Who Are the Samaritans? 

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Would you cover thier halakha and thier priests books written over the years? I would love to see it

So if you prefer to take these Samarian Israelites by their word, do you also accept any and every claim made by the Black Israelites? They have pretty much the same "justification" for being the real descendants of the biblical patriarchs as this other group, they also divert from the Mosaic rite in essential bits like this other group... Yes, there is importance in following the evidence and archeological findings ARE excellent reasons to rethink positions. A minority position declaring the majority to be impure and having fallen off the true faith though is historically always shaky and usually born from some big peeves and religious disagreements the splintering of evangelical protestantism in the US comes to mind, so many "Schisms" there and most only due to "holier than thou" squabbling over rules and doctrine. That alone does not make you legitimate.

Anyone defending Moses Joshua Kaleb might as well be a Nuremberg sympathiser

even a cursory glance at history”, wrote Arthur Koestler, “should convince one that individual crimes committed for selfish motives play a quite insignificant part in the human tragedy, compared to the numbers massacred in unselfish loyalty to one’s tribe, nation, dynasty, church, or political ideology. . . Arthur Koestler, Janus: A Summing Up

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I was always taught it was about corruption and kindness- the priest and the wise man passed by, proving that faith or intellect did not guarantee good morals, where the Samaritan was supposed to be an example of someone you really wouldn't expect to help you. For context, I was told this story in a Northern Irish Catholic Sunday school. I think stressing the ritual purity probably would have taken a back seat to showing how sectarianism is bad because the other lot are, contrary to some people's belief, not evil. Or maybe it's an example of how Christianity doesn't always understand the Jewish parts of its history, with the rules about purity and death not emphasised (didn't even know that was a thing until now!) Still, very interesting regardless of the reason.

@@MarkusAldawn actually this is the accurate teaching of Jesus. He said about the priests and farizees that they only follow the law by mouth but not by heart

Let not forget the Samaritan woman

@@MrJMB122 yes the longest dialogue of Jesus in the Bible is his encounter with the Samaritan woman at Jacob’s well

Thanks! I was wondering about that.

@@nunyabiznez6381 thank you . . im interested in the actual script of their Torah . . i wonder if an interlinear version exists?

I might pick this up!

I now have this and will begin reading very soon.

@@stephennicolay1940 What did you find out?

Francis Fukurama claimed in the late 90s that the 'end of history' had arrived. He was a idiot.

@@chendaforest that is what Marxism/Communism claimed too

Between the U.S. President threatening to nuke Patriots and Russia threatening to nuke anyone, I wholeheartedly agree

@@oceanmachine1906 yes but he wasn't a Marxist.

@@chendaforest never said he was

Reade, I would like you to read Luke 9-: 51-56 and also John chapter 4. I hope these will help.

@@Chuck_Carolina I think he was asking for a wider context than the New Testament sources you so condescendingly proffer.

I think it is a rebuke on people who observe ritual, at the cost of being blind to be good. In the case of Good Samaritan, the ritual of purity. Two first people passed the distressed man did not want to taint themselves from touching a dying man. Samaritan who was passing by has no restriction and assisted the man and thus observing God's desire instead of following the rituals.

@@laurencedankel4751 You sound like a true disciple of Marcuse.

@@taesu8 True. In part, it's a rebuke on Jewish treatment to Samaritans, showing how Samaritans can be good to Jews and vice versa. And in part, that, a rebuke on ritual observation at the cost of avoiding a good deed. After all, had the Samaritan been a priest, it's likely that he too wouldn't have helped the man. Of course, if the Samaritan was a priest, it would have strengthened the point of being helpful to others regardless of both ethnic/religous differences as well as ritual law.

Oh of course.

That the cohens show a common patrilineal (Oy, what an insult to the matrilineal ancestry demanded by the rabbis of the Ashkenazim!) ancestry but cannot agree on the pronunciation of the Name casts an interesting light on a comment made by a 1st c. Jewish religious figure: "G-d is able to raise up sons to Abraham from the stones of this field."

@@BrianStanleyEsq Interesting , as Jesus said if the people were prevented from crying out then the stones of the field would. Indicating a though of continuation , I assume poetic rather than an expected actual possibility.

@Pojka I dont think its disputed that Canaan was occupied by a whole load of tribes , communities and peoples from around the Med, and the Arabian areas, interesting if there were settlements of peoples from further away

@Pojka Iran - remind me is that potentially one of the areas of Ur (or would there be nomadic connections to there ?)

Whoa, cool! Best of luck with the PhD. It is crazy that late antiquity programs don't focus on this group more.

@@ReligionForBreakfast Thanks! Your videos are a major inspiration for learning about the rest of the world outside of my American bubble! :D

@@ReligionForBreakfast I wonder about the state of the source materials for late antiquity Samaritans. Is there a lot of it? Is it translated to modern languages? I reckon this could make a potential course or dissertation about the subject a bit tricky.

@@muhametalijaj7838 thank you!

@@MisterTipp I'd hope that language/s are presumed for a research degreee.

Watch the videos on "The Traveling Clatt", he goes and shows the Samaritans in his latest videos

I didn't know that they still existed. I knew that there was a split of Jews and Samaritans who worshiped the Abrahamic God, but I thought they died out long ago.

Those people are not the sumarian cause the sumarian and jews are the same. Only their nationalties are different. They are just claiming what does not belong to them.

@@mattbonner12 Introduction to Samaritans ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-xGY4xtJ1bl0.html

It does seem like they were more similar and less hostile back then from what I've seen.

or a mixed garrison with both

Please report back !! That would be fascinating. Like the Nisei of Sao Paulo, they would be a surprising group to learn about in that amazing country. - Signed- Wannabe Carioca !!

There are also Samaritan Israelite communities now in Cuba, Philippines and Canada.

You would still have to convert to be a Samaritan. You don't have to convert to Judaism to worship the G-d of Israel. You can become a Ben Noach instead. These are righteous Gentiles who worship the G-d of Israel and accept Judaism as their faith without converting to Judaism. People from all over the world have been doing this in mass since they discovered this through the internet.

I think your English is pretty good but for your use of comparatives (e.g. your use of 'closer').

Sounds like Macedonian to me seeing how all those groups you listed historically are mixed with greeks romans and turks

Hi, thanks for the information. May I ask what your sources are?

You probably didn't intend this but using “weapon” in this context isn't really appropiate as it implies a conflict that has to be won. I figure you might have used it because the word gets used metaphorically in context where it's a good thing like “a new weapon against disease” or “a weapon to fight misinformation” but that's because in those contexts you're seeking to eliminate something that's almost universally agrees to be a bad thing, so “fighting” it doesn't imply a conflict with anyone. However in this context where we're talking about ethnicity we (as in scholars) should be detatched observes who don't pick a side and just seek to describe a situation. Therefore using the word “weapon” is inappropiate as it implies conflict which scholars not only shouldn't participate in but it's also generally understood that when talking about something as heated as religion scholars have an obligation to try to defuse any conflicts and help people better understand each other. Instead in this context using the term “tool” is much more appropiate as it is neutral and solely implies that this can be used to gain greater insight into a certain topic without implying the existance of a conflict or taking any side in one. I figure that's what you were aiming for anyways. This got really long but as a fellow non-native speaker I know how confusing English culture can be in these situations, you can really only learn things like this from having a ton of exposure to English Academia. It's especially confusing because few other languages makes as much use of war metaphors as English does and they're extremely common in all forms of English literature so understanding the conventions for the use of war metaphors is difficult. In general war metaphors are mostly used in writing aimed at a lay audience to try to make it more exciting, it's almost never used in academic texts as it's seen as too flowery for any serious writing, though of course even in academic writing metaphors are used it's just that you should only use neutral ones. Otherwise your English is pretty perfect, I wouldn't have known that you aren't a native speaker if you hadn't told me and your grammar is definitely better than mine.

I'm Brasílian as well. I'm very impress with your level of knowledge about these groups. Is, actually, fascinanted to get to know the origins and history of these people. By the way, your inglês is perfect!

Also explains why Jesus took his message to the Samaritan woman at the well. He was explicit that He had come for the lost of Israel, which included the Samaritans.

No such as palestine. Only islamonazis occupying jewish land

I found that interesting as a Catholic as well. I wonder how they reason doing sacrifice without the temple or even the tabernacle, seeing as the temple and tabernacle were to be the places of sacrifice given the true presence of God either on the mercy seat or within the holy of holies. Rather interesting. In our Christian New Testament, it was also stated that one of their places of worship was at the well of Jacob. It's interesting how so similar religions can be so divergent, even between us Christians and the Jewish belief (albeit a bit more so since we believe the Messiah has come and the Jews don't). Even moreso between your faith and the faith of the Samaritans. It's almost like us (Catholics) and the Orthodox Christians (there's basically only 7 or so differences).

@@mattbonner12 the bible tells us that clearly there was sacrifice Before the temple and before the tabernacle. Look at Cain and able or when Abraham went to sacrifice Isaac, even when they were in Egypt they asked the Pharaoh for 3 days to go Sacrifice to the lord, and we know that the Passover was done before they left Egypt. So in my eyes he just formalized it with the laws but blood sacrifice was happening long before the Temple.

@@mattbonner12 Well the Samaritans see Mt. Gerizim as the holiest site in the Holy Land and so the sacrifices are done there. The Judean temple means nothing to them and their faith as Israelites where the Israelite Temple at Mt. Gerizim plays the same role as the Temple of Jerusalem does for the Jewish people.

@@hoathanatos6179 yeah, but I mean why do they think that?

@@trentbresler3179 this is actually very different, in jewish theology we believe that there are 613 commandments given to us by God in the torah, practically every single part of modern and ancient Jewish practice is based on the 613 commandments (including all of the temple sacrifices), the sacrifices that you are describing happened before the torah was revealed so they are a very different kind of worship

I’ve actually seen a picture of the map of where and how the temple’s sections were located and built. But I do know an organisation called The Temple Institute that talks about the temple and all of that stuff.

Look up Norma Robertson on RU-vid, She has all the Temple information.

Also how Byzantium started to identify itself as a sorta second Isreal.

Is like this related ? Like the good Samaritan was a Samaritan ?

@Yam Samam thank you. I know little of such matters 🙏

@@madmonkee6757 How about a black guy, or an immigrant, or ...?

@@KaiHenningsen Any despised minority would work for this parable.

​@@jacquesstrapp3219 Exactly, and the US certainly has those.

Thats what I was thinking.

I think Useful Charts did a video on it.

@@sarahrosen4985 thank you

As a Brazilian, I'm also very curious about this. Where does this information come from?

I don't know Dr. Andrew Henry's source, but I do know that French social anthropologist Fanny Urien-Lefranc has conducted surveys of and had conversations with Brazilians who have "entered" Samaritanism. (She avoids the word "convert.") Brazilians began entering Samaritanism in 2015. She began reaching out to them for information in 2017. One of her articles available online, "From Religious to Cultural and Back Again: Tourism Development, Heritage Revitalization, and Religious Transnationalizations among the Samaritans," devotes several paragraphs to Brazilian Samaritans.

Based on his bibliography, it looks like Special issue of the journal religions, open access: Religions | Special Issue : Exploring Samaritanism (mdpi.com) - technical, but a wide-ranging set by the big names and Reinhard Pummer, The Samaritans: A Profile (Eerdmans, 2016) - the best (and only) English-language state of the field starting point

There's a bibliography in the description.

The converts are from what religious background? Like many with ancestry from Spain and Portugal, there are plenty of Jewish genetic mixed in. I expected my DNA test to show Jewish because I had a Jewish Grandmother and some on my Dad's side. Nope. But my Spanish is way higher than thought, and it shows middle eastern. My husband didn't think he had any but his test reads like one grandparent was. My sister has an ex that is Italian and Brazilian and he looks middle eastern. He's very Catholic, but Jewish ancestry wouldn't surprise me!

Then again in the modern day, these differences shouldn't matter between us. Both Shomronim and us Jews are all b'nei yisrael after all

Who is the samaritan leader in Brasil and do they have an online presence? Would like to know as a Brazillian

Interesting information, thanks for sharing!

توبوا الى الله لأن بالصلاح والاسلام تحيا النفوس والقلوب Repent to Allah in Islam because by Islam live the hearts and the souls..

توبوا الى الله لأن بالصلاح والاسلام تحيا النفوس والقلوب Repent to Allah in Islam because by Islam live the hearts and the souls..

The research article is by Fanny Urien-Lefranc, published in 2020 in the journal Religions: "From Religious to Cultural and Back Again: Tourism Development, Heritage Revitalization, and Religious Transnationalizations among the Samaritans"

They are on Facebook with a huge group of over 13,000 of them. One group (American) with 160 or so members is: Studies Shomrey haTorah. There are a couple of the Brazilian leaders on that English page. The page with over 13,000 members are pretty much literally all from Brazil, and it is in Portugeese I believe. I can't remember the name now. Join the English page and ask, and you will be directed to them.

They're also on the Samaritan Israelite website

And groups declaring themselves the chosen people. Which is not unlike the nazis declaring themselves Übermenschen.

@@kellydalstok8900 while I agree with the overall point I see the effect of Godwin's Law is wasting no time tonight XD

@@kellydalstok8900 "The chosen people" doesn't mean that Jews are in any way better than non-Jews, in fact it's commonly joked that we were chosen to have a worse time than non-Jews. "The people chosen" works better as a translation than "The chosen people", as the idea is that the Jews were chosen to practice God's wishes on earth; not chosen to be inherently better or something

I don't know but I've heard of other groups in Brazil converting to other religions like Zoroastrianism, which has also become something of an ethno religious group. This may reflect Brazil's huge cultural and ethnic diversity in some way...

The research article is by Fanny Urien-Lefranc, published in 2020 in the journal Religions: "From Religious to Cultural and Back Again: Tourism Development, Heritage Revitalization, and Religious Transnationalizations among the Samaritans" The religion for breakfast youtube commented this.

Brazilians loves weird minority and threatened religions and cultures that they clearly don't belong to. Google for tupiniviking.

@@luizmenezes9971 Obrigada! Something about Norse/Viking/European connections ??

@@chendaforest It's a portmanteau of Tupiniquim (one of the many native tribes from Brazil) and Viking. Because a lot of brazilian metalheads worship norse gods. Conversely, many pagan reconstructionists (Norse reconstructionists included) uses Umbanda (an Afro-Brazilian religion) as inspiration to fill the gaps for the traditions and rituals they've lost due to christian anti-pagan zeal. The "tupiniviking" (an exonym) are aware of it, and use to point out to the folkists (the racists that insists only norse descendents can worship the Aesir) that their religion is white washed macumba (another exonym for Umbanda).

Yeah that would be cool

Taoism and Buddhism are really interesting to me

There is another You Tube Channel called "Let's Talk Religion" who discusses Taoism, Hinduism, Gnostic, and Christianity.

@@muhametalijaj7838 It is indeed _fairly_ speculative, but the way you can concretely deduce that PIE people had some sort of Sky-Father from language alone is super cool. And that Rome's foundation myth of Romulus and Remus could very well have come from/influenced by one of the PIE creation myth stories where *Manu (man) kills *Yemo (twin) to create humanity and all that (Remus probably comes from *Yemo, looking at the etymological evidence) is super interesting to think about. I want Andrew to make a video on it because while reading wikipedia is fine and all, I'd like a more firmly scholarly view on stuff to help sus out the more concrete from the more speculative

@@friedkeenan Are you familiar with a RU-vid channel called "Survive the Jive"? He covers these topics a lot. He has several videos about the Indo-European concept of the soul and reincarnation, in which he pulls together quotes from Plato, Ovid, and the Buddhist scriptures to present evidence for the older concept of these things--I find that particularly fascinating.

@@bigscarysteve I've read that Greek mythology isn't a great source for reversing PIE religion because of its frequent interaction and melding with the near east. Anyhow, I find things that rely _solely_ on comparative mythology quite a bit less concrete than things backed up through linguistics. The example I jump to for explaining why is how stories of a flood engulfing the whole world are common throughout several disparate cultures, Indo-European and otherwise, but it would not make sense to say that they all came from one religion/mythology. However, when things are found through linguistics, it really does show rather concretely that PIE had words to describe such things as Sky-Father and lends credence to the fact that they had a god in their pantheon that fit such a role, whether or not that same figure themselves transformed into Jupiter, Zeus, etc. over the millenia

I know tha Dheous is the sky father of the PIE people.

@@friedkeenan Although that tends to isolate the PIE people in a way that we cannot prove (nor disprove). It's quite likely that the culture we can reconstruct through historical linguistics, also had been in contact with other cultures, and had been extensively influenced by others. PIE is not a pure state of origin, it's just a random snapshot of the time where our linguistic reconstruction happens to end. (Not to mention that referring to a single PIE religion is maybe oversimplifying.) The topic is really interesting, yes. I'm not sure that that level of linguistic speculation falls into RfB's field of interest, though.

The fact that there are 3 very ancient versions of the Penteteuch is itself proof of the text's flexibility in ancient times. Being mostly consistent is not the same as being entirely consistent, especially where theology is concerned. There were likely many different editions of the Pentateuch that we'll never know about, and I guarantee every single one of them claimed to be the proper edition.

@@porkadillo9752 they likely have a common ancestor tho and diverged due to the local politics of each sect at the time

Hi Adam, I was just wondering do Samartians believe in an afterlife?

What's your relations with Israelis and Palestinians? Who do you support more?

I am mostly curious about linguistic issues and insularity, if you don't mind. Given the history of the area, I am wondering if Hebrew also survived only as a liturgical language or if there were speakers before the restoration of modern Hebrew'. I am also curious if the community is very insular. This happened in Hasidic and haredi Jewish communities in the diaspora and is one of the ways that traditions are presrved. I'm also thinking of the insularity of the Druze who survive, it seems, because they do not marry outside their ethnic group

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They’re both the original and true church. They just split because of disagreements. But I as Catholic completely accept Orthodox Christians as the same, even if they’re not in communion with Rome.

yeah sounds more like trafficing ukrainian women cz who else is exploited more within the slawic community

Supposedly they did get a group of 20 women? They learned for 6 months and then a few returned home but the rest stayed, married etc.

It makes a bit more sense in context of what we learned from the Qumram scrolls. Namely that there was never (in antiquity) a single Jewish belief, nor two. But a wide range of sects who shared a common cultural background but fought bitterly in politics and details. If you now add politics into the game. E.g. the the returnees from Babylon establishing themselves as an elite in Jerusalem but at the same time alienating some of the local sects. Then more politics during the Greek and Romans times .... at the end two sects survived (many more died out in the last 2000 years) the Jews and the Samaritans. Who distilled two similar but distinct stories from a wide range of traditions (of which many are lost, but sometimes get a snippet like in Qumran).

I wonder if Cohanim DNA also matches? There's a RU-vid piece out there that features a Samaritan gentleman who rejoices in the name of Abdullah Cohen!

Yes the dating is way off. History is largely false and constructed as a lie.

@@rogerlephoque3704 The Samaritan Cohen DNA lineage is different from Jewish Cohen DNA lineages.

Tbh the Samaritans are basically first temple Jews who have a different site for their temple

Exactly

And Zoroastrians

Todays Samaritans are actually dwindling in population, so much so that their men have gone and married outside their ethnoreligious group, particularly eastern European women.

Ancient Israelites were originally Canaanites who did the same thing.