arrows left of the 2 dozen... I shoot a lot too. On a side note. My V3 will be in this week and I’m adding a new whisker biscuit to my setup $60 vs $300 (I’m Canadian our stuff is priced a lot higher)
