Phil is a genius! He's a brilliant man period.the mix of this band is the best thing to ever happen to metal!.. And then he starts doing clean?! OMG his voice is amazing.
Absolute legends of the genre. Can’t wait to hear this. It’d be awesome to get JFAC too someday especially nowadays since it seems like they’re planning a comeback
Getting older make us wiser. I don't know who said this but it still rings today; "A smart man learns from his mistakes but a wise man learns from the mistakes of others."
3:00 im gonna think hes talking about Deadwater Drowning, thats another band thats a;ways left off the list of true og deathcore. Idr what year they were out, early 00 s or 90s for sure
@@minuswon they both definitely have country accents. They don't have suuuper strong drawls, but you can hear it pop up with certain words like "I" "but" and "y'all" and then things like "listenen tuh". An accent doesn't need to be super strong and in your face for it to be there!
@metalbabe543 True. I was just meaning they aren't country bumpkin sounding at all. Not that that's a bad thing, but people judge you pretty quickly with that in general. I've lived in rural areas and southern "cities" for about the same amount of time, and the drawl is like the humidity. It just stays 💯
Despised Icon, whitechapel, Suicide Silence, Carnifex, rose funeral, JFAC, veil of maya, winds of plague were all on rotation for me when I was 15-16. That era doesn’t get spoken of enough and the music is just as good as any metal elitist band.
Friend showed me Veil of Maya one time and I still remember asking him who the band was, ended up listening to the entire Matriarch album and loved it.
I don't even mean to sound shitty when I say this, but The Somatic Defilement and This is Exile are the only two albums from Whitechapel that I listen to and they, in my opinion, are the epitome of classic deathcore sound.
The amount these guys talked about JFAC has made me remember how much I want them back. Sun Eater is one of the best death metal albums ever and Johnny is just unreal good
@@heraldgreenbanger5488being able to see them was great, then Lorna shore after and sleep token before. Other than that….blue ridge was uhhh a complete shit show 😂😂
I have to be honest. In the myspace d-core days, the bands in that corner that I was focusing on were; All Shall Perish, Through The Eyes of The Dead, As Blood Runs Black, The Black Dahlia Murder, Despised Icon, The Red Chord, but I did notice and listen to Jfac, Sui Silence, Whitechapel, Carnifex, The Faceless (akeldama era)... and some Animosity, Burning Skies, The Acacia Strain, Bleed From Within, Bring Me The Horizon, Knights of the Abyss, Annotations Of an Autopsy, Salt The Wound, early After the Burial/Born of Osiris/Veil of Maya.. but now that i listen to this podcast I would pay some money to see as much possible of these bands all together in a mega tour package ! Please consider it if you guys see the opportunity!!! 💥🤘🔥🌪 Europe/USA needs this in post-corona times!
Hope that Chris and the crew could try to get BMTH in for an episode and as well get their take of that early Deathcore years coming from the '04-'05 scene with their Demo going into Count Your Blessings record. Love Phil's perspective with getting older while loving the metal genre, not the whole scene. Also becoming a dad added more change of mental state from some songs of bands. "It's Evolution!" As Korn and Jonathan Davis once said 😅
I hands down think this is the best episode you’ve done! I thoroughly enjoyed this episode. Best Whitechapel interview by far too! I hope there’s a part 2!
Dude I STILL listen to wecamewithbrokenteeth, just put them on the other day! Hearing all of this is so nostalgic. Listened to Suicide, Whitechapel, and JFAC back in 2007/2008 and became completely fixated on metal from there on out. Scoured the internet for more and more metal, absolutely drove my mom mad hahaa. Thanks guys! 🖤
yes sir…they JUST 4 MONTHS AGO put Wecamewithbrokenteeeth on apple music. i’ve been surviving that band from youtube and old burnt cds…but that’s some high school shit
Antagony that nobody knows is the pioneer of deathcore. I disagree that current deathcore bands are heavier than the old ones. Right now they're just top production bands. The old deathcore bands performed the style much better than the current ones, and there was a variety of bands. Most of them now look alike, as sound and style as performance. Myspace era was more fun. Both the concert environment and the album recordings. The bands were trying different things in their songs that had not been heard before.
When Phil starts talking about Mitch towards the end it gave me chills. Mitch in my opinion is one of the most iconic vocalists in metal period. Phil as well to be completely honest. The two of them have this aura and absolute power and devastation that they bring to the table it’s unmatched.
@@Thenewbronzeagecollapse I love Time’s Cruel Curtain. His melodic vocal delivery on that song makes it even more brutal alongside what the instrumentation is doing.
Grew up in Murfreesboro/Manchester, Tennessee. The only band we had was Tony Danza Tapdance Extravaganza. Which, lucky to have got to see them play bowling alleys. And then all the local shows. And Whitechapel would also roll through Middle Tennessee at the beginnings. And that's basically all we had. Danza and Whitechapel. All things considered, we were lucky.
I grew up in the Knoxville area and had a lot of family in nashville/murfreesboro. There were also other bands out there like A Plea For Purging, Alcina, Alert The Sky, As Hell Retreats, and some others. But Danza was definitely the one that most people will remember.
@@blegh.3403 I saw plea in the Knoxville area the first time before Andy ever joined. I've seen them a bunch. I still keep in contact with their guitarist Blake.
@Blastbeat Industries The Healing Process and The Ills Of Modern Man, no album came close back then. Accept The Last Felony, but they were more Death Metal
The first Despised Icon album has one of those so bad it's good kinda things goin on lol. They got alot better obviously but that first album was just hilarious from start to finish.
Garza should try a Podcast with Josh Brainard and Anders coselfini, it would be interesting to know the stories of these guys, they never had space or a voice in the media, they helped Slipknot a lot in the beginning and they don't get the attention they deserve.
I know this is silly, but seeing the two bands that I'm inspired by talk about the genre I love is almost a dream come true. You are both so great. Phil is my goat, and ss is the face of it. Such a great interview, Garza!
Warped Tour 2010 in Toronto, I saw SS and White Chapel play, got a picture with Mitch and came home to find out Alex from Despised Icon was staring into the camera from the back of the SS tent. Despised Icon didn't even play that year, so I guess he just came to hang out lol. Awesome to hear Phil shouting them out still too, they don't show up in the big name discussions as often as they should.
Also, just saw Whitechapel on this tour and they were unreal! Their sound was ON POINT! A New Era of Corruption is my favorite Whitechapel album as well!
Why Whitechapel was regarded as one of the big 4 deathcore bands is because they represented the "East coast" deathcore scene!!! They even said it themselves... All the bands they mentioned where located on the West Coast!!! My high school band was one of the earliest deathcore bands in my area. I had Krank gear!!! My band was called "Wolves Among Sheep".
Great episode. I've definitely found that getting older and learning to work WITH the other bands in our local scene rather than everyone scrambling over each other constantly has really helped to build the whole thing up. Rising tides raises all ships and all that. Really looking forward to seeing Whitechapel in Glasgow in December, wish they were headlining though!
I don't dislike Lorna shore or anything but this widely regarded sentiment that they're the heaviest thing to ever exist is something I don't agree with. For me, that title still goes to an amazing underrated band I had the honor of opening for in 2008, beneath the massacre.
Man that’s so sad hearing that story of Phil being spit at is so fucked everyone in Whitechapel is so nice and they are real people deathcore has been my favorite genre since like 08 in high school when I discovered suicide silence and Whitechapel jfac and I absolutely remember when no one in the scene wanted to say they were deathcore and would just label themselves as a metal band because of the negativity surrounded with the word deathcore I’m glad the genre is being more accepted now and so happy to see success in a lot of the bands I discovered in high school still killing it
anytime the origins of deathcore is the topic, everyone wants to be a historian hipster and bring up a bunch of bands, that were unknown or undiscovered when they were active. but for me, its about which bands were the first to become popular due to their mixture of genres, and had a special hype. its ironic how job for a cowboy rejected the deathcore label but are widely regarded as one of the first to do it. keep in mind, there were bands doing similar genres, but most considered those mathcore, metalcore, or grindcore. i think job for a cowboy was the "first" popular band to be considered deathcore in the year 2005. it was the height of myspace, youtube was new and the whole presentation was a meme. despised icons first t shirt said "deathcore" on it around 2001-02, according to an interview by alex, which he first heard from the members of malamor. at first, slamming brutal death metal was the reject which bridged the gap between death metal and hardcore. so its fitting that despised, along with other early bands were slam inspired. first band i heard was all shall perish. but i was confused and thought it was a terrible attempt at trying to sound like a hardcore band. second was, knights of the abyss. their song dragon pie was slightly viral. after that it was carnifex, salt the wound, rose funeral, and of course suicide silence. i think what made the genre stand out as its own, was the absurdness and comical aspect. it was teenagers or young people being goofy and experimenting by combining obscure genres to create something unique and shocking. by the time whitechapel came out, i remember people calling it "brutal deathcore" because deathcore was already an established genre, and they were in compilation videos recommending a heavier sound. thats how i discovered whitechapel, chelsea grin, and thy art is murder.
The way they showed how big of fans they are of Suicide Silence shows that they have stayed humble even throughout their success. I love these dudes. Solid episode!
hi I have been working with wecamewithbrokenteeth for years making merch and remastering their lost songs. would love to mail you an official wcwbt hoodie
Back in the 90s is was TRACES of death! Faces was lame AF! Being in my 40s and a metal head my entire life, I remember traces of death 1, 2 and 3 and shit was badass, had death metal back track while people got eviscerated and blown up lol
I remember Job for a Cowboy having a good, solid sound. I could play their music on a shitty car stereo and still get that punchy sound. I'll include As Blood Runs Black too.
Hearing "Lorna shore is the heaviest thing in existence right now" blew my fucking mind. Not in a good way. Like I understand y'all are in y'all's own lane. But it ain't the only one.
Theres a super old video where Phil added vocals to Absym by oceano and it was absolutely disgusting. I can't find the video anymore but I know it has to be somewhere on the internet.
First bands for me had to be...the red shore, I shot the sheriff, we are the end, even bands like signal the firing squad, blind witness, as blood runs black, carnifex, molotov solution
I love the boys in whitechapel so much they are all amazing and I've listened to them for so long now since this is exile! I love all their stuff but sm really excited to hear Phil say he wants to write some real evil nasty heavy shit!!
All this talk about the myspace days takes me back to when my band opened for Suicide Silence in 2009. I had such a difficult time back then because we opened litteral days after i foubd my mom after she passed away. Some of my friends told me i didn't need to play and shouldnt feel bad if i didn't but it was probably the best thing i could do in that point in time because who knew if id ever have that opportunity to open for one of my top five again.
I played a show with Whitechapel with my old band Shot Down Sun back in 2006 before they signed to Metalblade at a VFW hall in Maine. There wasn’t many people there lol. I think it was their first tour alongside With Blood Comes Cleansing and Years Spent Cold.
