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In Frank Herbert's Dune saga, the technocrats of planet Ix make a significant rise to power and contribute greatly to the technology of the Duniverse. With Denis Villeneuve's adaptation on its way, I've been exploring the characters, organizations and elements that make up this fascinating universe. In this video I dive into the history of the Ixians from the original Dune series, Brian Herbert's expanded universe, as well as details included in the de-canonized Dune Encyclopedia.
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@erikbjelke4411 2 года назад

Ix is the only place that looked at the Butlerian Jihad and thought "You know, maybe getting rid of all computers is kind of like throwing the baby out with the bathwater?"

@randomcenturion7264 Год назад

Yeah. Sure, Skynet is bad but all this weird genecraft isn't a whole lot better.

@jakubsramek2127 10 месяцев назад

@@randomcenturion7264it wasn't Skynet situation, Herbert was clear that those machines were used by some humans to enslave all the other humans. Getting rid of those machines was about taking crutch from humanity in order to learn to walk on its own, utilizing it's full potential much like you do when you take the learning wheels off of kid's bicycle, getting rid of the vulnerability that dependency on machines brings. Because someone has to create and maintain those machines, and if you can't live without them, that makes you dependent and subservient to those who control those machines. Current world is full of examples of this dependency and people are reduced as a result to lesser versions of themselves.

@randomcenturion7264 10 месяцев назад

@@jakubsramek2127 And yet, they just swapped machines for Spice. Now they're entirely dependent on who controls the Spice. They traded one crutch for another.

@Muad_Dib. 4 месяца назад

@@randomcenturion7264thus is the golden path!

@Reoh0z 3 года назад

Everybody, "The Machines were the bane of mankind." Ixians, "Let's make self evolving machines designed to kill humans!"

@Patriotgal1 3 года назад

Life Imitates Art. :(

@deepaksingh-ku9uf 3 года назад

basically geth from mass effect ?😂

@gargoyles9999 2 года назад

Perfectly balanced, as all things should be

@Fridaey13txhOktober 2 года назад

"Let us do or stuff or the Universe will become a lot more dangerous..."

@sygmarvexarion7891 2 года назад

Not in the way described in Terminator and the likes. The Butlerian Jihad was a rebellion against the the idea that Humanity was too attached to machines and technology as a whole. There was no robot uprising, it was just a lot of people with an almost religious hatred for AI, fighting other people who didn't see AI as a problem. There was no Man vs. Machine war, more like Man vs. Man with Machine.

@thschnick 3 года назад

I always liked Frank Herbert's Ix more than Brian Herbert's. Making Ix just another fiefdom makes the universe kind of samey. Frank Herbert's technocratic Ix also makes more sense considering the society's technological wonders.

@NerdCookies 3 года назад

Agreed

@ultimoguerreiro82 3 года назад

I tend to consider Brian's work "decent" fan fiction.

@anydaynow01 3 года назад

I agree the technocracy is best in how it ensures Ix remains at the pointy end of tech development and didn't become stagnant like the great houses eventually become from time to time. Yet I do like how Brian "starts" Ix as the result of the work of a great house, much like how the USA was started by a monarchy, since the common identity, capital, discipline, and outcome focus to seed such an enterprise is most successfully controlled from a single source. Then having the Ixian technocracy take control as the intellectual enterprise out grew the ability for one house to manage, it just made sense to me for explaining the basic focus and unified identity the Ixians have maintained through thousands of years.

@anydaynow01 3 года назад

@@ultimoguerreiro82 Yep I totally agree, especially with Brian and Kevin's earlier books. And the pacing of Brian's stories is off, but I think he is finding his stride. After all there were discrepancies in Frank's early work also, before the stories we know and love now were polished into existence.

@ultimoguerreiro82 3 года назад

@@anydaynow01 Nothing wrong with fanficton. I like it, make my own. (I have one about Boromir and the retake of Western Osgiliath that´s quite ok). The problem is, Frank is dead. We could never know what he would develop, had he the time. It´s not like Christopher Tolkien or Brian Sanderson working on The Wheel of Time, where things were alreay set.

@corujariousa 3 года назад

It is expected that Ixians would not give up their technological superiority and benefits that come from it. The dominance of the Space Guild due to an exaggerated decision to ban even computers, not only AIs, was likely to cause great dissatisfaction. I'd expect a black market to be created to allow computer assisted space travel and independence from the Space Guild. All would work under great risk, off course. It would be great to have a TV series explorer the many facets of the Dune universe.

@DAVA653 2 года назад

Iirc in god emperor the Ixians are secretly working on a navigation AI due to Letos spice rations.

@corujariousa 2 года назад

@@DAVA653 I have not yet read the books but I expect that move to be known and tolerated for some reason. The idea of abolishing all more advanced computing system seems extreme and coming out of trauma/fear from the AI wars. Had good results in terms of evolution for the beings in the Dune universe but still not ideal and rational.

@blakespidey 2 года назад

@@corujariousa Leto II, God Emperor, is the single most oppressive dictator in the history of the Dune universe, and nothing happened without his knowledge. His prescience allowed him to know everything that happened in his Known Universe. So anything that happened during his almost 4000 year reign happened ONLY because he allowed iI. Even his eventual death is widely accepted to only have happened because he allowed it as part of his Golden Path

@Kesedrith 3 года назад

"Many machines on Ix. Better than those on Richese."

@eccremocarpusscaber5159 3 года назад

Many new machines.

@cameltoast 2 года назад

What was this referencing again? Golas?

@aalb1873 2 года назад

Richese machines are useless and always broken: no value for money.

@cameltoast 2 года назад

@@aalb1873 so Ix is like Sony and Richese is like Coby

@jameslavelle5428 2 года назад

I DID NOT SAY THIS. I AM NOT HERE.

@mistermysteryman107 2 года назад

I’ve always been fascinated with what their world would look like on the big screen.

@steampunkskunk3638 3 года назад

I always got the impression from Frank's books and the Dune Encyclopedia that IX was ruled by an oligarchic, technocratic council. The inquisitors of IX were the agents and spokespeople of that council. That how I always imagined it.

@genmaicha.lapsang 3 года назад

Interesting interpretation. I got the feeling that it was democracy with maybe a constitutional Monarch. It's described as a confederation which is what Canada is and the UK too (in its own way.)

@MyLordRock Год назад

This is why I think Franks Version of Ixians was better, Being a more Free Society without the Rule of a Great House there Innovation would go on without end, But the way Brian Writes it, I highly doubt any Great House that Ruled over Ix would have allowed them to develop there Tech as far as they did by the time of Leo II.

@emanimal728 3 года назад

In comic books there is a thing called ret-coning, or resetting the universe that the comic takes place in. Brian Herbert and Kevin Anderson are doing their own ret-con. It is possible that Frank Herbert may have made a few of the same changes as Brian and Kevin (if he were alive to still continue the series), but I suspect he would have had more elegant explanations for the changes. After all, Frank Herbert talked about how unstable "the truth" is.

@jimmywrangles 3 года назад

I'd been wondering what retcon meant for ages but was afraid to ask, thank you.

@emanimal728 3 года назад

@@jimmywrangles Retroactive Continuity. Changing the previous continuity. You're welcome!

@anydaynow01 3 года назад

Yes, reading some of the real original Dune short stories and novellas in comparison to how Frank eventually combined them into the Dune novel as we know it was pretty eye opening. I agree with some of the changes Frank made but others I kind of liked how they were. For example Leto I survives and actually travels the desert with Paul, it was such a great father son bond building experience. I think it would have been easy to include Lady Jessica also and let her take her Dune novel path. Also the nature of the spice story was changed for the better. There were changes Frank wanted to make that Brian stumbled on in Frank's notes, and he made them for his father, but like you said Brian and Kevin's lack of experience in their first books made those changes quite rough around the edges.

@msj7872 3 года назад

Although I appreciated the information fleshed out in the Herbert/Anderson books I was always aware that Frank's voice was not there.

@Head-Gein 2 года назад

Well put.

@raklein92 3 года назад

I LOVE nerding out with my coffee and watching your DUNE videos on NEW Years Day!!!!!! 😍😍😍 Thank You for your hard work putting these out... they are AMAZING!

@NerdCookies 3 года назад

Thank you SO MUCH for the support! ❤

@alanloeper3953 3 года назад

Excellent analysis of an interesting sub-culture in the expansive Dune universe. To me, there always seemed to be a very fine line trod by the Great House's and the empire in general about paying homage to the Butlerian ethos while seeking any and every advantage they could manage on the sly by contact with either Ix, Bene Theilax, or any one else who might provide some sort of advantage. For some reason, one detail that seems to stick with me is the moment during the expanded Navigator scene where the Navigator enters the palace and states that they have just folded space from the planet Ix . . . and comments something along the lines of " . . . many machines on Ix . . . " Just something that seems to stick with me . . . Thanks again for your continued insight into Frank Herbert's Universe or as you state above, the Duniverse.

@champisthebunny6003 3 года назад

The Navigators full comment was, "Many Machines on IX, new machines". The emperor, simply says, yes somewhat nervously, and that was that. The emporers shaky nerves may or (may not) have been related to the Navigators comment about IX and its machines. Or simply he was nervous about the visit and the reasons for it. Still, Guild Navigators dont strike me as the type to engage in small talk just to break the ice, so his comment may, or (may not), have had some deeper hidden meaning that is not expanded upon in the 1984 film.

@alanloeper3953 3 года назад

@@champisthebunny6003 Well said. As for hidden meanings, there are always Plans within Plans within Plans . . .

@clit_niblr0375 3 года назад

@@alanloeper3953 - "Many Machines on IX, new machines. Better than those on Richesse.' ✌😁

@earlware4322 2 года назад

@@champisthebunny6003 Yeah, at first I put that comment down as some sort of small talk, but you're right. I don't think that the Spacing Guild is very big on small talk. Later on, after rewatching the movie for the 7th or 8th time, I felt it there was more to it. Maybe a subplot they was never developed? Or a warning about the Ixians openly flaunting the rules against thinking machines? I can't recall if the comment was in the book or not, so can't say for certian, but it felt like it had more meaning behind it. 🤔

@dougdouglas3945 Год назад

...I agree with you, something about that line, "many machines on Ix", for some reason it seems powerful and even foreboding. Good stuff.

@genmaicha.lapsang 3 года назад

What I found interesting about the Ixians and Bene Tleilax and Bene Geserit is how they rose from outsiders and subtle manipulators within the empire to the dominant forces within it by the time God Emperor of Dune finished and after. While most of the Great Houses collapsed and the ones that did survive were barley relevant and trying to make a comeback. Also, Heretics is interesting since it confirms that the House Harkkonen survived well into the God Emperor Days. Presumably the House didn't fall with the Baron. I don't consider the BH/KJA novels cannon.

@Shan_Dalamani 2 года назад

Giedi Prime survived. The Bene Gesserit ruled it.

@Metalalbumreviewers 11 месяцев назад

Most of us who spend the time to read Herbert's original works, and appreciate them for what they truly are, understand that KJA/BH are just cash grabs capitalizing on the master's unfinished original works. If Herbert could have finished his final novel, his son wouldn't have had the freedom to insert his infantile ideas on the lore. Thankfully, more Dune fams I know than not, absolutely abhor BH's attempts to ride his father's coattails. It's truly sad that the man simply can't just accept he was not born with the same talent his father had. It's also a caution to legally protect your IPs from everyone if you're a successful creator with a family. If I write something that massively impacts whatever genre I'm writing in, I will absolutely ensure that my family and friends can't just start piggybacking off of my effort and creativity. You end up with the rights to my works? Well, the requirement is you don't get to release ANYTHING related to my works after I pass. Otherwise, the rights will fall to the next in line. Nobody is going to make a penny from MY passion after I pass away.

@andrewh5568 8 месяцев назад

The houses require a bloodline to survive and those can die out easily enough. The organisation's require adherents to the cause and those can be found anywhere people are receptive to a message.

@stefanschleps8758 3 года назад

Ah! At last, IX! I have awaited this part with grateful anticipation. I have not read much by Franks son Brian. Nor am I familiar with the Dune encylcopedia. Never the less I am greatly intrigued by this element in the Dune series. I have learned over the years it is very difficult, if not out and out impossible, to fill the shoes of our parents. The outside pressure to continue, and to expand upon, Frank Herberts work, was no doubt felt by his son Brian. Unfortunately for the ravenous fan the pressure to create genius is not at all the same as the genius which inspires art in the first place. These two are far, far apart. But we hope and trust Villeneuve will flesh out his interpretation with material from both sources. Nerd Cookie you have a genuine talent for educating us all on this immense subject. Again I thank you for your efforts. I hope Villeneuve succeeds beyond our expectations and brings as much of Frank Herberts work to the screen as possible in this lifetime. Dare I hope for Chapterhouse? I suggest you do at least one video, if not a short series of two or three, about what, and how, was the source of Herberts inspiration? I am of the opinion that the Spice Melange is a thinly veiled reference to LSD. Albeit LSD with the alleged life extension and intelligence increasing effects of Selegiline. ( Now prescribed for Parkinsons.) Where did Herbert get the idea for the Benne Gesserit? From the Benedictine and Jesuit orders? His Zen-Sunni and much of his works seems easy enough to place. But not all of it. ''Folding Space''? Speaks of a visionary thought. Anyway its just an idea. All the best.

@anydaynow01 3 года назад

In the original Dune short stories, before Frank wrote the novel, spice was more of negative narcotic than it is in his novel version where like you said it is kind of like LSD where it unlocks subconscious portions of one's mind, but just to the nth degree in Dune. Brian did a decent effort to explain how it went from a recreational drug to how certain individuals used it in insane quantities to really unlock what was possible with the human mind. Actually, concerning it's effects, remember the movie Limitless? It is more like that except much more powerful.

@stefanschleps8758 3 года назад

@@anydaynow01 I'm sorry. But I am having some difficulty following you. Was Brian talking about the Spice or LSD? One is a fictional drug. The other is real. If it was LSD Brian was referencing, how did he become such an expert? Neurochemistry is much more complex than rocket science. Any clues?

@mencken8 Год назад

You are being very generous in your assessment of Brian Herbert’s work.

@ultimoguerreiro82 3 года назад

Thanks for the vid. I always considered the Ixians one of the most interesting elements in the Herbert Universe.

@NerdCookies 3 года назад

Thank you for the support!

@dougdouglas3945 Год назад

Me too!

@s.p.oneill4010 3 года назад

An Analysis of History: Muad'dib. [happy new year]

@anydaynow01 3 года назад

Oh wow, and thanks for hearing my wish about an Ixian story! This was such a great comprehensive video to start off the new year with. I'm happy you brought up the disparity between the Brian and Frank stories, myself (and I know this is blasphemy) I like them both, in how it started out ruled by a royal house but eventually the technocrats took over, it's exactly how I would imagine such a society based on science and logic evolving its governing system especially when we start considering about the vast swaths of time the Dune story covers. Your discussing the lore involving the no-ship construction was definitely a bonus, I didn't expect you to dive that deep into the lore! Out of all the societies the Ixian is my favorite, and I hope Brian has a chance to explore their society more in the future. All in all I love this video, I'll definitely watch it again! I also like how you brought up their name origin. I always found it amusing how they called their home planet IX (9) and the rest of society just started calling it Ix as a result since perhaps they weren't aware of the ancient Roman numbering system.

@NerdCookies 3 года назад

Made by popular demand 😉

@jimmywrangles 3 года назад

She does that, you make a seemingly innocent request and the next day she's made a video about it. It's like magic.

@patsilverfang 11 месяцев назад

I like the theory that the Ixians actually have Thinking Machines and is why they are so secretive. It would make sense for at least some Thinking Machines to go into hiding instead of fight.

@jovancukic1290 2 года назад

Favorite video... Just fascinating that someone researched this to this level...

@Brightandheavy 2 года назад

Your content is relaxing and well structured, nice job! Take my subscription!

@rosiedolciamore Год назад

So much of Ix was shrouded in mystery except the sheer volume of machines performing tasks which alway dazzled my imagination

@elvandar 3 года назад

Happy New year! Thanks for all the great content

@leordz4001 3 года назад

This videos are so great. Happy New Year! 🎉

@deanlawson6880 3 года назад

Fascinating! I never knew any of that back story of Ix. Nicely done!

@muadibe7511 3 года назад

I look forward to your video's, and yet again I have not been disappointed. I loved the background music and illustrations, keep'em coming.

@NerdCookies 3 года назад

Thanks for your support!

@Davepool-hs7vr Год назад

I love the pics and artwork that go into these videos.

@nickfederico 3 года назад

Happy New Year! Thanks for another great video!

@grahamcann1761 3 года назад

As always thank you so very much for your videos. Best wishes for the new year.

@kitsune303 2 года назад

Great episode. The lore must flow.

@ScriptDoctor 3 года назад

This was a great video to start the new year. Much thanks!

@NerdCookies 3 года назад

Thank you Script!

@marknovak6498 3 года назад

Yeah, there should have been no House ruling IX. I am convinced Frank Herbert wanted IX to not be ruled by any house as it is evident the Houses good or bad were repressing innovation or controlling it and IX was able to take advantage of this situation The great houses could control their worlds so long as there was a place like IX were they could still get the technology they needed. OK IX eventually got out of their control but that is all in the story. I only got to talk to grant Herbert for a couple of minutes back in 1984 after he presented a lecture, so, I can not be 100% certain he agrees. Still.

@carloscrecelius9597 3 года назад

I always assumed that IX was ruled by a technocracy, with a sub-class of genetically altered population of workers and a ruling council of "technocrats". I could be wrong, but that was the impression I got from Herbert's writing.

@Shan_Dalamani 2 года назад

You're thinking of the Tleilaxu. Ixians were human and did not alter themselves (and no, Rhombur did not exist except in the cartoon version of Dune known as Anything Brian Wrote).

@carloscrecelius9597 2 года назад

@@Shan_Dalamani perhaps "altered" was too strong a word, but they were bred to be more docile and easier to control. The Tleilaxu were a far more extreme axample of this , you're right about that. Great series. I personally liked the last two books the best and really wish we'd gotten to see Herbert's kralizek. (I wasn't too crazy about the Brian/ Anderson books either).

@Shan_Dalamani 2 года назад

@@carloscrecelius9597 Many years ago I ran across a fanfic version of Dune 7 on an old GeoCities site. What I read of it was excellent, and I wish I'd copied it. It was certainly more in line with what Frank would have written than what his son and KJA churned out.

@martinmoroy 3 года назад

Love the art that you used in this video

@georgesulea 3 года назад

Thank you, this was wonderfully enlightening:)

@samvandeest1441 2 года назад

When reading Frank Herbert's Dune books I just assumed IX might actually be secretly a cyborg run planet.

@zaprese 2 года назад

Which FH books is Iz explored?

@Shan_Dalamani 2 года назад

@@zaprese None of them, unless you count the Hwi Noree subplot in God Emperor of Dune. JFC, what a boring character.

@scottburrell2729 2 года назад

Excellent discussion and explanation of Dune in great detail.Tks.

@dougdouglas3945 2 года назад

Thanks for the video. Much appreciated!

@johndevillier2852 3 года назад

The social structure of the Dune universe is one of the most imaginative and complex in all of literature!! Ox is another great example of that, I want my “no ship”!! Happy new year!!

@johndevillier2852 3 года назад

Ix... I hate auto fill...😏

@NerdCookies 3 года назад

Ox is the agricultural planet 😄

@johndevillier2852 3 года назад

@@NerdCookies 🤣

@jamesevans1890 3 года назад

Hi John. Yes! Although Dune is often considered to be centred around planetary ecology I believe it is much more a commentary on society, politics and especially religious or ideological fanaticism. There were elements attempting to maintain a stable and safe order (the Emperor, the Bene Gesserit, even the Harkonnens) and those attempting to overturn the status quo for reasons of justice: what may seem the right and just action in isolation must always be considered in its entirety, most importantly consequences. Paul Atreides was the ostensible hero of the novel but his victory resulted in a Jihad responsible for countless billion deaths. His enemies were right to try to stop him after all.

@johndevillier2852 3 года назад

@@jamesevans1890 I completely agree with your summation. The idea that system and organized social structure should be mistrusted is one of the most important lessons in Dune.🖖🏽

@Jared_Wignall 3 года назад

Thank you for another Dune video Elaine. Happy New Year!

@NerdCookies 3 года назад

Thank you for your support!

@YllibD 3 года назад

Happy New year one and all. Our keeper of knowledge Elaine, great lore video, music lovely.

@NerdCookies 3 года назад

Thank you for the support!

@proteusduxbury 10 месяцев назад

Great art in this video!

@Smartion 2 года назад

Love this channel…. :) thank you (again) 🙏🏼

@stephendriscoll7549 Год назад

I thinkBrian and Kevin did an astounding Job with all theit additional mayerial!

@alexandruoprea699 2 года назад

Your voice is very soothing and pleasant to hear. More of these videos, please.

@TishaHayes 3 года назад

I was able to park my suspension of disbelief and enjoy all of Brian Herbert and Kevin J Anderson's collaborative works as supplemental materials to the story arc. It fills in lots of niches going back to the Butlerian Jihad (Harkonnen Jihad as Manion would of been a Harkonnen) and adds content to the major influences in the Duneverse and takes it to a pretty startling point where the circle is closed. (Duncan, Duncan, Duncan). Yes, you can be a purist and howl at the moon every time something contradicts a line out of Frank's work but that is too much like you were going to war over something in the Orange Catholic Bible (BTDT). With Frank's death all storytelling would of just stopped and left so much territory unexplored. At least Brian and Kevin are "trying" and giving us (mostly) decent content; Yes, a few books were snooze-fests and formulaic (The Duke of Calidan that i just finished was a yawn-fest).

@Shan_Dalamani 2 года назад

Oh, yeah, they are certainly trying... and after over 20 years, have yet to succeed. I think there was one short story I didn't mind, and the one time they managed to create a character I liked, they killed him off in a gruesome, pointless way by the cackling, cartoonish villains they created.

@raywinstone5905 2 года назад

Please provide a consolidated list of your superb background music selections for your sci-fi discussions. I really enjoy the discussions, too, especially the ones about upcoming Dune movie.

@Sidragrosm 3 года назад

Another awesome vid! For the longest time during his reign, Leto II all at once made almost flagrant use of, but also quietly feared (if he actually ~could~ feel such an emotion at that point) That the Ixians, sooner or later, would build the very thing that Leto was preparing Humanity for - sentient, self-improving hunter-killer machines, armed w/prescience. Even God-Emperor's have the bad habit of playing w/fire it seems. You'd think, after the Jihad (it's penalties, if nothing else!) the Ixians would know better... Of course the *real* irony was that thanks to his overly oppressive rule, groups such as the Tlielaxu, the Bene gesserit, and even members of his all female military, The Fish Speakers, now so VERY eager to explore uncharted space, were the ones to blunder into said "problem." (Not to mention, after some 1,400 years, it saw the rise of the Honored Matres, who were kind enough to bring said problem RIGHT to the now fractured empires' doorstep!) 1000/100. Again, awesome work. Many thanks, & Happy New Year.

@lab483 3 года назад

Thanks excellent video. I prefer the idea that IX started out or soon fell under the suzerainty of a warlord (great house) that was intern overthrown by a technocracy. Brian Herbert is good at filling in gaps and creating origin stories and that one makes sense. However a furtive technocratic survivor of the jihad is a far more interesting idea than just another scheming family, so I much prefer no great house involvement post jihad.

@anydaynow01 3 года назад

I agree that Brian and Kevin are doing a great job with providing a good prequel story, they made a few mistakes but the patches have made the story better as a whole. It may be blasphemous to say but Frank's story wasn't perfect and Brian is doing a great job with going through his father's source material and giving us a fully fleshed out history. The Ixian story from Brian is a great example of this, and it wasn't until I started reading the prequels that I had a great appreciation of what the Ixians were doing and how the contributed to the Dune story as a whole!

@lab483 3 года назад

@@anydaynow01 I agree Frank Herbert was a peerless cartographer but his later story lines could be very cold whereas Brian and Kevin's are more relatable (apologies to Kevin for leaving him out).

@shanenolan8252 3 года назад

Thanks elaine. Happy new year

@ericthompson3982 3 года назад

Ixians, Tleilaxu, nicely done. Way to dig deep.

@SMoggyinski 2 года назад

Totally different setting and context I know, but the Ix remind me of the Dwemer from Morrowind .. pursuing technological innovation to the point of obsession and eschewing the norms of the societies (or universe, in the case of the Ix!) around them. Anyway thanks for these videos, they are so interesting and so well made. I've just started listening to the Dune audiobook .. I'll wait 3 months til it comes out on DVD to see the film .. so all this info and background is incredibly useful :-)

@davemarx7856 2 года назад

You n'wah

@taktoperz 2 года назад

Great job :D

@GenerationX-GenX 3 года назад

Fantastic. Thank you so much!

@matthewfisher7685 2 года назад

Thanks so much for these videos! I read the first book last year and haven't gotten through the second just because there were so many holes in my knowledge about what goes on in the book and it made it difficult to continue. These make me want to go back and start all over again.

@NerdCookies 2 года назад

I'm glad you enjoy the videos! I'd recommend trying the audio books as well. Those might be easier to digest.

@matthewfisher7685 2 года назад

@@NerdCookies Thanks! I actually switched to the audiobook for the second one and still wasn't able to get fully immersed, but it's definitely time to get back into it. I know some of the books have excerpts in the back with terminology, but I think Frank would've benefitted by writing some kind of preface at the beginning that explained what words meant and how they were pronounced. It took me a while to get through the first book just because I had trouble figuring out how to say some of the words and it really slowed down my reading.

@Shan_Dalamani 2 года назад

@@NerdCookies Except that certain names aren't pronounced correctly.

@jamestucker2238 Год назад

Great video

@Tommy1977777 2 года назад

from my understanding of what ive read on analysis of Frank Herberts work, Technology was not meant to be the focus of his books. He was looking at a universe that had tech but it was strictly and rigidly controlled. The impression i got from the first novel was that it was tightly regulated even on Ix. That being the case, the advancement lends another element to the story: the passage of time. its described in two very different ways in each of the novels. The "conflict" assumes permanence in the arrangement of Ix and not change over time.

@johnnyrivas2619 3 года назад

I just folded space from Ix and boy are my arms tired.

@dougdouglas3945 Год назад

Lmao, good one!

@Tjm5656 2 года назад

I am still very new the books not the original movie. And I really am enjoying your explanation videos.

@milliashford8148 2 года назад

God I fckn' LOVE this channel ! like oof that Intro her content! just awestruck!

@dougdouglas3945 Год назад

👍

@elessar11 2 года назад

Came here because of the board game expansion Dune Imperium Rise of Ix. Thanks for the lore overview!

@ChapterGrim 11 месяцев назад

I always viewed head of House Vernius as elector princes of Ix, like a CEO or chairman of the board of a corporation, and the technocrats as representatives of a literal technological aristocracy - that makes the most sense...

@Brainfryde 3 года назад

The No-Ships never replaced the Spacing Guild's ships, and it is never made clear in the Frank Herbert books how they were navigated. We know most navigation systems built by the Ix still failed, and panic-jump by Idaho, where the universe was too alien to support humans, is the only direct insight we get on the dangers of folding space. Ultimately, the ships were always rare, always relics, and never in the hands of any guild. No-Ships moved slower as well, so I think it was to imply they had to make short jumps with large time lags, as that was the only way to get the safety desired without a navigator. Ultimately, the No-Ships were so rare, they could only be used by the few groups who survived the Golden Path, and they only were used to counter the Navigators and Sisters from being able to see you in the future, if you were in the ship during the time period they searched. Great get away ships. Just don't leave them, or you likely will be found by your powerful pursuers :p Ultimately, the Ixians were the God-Emperor's time capsule and rebels. They refused to follow the Jihad completely. They refused to be ruled by the Landsraad. They refused to be blackmailed by the power of CHOAM. They were always the tinkerers and dreamers, and every power in the Dune universe turned a blind eye to them to get the technology they needed to survive without being declared heretics themselves. Their confederacy worked, because they all had the one common cause: do not get crushed by the off-worlders. I have nothing kind to say about the works of Brian Herbert or Kevin Anderson, so I will let YOU read between those lines. I did not mind them finishing the series after Frank died, but I wish they could have followed the lore when they did. The Ixians are just another example in a long line of problems of why those two were not up to the task, never mind the confusion the rest of their pulp novels created after that. The guild would never trust a noble to be in power when they needed the equipment and technology for their spice refinement and ship technologies. Even a secret house would be a dead house, and who could sneak a ship past the guild into their most defended home? I'll take this video as yet another great reason to NEVER read another novel by Kevin J Anderson.

@jaspr1999 3 года назад

I hope all y'all have a wonderful 2021!!! Thank you for going over Ix. As far as retconning it... It really could have been done much worse and is good for what it is. I enjoyed the book and was able to really get into it. That said, compared to the other books the story felt... I don't know... More simplified? I guess. Just lacking in the complexity of the rest of the books.

@NerdCookies 3 года назад

Good point! Thanks for the support!

@bookeblade 3 года назад

Happy new year.

@sygmarvexarion7891 2 года назад

Tleilaxu = organic technology Ixians = machines The two factions hate eachother.

@wil0278 2 года назад

Very very well read.

@allenrussell1947 3 года назад

If Frank Herbert didn't write it, it didn't happen.

@Shan_Dalamani 2 года назад

Unless it was part of the Encyclopedia, which FH approved.

@garycarter6773 Год назад

THANK YOU!! :)

@ssshhhjjj192 Год назад

Nerdy Day!!!! (And also a rainy day, indoors with creature comforts eating good food and under a blanket!!) Having a Nerdy Day makes it better, thank you!!

@dustinburkhart8526 2 года назад

Her voice is magical. Thumbs up!

@dzod 3 года назад

Sounds like California tech companies and china found their own planet.

@anydaynow01 3 года назад

Yep, this sounds like a perfect analogy, even so far as where the CCP will start the organization and funding like a great house but eventually the tech company CEO's will end up with control of the enterprise!

@dzod 3 года назад

@@anydaynow01 CCP has already infiltrated most of the big western tech companies. The CEOs are more than aware of it. Collaborators and traitors. The path to our real world future resembles in many ways what Herbert wrote. We must as a species shun our ever increasing dependency on tech and start developing human potential. Real world bene gesserit, mentat schools etc.

@davegrenier1160 2 года назад

Her definition of "technocracy" sounds a lot like what we have today, something Eisenhower warned against (in addition to the "military industrial complex") in his farewell address.

@Fridaey13txhOktober 2 года назад

California are the Richese, China is Ix. -D

@angelroseglow 2 года назад

@@dzod This is fantasy. Humans will never achieve any mental "powers" not even in the future. Civilizations evolve with their technology. Then they die and start over. There has never been super powerful mental humans - only humans pretending to be gods, god-emperors, or prophets, magic/sorcery users. And science and democracy has eliminated most of that. It's not going to change unless our civilization is destroyed and we start over. Then new gods but same science will happen. But Dune is pure fiction. That's it.

@Tommy1977777 2 года назад

i love this channel.

@dougdouglas3945 Год назад

👍🇺🇸

@demiurgeimago9343 3 года назад

Ooo ixians! Such a big question mark in my brain!

@shanenolan8252 3 года назад

Original narrative for me . I think I remember a passage in God emperor Leto 2nd says that ix have secret colonies or manufacturing worlds they keeped from everyone but the guild and he discovered them .

@budrohammbone2806 2 года назад

Well Done.

@StCarr-mr2rp 2 года назад

You have the most soothing voice. You need an 8 hour video that puts all your videos in one. I’d let you talk about Dune all night.

@paulh2468 3 года назад

Thank you for the great nerd-ucation, Elaine. I really enjoyed the background music you chose. Very relaxing. Maybe in a future video you can explore the lack of democracy in the Dune universe. Herbert made it clear that demagogues like Paul are the worst, yet he only allowed for monarchies and military dictatorships. Kind of a bummer, as I like living in a democracy. My guess is that Herbert was focused on genetics and evolution. Most primates species only have Alpha male-dominance hierarchies, and inter-tribal warfare. Just about all of human history has stuck with this program. So does the Dune-iverse. Humans are 98% genetically chimpanzee. Historically, democracy does not last very long. Your thoughts would be welcome.

@jimmywrangles 3 года назад

1st for the new year lol. Thanks for the upload.

@NerdCookies 3 года назад

Absolutely!

@ronaldwhite1730 3 года назад

Thank - you .

@harrisonlee9585 2 года назад

Frank Herbert predicted the Mechanicus

@AgressorNation 2 года назад

One major flaw in the Dune story line is that on the one hand you have Butlerian Jihad strictures that strictly prohibit computers. Yet flying vehicles, and space craft exist that couldn't possibly have flown without the use of computers. Same goes for the targeting and guidance systems used on board military vessels. There is no way an interstellar society so advanced could have existed without computers.

@nickporter574 2 года назад

I thought that but the commandment is no machine in the likeness of a human mind. So on that basis a targeting system is permissible. I guess the issue was AI.

@AgressorNation 2 года назад

@@nickporter574 how is a targeting system any different than a human picking targets with a rifle and firing at them. It does the exact same thing, only faster, more accurately and using slightly different weapons. They don't even have personal computers, iPads or Calculators in that world. That's why mentats are so sought after. Even one of those floating globe lights would need some sort of basic AI in order to not be flying into walls,...........or people.

@louissteyn6871 2 года назад

In the emperor battle for dune the Ix where a subfaction you could recruit to supplement your army, their units where an invisible spider mine and a light hover tank that made holographic copies of your units to trick you enemies or to act as "meat" shields for your troops

@kevinborgan8544 4 месяца назад

I preferred the Dune Encyclopedia as the auxiliary choice of background information. It is far more aligned with Frank Herbert’s vision.

@javelinman7 3 года назад

Isn't IX the ninth planet in it's system, like Roman numeral for "9"? Also, from the movie, it seemed like these "many... new machines" sounded like nanotech to me, and I thought that perhaps a new species of machine intelligence could have been derived from it. But if it were intelligent, you would have to make a distinction from that versus sentient. Like a very smart toaster, that made perfectly golden toast, every time.

@MickeyBear61 Год назад

The Bene Tlailax had taken over IX . HOUSE Vernius had control over IX until the suboids allowed the Tlelaxu to take over

@shanenolan8252 3 года назад

Yes the contractions are many . At first I assumed the confederary was a group in the Nobel houses lead by ix , but the relationship with caladan make later opposition strange to me

@anydaynow01 3 года назад

Yep with a world this complex it's really tough to grab the baton and keep the pace!

@shanenolan8252 3 года назад

@@anydaynow01 agreed. Yet I feel others could have done better. The biggest mistake was not doing it in Frank's style , trying to make it there own . Which is vanity and never never contradict existing canon they had plenty of room . And regardless of the plot they are terribly melodramatic writers

@Shan_Dalamani 2 года назад

@@shanenolan8252 Yep. Everything has to be a soap opera with those two idiots. They suffer from "small-world syndrome" which means that of course Mohiam had to be Jessica's mother, rather than the relatively anonymous Bene Gesserit who actually was. These twits didn't understand the basic tenet that in a society such as the BG, you NEVER allow a Reverend Mother to raise, teach, train, and give orders to your own biological offspring, due to the risk of sentiment or even that dreaded emotion of "love" getting in the way. So there is no way Mohiam could be Jessica's mother. She's just a favorite student who disappointed her by refusing to obey orders.

@jkdbuck7670 Год назад

The older I get, the more I like Dune. Herbert was brilliant amongst the brilliant. Stood head and shoulders above many others.

@aalb1873 2 года назад

It is similar to some est Asia and Scandinavian countries of the real world: Singapore, Japan , South Corea , Taiwan , Sweden, Finland, Norway.

@raysmith1630 2 года назад

Yummy! More fresh baked Nerd Cookies! Ok Elaine, let me ask you a question: you state that the Ixians were a complex society etc, etc. I would ask wouldn't that be the Ixians are, or even more appropriately, the Ixians will be a complex society etc,etc. Seriously, I am not being serious at all. I'm just playing a little mind game with you.. hahaha. As always, this was a great video! Cheers and fair winds.

@jerrydeem8946 2 года назад

At 6:00 mins in the Heighliner looks suspiciously like a sandworm, wore out from a twenty thumper Hajj. Was that intentional? Guildsmen, Navigators, spice, Dune, Shai Hulud ...it all kinda connects. The rest of the clip was pretty good by any means.

@ZedAlfa. 3 года назад

Aren’t the Guild heighliners built on IX?

@oisinm332 2 года назад

Eridani A, nice, the Vulcan star system.

@EricOSullivan 3 года назад

🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻Gratitude

@wepeanutthree5553 Месяц назад

In Dune part 1, the royal court wears Ix sight masks.

@lucbisaillon2609 3 года назад

X is a very interesting culture in the Dune universe. They are the only faction that manage to act against the God-emperor and get away with it

@genmaicha.lapsang 3 года назад

They also succeeded. Hwi ultimately fulfilled her purpose.

@genmaicha.lapsang 3 года назад

Also, a Confederation is an organization which consists of a number of parties or groups united in an alliance or league.

@christopherellis2663 2 года назад

What is 'functionality', if not function?

@vasp99 3 года назад

It's odd that these images show the structures of Ix on the surface of the planet since the books describe Ix as a subterranean society with wilderness all over the planet's surface .

@Orangefan77 3 года назад

*many machines on IX*

@BenTheeban 2 года назад

Wow dune is well developed in many aspects

@KageNoTora74 3 года назад

Glossu Rabban had been Na-Baron, Vladimir Harkonnen's designated heir, until he fell out of favor due to the loss of an Ixian no-ship the Baron had acquired.