Who Became Cyclonus? (Its Skywarp) 

The actual answer is both are true because there are multiple Transformers realities. In some realities it was one, the other, or neither.

I don't believe any of them were still alive aside from Galvatron, of course. I believe their sparks joined the pit, and Unicron taking their bodies, and breathed new life into them. They might have retained their data banks (hence knowing Starscream in season three). Plus, their personalities are all radically different. Except Galvatron (he's basically a mentally unstable Megatron). Great upload! I think you definitely gave me more to think about!!

I always say that Skywarp is Cyclonus

Cyclonus is a hybrid of Bombshell and Skywarp. Skywarp may have been loyal. But he had the intellect of a peanut. Cyclonus gets his intelligence from Bombshell and his loyalty from Skywarp.

In my head canon, it's always been Thundercracker -> Scourge and Skywarp -> Cyclonus. The insecticons became the clones. Cyclonus' clone was never seen again, and of course we all know about the Sweeps.

I agree you nailed it 100%, all the facts support Cyclonus was Skywarp, the people that disagree only have the one scene in the movie and storyboard to support their arguement thats like saying G1 never had any errors LOL I also have the opinion that the three insecticons were clones and not the originals as we see the originals later during the movie and in season three.

Clearly Skywarp is Cyclonus. Bombshell still exists. It was a Bombshell clone who became Armada, because Bombshell appeared in one episode of season 3!

It has to be Skywarp because Bome shells body would have been to small Skywarp the right size just BomeShells closer to the Screen

I never thought of bombshell becoming the third sweep though🤔.

One of the writer cane out and stated at a comic con semi recently that it was Skywarp.

Another thing is perception and position. Unicron was behind them. Skywarp was closer to him and would've been the one to the left, making him named first as Cyclonus. To the viewer, he appeared to be further away and on the right.

I always thought that cyclonus was a combination of both of them. Also the what I have given you I can take away line could also be interpreted as his life not his body.

Official figure for Hisarmada when?

Agree

I propose a slightly different argument: I'm going to put the case that all three original insecticons actually survived, and it was clones that became the armada and the sweeps. Why? Well, in the movie, cartoon and comic we see the insecticons again later, after the creation of galvatron. Plus, the insecticons cloning ability would neatly explain the variable number of sweeps if we assume they can still do that. The two seekers are therefore cyclonus and scourge.

Why can’t we all just write it off as generic seekers and insecticon duplicates? C’mon the Insecticons could make copies of themselves and there’s tons of seekers.

Can't put in the picture guys sorry....

Honestly, having the Sweeps was a dumb idea. The Insecticons should have changed to the Deluxe Insecticons. Examples: Shrapnel -> Chopshop Bombshell -> Barrage Kickback -> Ransack ? -> Venom (Can be retconned with a 4th member who stayed on Cybertron)

4 sweeps 3 Cyclonous armada members 1 Galvatron

Cyclones is bombshell

I only recently found out this was a debate. I'm so old I was a teenager watching that in the movies. I never knew people thought bombshell was cyclonus. I always assumed he was changed into the same look, but he was the one that got destroyed, that's why cyclones nor 1 like him can make copies like the sweeps.

We never see the Sweeps clone themselves, (nor do they eat farmers crops to produce energon or shoot cerbro shells) the extra Sweeps could have just as easily been reformatted robots from all the planets Unicron consumed and stored in the ship. (Or build later by the Decepticons.) Cyclonus also never teleports in the cartoon, which would have been super useful since, unlike Skywarp (who was a moron), Cyclonus would be smart enough to actually use the ability to it's maximum potential!!! Bombshell may have been treacherous, but he was also smart, with Megatron bringing him in to reprogram Nightbird. His Marvel bio also states that he is one of "Megatron's favorites." Skywarp is loyal but also stupid AF. He brought Megatron back online because let's face it, he wouldn't know what to do without him. But honestly, it doesn't MATTER who became whom. They never talk about the old days when they were "so and so," and Starscream and the other characters don't refer to them as their original seeker forms (whereas he immediately recognized Galvatron, as did Optimus Prime). Their personalities and abilities are so radically different that for all intent and purposes they are completely new characters at this point. BTW, A product flyer isn't evidence of anything. Starscream died and was still being produced. Laserbeak, Jazz and Cliffjumper survived and were not being offered on the flyer. Shockwave may or may not have died and was gone. But Jetfire WAS still for sale despite long being phased out from the cartoon.

It's not. It's not even a mystery - it's just what you want. For one thing, they're all dead - so it doesn't even matter WHO became WHO. They were raw material to create new beings altogether. You want to cite all this "evidence" except what is actually on the screen in the final version of the film. In your 'hear me out' section, which you first show Bombshell become Cyclonus (and Skywarp the non-existent "Armada" - a debate I've had with friends for 35 effing years) you show where there is an extra Sweep thrown in ALONG with both Cyclonus jets - the problem is the one that was highlighted to be Cyclonus is front and center - it would go against any and all logic for the one in the background to be Cyclonus. Even given the various versions of the transformations from different iterations of the movies, the one that turned from Bombshell to Cyclonus is still the main Cyclonus. Do I prefer Skywarp the character over Bombshell the character? Sure. But Skywarp is an idiot thug - his 'loyalty' not withstanding. So if being alive had anything to do with it, well that's not Cyclonus. Neither Cyclonus, nor Scourge (or really ANY of the dead Decepticons) have any character traits of any of the characters they "became" beyond being evil Decepticons in the service of Unicron and Galvatron (in that order until Unicron is destroyed). In Bombshell's case, well he's way smarter than Cyclonus, which the Sweeps are definitely not all that smart - which could kind of support the either idea in that, as I said, their personalities didn't matter either way because these are NEW CHARACTERS. By the way, Transformers Universe, the Marvel Universe style profile books states the Decepticons were dead (in addition to the free floating deadness shown on screen). I'm going to call bollocks on the 'gray' thing, as that's not even close to consistent - even the reasons Prime and Starscream are different. This video is two years old, and I'm not going to change your mind, but for me - BOMBSHELL became CYCLONUS, not that it matters, because Bombshell was dead - however, that IS what is on the screen.

Sooo the sweeps are old men that turn into hovercrafts. Who came up with that.

According to Ron Friedman, Cyclonus is none of these. The only Decepticon that was still alive was Megatron. The others were corpses. Scourge and Cyclonus were entirely different entities that worked for Unicron first and Galvatron second. So, it was Skywarp's body, but NOT Skywarp's mind.

There was also toy ads that showed the 3 coneheads, starscream, cyclonus, and scourge. The add implies even that thundercracker and skywarp were the 2 jets changed

My theory is that bombshell cyclonus was destroyed either in autobot city battling Dinobots, or destroyed by galvatron for trechery. The loyal cyclonus we see in season 3 is Skywarp cyclonus.

Eh? Who are those guys?

It's skywrp lads

Skywarp became Cyclonus you see Bombshell in season 3 along with the other 2 insecticons. The Insecticons had the ability to clone i think they used the ability to get new bodies for season 3 . It seems the insecticons came back for season 3 . The sweeps seem to have taken the insecticons cloning ability in season 3 . Also there is another theory that Skywarp & Bombshell both became Cyclonus the only problem that you see Bombshell in season 3. The original script was after Megatron died on Cybertron the Decepticons was to start fighting for leadership they would awaken old Decepticons from the past who got new bodies from Unicron

From the time I first saw TF: The Movie in the theater back in '86, it was never a doubt to me that Skywarp became Cyclonus. Even though both decepticons were in the frame with Bombshell in the foreground. I just remember thinking, Thundercracker became Scourge, yes, and Skywarp became Cyclonus. That's it. I've stuck with that without question all these years.

Well, yeah and Cyclonus is chummy with scourge also like Skywarp and thundercracker were too, and the nsecticons were in the third season of the G1 cartoon also, and I remember that foldout thing that came t with the transformers toys back in 86, and I noticed it at a pediatrician I went to back when those toys were sold at that time also, and I alaways figured Cyclonus used to be Skywarp too💁🏻‍♂.

Love the copium but sorry Skywarp, Thundercracker & those insecticons jettisoned were DOA by the time they reached Unicron only Megatron still functioned, doesn't matter which corpses were used as raw material for the sparks that Unicron installed into the bodies to become Cyclonus, Armada (lol), Scourge & the Sweeps.

Going by their personalities and what we saw of Skywarp and Bombshell in the cartoon. Skywarp was loyal to Megatron, Bombshell along with his fellow Insecticons only worked with the Decepticons out of convivence and would betray Megatron when it suited. Even if both were dead by the time they arrived at Unicron and given new life by him, it makes more sense for Skywarp to be Cycolonus due to how loyal he was to Galvatron.

I agree with you

Case close 🎉

IT'S BOMBSHELL. FACTS 1. Its understood that this may have happened due to a simple character placement error by the writers and illustrators. But due to this error/mistake Bombshell is technically the winner by possible default.. 2. Bombshell is not only introduced in the forefront (with skywarp in the backdrop) as now 'Cyclonus but also in synchronicity to the introduction by Orson Wells himself. 3. But even the theory ''Skywarp was originally written to be Cyclonus' can be argued as it 'Bombshell' that was drawn and written And morphing into Cyclonus as in the original and final illustration drafts! I'm sorry but we don't get to rewrite what we saw and what was already written/drawn. -The author of this video argues that there was originally 3 Cyclonus's yet once again it's Bombshell that is drawn. -He Also argues that just because bombshell was illustrated in the original draft doesn't mean that this will make the final cut, but in fact as we all know it did. - The author of this video also tries to beget the relationship between skywarps personality traits to Cyclonus's, which in my opinion are absolutely laughable and I don't care to spend too much more time on this topic, but rather just say 'skywarp was a borderline line idiot and a common foot soldier at best. - I believe fans just anticipate and wish that skywarp was the one reformatted into Cyclonus because he's a higher ranking/jet with more seniority with the deceptions and the audience to follow suit to Megatrons new army, so in an effort to cloud these facts skywarp fans will ramble on and on about dead floating corpses and other Frankenstein ghost stories as well as toy catalogs that that aren't in synchronicity to their idiot claims. Facts vs Fiction This case is closed, alright.. and it does not favor Skywarp by a country mile.

Found another proof why Skywarp or Thundercracker is Cyclonus,in this picture from the 'All hail Megatron' omnibus,its more like Thundercracker who us turned to Cyclonus,because it was Thundercracker who always talked about the seeker way,and honour of the cause,but then again so was Skywarp loyal to the cause.

ANYONE who pays attention can clearly see its Bombshell Skyward became part of the Armada

I agree with you 100%

I agree that Cyclonus is Skywarp. In my opinion Hasbro used the Animated episodes to promote its Primary focus which was the toyline... According to the toyline catalogs it clearly shows the original seekers with Cyclonus & Scourge replacing Skywarp & Thundercracker, "They are even colored the same". You also see Bombshell there with the other Insecticons & there was no no need to make sweeps cause they were identical to Scourge. There have been many variations of the characters thoughout the history of the transformers animated series. However, First & Formost HASBRO "IS A TOY COMPANY"!!!! Thats where the Money is & like they always say "FOLLOW THE MONEY & you will find the Truth".... FYI, Excellent Video And to quote my main man MEGATRON "Such Heroic Nonsese".... I feel this way cause I was 15 when I saw this movie & I am now 51 Years old and still debating this with people.... HASBRO, JUST SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT PLEASE!!!! I bet they corporate entities that know the answer are have been laughing at us decades.......

The problem there is Cyclonus’s stats indicate intelligence…which is not Skywarp. Bombshell is more intelligent … but this is my opinion. The movie at one point shows more than three sweeps…and the Sunbow cartoons continue this. So the number of reformatted doesn’t matter… so Cyclonus is both Bombshell and Skywarp reformatted into one being.

At the end of the day, it doesn't matter who becomes who. Skywarp's and Bombshell's sparks were already extinguished. Cyclonus and the Sweeps are characters of their own. The old Decepticons bodies are just raw materials used by Unicron to make a new army. If we would claim either one of them became Cyclonus, then we could also say that Ratchet becomes Galvatron or Stinger in the live action movie.

I agree

I agree with this video,Skywarp was a seeker with honour to Megatron and the Decepticon cause,Thundercracker never was a 100% behind the cause,that reflects on how Scourge was behaving,while the others did Galvatrons bidding,Scourge was not and looking for chances to get power on his own,like he possesed the Matrix once....but corrupted him,but in short,this video is legit....let that be the end of it....

Randomly Recommended this video. Considering Cyclonus and Scourge where both envisioned as being resurrected ancient decepticon leaders and skywarp nor Bombshell have any influence on Cyclonus' personalities, I've never really cared about the discussion. I've always liked the idea that instead insecticons transformed were clones, and that the cloned insecticons became Cyclonus and Scourge.

We all know the movie was just a sloppy moneygrab and a crappy excuse to publicly end the license agreements for those characters that were killed off in the movie. Skywarp was always supposed to be 2nd in command as he was the first Transformer to be activated on Earth and the first thing he did was have Megatron repaired. It never made any sense for Bombshell to be Cyclonus. Bombshell never liked Megatron or the other Decepticons.

Skywarp was Cyclonus. Bombshell was never that loyal, and the Sweeps replicate like the Insecticons. People will argue that Bombshell became Cyclonus, but Skywarp was closeest to Unicron before the reformatting. Throw in all of the animation errors and boo, Skywarp is Cyclonus. Also, it doesn't make any sense for 2 Insecticons to become Sweeps and not all 3.

The toys and comic book lists say that Shrapnel is leader of the insecticons Your obviously looking at this a bit narrow minded That's why I won't subscribe or support your channel

He is right.