Yeah and think about it he gave up his life for it training and creating the myth of Batman and he is confirmed to have done it after his so called death mission 1 talia Al goul 0 Selina kyle 0
Maybe Talia can be seen as Gwen and Catwoman as MJ. If Gwen had survived, Peter would have stayed with her (as seen in Spider-Man Blue). However, that didn't happen, and with time and personal growth (for both Peter and MJ), they found happiness together. While being married, he still loved Gwen, not because MJ was lesser, but because the time he shared with her still had meaning. The road to MJ (Catwoman in this case) is still canon and just as meaningful, due to Bruce finding someone he could trust and love again. It simply took a few (albeit painful) steps to get there.
That’s actually a really good way to put it, Talia is most likely alive in the Arkhamverse, given her body is taken by the League Of Shadows during the fight with Clayface, so they likely resurrected her with a lazarus pit. But that doesn’t change anything, Selena was always just as excellent for Bruce, maybe even more so, there’s definitely less crazy zealot father in law baggage. He’d have developed a much stronger relationship with her by the time of the events of Arkham Knight, hence why she knows Batman and Bruce Wayne are one and the same, they trust each other a lot more. By that point they’d be close to being in an actual relationship of some kind, so even if Talia were to be found out to be alive or come in the picture in some way, things have changed, Bruce would love Talia in a different way, the way we love those who have passed.
@arthurfleck629 I think it's safe to say that Talia is gone for good. The Lazurus Pit was destroyed in Arkham City, and the Lazarus Pure Source was destroyed by Nyssa in Arkham Knight. There's no way for Talia to return.
@@beavers1978apart from the massive amount of time in between the games that would allow for her to revived. You also act like there isn't more than one Pit? Batman knows of one because he didn't know of their existence before. If this was Talia's first time I'm sure she would be fine.
While they were both alive, it was obviously Talia. I Think you missed a very important dialogue. In City, when Batman is rescued by Catwoman and protocol 10 starts, all Batman thinks is Talia, and Batman would've gone straight after her, to the point that Alfred has to reason with him that the city comes first. Pretty strong moment.
Yes. Alfred had to straight up refuse Bruce's orders to get him to listen. Bruce was willing to let hundreds of people die in Arkham City to save Talia instead.
I think Batman loves Talia and Catwoman he just doesn't know which one he wants to be with so he goes back and forth but I think after Talia's death he got closer to Catwoman because he didn't really know how to deal with Talia's loss so he just distracted himself with Catwoman's company I do think Arkham Batman loves Talia a bit more but to be honest I really don't know Batman is a complicated dude bro is a ladies man
when he said that 'Bruce Wayne' aka the 'real' him... i knew that this guy doesn't understand Arkham Batman since in the Arkham verse... Bruce Wayne is a facade and Batman is his REAL identity.... this goes to show how he handles talia in the theatre and picks jokers body instead of talias.... maybe talias death led Arkham batman to fully connect with catwoman and even talks about his real identity (sort of) aka being The Batman when riddler was defeated
@@godzillazfrictionI get that Batman is Bruce’s true personality but supposed fans believe that Batman is all there is to Bruce. Batman is the dark half and Bruce is the light half: one can’t exist without the other, otherwise Batman would be a fucked up version of the punisher-even Alfred makes these fears of his voiced. By the end of the day, Batman is his trauma and his real personality-pain, vengeance, determination, etc. And Bruce is what keeps him grounded-love, restraint, the promise to his parents, etc.
@@godzillazfriction just thought you needed a basic reminder seeing as you stated “I knew that this guy didn’t understand Arkham Batman since in the Arkham verse Bruce Wayne is the façade.” Which in itself is a “no shit” since everyone knows and you misunderstood his point.
you didn't read the arkham comics, what you said happens on main earth, but not in arkham, in arkham bruce never had a relationship with selina the comics showed that, they had chemistry but they never had a relationship because bruce always knew which was a bad idea, and Selina in Arkham only discovered that Bruce was Batman when the scarecrow revealed his identity, Selina in Arkham was more of a slut, Bruce didn't trust her and never dated her and never revealed his identity to her At the end of Arkham Night, Selina kisses Bruce and Bruce doesn't kiss her back, after 2 seconds of kissing Bruce pushed Selina and said he didn't need her help, he literally rejected Selina, and in the comics Arkham is shown every time Bruce had a relationship with Talia before Arkham City and in these comics Bruce said that the only woman he loved was Talia
@@carmensandiego328you didn't read the arkham comics, what you said happens on main earth, but not in arkham, in arkham bruce never had a relationship with selina the comics showed that, they had chemistry but they never had a relationship because bruce always knew which was a bad idea, and Selina in Arkham only discovered that Bruce was Batman when the scarecrow revealed his identity, Selina in Arkham was more of a slut, Bruce didn't trust her and never dated her and never revealed his identity to her At the end of Arkham Night, Selina kisses Bruce and Bruce doesn't kiss her back, after 2 seconds of kissing Bruce pushed Selina and said he didn't need her help, he literally rejected Selina, and in the comics Arkham is shown every time Bruce had a relationship with Talia before Arkham City and in these comics Bruce said that the only woman he loved was Talia
@@Diabolicaleditznow coming back to this vid tho Selina is close to him prolly, even tho Bruce would still pick Alfred in ssktjl( if u consider the game canon or not ) there are letters from Selina to Bruce with kiss marks n shi imp,Hong that they are together
I think it's cool how the love for both Talia and Selena are prominently shown. Love is complicated and often that seems to be taken in negative ways in media like a character falling out of love or someone cheating in the relationship. Here love is treated with more respect as something that is unique to someone's life. Bruce simply loved Talia and Selena at different points in his life. There's no "one true love" here. It's all unique to how this Batman's life has unfolded.
That's how love works, there is no such thing as "the one", it is meeting a person you are compatible with at the right point in time for both, and if you both are willing to work on the relationship it will preserve but if it fails there is always other people you are also compatible with that would be willing to have a serious relationship with you.
you didn't read the arkham comics, what you said happens on main earth, but not in arkham, in arkham bruce never had a relationship with selina the comics showed that, they had chemistry but they never had a relationship because bruce always knew which was a bad idea, and Selina in Arkham only discovered that Bruce was Batman when the scarecrow revealed his identity, Selina in Arkham was more of a slut, Bruce didn't trust her and never dated her and never revealed his identity to her At the end of Arkham Night, Selina kisses Bruce and Bruce doesn't kiss her back, after 2 seconds of kissing Bruce pushed Selina and said he didn't need her help, he literally rejected Selina, and in the comics Arkham is shown every time Bruce had a relationship with Talia before Arkham City and in these comics Bruce said that the only woman he loved was Talia
Catwoman is his love. I'm a BatCat guy whether in the games or the comics and unlike most of Bruce's other love interests Selina is the one that relates to and understands him the most they share values and even when they aren't together they still love each other. The current state of their relationship in canon proves that one with them going through relationship drama thanks to the Catwoman book from last year to now and the upcoming war between them.
That doesn’t mean anything in the Arkham verse. In the comics Catwoman knows Batman’s identity, in the games, she doesn’t find out until the very end of the franchise because Batman doesn’t trust her. It’s even alluded to in the Hugo Strange tapes in Arkham City.
I see this as situation similar to Peter Parker romance with Gwen Stacy and later MJ. Batman had feelings for Talia in Arkham City, despite opposing her methods. When she died, he and Catwoman slowly start to develop their relationship.
Bruh she ditches this man like every time they encountered each other. Talia and Batman both had feelings for each other and after her death and Joker's death he basically was unbalanced. The Arkham City DLC about Harley Quinn explains it.
I would say he loved talia but eventually due to her opening up a bit more he started to love catwoman and if you beat the side missions before the main story in knight, she calls him Bruce which means she has known Bruce was Batman before it was revealed. I think Catwoman has this thing where it’s about learning to love again despite the tragedies. Catwoman acts cold as well as Batman in their own way but they act more vulnerable as the night goes on and the riddlers rage tenses up
The Riddler's secondary mission can be done in whatever order you want, but it was designed to be done after the Scarecrow revealed his identity, the Arkham comics showed that Selina only discovered that Bruce was Batman after the Scarecrow revealed his identity, which You said it was a mistake in the game, she only found out after the scarecrowyou didn't read the arkham comics, what you said happens on main earth, but not in arkham, in arkham bruce never had a relationship with selina the comics showed that, they had chemistry but they never had a relationship because bruce always knew which was a bad idea, and Selina in Arkham only discovered that Bruce was Batman when the scarecrow revealed his identity, Selina in Arkham was more of a slut, Bruce didn't trust her and never dated her and never revealed his identity to her At the end of Arkham Night, Selina kisses Bruce and Bruce doesn't kiss her back, after 2 seconds of kissing Bruce pushed Selina and said he didn't need her help, he literally rejected Selina, and in the comics Arkham is shown every time Bruce had a relationship with Talia before Arkham City and in these comics Bruce said that the only woman he loved was Talia
I feel like he genuinely loved Talia. With Selina, he only really cared for her but didn’t plan to take it anywhere. It was platonic love and I can relate.
@@TommFoolery There's probably more to it. I'm by no means a comic-head but I know there's been a lot more going on in the comics. In these games however, I can't remember anything explicit but then again, it's been 5 years since I touched the series.
@@ShFred They kiss in the the scene where Batman says goodbye to her in Arkham Knight. In that scene Catwoman also suggests they "get a hotel room" and it doesn't come across as a joke imo.
Personally Talia was the best option in the Arkham Universe and she genuinely loved Bruce, she literally got caught intentionally to get the cure for Bruce. Hell Ra's Al Ghoul even said she was the woman he loved during the end of the boss fight.
@@ErenDenizMertyou didn't read the arkham comics, what you said happens on main earth, but not in arkham, in arkham bruce never had a relationship with selina the comics showed that, they had chemistry but they never had a relationship because bruce always knew which was a bad idea, and Selina in Arkham only discovered that Bruce was Batman when the scarecrow revealed his identity, Selina in Arkham was more of a slut, Bruce didn't trust her and never dated her and never revealed his identity to her At the end of Arkham Night, Selina kisses Bruce and Bruce doesn't kiss her back, after 2 seconds of kissing Bruce pushed Selina and said he didn't need her help, he literally rejected Selina, and in the comics Arkham is shown every time Bruce had a relationship with Talia before Arkham City and in these comics Bruce said that the only woman he loved was Talia
@@VioletStreak02you didn't read the arkham comics, what you said happens on main earth, but not in arkham, in arkham bruce never had a relationship with selina the comics showed that, they had chemistry but they never had a relationship because bruce always knew which was a bad idea, and Selina in Arkham only discovered that Bruce was Batman when the scarecrow revealed his identity, Selina in Arkham was more of a slut, Bruce didn't trust her and never dated her and never revealed his identity to her At the end of Arkham Night, Selina kisses Bruce and Bruce doesn't kiss her back, after 2 seconds of kissing Bruce pushed Selina and said he didn't need her help, he literally rejected Selina, and in the comics Arkham is shown every time Bruce had a relationship with Talia before Arkham City and in these comics Bruce said that the only woman he loved was Talia
I think if we really go back and analyze all of Batman and Joker's dialogue, there could be a solid argument to be made that those two are truly the loves of eachothers lives.
Batman never loved Joker, especially since there's the implications that he wanted to do serious torture and damage to the clown prince of crime in Arkham Knight.
Since the joker is apart of Batmans mind in Arkham Knight him saying to confess your feelings before he takes control shows Batman definitely loves catwoman
Yeah. I think Batman did have feelings for Talia but he loves Catwoman. Joker being in his mind means he would know the best ways to hurt him. Ans he does that by telling Bruce to tell Selina how he feels cuz she has a target on her. Joker didn't say Dick, Bruce's adopted son and a person he cares for and Joker didn't mention Alfred who is a 2nd father to him. Clearly Batman cares a lot for Dick and Alfred, and yet Joker brought Catwoman into things.
you didn't read the arkham comics, what you said happens on main earth, but not in arkham, in arkham bruce never had a relationship with selina the comics showed that, they had chemistry but they never had a relationship because bruce always knew which was a bad idea, and Selina in Arkham only discovered that Bruce was Batman when the scarecrow revealed his identity, Selina in Arkham was more of a slut, Bruce didn't trust her and never dated her and never revealed his identity to her At the end of Arkham Night, Selina kisses Bruce and Bruce doesn't kiss her back, after 2 seconds of kissing Bruce pushed Selina and said he didn't need her help, he literally rejected Selina, and in the comics Arkham is shown every time Bruce had a relationship with Talia before Arkham City and in these comics Bruce said that the only woman he loved was Talia
@@rosestar1324not exactly, the joker was playing with batman, bruce had feelings for selina but didn't love her, in the arkham cmics it explains this, Joker didn't want to hurt Bruce he just wanted to play with him because it was a hallucination,you didn't read the arkham comics, what you said happens on main earth, but not in arkham, in arkham bruce never had a relationship with selina the comics showed that, they had chemistry but they never had a relationship because bruce always knew which was a bad idea, and Selina in Arkham only discovered that Bruce was Batman when the scarecrow revealed his identity, Selina in Arkham was more of a slut, Bruce didn't trust her and never dated her and never revealed his identity to her At the end of Arkham Night, Selina kisses Bruce and Bruce doesn't kiss her back, after 2 seconds of kissing Bruce pushed Selina and said he didn't need her help, he literally rejected Selina, and in the comics Arkham is shown every time Bruce had a relationship with Talia before Arkham City and in these comics Bruce said that the only woman he loved was Talia
When I played Arkham City back in the day, I kinda liked Talia more than Selina but I think when I found out how Damian was conceived led me to liking Selena more
@@quentinjones6877 It was retconned but then retconned back and honestly it's really messy considering Batman Hush (the movie) essentially confirms it. So it's canon but it's also not because that's how comics work. Giving Bruce a date rape drug though is only one of the few things that make her an unstable love interest to Bruce in my opinion. Even with that instance in particular retconned after all, the stuff with Jason doesn't exactly paint her in a good picture either... Personally I don't think that's a bad thing, from a writing POV. But then again I never cared much for Talia as a love interest for Bruce beyond being a past love interest, because that Dynamic is interesting to me. A past love that you were or feel betrayed by. Edit: Essentially I think there's a lot of opportunity for muddled and complicated relationship between them which is no less good to read when done right. The only problem, is when done right lol DC tends to have a history for avoiding addressing abuse of men and brushing it off or retconning it.
Batman loves dangerous women. That’s the one toxic quality that’s pretty consistent in the continuity. Even when Bruce thought Andrea Beaumont was still normal…BAM! She’s a vengeful murderous vixen! Of course, there’s Batgirl but 💥🔫
@@quentinjones6877I really hate that Grant Morrison retcon it to date rape. It was consensual until his moronic brain didn’t think so and now everyone goes with that continuity
You forgot to mention the part where Batman was going to choose to save Talia over ending protocol 10 and only to stop it cause Alfred and oracle forced him too and he is someone who will always choose the mission
He had something going on with Catwoman in Knight for sure, but remember his reaction to seeing Talia’s sword in the GCPD evidence locker. He said “Talia… I’m sorry” and leaned against it. I love the Cat and the Bat through and through but I think that in the Arkham series, Talia was Batman’s true love. Only after her death, Batman got closer to Catwoman.
Small thing to point out, in arkham vr(which is canon), there’s voice messages of Vicki vale saying that they are not technically a thing and there is alao postcards by selina from different places around the world with also a globe which contains a cutout of different heists on the newspaper which took place in the same places as selinas postcards
In Arkham Origins it is revealed by letters in the bad gave that Andrea Beaumont who was an original creation for Batman Mask of the Phantasm exist in this universe and so anytime Andre is in the conversation I am going to be here without question.
Seems pretty simple, doesn't it? He loved Talia, but she died. He then grew much closer to Selina, but before anything really seirous could happen there his identity was exposed and he made the choice to end it, knowing what he would do. It's pretty clear he didn't want to, but the mission comes first even before Selina and Talia.
well actually in city batman wanted to go save talia more then save arkham city but they had to convice him to go stop protocol 10 and in knight he goes to talia sword and says her name and takes a moment of silence for as long as you want till you press a button
yeah so pretty much he loved talia more cause he would let a whole city be gone just for her so i dont know what this guy talking about in this video but makes sense cause he said he is a fan of cat and bat so makes sense@@alexanderthered5603
@@alexanderthered5603you didn't read the arkham comics, what you said happens on main earth, but not in arkham, in arkham bruce never had a relationship with selina the comics showed that, they had chemistry but they never had a relationship because bruce always knew which was a bad idea, and Selina in Arkham only discovered that Bruce was Batman when the scarecrow revealed his identity, Selina in Arkham was more of a slut, Bruce didn't trust her and never dated her and never revealed his identity to her At the end of Arkham Night, Selina kisses Bruce and Bruce doesn't kiss her back, after 2 seconds of kissing Bruce pushed Selina and said he didn't need her help, he literally rejected Selina, and in the comics Arkham is shown every time Bruce had a relationship with Talia before Arkham City and in these comics Bruce said that the only woman he loved was Talia
Look at those two kisses. With Catwoman, he hold her and is doing something. With Talia, on the other hand, he just stands there. He let her kiss him, but he himself not done much. Someone might argue that he didnt have time, and was poisoned with Joker´s blood, but he didn´t done anything at all. I think that he love and in the same time hate Talia. He like her as woman, but all the League of Shadows stuff is not his style. And is too much big part of her. He can never be with her like that. Catwoman is a criminal, but from time to time she do something good. She also don´t kill, only steal jewels, money and other stuff. Yes, there are times she steal somemething dangerous, but in the end, she is not that dangerous and he could be with her.
Batman will always love Catwoman. Batman is a man after alll, the psychology of a man, demands him to want to protect and provide....he still loves himself a strong woman as a partner but is still a man. Talia is a general of an assassin army, wealthy af and a great assassin... if you count the possibility, can be near immortality too... from many perspectives, Talia is superior to Bruce....he cares for her, has affection for her, but cannot love her. On the other hand, Selena was an orphan like him, she was not born rich and she is a thief, but with her circumstances forced her to be one(she could have chosen to be a prostitute but she didn't), she is still strong and smart and resilient, she can fight, and bonus, activates the manly hero need in Bruce's heart. That's why Bruce will always love Sel;ena Kyle.
I think Batman had a love hate relationship with talia where he did love her but knew it wouldn’t last cause if her devotion to the league of shadows. After she died he mourned her and mostly moved on only having regret about not saving her but ultimately decided not to ignore his feelings for Selina. It’s obvious he’s taking their relationship more seriously after city.
Dang I had no idea andrea was in the Arkham universe, I guess that might explain why Bruce was angry during his early years , maybe he lost her while she was searching for her father .
yeah honestly we know nothing about this guy. we know his feats and his tech but deep down we know almost nothing about who Arkham Batman really is because we only see him for 4 nights that all have an extremely large time span between them
ArkhamVerse Talia & Catwoman both seemed like they were good for Bruce, but idk, he seemed absolutely distraught over Talia’s death, even almost a year later.
It’s so clear. Talia was the love of his life in this series and it makes sense because she was a more toned down version of the character, more in-tune with BTAS than Morrison’s run. It’s so evident that Talia’s the only person Bruce shows genuine weakness towards across the games. Even in the Arkham Unhinged comics (which some claim are not canon because of AK - but it doesn’t matter) Bruce expresses a desire to leave the mission behind if he could spend the rest of his life with Talia. Catwoman and Batman are an on and off, mostly sexually tense/physical, relationship. She doesn’t find out his identity until the very end of AK, this shows that they’re not on the same level in the Arkhamverse as they are in the comics. He surely cares for Selina, but he doesn’t love her the same way he does Talia. It’s just nice to see the writers take the Bruce x Talia dynamic seriously without writing either of the characters completely out of character.
Selina knows Bruce Wayne is Batman if you complete Riddlers challenges before ending Arkham Knight she tells Batman that she will sneak by Wayne Manor to make sure his doors are locked.
I just have two things to say: 1. 10:44 that dialogue leaves me feeling complicated version of hatred for hallucination Joker 2. As a fellow BatCat stan, I am tired of DC dangling the couple in front of us like this: I am convinced the only reason they've never pulled the trigger is because it would disrupt their "successful" (and I use that word LOOSELY) status quo and they'd have to actually come up with NEW stories revolving around said NEW status quo
But that’s the thing, isn’t it? It’s always about the status quo in the end. It’s why Spider-Man can’t have Mary-Jane, why they always try to split Superman and Lois apart (and failed constantly to), why Wonder Woman and Steve Trevor are always in this weird place of yes/no. Because of bullshit like the status quo
Also just want to mention how nice it is that the first time we see catwoman in arkham batman saves her, then later she saves him. Then in Knight He saves her from Riddler and let's her free, and instead of her leaving she later returns to "save him", I quoted it because she really helped more than save but still she came back for him even tho she could've left.
I don't think it's wrong to say he loved Talia in the past but grew to love Selina later on. Kind of like natural progression. Talia was his past, Selina was his future (regardless if they last). People move on, it happens, and if anything it gives more depth to their characters.
I just noticed the Arabic words on Ras al ghul's sword, it's (شيطان راس) translates "Demon head" or "Head of the devil". Ras al ghoul or راس الغول in arabic translates to Head of the Ghoul. It's not perfect but i love these little details in the Arkham games.
Bro, you completely skipped protocol 10 where Batman argued with Alfred about going after strange vs saving Talia. Crucial moment and Batman’s biggest conflict in the games. Talia 210%, he was willing to let everyone in AC die so he could save Talia.
If I’m not mistaken I believe the Vikki Vale messages in Knight were supposed to be a nod at Hush using Bruce’s face to go out and have fun. He eventually met up with Vikki and the other people that left him messages, and the real Bruce had nothing to do with it.
Here is a list of Batmans love interests (or just people he has had a releationship with): Catwoman Talia Al Ghul Vick Vale Wonder Woman Black Canary Silver St. Cloud Harley Quinn Andrea Beaumont Zatanna Julie Madison Poison Ivy Lois Lane Dick Grayson (Well people thought they had a gay releationship. They didn't but still.) Original Batwoman (To make Batman not look like he's in a gay releationship with robin.) The mission AND OFC BATMANS BIGGEST LOVE INTEREST THEY LOVE EACHOTHER AND CARE ABOUT EACHOTHER MORE THAN ANYTHING YES YOU KNOW WHO IT IS IT'S: The Joker (who is also Arkham batmans true love if you didn't know 🤣)
I always liked the Batman x Wonder Woman relationship. It’s more mature. There is no criminal activity / betraying / lying / double-crossing him bs with WW like it is with Talia & Selina. She’s direct with him as he is with her. Also she is straightforward about her feelings for him. I liked them in JL & JLU. Zack Snyder was also building them up until WB canceled the DCEU.
In all Batman universes Talia was introduced to Batman by Ra’s to lure him to the League and Batman knows that. She is the honeypot to make him an assassin. The other thing to note is that Talia calls him Bruce, when she goes to kiss him she removes his cowl and as you pointed it’s Bruce Wayne’s voice that is heard not Batman. Catwoman on the other hand kisses a masked Batman and calls him Batman. Batman has no issue with Talia’s guards seeing his face or knowing his name is Bruce which shows a HUGE level of trust. They are both unrequited loves. Batman could never date a thief and Bruce Wayne could never date an assassin, they are people he wants but morally can’t openly have. They are both self decided “what if’s” that he could unequivocally date if he wanted to. They are both people that he should stop and could stop based on his code as a vigilante but his attraction to both stops him. He taunts himself with both, he wants that normal life but actively picks two women he could never commit to fully so he picks a persona (Batman and Bruce Wayne) to pursue each, Bruce Wayne can love Talia and ignore her bad sides and Batman can fall for Catwoman and ignore her bad sides but like his own lack of commitment to an identity he can avoid commitment to a woman. … or you know polyamory.
Catwoman does call him Bruce in arkham knight. Bruce didn't even tell Talia he was dying. Bruce told Catwoman Batman was gonna "die" when he said good bye to her in AK. Catwoman is also a better person morally and is considered more of an anti hero cuz even the other villains see her connection to Batman.
When Bruce was like 27 in Origins, he cared for the people of Gotham more than anyone (its clearly seen that he actually cared in the scene where we encounter Bane for the first time and there, Joker had bombed a building casually. Then Batman was angry as hell saying "How many people you just killed" ) and when he became more older in Arkham City and Knight, he fell in love with Tania and Selina respectively but his care for the people remained first and everything else were secondary. Thats why Origins is my favorite
I think that when it comes to Arkham Batman, his true love was Talia. He clearly cared for Selina, but he showed himself very vulnerable when it came to Talia.
Batman lusts pretty hard for Talia, but she is as you say a temptress for his opposition and a killer. Catwoman is the woman he would want to be with, even if he has the hots for the bad girl. I also feel the Cat and Bat have the best romance out of all of Bruce's loves, and I think he cares deeply for Catwoman, that isn't immediate like with Talia, but the 2 are just too perfect together in the grand scheme of it. However Batman's true love is his unending crusade.
Theres a voice message from vicki in wayne tower in AK. She acts as if he’s mad with her and not responding to her messages. She ends with “i miss u, brucie.”
I feel like Bruce definitely loved Talia more cuz if you played Arkham City you'll see some type of emotion in Bruce's voice when talking to Talia. Also not to mention how Talia sacrified herself to get the cure for Bruce. I feel like Catwoman was just a rebound for Bruce after Talia's death
I mean, Talia for city is at least in a somehow priority and relationship with Batman. Only reason why she lost is, well, she is dead. That makes part of how the stories move, and the result left in order to us to interpret takes us back to catwoman at the end. Is olnot like Bruce forgets, but eventually catwoman is the winner.
I think it's just that Dini wrote the animated series which left catwoman underdeveloped due to their scheduling and creative decisions so he naturally didn't focus on her as a love interest in the two arkham games. (she may have even been shoe horned in due to her content originally being a DLC and all). Knight was written by the head of Rocksteady who was probably more familiar with the classic Catwoman as love interest (also with Dark Knight Rises featuring her) so that game steered her more towards the love interest role.
*Bruce clearly loved, Talia.* Sure, he probably had some feelings with Selina, but those feelings were probably reduced to an acquaintance sort of relationship later on. I’m just annoyed that Oracle b**ches about Bruce having a relationship with another person while she dates Robin. Sure she’s an international assassin, but to refer the animated series, she shares her fathers vision, but she doesn’t share the same means to that vision.
She supports her father who is a terrorist. Whether she likes his methods or not she supports them and enables him. She I feel like you can't blame oracle for not liking her getting favoritism when she is far worse than some of his villains considering the level of crim Rahs is associated with
I think it is clear Talia is his love here. The way Oracle reacts implies that for whatever reason he just can't stay away from her. Cat Woman might be more interesting, I think it is clear that Arkham implies she is the love of his life. He clearly cares deeply for catwoman but most of that happens only after Talia is dead.
In Arkham City, Batman prioritized saving Talia over stopping Protocol 10. He put saving her life ahead of saving hundreds of people. Alfred had to talk him out of it and straight up refuse to follow his orders. That says a lot about how much Bruce cares about Talia.
My guy knows about Tom King's run but says he's never seen Batman tell anyone "I love you"... The Dialogue reads "I love you Bat", "I love you Cat" several times.
I guess that’s true considering Batman never kills him while Joker has unrequited feelings for him which is expressed through the crimes he commits in order to get his attention. You can find canon proof from that one panel where he says it’s a ‘date’. You can find another where Batman explains to Jason why he doesn’t kill and Joker responds, “Oh so you do think about me 😊”
The same can be said about Dick in the comics but outside of the comics it's mostly Kori. Even in video games injustice 2 and Gotham knights he might be dating be Kori there too, she emails Dick about a dinner date.
There's only one person he brought out of Arkham City bridal style when they died and mourned for several months. Fucking love Selena though, she's fun, flirty, sarcastic and adventurous.
In Arkham verse, he's definetly in love with Joker. Think about it, in the end of Arkham City, he's way devastated of Joker's death over Talia's death during few minutes! Even he carried his body like a gentleman outside and he left Talia's body on the theatre. Even in Arkham Knight, Joker is literally inside his mind as he still misses Joker.
In the game it seemed like a lot of Batman and Talia's relationship stemmed from shared experience during their youth and not real compatibility on the long run. For example Talia clearly tells him that if he doesn't join her then he needs to die while Selena throws away her goal to save him. Also it always feels like Selena is challenging him more than Talia while also being his ally, they seem to understand and accept each other a lot more. idk but imo the dynamic he has with Selena is more 'show don't tell' while with Talia it's more 'Tell don't show'. The arkham verse feels like it's only laying the groundwork for their relationship: A cat and mouse game in which their feelings become too strong to ignore. And grow into love strong enough to pull Bruce out of his many many tragedies and to help Selina see a life beyond survival and thievery.
Batman (especially Arkham) is a bit more in tune with his emotions and isn't yet so jaded about the mission. He still has some sympathy for all his villains though he still plays them hard. You can see it in moments with Mr. Freeze and others. He even wanted to save Joker, even after all he's done in both those games. So yes, he has feelings for Talia but I think he also wants to SAVE Talia and hasn't quite reached that point where he finally accepts that she won't ever leave her father or HIS mission. I also think this Batman doesn't know of Damian (he might've been made during that time they mention in Metropolis. So, yeah he's conflicted and pulled in different directions but she dies. Or "dies" I should say cuz we know how this goes.
@@Samuel152 that something is wrong. I played Origins, but that's a different Batman than the one that he is by the time Asylum and the others go around. That's Batman at the beginning (about 2+ years in) where as asylum is probably peak Batman. So not the same mindset or history with the villains yet..
@@moneygreen932 He's still Arkham Batman. Just because he's starting out doesn't exclude him from an overall review of his character; especially with the character development and growth. Batman in Origins is very emotional, being very angry and reluctant to accept help. While this doesn't affect his love life, this is very important to his character and shows his growth.
I know it's not present in the Arkham Series but I'll always be shipping batman and wonder woman. Their chemistry was great in the justice league series and I really liked how she changed him into a more open person just with her, and indulge in the small pleasures of life
