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Eli Whitney Jr., son of the inventor of the famous "cotton gin", ran the Whitneyville Armory for many years, producing a wide variety of firearms until nearly the end of the 1800s. Among other gun produced was the Whitney-Kennedy lever action rifle, based on an action designed by Andrew Burgess. From 1880 until 1886, about 23,500 of these rifles and carbines were manufactured. Their most distinctive visual feature is the unique serpentine operating lever, although this was replaced with a more traditional looking lever towards the end of production.
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@seanoreiley48
@seanoreiley48 8 лет назад
as someone who is from Connecticut, it's amazing to me that at one time CT was the gun capital of the world, and how anti firearms this state is now. I live near Norwich and you'd have no idea that many of the most famous gun companies used to have plants there. I'll have to look up whitneville armory, that is the first I've heard of them.
@strider04
@strider04 4 года назад
Yeah it makes me really sad tbh how far our state has fallen.
@HD-J.R.
@HD-J.R. 2 года назад
Not only the once gun manufacturing capital of the world, a manufacturing powerhouse. Truly sad that blue collar, well paying industries are gone and forgotten.
@beargillium2369
@beargillium2369 2 года назад
The same is true for California, birthplace of the AR15!
@eaSTS9
@eaSTS9 3 месяца назад
I am from CT as well. The Whitneyville armory is in Hamden and was Eli Whitney Jr's factory that helped manufacture arms during the war. Colt had also made the Walker and first Dragoons made here before moving to Hartford. My grandfather owned the Whitney Nursing Home before he passed which was in the same area. I've been trying to get my hands on one of the old guns produced here like the Whitney Navy revolver (which the South copied as the Spiller & Burr) a Whitneyville Walker or Dragoon, they also made pocket pistols for the civilian market too
@MarlinWilliams-ts5ul
@MarlinWilliams-ts5ul Месяц назад
Whitney was in Hamden. There is a museum there now.
@geneshirley9295
@geneshirley9295 8 лет назад
I have one given to me by grandfather in 1960, .44-40, #16 of H series. {H 16} conventional loop lever, very accurate shooter, tack driver at 100 yards.
@HD-J.R.
@HD-J.R. 2 года назад
Oliver Winchester was a cutthroat, intelligent businessman. Not a gun designer or gunsmith; he was a money man and moneymaker. As much good he did for the industry he did a lot of bad and ruined a lot people that got in his way. He took advantage of a lot of other's innovations. There's no way of knowing for sure, but I often feel he stifled innovation that he wouldn't profit from.
@jonathanknoche6371
@jonathanknoche6371 2 года назад
Good ol' capitalism, right?
@Boxghost102
@Boxghost102 2 года назад
@@jonathanknoche6371 Hell yeah. stifle innovation, sell out for profit, squeeze workers dry.
@ramonandrajo6348
@ramonandrajo6348 Год назад
@@jonathanknoche6371 Liberalism, correction.
@robosoldier11
@robosoldier11 Год назад
pretty unfortunate. Would be interesting where a company like Whitney could've gone. Maybe they would've eventually been a dud after this rifle. Or maybe they could've been the next titans of the american firearm industry. Who can say. the loss of potential is again unfortunate.
@HD-J.R.
@HD-J.R. Год назад
@@jonathanknoche6371 capitalism thrives by building a better mousetrap; customers will beat a path to your door. Totalitarianism, socialism and Marxism crushes innovation and competition. Oliver Winchester crushed his competition. Teddy Roosevelt put an end to the robber barons. A free market means free access to banks, capital and the courts. In Winchester's day he bought his justice and prevented banks and venture capitalists from supporting better mousetraps. That has zero to do with capitalism.
@Granite
@Granite 8 лет назад
I absolutely love this channel. Better than anything on TV.
@870Slager
@870Slager 8 лет назад
Ian, I'd like to thank you for educating us on these cool weapons that would otherwise be forgotten in history. So many things can be learned about how our technology got to where it is today.
@rancidpitts8243
@rancidpitts8243 3 года назад
I have known of the Whitney -Kennedy for 40 years thank to the Dixie Catalogue, but I had never seen one due to pictures with no captions identifying them as such. NOW I Know, Thank You.
@jcrowellz2000
@jcrowellz2000 2 года назад
I have to look up what happened next in the Whitney history. A shame Eli Jr. sold out. Eli Sr. was one of the greatest American inventors, imagine the gall to figure out how to manufacture those firearms on the fly after receiving the contract, then making a better process for doing so.
@johnnschroeder7424
@johnnschroeder7424 8 лет назад
Didn't even know these guns existed, thanks for the heads up!
@Blueswailer
@Blueswailer 8 лет назад
Such elegant looking rifles. I have to say, I didn't have any mentionable interest in weapons before I came across your channel! Now I can't wait for the new videos. Especially like revolver and lever-action rifle videos. As I've seen many comment similar to mine on your videos, I'm inclined to surmise you have an educational knack for this sort of enlightening of people. :) Keep doing your thing Ian!
@janbastein7355
@janbastein7355 2 года назад
Again and again very educational! Keep going with your outstanding work.
@jedibike
@jedibike 8 лет назад
Beautiful rifles. Thank you for sharing those.
@DongHigh
@DongHigh 8 лет назад
Yet another excellent video.
@jonathandalton2921
@jonathandalton2921 8 лет назад
thanks Ian , i've never seen or heard of these before, interesting competition to the winchesters, looking forward to more unusual forgotton weapons.
@brandontanis388
@brandontanis388 4 года назад
When I was a kid the restaurant at Crane's Orchard in Fennville, MI had a near mint example of a late production Whitney-Kennedy hanging on the wall. I wonder if it's still there.
@corystreat7605
@corystreat7605 Год назад
Great informative video as always!
@Corrupted355
@Corrupted355 8 лет назад
Interesting. I think these are the first things you've looked at from Rock Island that are within the realm of actually being able to afford them. I've always wanted an old lever as a wall hanger that I could occasionally take down and put some gentle rounds through. Damn you very slightly, Ian.
@rapidrrobert4333
@rapidrrobert4333 8 лет назад
Seems stronger than a Win '73. Another excellent lesson Ian, thanks.
@ifitsfreeitsforme1852
@ifitsfreeitsforme1852 4 года назад
It is stronger. But not as strong as the 1886 Win.
@manixmember2477
@manixmember2477 8 лет назад
I see you like to upload when the insomniacs are up. Thanks for keeping me entertained at an ungodly hour, Ian.
@JohnLeePedimore
@JohnLeePedimore 8 лет назад
+Manix Member Maybe he has a pet raccoon that uploads these videos?
@licespray
@licespray 8 лет назад
Woo! Loving the old US gun videos (I'm Australia but like the diversity of levers etc). If i may request one for a video some day? Colt Lightning (large frame, preferably!). A dream of mine is to hunt with one in .50-95 :)
@Husker7733
@Husker7733 4 года назад
It is a great channel lots of information
@pbr-streetgang
@pbr-streetgang 4 года назад
Thanks for the vid sir.
@crazyfvck
@crazyfvck 8 лет назад
Thank you very much for the excellent video, Forgotten Weapons presenter whose name I do not know... lol ;)
@frederickwise5238
@frederickwise5238 8 лет назад
I bought a brand new Whitney Kennedy barrel in 45-60 from Dixie Gun Works in 1978. Mated it to a Gras Kynoch 1878 single shot bolt action. It makes one swell single shot black powder rifle - 45-60-330. Kind of a pain to cut down 45-70 cartridges. I wanted a large enuf calibre to load serious buckshot but didnt want a shotgun.. We lived on the Pautuxent river and cottonmouth moccassins were hazarding my sons fishing off of our pier. We shot a couple and they WERE cottonmouths!!
@d33b33
@d33b33 8 лет назад
I've always wondered how Marlin fit into these tumultuous times. I'm guessing the side ejection port was enough to keep the Winchester patent lawyers at bay.
@fuckgoogle5720
@fuckgoogle5720 4 года назад
Daniel van Slooten that's a Marlin front sight on the rifle.
@667crash
@667crash 3 года назад
I owned one of these guns 50-years ago. The gun was in working order and was chambered in 45-60. I found that a .410 Shotgun shell worked very well in gun. I acquired the gun in Douglas, Arizona. It was unique in that the stock and fore grip were inlayed with brass and bone in a unique pattern. Some theoretical expert informed me that the gun had been the pride and joy of a Kiowa Apache Warrior. I sent the gun to Oklahoma State Museum for better historical keeping.
@petesampson4273
@petesampson4273 7 лет назад
Not to belabor a point... Whitney, for all intents and purposes, developed the idea of an assembly line making interchangeable parts. One could argue that it was the most important industrial development since we humans learned that forcing air through fuel creates hotter temps than simply burning a pile of flammable material.
@chipsterb4946
@chipsterb4946 2 года назад
A very significant point that is worth making.
@haleyhorton-loup3257
@haleyhorton-loup3257 8 лет назад
I actually have a Whitney Burgess-Morse in 45-70, one of I think only 2,000. It really is a slick, beautiful action, but disassembly and reassembly is an awful puzzle, compounded by the fact that every screw is slightly different from one another. The lifter was also much worse on the older WBM, than the Kennedy you show here. It's a very slender, complex U-shaped piece of machined steel that is very easy to snap in half when taking out or putting back in. Still slapping myself 5 years later after making that bone-up...
@culpableabyss2241
@culpableabyss2241 8 лет назад
Best part about this channel is I never know what he's talking about
@JKC40
@JKC40 8 лет назад
awesome history. Wonder how much it goes for...
@drmaudio
@drmaudio 8 лет назад
Seems that action would potentially be stronger than the '73 toggle link. Good looking too.
@ifitsfreeitsforme1852
@ifitsfreeitsforme1852 4 года назад
It is. And I believe Burgess was also involved with the 1881 Marlin repeater .
@fastmongrel
@fastmongrel 8 лет назад
Great video again Ian, I love 19th C weapons yourself and capandball really are the guys to watch for anything Iron. I have just signed up on Patreon its worth a few dollars a year to keep you in luxury Limos and 5 star hotels ;-)
@AlexBobowski
@AlexBobowski 8 лет назад
It seems like this system is much more sealed than many of the Winchester rifles, only the lever moves out of the receiver.
@tomallen100
@tomallen100 8 лет назад
Good stuff.
@tomeng9520
@tomeng9520 3 года назад
How many cartridges does a whitney-kennedy hold ? The fixed, tubular magazine has a maximum capacity of 14 rounds (thirteen for .44 and .45 caliber rifles).
@rustyteague8574
@rustyteague8574 2 года назад
Holy shit whitney was the fucking man.....
@revueltas28jr
@revueltas28jr 8 лет назад
i didn´t know this rifle,it´s very interesting
@TheTarrMan
@TheTarrMan 2 года назад
Didn't Mark Novak release a video on one of those the other day? Interesting to watch your video after seeing the insides.
@bruceinoz8002
@bruceinoz8002 2 года назад
Yep! Here it is: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-2MGTLwlM2zg.html
@josho5108
@josho5108 8 лет назад
Fascinating story
@General.Longstreet
@General.Longstreet 8 лет назад
Thats a good looking rifle
@tyrantofthegods
@tyrantofthegods 8 лет назад
What is the storage compartment in the stock for on these old/old style guns, I had an uberti 1886 high wall replica for a little while and it had the same feature, but it seemed to small to hold a cleaning kit.
@mattbob40
@mattbob40 8 лет назад
Can you describe the comfort/usefulness of the s lever vs a Winchester lever?
@gunnarkvinlaug9079
@gunnarkvinlaug9079 2 года назад
Whitney is also famous for producing the Colt Walker!
@lordexmouth1217
@lordexmouth1217 3 года назад
How did the loading gate get around the King patent?
@stevelemmen7048
@stevelemmen7048 Год назад
The serpentine lever looks slightly difficult to operate compared to the Winchester lever.
@GreyDevil
@GreyDevil 8 лет назад
if you ever have a chance to talk about punt guns I'd be very interested to hear you go over one
@mattdickson2
@mattdickson2 8 лет назад
so Ian how would you load this rifle to capacity+1 or is that not possible because of the loading gate/elevator design?
@keithmoore7390
@keithmoore7390 8 лет назад
is the rear sight on the one broken? never have liked a lever, I find them awkward. either , let go and work the action or hold on an let it work itself or pump it. don't half let go
@astridingmarsdottir2400
@astridingmarsdottir2400 7 лет назад
I had a similar looking 45-70 Whitney-Burgess with a Morse barrel. I sort of wish I had not let it go.
@ifitsfreeitsforme1852
@ifitsfreeitsforme1852 4 года назад
Those early Whitney Burgess rifles are not common. They didn't make all that many and most were used hard out west. So lucky if half of them are still in existence. I believe the Morse name refers to a patent on the way the cartridge is chambered.
@rox2u
@rox2u 8 лет назад
It has an loading gate in the side so what is that lid in the stock for? Thanks for a great video.
@robertnrobretual2749
@robertnrobretual2749 6 лет назад
That's where the raisins go. Back then they would dry grapes and then carry them with them. Most firearms have raisin storage.
@ryanrosenblum2552
@ryanrosenblum2552 2 года назад
oil bottle or cleaning rod
@KyleJohnsonVA
@KyleJohnsonVA 8 лет назад
I haven't watched one of your videos in a while, but when I watched this one I immediately noticed that you have a new lapel microphone, but the quality is significantly worse than your previous one. Did it break and you had to replace it?
@Pancreaticdefect
@Pancreaticdefect 8 лет назад
Saw that Ian has an article on Popular Mechanics today. The link was on Yahoo's main page. www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a18941/forgotten-weapons-japans-wwii-paratrooping-rifle/
@KC.45
@KC.45 4 года назад
Texas Jack Vermilion rifle from Tombstone 1993
@greydonstautzenberger3901
@greydonstautzenberger3901 2 года назад
Keep it up
@AdoringFan
@AdoringFan 8 лет назад
What's your name!? You didn't tell me what your name was!
@triasn5039
@triasn5039 8 лет назад
+Adoring Fan he's probably matt from demolition ranch
@FirstDagger
@FirstDagger 8 лет назад
By Azura who is he ?
@ohmyshou1der
@ohmyshou1der 8 лет назад
brian
@rapidrrobert4333
@rapidrrobert4333 8 лет назад
+Adoring Fan ... Ian
@kewlin
@kewlin 8 лет назад
+Adoring Fan I think he's the Hero of Kvatch.
@AFpaleoCon
@AFpaleoCon 8 лет назад
Without a removable side plate how was it cleaned? Or do you mean an easily removable side plate?
@tbob3246
@tbob3246 4 года назад
Bidn't William McCarthy aka Billy the kid have one of these rifles, I seem to remember a reverse image photo showing that distinctive receiver shape.
@VC-Toronto
@VC-Toronto 8 лет назад
A quick question. What is the function of the little brass `button` that is sticking out of the butt-stock, as seen at 4:57? Thanks.
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons 8 лет назад
+Vern C It's a storage compartment for a cleaning rod.
@adrianlarkins7259
@adrianlarkins7259 8 лет назад
You learn something new every day. I had no idea Winchester had serious rivals. I don't understand where the patent situation stood? Surely, Winchester, who was a clever businessman, would have made sure he was secure on copy cats. Apparently not!!
@MarvinCZ
@MarvinCZ 8 лет назад
+Adrian Larkins Apparently they were not copy cats, their mechanism was quite different.
@adrianlarkins7259
@adrianlarkins7259 8 лет назад
+marvincz3 I've just watched a video on the Whitney Kennedy. You are right. The mechanism is different and very clever. I am surprised the rifles could look so similar on the outside and yet be so contrasting internally.
@ifitsfreeitsforme1852
@ifitsfreeitsforme1852 4 года назад
Winchester WAS a clever business man. That's why he spent way more on advertising than most of his competition, he offered more special order features, and gave out lavish presentation firearms to public figures of the day to promote his products. He used his considerable profits to buy up any competing designs he could.
@dianebrownlow653
@dianebrownlow653 8 лет назад
Great
@kirkmooneyham
@kirkmooneyham 2 года назад
So, what happened to the patents for that action? Does Winchester (or whatever corporation controls them now) still own those?
@baneofbanes
@baneofbanes Месяц назад
The parents are long out of date.
@hhiimmddoo
@hhiimmddoo 8 лет назад
Are those in shooting condition?
@BusaDave
@BusaDave Год назад
That's a Kings PATENT Loading Gate! Did they pay royalties?
@arthurthedented
@arthurthedented 4 года назад
Am I wrong or is that dog leg lever system much more of a closed action than Winchesters 'and here are all the moving parts!' lever system ? IE much likely to be less prone to fouling while in action? and what was the price difference?
@randymagnum143
@randymagnum143 4 года назад
Mud test!
@Tipi_Dan
@Tipi_Dan 4 года назад
The receiver and lever say this is a lovely piece. Then the narrow bolt makes it look weak.
@MarlinWilliams-ts5ul
@MarlinWilliams-ts5ul Месяц назад
Billy the Kid had a Whitney Kennedy.
@coolbeanz147
@coolbeanz147 8 лет назад
You forgot to say your name :/
@George_Doc
@George_Doc 8 лет назад
Еxcellent gun.
@rustyteague8574
@rustyteague8574 2 года назад
Why do i feel like im lookin at a cowboy frontiet version of an ar15
@tombogan03884
@tombogan03884 3 года назад
My guess on the name is they dropped Burgess to designate the new model.wasn't this about the time he was messing with shot guns ?
@jeffsmith2022
@jeffsmith2022 8 лет назад
What was the mag. cap.?
@Gravemoor
@Gravemoor 8 лет назад
+Jeff Smith 13 rounds I believe
@wesleynaylor9853
@wesleynaylor9853 8 лет назад
More handsome than a Winchester.
@millwaterpublishing1387
@millwaterpublishing1387 8 лет назад
What's the deal with the butt-plates on those rifles? Cleaning kit storage or something?
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons 8 лет назад
+Millwater Publishing Cleaning rod storage, yes.
@mattdickson2
@mattdickson2 8 лет назад
+Forgotten Weapons Hey Ian on the carbine are those two flip up sights? If so so what are the ranges I would guess 100, 300, and 500 yards on each sight in order from the basic sight to the longer leaf. Would I be correct there? also it looked like half the rear sight assembly was missing on the full length rifle or was that just my undereducated eye playing tricks on me?
@JonatasAdoM
@JonatasAdoM 7 лет назад
Funny that nowadays companies keep their competitors running so you dom't so you think that you're buying from someone else.
@Jesses001
@Jesses001 8 лет назад
Do you think your involvement with RIA has helped their sales much? I know I have never managed to win an auction yet there, ha, but I wonder if anyone else here has. I guess just bidding and losing helps them a little bit at least though hard to measure.
@CAMSLAYER13
@CAMSLAYER13 8 лет назад
well sales probably aren't much different but more bids = a higher price so the auction house makes more
@mattsmustang65
@mattsmustang65 3 года назад
Future RDR3 gun
@mrcow202
@mrcow202 8 лет назад
Hey! he didn't say "hi im Ian"! how am i supposed to know!!??
@tankerjoe
@tankerjoe 8 лет назад
HOLD UP- WHAT IS THIS GUYS NAME?!?!?! People like this should state their name before beginning. :(
@kevinoliver3083
@kevinoliver3083 6 месяцев назад
Dropping Burgess' name was a marketing ploy to emphasis that the Whitney -Kennedy was "new and improved".
@patrickshannon4854
@patrickshannon4854 2 месяца назад
What was the fate of Hopkins & Allen?
@baneofbanes
@baneofbanes Месяц назад
Went out of business after WW1 ended iirc.
@jameskbarron
@jameskbarron 3 года назад
Rather sad story, really.
@VTPSTTU
@VTPSTTU 5 лет назад
The inability to load without opening the action would be a disadvantage.
@lucianene7741
@lucianene7741 4 года назад
I think all lever actions are like that.
@lucianene7741
@lucianene7741 8 лет назад
The action looks rather flimsy compared to that of a Winchester. And with bolt action and pump action rifles right around the corner, the demise of Whitneyville was something waiting to happen. Nice piece of history though. If I was an executive with the Discovery Channel, National Geographic Channel or the like I would offer Ian a fat contract to make a documentary series on guns.
@randymagnum143
@randymagnum143 4 года назад
Far stronger than a non-Browning Winchester.
@diegoamaral7417
@diegoamaral7417 8 лет назад
first! from Brazil!
@zangetsu1843
@zangetsu1843 8 лет назад
+Diego Amaral nobody gives a shit. from Australia :P
@juniorocicat9573
@juniorocicat9573 8 лет назад
+zangetsu1843 I do.
@DavidStumpGrinder
@DavidStumpGrinder 8 лет назад
+zangetsu1843 same :^)
@MoonMan1267
@MoonMan1267 8 лет назад
+Diego Amaral Huehuehuehuehue
@MrMossberg590a1
@MrMossberg590a1 8 лет назад
Looks like a Marlin 336 and a Winchester 94 bumped uglies and had a bastard child
@douglasfulmer5483
@douglasfulmer5483 8 лет назад
Says a good thing that Winchester wanted to take them out.
@rustyteague8574
@rustyteague8574 2 года назад
Wow 10:1 exp points
@BloodyCrow__
@BloodyCrow__ 4 года назад
From inventing something that inadvertently killed a lot of people to something designed to kill people. lol
@aridicaexmontaudon1296
@aridicaexmontaudon1296 3 года назад
No spin cocking 0/10 Bad design. Lel. Interesting gun,
@burlatsdemontaigne6147
@burlatsdemontaigne6147 8 лет назад
Ian, please sort out your sound. It sounds like you are talking through a 1930s telephone. There is no bass or top end. Furthermore, it makes your very interesting commentaries sound like old public information films - which is a bit of a turn-off to be honest.
@jagx234
@jagx234 8 лет назад
Didn't one of Whitney's slaves come up with though? He just patented it?
@jagx234
@jagx234 8 лет назад
I still learned about some rifles I didn't know existed in any case :)
@randymagnum143
@randymagnum143 4 года назад
Some "history" publications state Whitney observed a slave carding the seeds out with a hand card. Whitney would have been familiar with this process and the hand card had been around for centuries.
@fuzzydunlop7928
@fuzzydunlop7928 7 лет назад
Capitalism: When the highest bidder decides the truth.
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