"White Immunity": Working through the pitfalls of "privilege" discourse | Nolan Cabrera | TEDxUofA 

It’s important to note that privilege does not guarantee good outcomes for the privileged group or bad outcomes for everyone else. A white person, for example, can work hard and have little to show for it, can be mistreated by the police without cause, be denied a job they’re qualified for. What privilege does is load the odds one way or the other so that the chance of bad things happening to white people as a category of people is much lower than for everyone else, and the chance of good things happening is much higher. Privilege is not something a person can have, like a possession, as in “Where’s mine?” Instead, it is a characteristic of the social system-like a rule in a game-in which everyone participates.

Would you say that having the very strongest opinion would activate someone to independently stage a TedX talk? LOL

Let’s get the best minds of the proud boys to talk about this topic on tedx😂

Often referred to as the Dunning-Kruger effect...

Have you studied anything?

You are correct, since, you are obviously very well educated and exceedingly knowledgeable.

Do poorer whites avoid non-white neighborhoods for the same reason that wealthier whites do? Yes!

@Preston Parks Who exactly uses that term in there real world, outside of academia or left activist echo chambers?

If we don’t educate ourselves and challenge our work view nothing changes.

I strongly disagree. Respectfully IF you are truly interested in a better understanding or more perspective you can re-educate yourself

@@joycesmith771 So, only if I agree with you and your ideology do I wish to understand better and desire to improve myself by education. I can say the same to you.

Individuality is definitely part of the problem.

James Williams -- CORRECT. | The FACT that he had a job BECAUSE of whiteness escaped him.

I find it absolutely ridiculous when I don't know one of the co-hosts of the majority report from Milwaukee spews vapid propaganda to college campuses across this country. The transatlantic trade started with sassafras. Neo pagan was already in the lexicon by 1675. King Philips war wasn't just about taking natives land it was about inserting an artificial layer that humans huberously think his creation over what already exists. Wasn't an accident that the guy from Boston that came over to California with the first water wheel put it next to the reservation boarding school and eugenics soon sprung out of there

So long as believe in the notion of concept of forward time an progress You're just reiterating and rehashing a new set of musical chairs in the same game. Check out the UN 18 points sustainability agenda that's where we're going and none of you are going to like it

We would still have crime but the biggest crime is the elite.who has control over how the laws and order of who's bad or good.Its a power thing and greed.we have seen people in position do a crime and get 30 days in jail and the poor mainly people of color get years for the same crime.(GREED). example.all these guys up in the white house in the past administration do stuff and get pardon for crimes right in front of our faces .and yes it's not just Trump boys it's like that on both side even police officers get away on paid

@@rebornkingofthule7067 please read a history book and maybe some things about confirmation bias. You can choose to be a better person

We would be a long way closer to following The Golden Rule: Do Un To Others...

I guess if you look hard enough you'll always find skidmarks in everybody's drawers huh. Damn. I swear. Can't win for loosing.

However colour classism has always existed. But please do not disregard cultures who believe the darker the more beautiful?!?! In the eye of the beholder.

Did he hit a nerve??

It’s like Catholicism with its concept of original sin. It’s not there for you to grasp, it’s there for people to be able to guilt you with it.

@@murdoch3396 Christians believe Jesus died for their sins, so they don't walk around guilty.

@@murdoch3396 weird. Because I grasp it, yet I feel no guilt. No one has ever tried to make me feel guilt for it. But I also like to learn, so I seek information beyond a couple Tedtalks. I accept the facts for what they are, and tried to contextualize today's issues as best I can. After learning a lot of (incredibly important) pieces of our racial history over the years, I realized the way we are taught about race in school is so whitewashed and abbreviated as to be nearly deceptive. I want to make this country a safer, happier, more prosperous place for everyone to live. I personally feel that knowing important and harsh truths about our past, can be a real asset to working toward progress today.

@@MizterMissile I'd say the country is more prosperous now than it needs to be. The problem is that prosperity is not more equitably distributed. That's now new. It's the reality everywhere in the world, but in the US that unequal distribution is strongly based on ethnicity.

WRONG !! RACISM COMES TROM TRIBALISM. ITS IN OUR DNA !!

WTF DOES THAT EVEN MEAN? PUT ALL PEOPLE OF THE SAME COLOR IN ONE GROUP?

WHAT GOOD POINTS?

So then by extension you would agree that people of color are more "prone" to criminal behavior. Or you can open your eyes and see the institutional racism in the "justice" system, which is designed to criminalize and incarcerate people of color at very high rates.

The criminal justice system is not biased against POC. You do the crime, you do the time.

Let's say a such a system to criminalize and incarcerate POC at very high rates exist. Why would you as a POC rob a convenience store with security camera's at gunpoint when you know what the results will be in said system?

@@juliocammarota962 People are not arrested because they aren't doing criminal behavior, it's because they are. Do you think the police are constantly patrolling minority areas snatching up poor POC's that are just coming home from choir practice? That the police ignore white people out selling drugs and holding up gas stations? There is no system that "criminalizes" POCs. It's easy to stay out of the justice system. Don't commit crimes and obey the orders of police officers. It's not that difficult.

@@juliocammarota962 Aww, come on! I guess all your folks been locked up by dem mean ol' cops for jaywalking and whistling at white girls?Also,any drive-bys shown on the nightly news are faked with CGI, huh? Are you kidding yourself? The people living in "bad parts of town" don't want to be around those felons either and they leave as soon as they get some money!

yes. Being in prison sucks.

Or it hits too close to home and caused a gut reaction, making you uncomfortable so therefore you dismissed it.

Sometimes an argument is not persuasive because the situation being described is different for your own experiences. I have to make an effort to see racism because I get along well with minority co-workers. I don't feel like I see them any differently and don't feel that I would or have discriminated in an interview etc. But I do believe in subtle effects at play. People partly judge competence by a person's confidence and the words that they use to communicate which can lead us to undervaluate some people. We also unconsciously judge if someone would be a good fit for a job in part based off how similar they are to the existing group or how similar they are to ourselves. I don't think that this should be called racism, but I can see how it systematically works against people 'outside the system' and needs to be understood and countered, if possible.

@@AdDeRidder I don't know how I feel about the first sentance, which I know is not and argument LOL so I will try to unpack my thoughts. I suppose it could be the case that an argument isn't persuasive because the topic is different from our own experiences, but our own experiences are subjective and arguments aren't subjective in nature. Thats not to say the subjective experiences aren't real, but the purpose of the argument is determine whether the experience (or rather the perception of the experience) is accurate based on the objective facts. Human emotions really are an incredible thing. They are triggered automatically, based on varying amounts of information, and those emotions are absolutely real and a very important part of being a human. With that said, we need to understand their purpose. They exist as a survival mechanism. Humans are a thinking species but throughout history we have found ourselves in situations where taking the time to think could be the difference between life and death, so we have evolved in a way where the body creates very unpleasant physiological sensations that compel us to act immediately in order to avoid harm. Thats a very important thing to understand about ourselves because everyone is different and every human body interprets information about their immediate environment differently. The emotional responses we have are absolutely real, and usualy very intense, but they are not always valid. Thats where the arguments come in. Its usually not up to our conscious selves, in the moment, to determine when we will and will not feel threatened. Thats is done automatically and the body will respond accordingly. Although we may not be able to control our physiolocal responses in the moment, we can revisit the situation later, after the perceived threat is gone in order to discuss the objective facts of the circumstances and we can get to a place where we recognize that it was not actually a threatening situation. Perception can be formed in an instant, with little to no information and trigger negative emotional responses that are real, but that doesn't mean they are valid or justified. It is up to us as individuals to put in the work to determine whether our perception is accurate or not, and be willing to admit if its not. It seems to generally be the case that when arguments such as this one fail to persuade, its because one side is presenting subjective experiences while the other side is presenting objective facts or perhaps different subjective experiences. No disagreements will ever be resolved under those circumstances. The only way to truly resolve disagreement is for all parties to stick to objective facts when presenting an argument. As for the second part of your reply, I agree with everything you said. I'm sure there are people in the world who make decisions based soley on the color of people's skin, but I can't imagine that there is more than a handful of those kinds of people left in this world. In fact, I can't stand it when I hear "people that look like me". I think its far more likely to be the case that we have a preference for "people who act like me" or "people who think like me" or "people who have similar interests as me" rather than "people who look like me". I don't think its irrational at all to prefer to be around other people who share things in common with us. Thats what makes us the most comfortable. I also understand that adding more people we feel comfortable around to a team could be the worst thing. Sometimes we need to add someone, often a leader, who will disrupt the comfort because that comfort has resulted in reduced productivity. Thats why I firmly believe, especially in the work place, the only factor that ought to determine who gets a job is the person best suited for the position. Period. Hiring someone for any other reason will almost always degrade the team. Its possible they will get lucky and it will work out, but its not something that should be logically assumed in any way. Finally, I agree 100% that if there are instances of racism encountered around us, we absolutely have a duty to push back. With that said, that is a very serious accusation and ought not be made without sufficient, objective, evidence. At the end of the day, it should be the goal of all of us to surround ourselves with good, hard working people who add value and positive experiences to our lives. I have come to the conclusion that there are a whole lot less people in this world who fit that description than I previously believed, and I know with numbers like that, none of us can afford to further limit the pool of people we can have in our life by something silly like skin color.

@@darrellbublitz8158 Long read, but certainly worth the time. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Very insightful.

@@AdDeRidder thank you so much for reading it all. Means a lot. Its just impossible to articulate a meangful thought in 120 characters or less so I appreciate anyone who reciprocates the effort to read as I put into writing.

It really does look as if he's wearing diapers

Bigot

Such a succinct yet accurate description.

He tossed the ball, moved the goalposts around some, bounced the ball, moved the goalposts around more, then said, "usually, someone who moves the goalposts this much would win but I'm going to lose and be very uncomfortable with that, and that's ok!"

Y’all should do something for yourselves 😊 Go down and take a few classes at your Community college. (They’ll even help you get your GED if you can’t get into a CR) Give yourself the gift of knowing Reality! History, Sociology, Anthropology, and maybe a bit of Psych 101 if your really get into it. I would pay for your credits. And I’m poor.

Please give an example of racism against white people?

@@juliocammarota962 oh how about being a white guy who is poor and and lives in a trailer park filled with meth heads and being pulled over and searched and detained purely because of where I live and the fact that I'm poor. purely because I'm poor and live in a meth "hood" I'm views by the police as a meth head even though I have nothing to do with that world. I'm just a poor white guy who can only afford to live in this place. And yet I'm branded as a drug dealer

Is that racism or classism?

Julio Cammarota, that is not relevant to the argument, because I do not engage in either one, and I am of mixed "race", which in and of itself is absurd. Humans are the only self-aware genus that exists. What is being addressed here is ethnicity which is the evolution, of different members, of the one genetic group adapting to the environment their ancestors lived in over thousands or millions of years.

@Julio Cammarota Reverse racism is just racism. Treating any race like they're inherently better than another is classic racism no matter who is involved.

I thought he was an effective speaker.

pure racism or a lack for people to listen. That is exactly why some people in the comments section are extremely defensive like one comment I'm reading.

Becomes it's bs. Skin color dissent determine net outcomes.

Whites have a highly supported denial system and mechanism. They will never voluntarily dismantle an unjust system that benefits them. We have to do it.

I believe its true. White culture isnt at the 101 level or even really listening

Denial

You are describing a Kafka-trap and that is a logical fallacy. It was used in witch burning trails, which hints that this line of thinking isnt very sound.

@@fana9863 of course. It's not even accurate to call it fallacious. Surely they don't actually believe this to be the case, they are just using it to punish people and manipulate to get what they want.

Reptilians, bro! They're running the show and they've brainwashed us all to think they don't exist! The reptilians have even used Monarch techniques to make some people claim it's all a conspiracy theory! :)

MANY PEOPLE LIKE AMERICANS NATIVES !!

THEY ARE ALL RACISTS !!

TRUE CHRISTIANS ONLY LOVE .

No he's not. He's pointing it out. It's been taught since the inception of this damned country. Pointing it out is not the same thing as teaching it or practicing it.

@@notorioushebrew4793 HE IS BATSHIT CRAZY !!!

It hasn't.Your in denial

Depends on who you ask.

Exactly, it used to be the Native American country, then it became somebody else's country because they said so because bullies with guns have more power than arrows. Same old same old. Ya, that sums it up. So, thats how people are able to say ours, but exclude them. All in the words.

Well how will you define racism then go ahead

SCS - Entirely. He undercuts his point by trying to make it stronger. DanielC - Think, man. Slavery? Gone. White water fountains. Gone. Things have definitely changed.

Yeah, except Christians believe Jesus died for their sins, so they don't walk around guilty. These guys don't get a savior, they just get told to flog themselves and "sit in their discomfort"!

@@mediabiassucks1803 Well at least until they make up there savior for when something happens so beyond the pale that even they realize 'oy are we the baddies'. The whole they died for my sins thing has always been a cope to remove responsibility from the individuals involved.

@@117Haseo Yeah, lots of people are like, "only God can judge me," denying any wrongdoing and they don't seem to get the whole confess and MAKE AMENDS thing. You have to own up to what you did and try to make things right.

River Lewis land was not stolen. It was concord. The spoils of war. The first inhabitants of this continent was constantly at war with each other for the possession of land or territory. Because they could not work together they where concord. The same way mankind have been doing all over the world for at least a half million years. By the way white people along with middle eastern people, Asians and Latinos all are referred to as country of origin. It's a thing of pride. To clarify there are only one race of humanoid left. We killed off the neanderthals and hominids thousands of years ago.

Good point, I forgot that all Spanish are dark skinned people and that they annihilraped all the indigenous out of the small Southern tail of the continents completely. you have good college.

X x your really smart too, good job on the us history and the point about doctrine of discovery was spot on!

Teeeell it like it iiiiiis.

@@erichuff6945 *conquered, bro! Concord is a kind of grape! :) Also, we modern humans have Neanderthal and Denisovan DNA because we interbred.

Tell me you're white without telling me you're white.

me too.

YOU SOUND BATSHIT CRAZY //

You are owed nothing and you depend on white people.

@Bug Squasher Priceless response

He tossed the ball, moved the goalposts around some, bounced the ball, moved the goalposts around more, then said, "usually, someone who moves the goalposts this much would win but I'm going to lose and be very uncomfortable with that, and that's ok!"

they don't want to get cancelled

The only religion that has any legitimacy at all remaining is gnosticism exactly because there is no orthodox

Amargi

Example of them blasphemizing their own book Midrash underarum You simply shouldn't be able to delete comments at all End of discussion

Says you!! But something is seriously wrong with that narrative when it does not connect to the dot that defines those words. As in WW2. you can't mix politics and religion. It don't fit the reality.

A man made religion created by desert dwellers needing a hook to feel better than the others around them. They create a god that turns around and creates them then " chooses" them to be his "chosen" people. Now when other's who are without self esteem, create their own god who chooses them as being "special" this first group of scared desert dwellers ridicule the second scared group calling them heathens and all gods children have found common ground, their mutual fear and hate for each other. Can they all be right? Of course not, but can they all be wrong? Yes. Of course they can My god, my tribe, my country, my religion, my culture, my way of life, my flag, my country, m God!

LMAO !!! THIS GUY IS BATSHIT CRAZY !!

@@salamjihad3449 Yes. Nolan Cabrera drank the cool-aide.