Who Became Cyclonus? Was it Skywarp, Bombshell, or both? 

TFCON LA had some of the creators of the movie as special guests. One of them said the intention was always for Cyclonus to be built from Skywarp. So it's official now.

Skywarp and Thundercracker were of higher rank than the lowly Insecticons. Megatron looked at the Insecticons as annoying pests. So it makes sense that the Insecticons became The Sweeps. Skywarp became Cyclonus. Thundercracker became Scourge while the Insecticons become The Sweeps. If it were up to me, Reflector should have become Cyclonus’ Armada.

As I told you on your original video my friend, I am on your side, Cyclonus was Skywarp and the sweeps were insecticons. It would make sense Skywarp and Thndercracker, Megatron´s original air attack team became the leaders for Galvatron´s new squad.

The fact that he has clones tells me he's bombshell, but his personality and character traits scream Skywarp to me

I must have static in my rectifiers now that’s the smartest thing you’ve said all day! Wait really? Hey what’s going on??!!!

I personally believe he is Skywarp as he is a more loyal character than Bombshell and also because of the fact that Skywarp has always been one of my favourite seekers in the G1 show

Clearly bombshell became cyclonus because he was up close and flew in lead while skywarp was way in back.

Skywarp -> Cyclonus, Thundercracker -> Scourge

They both turned into two guys who are both named Cyclonus and the rest of the film take turns beating people up and having a lie down on a couch

honestly,I think I will be on the skyward side. He is loyal enough to be him.

I like to believe it's a hybrid of both

When Unicron approached MEGATRON and his Troops and made the contract with them signed in Oil to retrieve the MATRIX Unicron took each robots personality and combined them into One Personality Spark (Until All Are One "Movie running theme") Unicron combining all 6 Decepticons minds together "like a bad ass WiFi" It allows Unicron to speak or hurt them if they disobey (Scene when Galavatron contests Cybertrons Moons and Unicron tortures Galavatron who is then reminded by Scourge that they belong to him)After Unicron combines the 6 Sparks into 1 he then separated them by Personality traits into Six new Sparks and gives each new Deceptiocon one of the personality Traits. Now in school they told us about the 16 personalities that medical professions look upon when diagnosing a patient and "Lunatic" isn't on that list but I'm sure one of those traits fits Lunatic, if you want to know more about the 16 just Google 16 Personalities. 1.Megatron received the Lunatic Persona and became Galvatron. I will leave the other personality traits up to the rest of the fans on which trait belongs and went with who. To me this help Iron out a few personality continuity issues, I look forward to seeing your take on the topic, long live MEGATRON.

Seems that Unicron kept the essence of the Transformer and just upgraded what was there. With Megatron he kept the fact he was a gun modified what type of gun he transformed into. It would seem to me that that taking Skywarp a transformer that turns into a jet and modifying him to transform into a space jet would make more sense than taking a transformer that changes into a big and modifying that to one that changes into a space jet seems a bigger stretch. But then we are talking about the same movie that came up with a robot Galactus.

I'd rather it be Thundercracker... But! I think Skywarp and Thundercracker took on parts of Bombshell giving Skywarp the intelligence and loyalty while Thundercracker Received the ability to replicate the sweeps

Actually, at TFCON 2019, I asked the animator who was Cyclonus and he confirmed that it was Skywarp. So that means your theory was right.

For me skywarp is cyclonus because it is more appropriate for bombshell and the other insecticons to be the sweeps and Thundercracker and skywarp are always close like scourge and cyclonus but thats my opinion

It would really make more sence if Cyclonus was once Skywarp. Then, the Season 3 Ghost Starscream Episodes would make sence. Starscream possesed both Cyclonus and Scourge, who once were Skywarp and Thundercracker, his seeker comrades and same bodytype. This would be a nice easter egg.

I personally believe it’s Skywarp because while yes he isn’t as intelligent as bombshell and Cyclonus, remember Unicorn upgraded their bodies meaning he could have gotten smarter.

Also the ridiculously inconsistent number of Sweeps in Season 3 fits with the Insecticons' cloning abilities. They can actively 'reproduce' when it's required of them.

Soundwave: Skywarp Superior, Bombshell Inferior

Decades before your work, I always understood that Thundercracker became Scourge and Skywarp became Cyclonous. And yes, the Sweeps were made from Insecticon clones, as we can see Bombshell, Kickback, and Shrapnel persist. Well done.

Personally, As a kid, I figured the Decepticons were dead and Unicron made their bodies into new loyal capable warriors. They are so far removed from their original counterparts that they were never the original guys to me.

I still believe that Skywarp was transformed into Cyclonus.

Team skywarp

Unicron said NEW TROOPS TO COMMAND! That means troops Megatron has NEVER had before. So CYCLONUS IS NOT SKYWARP OR BOMBSHELL. He's a NEW DECEPTICON! THIS IS THE TRUE ANSWER! EVERYTHING ELSE IS WRONG🤓

I like to think the purple jet turns into the purple spaceship and the one with shell in his name turns into the shellformer

I believe that Cyclonus is infact Skywarp, not Bombshell.

I like to think that Skywarp and Thundercracker became Cyclonus and Scourge. Then Unicron turned the insecticons into the sweeps because they were left over.

I always thought he was skywarp because they both transform into jets

My question is....Why are there 3 Scourge sweeps on season 3? If I remember, Unicron made only 2 sweeps for Scourge and 1 Armada for Cyclonus. Then, on the season 3, the Cyclonus Armada desappears and Another Scourge Sweep appears, (O-o),with this theory on my head I have this.... 3 Sweeps= The 3 Insecticons..... Cyclonus=Skywarp Scourge= Thundercracker...... In short.....I'M TEAM SKYWARP.

I used to think it was both of them, but now I think it's Skywarp since some of his personality is with Cyclonus

I always decided it was Skywarp only because it made sense to make both jets into the leaders of the Sweeps and Armada. Not the most logical or well reasoned argument but I like it

To reinforce that Cyclonus is Skywarp is that he has some sort of relation to Scourge, like how Skywarp was a close friend to Thundercracker.

My vote is for Skywarp. Though I think a Frankenstein of both of them, with the mind of a new deception kind of makes sense.

Skywarp with Bombshell mixed in.

I always saw cyclonus as skywarp

Great video! This was always one of my favorites! As for what I think, I say Cyclonus was Skywarp as the Insecticons can clone themselves, hence them being all the Sweeps and "the armada." Btw, in the Animated timeline it is implied that Cyclonus is a version of Skywarp from the future, as Scalpel takes note that Cyclonus shares specs with Skywarp.

It makes sense that the Insecticons all became sweeps. They retained their ability to clone themselves. Also transformers being "dead", doesn't mean all that much. It was shown multiple times that dead transformers could be reactivated, and would retain their previous personalities. The movie clearly did not show parts of dead decepticons being recombined. Individual damaged decepticons became individual new/improved ones.

Even without official word, there is one more piece of suggestive evidence in favor of SkyWarp: Starscream's 'ghost', his spark hasbeen known to briefly inhabit others. He never tries to inhabit Galvatron, but he DOES pick BOTH Cyclonus and Scourge. Why? It may be that because under their reformatting, they still retain much of the base formatting of Seekers? This might make it EASIER for the 'deceased' Seeker Starscream to inhabit them. Just a thought.

I Am more towards that Cyclonus is a new Character. I also believe that He inherited the traits of Both Bombshell, and Skywarp. Combining The intelligence of Bombshell, with Skywarp's Loyalty and Jet form could be interestind. Plus I prefer a combination of character's traits into a new character

I've always had a love/hate relationship with the movie. Most of the hate coming from the lack of respect the writers had for our beloved Cybertronians. (I'll go into their heartlessly killing Prowl another time.) As you, Rod Prime, have oft stated, their primary goal was to SELL TOYS. Meaning pesky things like continuity didn't matter. If they'd taken five minutes to think about things, they'd have realized how much sense it makes for the loyal Skywarp to be reformatted as Cyclonus, and more, purposely animated him BECOMING that bot! Also makes sense the replicating Insecticons becoming the multiplying Sweeps. Case closed. And, hey, if they wanted to sell toys so badly, why didn't they market GENERIC Sweeps so kids could make sure Scourge had his "armada" when playing with their TFs? A (hungry) planetful of lost and missed opportunities. 🤔

The idea that cyclonus is a Frankenstein hybrid of bombshell and skywarp is vastly more interesting

Let's go back to their reformatting. When Unicron announces "Cyclonus, the warrior", we see both the former Bombshell (in front) and the former Skywarp (behind). But when he says, "and his Armada", we mostly see the former Bombshell, Only. This makes it clear that Bombshell became Armada, therefore Skywarp became Cyclonus.

For me, the more acceptable theory is "Cyclonus was remodeled from Skywarp". Tranformers: the movie was an 80's cartoon and there was so many flaws in creating drawings then. The technology was very limited that time. Images are done manually by animators. Errors are likely to happened.

The whole scene seemed jacked up to me when I first saw it back on VHS. There are 2 Cyclonus characters, people always tried to rationalize it, but for me it was clear it was an animation mistake. So there is no established logic one can take from the character's origin.

The hell with Bombshell! He is Skywarp!

I have always thought cyclonus was a combination of the two skywarp and bombshell. The two merged to become the ultimate second in command loyal and smart

Many of you are asking why I re-posted this video. This is my first this month with videos that I did while my family is going through a major turn of events. I lay it all in detail right here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-NBxDJCQ_es4.html&lc=UgybeBywTlmnqEhDlJZ4AaABAg

I like to think he's Skywarp (mostly, he's not 100% Skywarp) because, the insecticon cloning powers makes sence for the Sweeps. I don't think it would be accurate to say Cyclonus is Bombshell at all, since the Insecticons survive the movie due to there swarm of clones. So the sweeps/Cyclonus aren't rebuilt versions of Shrapnel, Kickback, and Bombshell, but rather they're rebuilt versions of Zaptrap, Shothole, and Salvo, the Insecticons respective clones. That isn't to say that Cyclonus isn't, in part, made from insecticon parts. I suspect Scourge has a similar mix of Seeker and Insecticon.

RE: Skywarp: Remember in the G1 cartoon episode when Megatron dug that crystal out of the South American pyramid, and then summoned Skywarp to fight, and Starscream said, "How dare you demote me to guard-duty, Megatron!" And Skywarp said (?) "Have fun playing crystal, NERDscreamer. Bye-eeee." And he transformed and flew off. That moment when he said 'bye', was so great. His voice sounded so metallic, and yet was so inflected with so much smart-assness. He sounded like a robot to have that much computer effect IN his voice, but achieved that level of smart-assness in the same voice. Because of the degree of smart-assness, his voice seemed like it was coming from a real living being, not a synthesizer in a studio. It was captured so well. That moment is one of my favorite moments in visual entertainment from all time. And I'm over 45 years old.

I kind of like the idea that Skywarp is Cyclonus. With Thundercracker being Scourge it's pretty fitting for 2 of the 3 main seekers to become remade after Starscream (1 of the 3) fucks them over.

If I could go back in time and re write that part of the movie this is how I would do it. 1.) The Decepticons that get thrown out of Astrotrain would have been Megatron, Thundercracker, Skywarp, and the three reflector guys. Not the insecticons. 2.) Skywarp would have been turned into Cyclonus, Reflector would have been three Sweeps and Thundercracker would have been Scourge, although Not a sweep lookalike. I would have had Scourge look like a jet not a hovercraft. I never understood why Hasbro, trying to sell toys, made 4 guys all look the same and only market one of them. Seems like a wasted opportunity for another toy.

I say he was made from Skywarp.

I think Cyclonus IS Skywarp and Scourge is Thundercracker, the rest of the sweeps are insecticon clones.

my money's on SkyWarp. i've always liked him more than StarScream and ThunderCracker

Even when i was young and first saw this movie, i always felt skywarp was the real cyclonus and bombshell was the clone , made more sense to me F-15- Space fighter, cause cyclonus was a good flyer and so was skywarp.

Hmm I'm unsure. I can see it from both sides and personally speaking I didn't like Bombshell or Skywarp. So I've got no personal stake. Soundwave was my favourite Decepticon so I suppose given a jet is much closer to a Space Fighter than a bug is....I suppose I'll stab for it being Skywarp but honestly I don't think it matters. I think Cyclonus may have been a new personality that may have shared with Skywarp or Bombshell and was the dominant personality. If we could have seen inside Cyclonus' head we'd likely see a bit of a personality thing like we did with the Vehicon generals from Beast Machines and now I'm going to shut up because I've probably said something stupid without knowing.

It always made more sense to me Cyclonus is Skywarp. I just felt that when you didn't see the Armada Cyclonus after that one scene and then Scourge and now 3 sweeps instead of 2 that maybe the animators thought Bombshell should be a Sweep too and just have them all be made from cloned Insecticons. You do see the all 3 Insecticons later in season 3 and the Sweeps seem to always grow in numbers. But, it's whatever you want it to be.

Personally I think he was skywarp before unicrons reformatting of him as skywarp was a dimwitted brute of a bot who was loyal to the extreme to Megatron and his most faithful servant of the seekers it makes sense the most simple minded and personal lapdog to thier leader of the 3 of them that skywarp became cyclonus who was loyal to galvatron inspite of his insanity bombshell was treacherous conniving and always in it for himself he had no loyalty to Megatron or the Decepticons for that matter and only really served to further his own goals

I vote completely reformatted new characters. If pressed to make a choice between the two, I'd pick Skywarp. Intent of the story was the Armada existing, but was dropped due to budget and/or animation errors. Bombshell, original or clone, possessed the cloning ability to replicate more Armada. A lost opportunity since their always was a fierce rivalry between Cyclonus and Scourge, with both meant to be on equal terms and commanding respective armies of generics. Without the Armada, Cyclonus is at a great disadvantage in their grudge match. Obviously I'm pro Armada, which helps justify all the Cyclonus toys I buy.

One thing I don’t think anybody has mentioned was the fact that there was almost a Megatron/Skywarp triple changer at one point in G1. This shows that the people at Hasbro/Takara had more interest in him than people give him credit for.

I know I'm late to this, but I'm on the Skywarp side. You bring up some good points that lean towards Skywarp, with Bombshell clone parts mixed in, and we do see aspects of Skywarp in Cyclonus's personality in the G1 cartoon in Season 3, so for me, I'm on Skywarp side

Definitely Skywarp. Great video!

Big deal. They are just animation errors.

I have always thought the simplest answer was Thudercracker and Bombshell became the two main characters since they were in the forefront. This is the first time I heard a version where they could be a mish mesh of dead Decepticons. Seems like they made Scourge unique enough to not have an argument of who he was. The mish mesh theory could explain it better as far as Cyclonus is concerned since it seems like that would best explain his loyalty like Skywarp and smarts like Bombshell. Maybe he is a 50/50 combination of them.

skywarp was a plane like cyclonus and the trusted one.

I believed the scene with bombshell and skywarp both becoming cyclonus was to show that cyclonus was the best of both worlds from bombshell he got extreme intelligence And from skywarp he got loyalty and great flying skills and that most of the remains from skywarp and some from bombshell which created cyclonus and the leftovers from both skywarp and bombshell were used to create the third sweep so skywarp and bombshell are both cyclonus and a sweep

I think it would make since for the insecticons to become sweeps since both the insecticons and sweeps can duplicate

Man, you’ve taken a QUATUM LEAP in your editing! Freaking RAD my dude!

Sourge and cyclonous, have similar amounts of loyalty to Galvatron, which I conclude that bombshell is infact as a sweep, as two insecticons are required to allow cloning. However aspects of both are parts of the sweeps, as they all loyal are loyal to Galvatron. Which the insecticons lack

Even if we look at their personalities Skywarp always made more sense, in fact we can say that while Scourge and Cyclonus were still vastly different some aspects of Thundercracker's and Skywarp's personalities carried on. According to Thunfercracker's bio he is an arrogant guy same for Scourge while Skywarp is said to be blindly loyal to Megatron, like Cyclonus is with Galvatron. Bombshell just doesn't make sense to be Cyclonus, really don't get how can someone think like it works

Skywarp all-day!

Skywarp side al the way for everything you said. Though I can see the Bombshell side.

He has scraps of both but I think it's skyward because he's stronger and has the attitude of skywarp

I've always felt that it was Skywarp. It fit the most. He was the most loyal and his loyalty carried over.

The giant planet eating planet transformer, that's a mouth full, almost a planets worth lol.

Always thought cyclonus was skywarp. But after watching your vid id say he is a combo of both but the skywarp model so to speak was used heavily in the creation of cyclonus because he is a jet. So maybe 60/40 skywarp/bombshell.

I love how scourge threw the bot into the glass and cyclonus just goes "well everyone has to be somewhere" and when scourge starts shooting the others cyclonus just chills out and casually walks up to the input interface

My pet theory (formed circa 1986-87): Megatron's body & life spark --> Galvatron Skywarp's body --> Cyclonus Bombshell clone body --> Cyclonus' "Armada" (destroyed in battle later on during Transformers: The Movie) Thundercracker --> Scourge Shrapnel clone body --> Sweep #1 Kickback clone body --> Sweep #2 Other insecticon clones and/or Unicron's scrap metal collection --> any and all other Sweeps Shockwave --> destroyed while heroically defending Cybertron from Unicron

I know this video was 2 years ago but I still want to put my belief out there and I go with skywarp. How would an insecticon(not saying he can't) adapt to a whole new form like a jet or some aerial modification. Skywarp is the only one who is more prone to knowing exactly how it feels to be in this type of alt mode and I'm sure he'd adapt way faster if not almost immediately to his new space jet mode.

Skywarp since the Sweeps’ cloning abilities most likely came from the Insecticons while Thundercracker became Scourge.

I think there is a double standard going on here amongst the Transformers fandom, especially those who were first exposed to Transformers through the cartoon and not the comic/toy line. So, here is the question, is Rumble blue or red and the same for Frenzy. Considering the comic and the toy line came out before the cartoon, you would think that Rumble is red and Frenzy is blue. But fans who saw the cartoon first stick with Rumble being blue, Frenzy red... meaning they ignore the comic and the toy line (catalogue) if that is the case, then why pay attention to the toy line regarding who is Cyclonus? Yeah, I was the same back in the day, assuming Cyclonus was originally Skywarp but if we are going to use the logic that the robot in the foreground is the new reformatted robot, i.e. Thundercracker in to Scourge, then it would have to be the same with Cyclonus where Bombshell was in the foreground making him Cyclonus. I prefer the Cyclonus bio that says he was created by Unicron from the parts of dead Decepticons and so I'd like to think he is a fusion of both Skywarp and Bombshell. This sits better with me because let's face it, Skywarp is a bit too dim-witted to be someone as strong and intelligent as Cyclonus. Anyway, as always Mr Primal, great video. Just watched your Triple changer video as well. Nice.

I’m team Skywarp. Cyclonus’s relationship with Scourge makes sense for him to be Skywarp. It doesn’t seem right to turn such a minor character like Bombshell into a badass one like Cyclonus. Plus Skywarp was one of my favorites.

skywarp

I like the theory, that Bombshell and Skywarp were melted thogether to make Cyclonus. (I know, that this video is an re-upload, but I didn't see it, so I'm leaving my comment anyway.)

Megatron - Galvatron Scourge - Thundercracker Cyclonus - Skywarp Insecticons - Sweeps.

No matter what I use the theory that the seekers became Scourge and Cyclonus...and Im sticking to it lol

Skywarp! Though I can get behind the frankenstein idea!

As a G1 is, it was full of animation errors and downplay to promote other bots. The picture you showed when all of them was floating near Unicron had Bombshell to the utmost right and Skywarp next to him, but during body change that was swapped. So to keep physics even in space the bot showned changing into Cyclonus would be Skywarp, not Bombshell. Another fact that is easilly forgotten is that Skywarp wasnt dumb, he just lacked motivation for the war and just wanted to be on the side with the bigger guns. What if his teleportation ability was damaged almost beyond repair, but he became better motivated instead?

Honestly I think it would be Skywarp purely because he is a more prominent character, have the two seekers become the ones in charge of the sweeps while the insecticons become the sweeps. Either that or the third option hoestly.

In my book, I think that the body of Skywarp became Cyclonus. They both transform into purple aircraft & are both extremely loyal. Meanwhile, the body of Bombshell becomes a sweep like the other Insecticons as it would make sense that Bombshell joins his fellow insecticons as sweeps as both the insecticons/sweeps are able to replicate.

I like the info that he gives and I agree with him that Cyclonus was once Skywarp (my favorite of the seekers)

Unicron used their dead bodies like clay and just resculpted them into new warriors. None of their original personalities remained in Cyclonus or Scourge. Galvatron retained some of Megatron's memories because he was the only Decepticon to barely function at the time.

Makes sense that Skywarp is indeed more of a Cyclonus.

Excellent analysis. I would definitely favor the argument that Cyclonus was Skywarp mostly because we did see all the Insecticons later on.

Skywarp. In my opinion its a bit weird if cyclonus was bombshell since he wasn't loyal to megatron

I always figured thundercracker became scourge, skywarp became cyclonus, and the insecticons became the duplicates because they can duplicate.

I really love your videos. I'm new on Transformers and God I was introduced with Michael Bay as a kid somebody help me! So I hated the franchise because I thought was boring, however this recent month they introduced me to Transformers the original one and I'm enjoying it. For me it's make sence will be Skywarp I'm with you, but also the idea to mix 2 decepticons in one is actually lovely, the thing is I will miss these 2 seekers.

It's definitely Skywarp

I think Skywarp became Cyclonus.