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Winchester Lever Action Development: Model 1866 

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While the Henry Repeating Rifle had been an serious leap forward in firearms capability, it was not without problems. The biggest single weakness of the Henry was its magazine. The tube magazine was open to dirt and debris, the follower could easily come to rest on the shooter's hand or anything used as a rest and stop the weapon from feeding, and the while system was rather prone to being damaged.
These problems would all be addressed with the addition of Nelson King's new loading gate idea, which allowed Winchester to omit the exposed follower entirely, solving a bunch of complaints all at once. The new system was more durable, more reliable, and allowed the rifle to be loaded without the awkward manipulation required by the Henry. The King improvement also allowed the addition of a wooden handguard, which was a welcome addition - it does not take very many black powder rounds for a barrel to become uncomfortably hot to the touch.
At the same time that these improvements were being made, company politics were taking shape to end Benjamin T. Henry's involvement with the company. Henry attempted to take over ownership of the company because he felt he was not profiting as much as he should, but he had assigned his patent rights to Oliver Winchester in exchange for his contract to manufacture the guns. As a result, Winchester was able to create a new company (the Winchester Repeating Arms Company) with full rights to the design patents and sideline Henry.
The 1866 rifle, which was formally called simply the Winchester Repeating Rifle would continue to use the .44 Henry Rimfire cartridge, but would be made in a wider variety of configurations than the Henry had been, including carbine, rifle, and musket barrel lengths. It would prove to be a very popular rifle, and opened the path to further improvement, as it put the Winchester company on excellent financial footing.
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@whatisbestinlife8112
@whatisbestinlife8112 5 лет назад
Kind of funny how this weapon is so iconic of the American West, yet it was all foreign militaries that adopted it. I just don't picture Turkish or French troops wielding these rifles.
@stefanstoyanov7460
@stefanstoyanov7460 4 года назад
Still the turks got their asses kicked by the front load wielding russo-bulgarian forces in the fifth Russo-Turkish war, same thing happened with the french in the Prussian war. For once the american millitary had the right idea after all. It may have a fast loading/shooting but the range and accuracy was abysmall, rounds can bust your barrel if the gun has overheated et cetera.
@five5105
@five5105 4 года назад
Stefan Stoyanov I think that may have just been because Turkey is Turkey.
@Nyx_2142
@Nyx_2142 4 года назад
@@stefanstoyanov7460 Totally not because of shit tactics and officers. Yup, totally the gun. You can have the best gun in the world and still lost to a fucking rock if you don't know how to properly use it or command your men.
@stefanstoyanov7460
@stefanstoyanov7460 4 года назад
@@Nyx_2142 Propper commanding skill is imperative, true. Fun fact is that most of the Turkish generals were in fact hired western military personnel. This was part of their modernization attempt. And most if not all of them were French! At the battle at Stara Zagora the French commander didn't even bothered to order his men to get in combat formation. He ordered his marching columns to just march against the Bulgarian auxiliary infantry, thinking that they'd run just from the sight of the overwhelming force. Well, it turned out to be the biggest turkey shooting at the time, pun intended. Later on the same idiot decided to pass through the mountain passage of Shipka, occupied by the same 5 000 Bulgarians and 2 000 Russians that humiliated him at Stara Zagora. Probably this move of his was made in order to take revenge on them, otherwise it is nonsensical at best, the Turks occupied many of the mountain passes and he could use them freely to relieve the besieged garrison in Pleven. Long story short, his men got slaughtered again. The winchesters had lower range than the single shot rifles the defenders had, most of their shots were landing on the rocks below, but if they closed in for better chances to shoot, they just were getting crushed below the rocks, barrels and cart pieces l, thrown by the defenders. The battle at Shipka ultimately cost the war for the Turks, their besieged forces in Pleven surrounded after waiting for months to get a relief and the victorious Russian troops marched towards Istanbul.
@Around_blax_dont_relax
@Around_blax_dont_relax 4 года назад
@@stefanstoyanov7460 thank you for your well written and informative post, i appreciate people like you who actually contribute
@RockIslandAuctionCompany
@RockIslandAuctionCompany 7 лет назад
I will always love how beautifully simple the internals are on these old lever guns. Simply elegant.
@therideneverends1697
@therideneverends1697 7 лет назад
I always thought it was more complex untill i saw his last 2 videos
@Master...deBater
@Master...deBater 7 лет назад
The Luger wasn't invented until about 35 years later!!!
@Mike_Rogge
@Mike_Rogge 5 лет назад
@@mkfldargfv why you complaining about the people who let him use this rifle? thank you Rock Island Auction for supporting Ian.
@theinstitute1324
@theinstitute1324 5 лет назад
@@mkfldargfv I was thinking the EXACT same thing in the last video but decided not to comment because I wasn't totally sure if the luger's action had some unknowns that I may have overlooked
@teaser6089
@teaser6089 3 года назад
That's engineering, sometimes the simplest solutions work best haha
@UH1Phil
@UH1Phil 7 лет назад
"Beyond a couple of hundred yards, the bullet has the ballistic trajectory of a brick." - Gun Jesus, 2017
@ricocori2447
@ricocori2447 7 лет назад
Gun Jesus.... :D
@CommodoreFan64
@CommodoreFan64 7 лет назад
All Praise Thy Gun Jesus For He is Great, & He Giveth Thy Information We Seeketh, Forever, & Ever Amen!!!
@kenshiassasin
@kenshiassasin 7 лет назад
Praise his prophet John Moses Browning and his revelation in the year 1911.
@456eec
@456eec 7 лет назад
...and 1885, 1886, 1887, 1892, 1893, 1894, 1895, 1898, 1900, 1902, 1903,1904, 1906, 1908, 1910, 1912, 1917, 1918, 1919, 1935. These were all designated models of firearms designed by JMB. There were also others that didn't have a year designation in the name.
@Ivan-vn1pd
@Ivan-vn1pd 7 лет назад
Praise be onto the name of the Prophet browning, and his disciple St. Dieudonné Saive for giving us the greatest handgun of all time, the M1935 Hi Power
@tisFrancesfault
@tisFrancesfault 7 лет назад
For about 20 years I've always wondered how the loading gate worked. it's so ludicrously simple I'm embarrassed to not of figured it out. I guess that's the virtue of the inventer eh?
@SgtKOnyx
@SgtKOnyx 7 лет назад
I'm sorry, it's a nervous tick. *not have
@JonatasAdoM
@JonatasAdoM 7 лет назад
+SgtKOnyx I know the feeling
@Taolan8472
@Taolan8472 7 лет назад
I'll admit I had a few years of ignorance on this too. I always imagined some kind of mechanism, maybe using the lever to lock it in place. Truly a great example of Keep It Simple, Stupid.
@willtipton100
@willtipton100 5 лет назад
thats how i always felt about extractors and ejectors until like a year ago lol
@TheLumpenMaoist
@TheLumpenMaoist 3 года назад
@@Taolan8472 ahhhhhhhhhhhh dont remind me of how Bethesda killed fucking Fallout, ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
@CountForsycula
@CountForsycula 7 лет назад
I never realized how simple the loading gate is on these rifles. It's amazing how it can make such a difference.
@wishneusky
@wishneusky 7 лет назад
Just a few comments... first, you're becoming the pre-eminent resource for firearms history in your own right. The term that comes to mind is "prolific", and I'm happy to report your Patreon account is the best "buck a month" I've ever spent (although I'll still do the same with/for Othias). Keep up the good work. Second, I'm hoping you do get around to an episode on ERMA. Given your attention to details historic as well as functioning/operation of subject weapons, I think you'd do Herr Geipel proud when (not if) you get around to doing an episode on his place in firearms history. Again, Ian, keep doing what your're doing.
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons 7 лет назад
Thanks!
@wishneusky
@wishneusky 7 лет назад
Nooo.... Thank YOU!!
@mattsmustang65
@mattsmustang65 3 года назад
Just bought a Uberti reproduction of this in .45 colt. It's now my favorite gun to shoot. Incredibly smooth and fast action, excellent accuracy, and best of all it makes you feel like a cowboy.
@DonDon-zm3vz
@DonDon-zm3vz 2 года назад
i need one lol
@0_1_2
@0_1_2 Год назад
It’s too bad that the loading gate on the uberti is a turd. How’s your holding up after two years? Did you end up bending it?
@mattsmustang65
@mattsmustang65 Год назад
@@0_1_2 I have barely shot it. But I have been quite annoyed the few times I have by how stiff the loading gate spring is. I assume that is what you mean? I haven't done anything about it so far other than using the "shotgun method" of inserting a cartridge most of the way in and then pushing it the rest of the way with another cartridge and repeating the process until the last round is loaded. But even then I have had the spring on the loading gate throw a cartridge out once or twice when I didn't have it pushed in far enough. My biggest issue has been due to the gun not having any kind of feed ramp, the semi-wadcutter rounds I have tend to not feed well (it seems to feed fine with the flat-nose ammo though). But I chalked that up to it being a 160 year old design
@luthon
@luthon 7 лет назад
Is this the Winchester which is called "Yellow Boy"?
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons 7 лет назад
Yes.
@evandaire1449
@evandaire1449 7 лет назад
Forgotten Weapons excellent video! Any chance we will get to see the rest of the biographical history videos of different companies? I was really excited to see the one on colt and would love to see more.
@OakedRS
@OakedRS 7 лет назад
WHOAAAA us California boys now have a way of shooting 10+ rounds without reloading!! THIS IS STILL CUTTING EDGE TECHNOLOGY IN CALIFORNIA.
@sb-ant6457
@sb-ant6457 5 лет назад
The US should invald, and bring enlightenment.
@Grimmwoldds
@Grimmwoldds 5 лет назад
@@sb-ant6457 Seriously, no. We're quarantine.
@FuzedBox
@FuzedBox 5 лет назад
@@Grimmwoldds That quarantine is a miserable failure, because the infection has spread.
@deepfriedpotatoes9888
@deepfriedpotatoes9888 4 года назад
FuzedBox this comment has not aged well
@oerlikon20mm29
@oerlikon20mm29 4 года назад
So true
@SpectralNova
@SpectralNova 7 лет назад
I love waking up to a new forgotten weapons video.
@RebSike
@RebSike 7 лет назад
Ian, have you thought of doing a video on the Luger 1906 rifle? I know you wrote an article about it, but it would be invaluable to have actual video of one and its operation. there isn't even one video and only 1-2 images available. Maybe you could try to get access to one the next time youre in the UK, I believe there's one in an Irish museum. (and one may or may not belong to Interarms in Virginia, I read that on the Forgotten Weapons site comments)
@inspecteurjohnson2548
@inspecteurjohnson2548 7 лет назад
RebSike I wanted to ask for the same thing I hope we'll see this video someday
@cowboywoodard2569
@cowboywoodard2569 5 лет назад
your wrong
@sonnygunz9207
@sonnygunz9207 5 лет назад
Original MSR (Modern Sporting Rifle). Lever guns are still just as useful (light , fast, accurate, reliable and tough) today as they were 153yrs ago too.
@mattmorrisson9607
@mattmorrisson9607 7 лет назад
Loving this series, Ian! As a kid, my favorite western was The Rifleman, starring Chuck Connors as the fast shooting hero. I believe he used an 1892 model Winchester. Can't wait to get to that episode!
@hugebartlett1884
@hugebartlett1884 2 года назад
Nothing much honourable about Oliver Winchester,having bought out the Spencer business,and sacked the labour force. He wasn't above conning his prospective investors either. But he did make them rich.
@TheBitwise
@TheBitwise 7 лет назад
It kind of seems to me like they cut Henry a raw deal.
@Nyx_2142
@Nyx_2142 4 года назад
Seems more like he got greedy and shafted himself.
@seansimpson4472
@seansimpson4472 4 года назад
Both of both I think but the lesson henry should have learned was a bit of something is better than all of nothing.
@ZGryphon
@ZGryphon 3 года назад
@@seansimpson4472 Or, more cynically, when you're dealing with money men, if you don't let them screw you a little, they're more than happy to screw you a lot.
@SFDPSFDP
@SFDPSFDP 3 года назад
@@ZGryphon especially at that time
@Sssthpok
@Sssthpok 3 года назад
capitalism, baby !
@CCW1911
@CCW1911 7 лет назад
Interestingly Winchester stamped an H on the bottom of their 22 rimfire ammo many years later in honor of Henry.
@adamhafiddin9564
@adamhafiddin9564 3 года назад
this is my favorite gun for O'driscoll hunting
@squidy4082
@squidy4082 3 года назад
I wish on rd2 you could change the barrel lengths of these guns :/
@dark2023-1lovesoni
@dark2023-1lovesoni 2 года назад
I had to chrome the receiver to make it look more like a Winchester '94
@squidy4082
@squidy4082 2 года назад
@@dark2023-1lovesoni yeah that would be a good gun, kinda would ruin all the other guns thkugh lol
@johnoneil9188
@johnoneil9188 7 лет назад
I really like the design and the look of the Winchesters, both rifle and carbine. They look pretty simple but are also very nice to look at in their way. But I was not aware that they hold 17 rounds. That was a hell of a lot back in those days.
@ringowunderlich2241
@ringowunderlich2241 7 лет назад
The most intriguing part is how simple, but effective guns like the Henry- and Winchesterrifles can be. The whole line, beginning with the Volcanic pistol up to to the 1896 Winchester made for imperial Russia makes a small, but very fine collection.
@gafrancisco
@gafrancisco 5 лет назад
Whenever i see or heard about this gun ... my thought always is "The Rifleman"
@nicksmith2680
@nicksmith2680 7 лет назад
Wow, he didn't say "yellow boy" once....
@Th3Sabator45
@Th3Sabator45 6 лет назад
which is very nice
@Th3Sabator45
@Th3Sabator45 5 лет назад
I think my favorite recollection of a 66 winchester that I read was by Finn Burnett. He said that in early 67 outside of Omaha,NE, him and another man got into a shootout with some lakota. During the fight one of the natives dropped a rifle. When they went to pick it up it was a 66 carbine. First kind that they ever saw according to him. Goes to show the gun running ring was strong in early 1867
@gud2go50
@gud2go50 2 года назад
Ian, I love your video's. You must have a Doctorate in Firearms History. Thanks for educating us all.
@midimusicforever
@midimusicforever 4 года назад
Turkey? I think you mean the Ottoman Empire? There was no country called Turkey in the 19th century.
@marting3928
@marting3928 7 лет назад
Favorite series yet! Thanks so much for doing Levergun Genesis. It's almost like you are catering to me personally, first the SA80, then the Winchester leverguns..... could Colt Police Positives be next??? ;) Fantastic as always, keep em coming!
@kainhall
@kainhall 7 лет назад
their is a quote out their..from the period...something like... "no civilian man needs the firepower of the Henry rifle" its VERY similar to what people say about semi auto 30 round black rifles....
@stephanematis
@stephanematis 6 лет назад
Wish today's so called Henry company would add the King's Loading Gate.
@jonintheredZ06
@jonintheredZ06 5 лет назад
Well both Uberti and Winchester manufacture replicas of this particular version of the rifle. I have a Navy Arm/Uberti Henry 1860 and honestly I'd rather save the extra money buying the italian replica. It's just as smooth and is a fraction of the price.
@austinrice3483
@austinrice3483 5 лет назад
You got your wish, they introduced that a little bit ago
@roberthahn3710
@roberthahn3710 3 года назад
Finally they have
@N-i-L
@N-i-L 2 года назад
They do. You just have to buy specific models that have it, and they're generally more expensive.
@stephanematis
@stephanematis 2 года назад
@@N-i-L Note ... this comment and thread is 3 years old. Yes, Henry listened.
@HughesEnterprises
@HughesEnterprises 7 лет назад
The Winchester '66 and '95 are my favorite leverguns. Both revolutionary and beautiful guns.
@thegoldencaulk2742
@thegoldencaulk2742 7 лет назад
6:50 I think you said Henry twice when you meant Henry and then Winchester
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons 7 лет назад
Oops.
@jonathanpresson777
@jonathanpresson777 6 лет назад
Forgotten Weapons I recently saw something called a "Pirlot Brothers Winchester Copy" from, I believe, the 1870's. I would love to see your thoughts on one of those if you ever get a chance. This one was marked 44cf.
@benjamindaviesscott7876
@benjamindaviesscott7876 6 лет назад
TheGoldenCaulk I
@kg6qzx
@kg6qzx 6 лет назад
These videos are amazing. We all knew exactly what you meant and had no doubt about your knowledge, in fact I learn things each time I watch one of your videos Ian and I’ve been a collector for many many years. Sharing of knowledge makes the hobby that much more fun. Happy Fathers Day.
@sunburstbasser
@sunburstbasser 7 лет назад
Any chance you could do a series on the Marlin lever action development? I'd be interested in seeing what is taken from Winchester and what is original to the Marlins.
@nathanphillips3251
@nathanphillips3251 5 лет назад
Lately I've been looking into the lever action competitors to the Winchester series of repeaters, like the Marlins and later Savage and Remington. I would love to see some more info on those company's repeaters.
@MP-zf7kg
@MP-zf7kg 3 года назад
My understanding is the Plains Indians were very fond of these rifles.
@AdamHemi
@AdamHemi 7 лет назад
I thought he looks like a gun Jesus. Turns out he IS the Gun Jesus Praise Gun Jesus
@gnomehater63
@gnomehater63 7 лет назад
Hey Ian that's my 1866 carbine I put up for consignment with rock island. Thanks for showing it off.
@troy9477
@troy9477 7 лет назад
Love these development videos. I always thought there was a spring behind the loading gate. Did not realize it was spring steel. Didn't know the full patent and company history either. Sounds like Henry over-reached a little, and Ollie Winchester was pretty shrewd. Great video as always. Thank you
@christopherrowley7506
@christopherrowley7506 2 года назад
Yep. Patent law protects investors, not innovators. It was true then and even more true now.
@joedonnelly387
@joedonnelly387 7 лет назад
Gorgeous firearm, cheers Ian!
@samuelreed2994
@samuelreed2994 3 года назад
the native americans used the winchester "yellow boy" quite often against the US military, who did not use the winchester... probably one reason why the Souix were never defeated.
@BorisZech
@BorisZech 5 лет назад
Why haven't these repeating rifles been used by European armies? Why did they mostly stick with bolt action rifles?
@58jharris
@58jharris 5 лет назад
I think bolt action rifles were generally more more accurate and could fire actual rifle rounds which of course had greater power and range than the pistol type rounds that lever actions were designed to use. The U.S. military never made any extensive use of lever actions either for those reasons.
@bosknight7837
@bosknight7837 5 лет назад
Boris Zech they thought that war would be fought at a much longer range than it actually was in reality - and as Ian said,the Winchester was more of a close range rifle
@carlosromanikaoss3063
@carlosromanikaoss3063 4 года назад
Many reasons: Bolt action is more robust and works better with high power ammo, is easier to use from prone possition. Also, tubular mags don't get well with pointy ammo...
@foch3
@foch3 4 года назад
@@carlosromanikaoss3063 How useful is prone in a trench?
@MrBioniclefan1
@MrBioniclefan1 7 лет назад
Now what got me hyped for this auction is a pure Short Magazine Lee Enfield Mark III
@Professionalpatternrecognizer
@Professionalpatternrecognizer 7 лет назад
Call me crazy but you should number this series of videos.
@hunter_of_man6613
@hunter_of_man6613 4 года назад
Starts at 1860 and goes up so they're kinda indirectly numbered Of course you commented this 2 years ago and have probably figured that out
@dongargon763
@dongargon763 3 года назад
The old familiar tale of the inventor getting screwed and the shrewd and unscrupulous business man reaping the rewards
@JusuchinPanjirinanu
@JusuchinPanjirinanu 7 лет назад
Ian McCollum taking over the work Ian V. Hogg started in keeping my interest in firearms well up.
@ristopoho824
@ristopoho824 5 лет назад
Heck it i'm in mood for history. I just wanted a video about any of the winchester rifles because red dead redemption. But yea i need to watch the whole playlist.
@wishneusky
@wishneusky 7 лет назад
Just another comment or two, on Henry's design..... He (Henry) was a contemporary of Hugo Borchardt, who (Hugo) had spent some time here in the US before returning to Europe. Is there any truth to the belief that Borchardt may have been inspired by Henry''s toggle action to develop his C93? If that's true, then Borchardt may be the father of the toggle action pistol, but Henry would then be the grandfather. And, as regards the problem of the magazine follower on the 1860 Henry (the "Henry Hop" you call it).... I wonder what stood in Henry's way to develop a wooden forearm to enclose the offending follower in its travels... and shield the shooter's hand from a heated barrel in the process. Looking at my own Winchester 9422 (same general idea), there would have been other ways to deal with the problems of the original tubular magazine slung under the barrel obviating the need for the King's patent loading gate. 20-20 hindsight I suppose.
@Angry_Peanut_52
@Angry_Peanut_52 4 года назад
The Lancaster Repeater
@futuresonex
@futuresonex 5 лет назад
Ironically, and this is the case with many Old West type guns, there are far more replicas in the world today than were ever made by Winchester, and you don't even have to get it in rimfire!
@ethancole1697
@ethancole1697 3 года назад
Who's here from red dead redemption 2?
@ResistTheNonsense
@ResistTheNonsense 7 лет назад
When you talk about the safety you did not mention that there is a trigger block safety that is released when the lever is squeezed against the stock/ frame. At 14:32 on your video you can see the pin that sticks down out of the frame. If I am correct this 1866 has the same trigger block safety as the 1873 has. When you grip the gun ready to fire you are squeezing the lever against this pin and releasing the trigger block safety.
@fustigate314159
@fustigate314159 6 лет назад
I wondered how this got passed over, too.
@richardelliott9511
@richardelliott9511 5 лет назад
Early 66s did not have that out if battery trigger safety. That "pin" you are seeing is just the hammer spring screw protruding a bit. That safety wasn't added until the 73 was introduced.
@mehmednedjib7361
@mehmednedjib7361 7 лет назад
Maybe the sales to the Ottoman empire are the reason why we've got plenty of Lever action guns here in Bulgaria... Our revolutionaries had 2 each. And don't forget that the battle of Plevna(Pleven), where these guns distinguished themselves with their rate of fire, is also in Bulgaria...
@douglaspalmer9678
@douglaspalmer9678 5 лет назад
If you are interested in old American weapons and might be anywhere near Chattanooga TN spend a couple of hours, or more, at the Chickamauga national battlefield in Fort Oglethorpe GA. They house the Fuller gun collection which includes over a hundred mostly civil war Era weapons. The collection includes a coffee mill sharps, a revolver rifle and many other unique specimens. FT . OGLETHORPE is just across the state line in Georgia easily accessible to I 75. No cost. The collection is in the visitor center. The battlefield is also a nice day trip.
@noahluke3152
@noahluke3152 6 лет назад
Winchester 1866 confirmed for Red Dead Redemption 2
@philipshearer5286
@philipshearer5286 5 лет назад
You can customise them to make them look like 73s
@314299
@314299 7 лет назад
Absolutely the original "Assault Rifle".
@hook86
@hook86 6 лет назад
Beautiful rifle! I just got a remanufactured version of this and I'm glad to see it's so close to the original! The saddle ring is missing on the new Winchester M66s, though, I wish they included it!
@Beemer917
@Beemer917 4 года назад
Was the rifle like John Wayne always used, with the great big loop in the loading lever , factory or gunsmith?
@kingev101
@kingev101 4 года назад
That was custom smithed for John Wayne.
@warrenharrison9490
@warrenharrison9490 4 года назад
His hands were massive, hollywood armorers fashioned it for him.
@N-i-L
@N-i-L 2 года назад
The Mares leg that showed up in so many westerns? With a custom lever and barrel for flip cocking?
@dr.william.a.horton
@dr.william.a.horton 5 лет назад
U should totally look into getting your PhD
@poiuytrewq11422
@poiuytrewq11422 5 лет назад
Let that be a lesson to people, greed screws you over.
@stephenbond1990
@stephenbond1990 7 лет назад
Always thought these were oddly beautiful guns, another great video.
@totenkopf28
@totenkopf28 7 лет назад
Maybe the end of development is the M1895 rifle with spitzer round (i guess)
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons 7 лет назад
Yes, that will be the final video in this series.
@thelegendaryklobb2879
@thelegendaryklobb2879 7 лет назад
Can't wait for that one!
@fastmongrel
@fastmongrel 7 лет назад
Wouldnt the end of lever development be the 1901 shotgun
@batrobertson8012
@batrobertson8012 5 лет назад
Winchester model 88... I know that’s an unpopular opinion, but as THE last new Winchester lever action to be designed and sold, surely that makes it the end development?
@pikeywyatt
@pikeywyatt 7 лет назад
thanks Ian just want more (cowboy things).
@Ikaros---
@Ikaros--- 7 лет назад
This channel is probably my favorite channel on youtube. although I live in the UK and I don't have too much hands on experience with firearms, I really enjoy shooting. I find the history and development of firearms very interesting, and Ian does a great job of explaining this, and it's easy to see how passionate he is about guns in every video. All hail gun jesus.
@dark2023-1lovesoni
@dark2023-1lovesoni 2 года назад
Oh, yes, as an American I understand. The engineering and/or history in firearms design is just as interesting as any use, depending on the viewer.
@rolux4853
@rolux4853 Год назад
You guys in the UK can buy certain firearms without a ridiculously expensive license and a year of training right? That’s at least what I heard. We in Germany have to go through a 3000€ licensing process which includes the training you need to attend. Training is definitely a very good thing, but the prices are very problematic. Also hunting is only allowed in private forests and not everyone has at least 250.000€ laying around to buy a forest. If you’re lucky and know a person with a forest you can pay him money to hunt in his forest, but having those contacts is quite rare. Guns and hunting in Germany is still a thing for the rich, like in the old farmer and servant times where nobody was allowed to take anything from the forest. The United States are so much better where everyone can hunt for food, not only the richest people. That’s what freedom and democracy should look like everywhere on the world! Not like here in Germany where it still feels like you’re serving a master, which isn’t a local Lord anymore, but the government that’s suppressing our freedoms. Before Hitler we could at least own some firearms like in Austria. Hitler took them away from every German, and all the other following governments loved this idea of Hitler that the people of Germany should have no rights to own guns, for whatever purpose. Besides the rich of course like always.
@DukeNukem5555
@DukeNukem5555 7 лет назад
I want an 1866 Musket with a saber bajonet now, screw the carbine !
@thelegendaryklobb2879
@thelegendaryklobb2879 7 лет назад
And then install picattiny rails for a red dot sight, front grip, laser and flashlight! Oooh, tacticool Winchester
@DukeNukem5555
@DukeNukem5555 7 лет назад
no thanks mister Mossberg rep
@genericpersonx333
@genericpersonx333 7 лет назад
Join the Turkish Army in 1877 and you could have one compliments of the Sultan provided you pointed it at his many enemies. He would probably not let you take it home after service though.
@vandabo
@vandabo 7 лет назад
Loving the deep dives into the development of various weapon systems in multi-video series. Thanks!
@emiliomoreno3256
@emiliomoreno3256 7 лет назад
Is there a difference between rounded or octagonal barrels besides cosmetic?
@genericpersonx333
@genericpersonx333 7 лет назад
Basically, the octagonal barrel is somewhat heavier and more rigid, which some people like. Other people like the feel and handling of the octagonal barrel. For sure, it is easier to lean an octagonal barrel against a table edge than a round barrel, something that would be important to many people who are intending to carry this thing around everywhere they go.
@emiliomoreno3256
@emiliomoreno3256 7 лет назад
Thanks.
@tylerbuchholz3234
@tylerbuchholz3234 7 лет назад
Emilio Moreno One of the biggest differences is the way octagonal will heat up slower, and the bigger area for heat dispersion. Especially helpful after doing a "tube dump".....lol.
@juanzulu2755
@juanzulu2755 5 лет назад
What I have always wondered: why did the military worldwide not see the potential advantage of the lever repeating mechanism as opposed to the bolt one? It is so much faster and u can stay on target that it nearly becomes a semi automatic rifle. For example, those Winchesters carbines would have been the perfect weapon in ww1 for all strom- and assault units. Any ideas?
@WindowLickingDeer
@WindowLickingDeer 5 лет назад
The short range of repeating rifle cartridges was not ideal. Plus bolt action rifles were easier to cycle in the prone position.
@juanzulu2755
@juanzulu2755 5 лет назад
@@WindowLickingDeer Yes, probably. well, there were more powerful cartridges designed for repeating rifles later on. But the last point really seemed to be the reason. Unflexible military thinking. If a ak47 can be shot in prone position it shouldnt be much of a prob for a repeating gun either.
@spef7396
@spef7396 7 лет назад
groovy vid ian, thanks
@mike9338
@mike9338 7 лет назад
spef I love this photo, I have no idea how to even access photos on RU-vid what did you do to make this your profile pic?
@spef7396
@spef7396 7 лет назад
just print screen and MS paint my dude
@TheOriginalZimmy
@TheOriginalZimmy 7 лет назад
spef that's some impressive MS paint skills
@firstspeffan4845
@firstspeffan4845 7 лет назад
groovy comment spef, thanks
@blakecaliper5406
@blakecaliper5406 7 лет назад
spef good to see you again!
@superuberziggy
@superuberziggy 7 лет назад
spef beat me again
@davidtong2776
@davidtong2776 6 лет назад
The close range firepower of the Ottoman Winchester's, saved the Ottoman Empire in the Russo-Turkish War.
@BlackWolf-vs6uo
@BlackWolf-vs6uo 4 года назад
Ottoman empire died long before that war though
@MegaBeartrap
@MegaBeartrap 7 лет назад
I remember the 1866 in Hell on Wheels, I loved Cullen Bohannon.
@BlackWolf-vs6uo
@BlackWolf-vs6uo 4 года назад
Great show
@badgerdan8114
@badgerdan8114 7 лет назад
Love these old western type of guns. I hope you can do more weapons from this time period as there just really interesting.
@christophergreen5002
@christophergreen5002 7 лет назад
Those French soldiers who were issued one of these in 1870 must have felt invincible.. what an amazing weapon!
@bumpercoach
@bumpercoach 3 года назад
live by the businessman beating out the inventor ... DIE by the businessman presuming to beat out the inventor... decades later WRA loses million$$ banishing Browning
@grantpilcher8402
@grantpilcher8402 Год назад
I have 3 original Winchesters rifles 1873 ,1886 and 1894 and a Uberti 1866 reproduction my favourite is my original 1873 saddle ring carbine model 1
@kutamsterdam
@kutamsterdam 7 лет назад
In honour of his work the .22 longrifle cartridge is marked on the bottom with a capital H for Henry. .....right Ian?!.
@sthenzel
@sthenzel 7 лет назад
Probably that stands for whoever made the ammo, like Hornady or Hirtenberger. Fiocchi and RWS do not have an "H" on the bottom.
@SgtKOnyx
@SgtKOnyx 7 лет назад
Pitt Brad don't think so
@kutamsterdam
@kutamsterdam 7 лет назад
Oh ...well i read that somewhere .... i guess that was fake news then ....
@SgtKOnyx
@SgtKOnyx 7 лет назад
Pitt Brad I've got some CCI at home I'll check
@SgtKOnyx
@SgtKOnyx 7 лет назад
Pitt Brad Unless the h is microscopic, it was fake news
@brianj.841
@brianj.841 3 года назад
As Othias in his EXCELLENT series, C&Rsenal, during the war, everyone was producing what they had, and the North had to produce A LOT of rifles. After-wards, the down-sized military was out west where EVERYTHING had to be packed out. And the government was spending on "more important things". (I'm trying to be delicate.) The 'PTB' didn't want the troops to have multi-shot rifles in fear they'd use it too fast.
@brianj.841
@brianj.841 3 года назад
Edit: I am amused that the cavalry ring dates to the middle ages. Good ideas last the test of time it seems.
@davidgreen5099
@davidgreen5099 7 лет назад
great video , Ian, I want a lever action so much, cause, the rifleman, wanted dead or alive,etc..
@Horologist-zu5vq
@Horologist-zu5vq 5 лет назад
A classic example of Dont Bite the hand that feeds ya. Henry 🤨
@user-kv8ck7op3i
@user-kv8ck7op3i 4 года назад
Yep. And don't sign a contract without understanding and accepting what you're agreeing to.
@bendiksbendiks1859
@bendiksbendiks1859 2 года назад
But come to think of it, Henry was right. He rightly wanted the company back in his hands. Winchester he got rich and made his money on Henry's back. If it wasn't for Henry Winchester He wouldn't do this business with these rifles lever action. Henry himself would have guessed at this rear-loading door. All this money belonged to Henry. Winchester was superfluous and Henry did not have to start dancing with him. I also know a lot of technologies and inventions that I can produce, sell and make money, but I don't go to any rich person to sponsor me, because it will be like Henry's, they will steal the knowledge and technology of work and production. That is why humanity is developing slowly, it is developing with fatal tendencies because people are ready to steal the knowledge, skills of the inventor and the bad rich people gain from this, and for the one who invented it, a penny.
@Echowhiskeyone
@Echowhiskeyone 7 лет назад
Wonderful video. I have always loved lever guns and have a few of my own. They look beautiful and shoot great. Maybe not the best gun ever, but it is my favorite.
@hugebartlett1884
@hugebartlett1884 2 года назад
Ok so long as you had the cash to buy all those cartridges,and could find a township somewhere with a well supplied gunstore. Not really like the movies where there's a town just out of sight,with a store selling everything you need,and plenty of it.
@crowridge1
@crowridge1 5 лет назад
What does the F stand for below the serial number? Mine has an L....
@brianreddeman951
@brianreddeman951 7 лет назад
Awesome video series. The Henry rifle although obsolete is still a fun rifle to shoot and the history of its development makes for an interesting story of engineering and business decisions.
@davidhutchison3343
@davidhutchison3343 6 лет назад
Looks much a simple design, yet far advance of the mussel loaders that were still in use at the same time.
@keithlincoln1309
@keithlincoln1309 2 года назад
Lever action is my all time favorite rifle. Learning soooo much.! Great series!
@bendiksbendiks1859
@bendiksbendiks1859 2 года назад
Then, in fact, how the story goes. Henry's heirs became Smith Welson and what happened next
@drmaudio
@drmaudio 7 лет назад
Man, does that gun have a convoluted design history. Hunt, Jennings, Henry, Smith & Wesson, Henry again, then King, and last, but certainly not least, Browning. I'm still not sure I got everyone.
@cowboywoodard2569
@cowboywoodard2569 5 лет назад
good ol Browning made the lever action better, Winchester was a hat maker and a investor
@steveferris663
@steveferris663 2 месяца назад
Must admit the 73 side plates are much more user friendly. Lever screw holds the 66 side plate.
@steveferris663
@steveferris663 2 месяца назад
Yes, Black Powder GETS VERY HOT … VERY FAST
@lesterpaul9657
@lesterpaul9657 4 года назад
Why was the Winchester rifle not interesting for european armies? Did prussian officers carried any handweapons around that time?
@bumpercoach
@bumpercoach 3 года назад
too bad they didnt have an 1800s concept like the SAW gunner
@Cohac
@Cohac 7 лет назад
I have an idea for a video for you guys! Bolt-action or Lever action - which was actually faster? Take a late-19th century lever action (say winchester 1895) and a turn-of-the-century bolt-action rifle (1903, G98, Lee enfield) and run a course with them. Lever guns are definately faster while the magazine lasts, but how does the readloading stack up to stripper clips in bolt actions?
@genericpersonx333
@genericpersonx333 7 лет назад
Interesting idea though it is important to note the Winchester 1895, the only real full-powered repeating rifle to use lever-action at the time, had a top-loading box magazine so its reloading would not be significantly different. The only cartridge to really be used in both tube-loading lever-actions and box-magazine bolt-actions is the .22LR so you would really need to do this experiment with .22LR rifles, not military arms from the end of the century before last.
@Cohac
@Cohac 7 лет назад
Eustace Stritchers crap. I forgot about that bit. Are there any tube-fed lever actions with a full power cartridge?
@victorescat8518
@victorescat8518 7 лет назад
Cohac Well I've got marlin lever action in 45-70
@genericpersonx333
@genericpersonx333 7 лет назад
.45-70 would count. On the lower-end for sure, but a bullet that can kill a man at a mile certainly counts as a full-powered rifle round in my book. That could work for the experiment and would actually be viable for 2-gun ACM if one was not interested in placing anywhere near the top.
@lakewooded4929
@lakewooded4929 7 лет назад
Growing up in a time when cowboy movies and television shows were the norm, every kid knew about the Winchester. How many do today?
@Lucas02000
@Lucas02000 4 года назад
Just the kids who played Red Dead Redemption 1 and 2 like myself.
@davidgreen5099
@davidgreen5099 7 лет назад
anybody know the original retail cost of these rifles?
@nathanaelgodson3994
@nathanaelgodson3994 4 года назад
Most Beautifull weapon next to the M1 Garant
@PromotedPawnTV
@PromotedPawnTV 7 лет назад
Favorite Forgotten Weapons series yet! Can't wait for more!
@sonnygunz9207
@sonnygunz9207 4 года назад
I had the privilege of handling an original 1866 saddle ring carbine yesterday at the gun show. If that old girl could talk... amazing piece. The gentleman wanted $6k for it and it was in worse shape than the one in front of you. One day I’ll find the perfect ‘66 for me.
@bassnut57
@bassnut57 5 лет назад
I wonder if repeating rifles weren't adopted much in the American civil war because it was Americans killing Americans as in a duel. It wouldn't be "civil". I understand that grape-shot was used but beyond that it was sometimes brother against brother when ideology, courage and tactics and muzzle loading rifle skills won the day. I'm only guessing.
@wsmvolunteers8588
@wsmvolunteers8588 5 лет назад
I believe the reluctance to adopt repeating rifles in the Civil War was due to two factors: 1st, the inevitable reluctance of desk-bound generals to incorporate new technology and their fear that soldiers would "waste" ammunition. 2nd was a matter of supply chains. If you double the number of rounds each soldier can fire (let alone increasing it by a factor of 17 with the Henry), you also must increase the number of wagons, horses, support troops, etc. necessary to supply front line troops.
@lumbagoboi1649
@lumbagoboi1649 18 дней назад
The only good thing micah ever did was give arthur one of these bad boys
@Fractal_blip
@Fractal_blip 5 лет назад
Henry got double-finessed.
@Imtahotep
@Imtahotep 4 месяца назад
With Ian, you couldn't want for a better presenter.
@capscaps04
@capscaps04 3 года назад
I´m only here because of Draco from samurai shodown.
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