The vibe of the whole film (especially prior to Marvin Acme's murder) and "Bugsy Malone" are why I was low key obsessed with the 1940s growing up. Then I began to learn about history more and realized that being around at that time in reality would not have been so awesome for my demo LMAO
The movie is about internalized racism. Read more about it: library.csun.edu/virtual-exhibit/LAFR/documents/transcripts/celia_velazquez_podcast_transcription.pdf
It's also about the madness of American urban/transport planning. People like Robert Moses basically destroyed neighbourhoods and caused massive poverty in the name of running freeways through towns, though these freeways always tab through minority communities like Blacks, Jews or Norwegian populations who would not be able to raise political support to prevent the "economic progress" of a threat that does nothing but increase traffic congestion in the long term.
When this was rented out for me and my sister to watch, I was watching it by myself and when he got run over by the steamroller I was okay with it because getting run over by cars is something that has been seen before in cartoons, then when he was getting off the floor and fill himself with the air with his eye falling onto the floor I was beginning to get a little creeped. When he showed his face to the camera I started to get more creeped out and then when he started to talk with the crazy hand drawn eyes and high pitched voice I was totally and utterly scared beyond belief, ran out of my room to my parents in the living room crying with fear, they were wondering what was wrong with me. I was 6 or 7 when I watched this thing....
I remember being 13 years old sitting in a movie theatre with my 11 year old sister, just us two. And that part scared the everloving crap out of me!!!
The part that creeps me out most is when we first see Doom's flattened body slowly peel itself off the floor. It's probably the best example in the whole movie of how truly disturbing "cartoon physics" can be when removed from it's original context and applied to real life. Normally a toon would unfurl themselves in seconds and be back on their feet, but the way they linger on Doom slowly rising up, accompanied by visceral crackling and creaking noises like old rubber, not only helps the big reveal set in our minds but also highlights how truly unnatural and unnerving it is. The slow, soft piano music (I think it's a piano) gives this scene a dreamlike quality that quickly turns nightmarish.
Whats more creepy is that Doom's eyes When He misses Eddie with his disk-saw-hand thingy, his eyes looks like the snails eyes with this brain controlling parasite in it.
Actually there’s a comic book called Roger rabbit the Resurrection of doom. Where we learn his real name is baron von rotten and you do get to see his Toon form. Which looks exactly like his human disguise but more ape like.
@@zatchfan202 ACTUALLY....comics don't count. And honestly that idea sounds terrible and completely ruins the very effect this scene was going for. Baron von rotten? He from Lazy Town or something? Yeh, deffo not reading that comic
Tim Curry auditioned for this part. He didn't get it, but it wasn't because he was bad. Quite the opposite, it was because he was _too goddamned good._ He was absolutely fucking terrifying. So terrifying that the producers and director all had to take a minute and go, "This is way too good, we're going to traumatize an entire generation of kids, very very badly." So the part went to Chris Lloyd. Who was still terrifying. But man, what I wouldn't give to live in the universe where the movie runners were like, "you know what, fuck them kids" and we got to see Tim Curry's Judge Doom
Thus marks the one and only time in the movie that Judge Doom addresses Eddie Valiant by his first name. Up until this point, he always addressed him as Mr. Valiant.
Scenes like this is why Eddie Valiant is one of my all time favorite movie heroes. In the course of the movie, he overcomes a deep rooted prejudice, kicks his addiction to alcohol, and avenges his murdered brother. The way Eddie looks so scared of Doom when he sees those red eyes, but still fights and keeps his head. He’s a good man, a brave man, and damn good character.
Very well said. IMO Judge Doom was a literal demon of self-hatred...Not only because he was a toon who wanted to destroy other toons but he alone was the trigger for Eddie's alcoholism. Eddie hated himself for failing to save his brother, and ran away from who he was in a bottle. Eddie rediscovered his roots (as a Ringley Bros clown) and utilized them to defeat the weasels, then subsequently erased Judge Doom with toon comedy props.
And when you notice lines like "reign in the insanity" and "maniacal toon vehicle" upon re watching you gotta wonder if he was projecting.. And you notice that Judge Doom is an amalgamation of every cornball villain trope ever (a huge hint to what he is) He is *still* convincing and threatening as a serial killer! None of that takes you out of the movie!
@@tristanpetty7173 And after the dip is spilled at the bar, and the camera pans up to his expression ; serving "Marvin the Martian" energy. "(Almost) being disentergrated makes me VERY angry...VERY angry indeed." But considering he's a psycho the internal rant was probably far more unhinged.
>Literally unkillable other than one specific weakness (Paint Thinner) >Can spontaneously create dangerous weapons and objects out of nowhere >Can blend in with a human skinsuit like a replicant in bladerunner >Completely, absolutely insane Yeah, the idea of a Toon killer in a world where Toons and Humans share the same reality is absolutely terrifying when you think about it.
I remember reading how Bob Hoskins had to imagine that he was really talking to Roger and the other toons to the point he would hallucinate seeing them. Apparently it went on for months after the movie due to how intense it was in his acting to make sure that it came off like he was actually dealing with Roger and the others when there wasn't anyone else in the scene but him. Also how his children were mad that he got to work with Bugs Bunny along with the others and he never brought them home to see them was funny.
This makes me wonder what exactly Bob Hoskins was imagining/recalling *in this scene* since his terror is so palpable (he even weakly hyperventilates) I wonder if he ever had a near death experience in his youth in which he reacted this way and was told to recall it for this scene (Zemeckis reportedly told Hoskins to imagine the sexiest woman of all time in his scenes with Jessica.)
@Ms Anne Thropp he had an abusive relative and even when he was older before the relative was murdered he was still intimidated so he imagined like the relative came back to life
Eddy went from, "Oh he's a toon, sure" to sheer panic after one sentence. Seeing the hero run away in pure abject terror, the panic on his face was just as unsettling as the pieces of the toon we do get to see.
What's terrifying is that those red eyes and high pitched voice could have belonged to anyone or anything. We never even see what Doom looks like without that mask.
@Gabe_Gamer That's right. After Doom popped off his disguise, Eddie's look was like he was saying "oh my gosh, it's him, I recognize those boiling red eyes and that high squeaky voice" since he told Roger Rabbit that whichever toon killed his brother had boiling red eyes and a high squeaky voice.
@@saberiandream316 That's unknown because I'm sure Eddie knew how to defeat Doom once realizing he's a toon where Eddie knew that the "Dip" is the only way to have Doom killed and Eddie succeeded by using the pop out hammer to turn on the "Dip" machine.
@@afriendofbean He got lucky. There was no larger plan, he was just trying to survive, and fighting toons with a toonish item seemed like a good idea to stay alive. I don't think he was expecting it to hose off more Dip.
@@saberiandream316 Well that could be true but, he probably knew that the Dip would kill Doom after seeing that Doom was a toon feeling that the Dip was the only chance. Eddie of course was lucky to see that toon pop out hammer which was his only chance but, if he never saw it, I wonder what he was going to do since it wasn't as if Doom had him tied up on the floor so he would have to get up to try to defend himself.
@yoitsSmitty2004 Yeah. Considering they thought his performance was "Too disturbing" this scene could probably be even more creepy than it already was.
Christopher Lloyd never ceases to amaze me with his incredible versatility. He’s played everything from a toon to Uncle Fester on the Addams family movies to a Klingon warrior on Star Trek. Arguably the greatest character actor anywhere.
Judge Doom as a Toon twist was not just shockingly unexpected but also scary including that glaring daggers. He was finally got served in an ironic fashion when he got melt to death by the weapon(aka The Dip) he planned to wipe out the Toons, Wicked Witch of the West style. Thus, Eddie finally avenging not just his late brother but the poor shoe that Judge Doom killed earlier.
@@LucasLeguisamon-kl1rx oye ¿cuál es tu problema? Y no maldigas "verga"🤬 porque te daño ver la serie mexicana como El Señor de los Cielos, no voy a olvidar ese actor, yo extraño todavía mis tías Elda y Xotchil cuando murieron
That fact that his true form traumatized me as a kid easily places him as one of the most memorable movie villains of all time, if not among the greatest. He is a psychopath, kills toons without mercy or remorse, and can change the form of his arm like the Green Lantern or T-1000 at the drop of a hat. Easily one of the most dangerous villians.
@@SasuNaruL0vR80 Not just the eyes, I would say his psycho expression along with the removal of his hat showing his hair, and also his teeth added to it. A distinct transformation.
And at the end neither the audience nor the characters know what he even looks like under that human disguise. Considering how diverse toons are, that means Doom could be anyone or anything under that disguise which makes him terrifying. We don't know what he looks like or even what his motivations are outside of doing everything for his sadistic amusement
And unlike the other toons, he doesn't seem to be acting at all and is a genuine sociopath. Even ones like the Big Bad Wolf and Pete are portrayed more as cases of nice characters being casted in villain roles
Even after seeing Fire in the Sky at a younger age, nothing terrifies me as much as Judge Doom does when his voice starts breaking to reveal himself to Eddie
The part that scared me the most when I was a kid wasn't so much the part when his voice got super high pitched, but how his eyes would pop out of his head and pulsate in sync with his voice. That gave me nightmares the first time I watched this lol
I like how you can see Eddie as he watches Doom melt, his face is a mixture of horror, having already seen what the Dip did to that poor shoe, and righteous fury at having avenged R.K. Maroon, Marvin Acme, and especially his brother Teddy.
Not wanting to see any *real* harm come to any toon was always a big aspect of Eddie's character, especially in Act III of the film when he's his "old sober self" again. Ironically, it's one of the reasons why Judge Doom was able to kill Teddy Valiant. Apparently, neither brother considered that they may *have* to hurt the robber (with diluted paint thinner) in order to protect themselves. Therefore Eddie blamed/hated himself for it and also felt so betrayed by the toon community that he wanted nothing to do with them, leading to alcoholism to cope with all of that. Eddie showing some sign of being disturbed by even the most loathsome of toons dying is evidence that all of his bitterness is gone.
@Stefano Pavone Probably due to the fact that he sees Doom's agonized hybrid face...That mask/hood on electric chairs was for the witnesses for a reason.
@Kei Fox That's correct especially maybe Eddie has felt that his toon hating days are over now that he found out who the real toon murderer was that murdered his brother and proved it to Roger Rabbit by kissing him.
I'm just now learning that Judge Doom's high pitched voice was provided by Corey Burton, one of my favorite voice actors. He may have only had one line, but it was very memorable nonetheless! His delivery of that single line still haunts me even years after first seeing this movie. Edit: Two lines when you include Doom's death scene.
I like like how your first big hint that Doom is a toon is that half his body was already flattened yet there was no blood. Even after the roller reached his head, there was still no splatter like Eddie was expecting which was why he turned away.
There are lots of hints that allude to his identity: -He wears all black clothing that looks rather outdated. His skin is also unnaturally pale and he has unnaturally white teeth, making him look like a caricature brought to life. -He never blinks onscreen -He speaks in a much more theatrical performance hinting that he's a normally hammy toon trying to pass off as human -His cape always blows with the wind even when he's indoors. -His aversion to the dip by putting on not one, but two gloves.
Right? I was surprised to see so many people in another forum say that Doom getting ran over was the scariest part. At this point I was familiar enough with toon tropes to figure out that he was a toon...It was everything that came after his inflation that I could not deal with.
The scream when he was getting run over sounded fake. I was scared the most by the red eyes and the buzz saw hand because of how close he got to sawing Eddie in Half.
totally! the high pitch voice and toon eyes somehow made it even more horrific it still freaks me out (I'm in my 30s!) but at the same time is my fave line from a movie villain
@@SasuNaruL0vR80 ever heard the phrase horror loses its power to frighten when repeated too often? It’s a quote from the neverending story by Michael Ende.
3:54-4:06 I always knew that Judge Doom deserved it and was happy to see him defeated. However, I've seen some grisly movie death scenes growing up (including ones from horror films) but for the longest time *this one* always frightened and bothered me to the point of being unwatchable for years and giving me nightmares. Now I know why, it's the rapid oscillation and subsequent merging, between expressions. Doom's convincingly human expression of agony then cartoonish expression of fear and pain, then finally a cursed blend of the two, at the same time...Then of course the screaming and whimpering and convulsions at the end don't help; forcing me to register the abomination as having a life, and feelings.... This is why learning who the actor was destroyed the fear : then re watching in my teens I was like "Ah yes, Christopher Lloyd is being extra ; this is normal."
I specifically came back to this one clip in order to see what I feared so much about it as a kid. Watching it now it seems so silly but back then I just couldn't. I really loved this movie as a kid but the ending always scared me. I used to repeat movies a lot as a kid but this vhs movie was one I watched only twice.
@@sakumaFR I was the same way growing up with movies. I would re watch WFRR about 75% of the way through and then after the Toontown sequence I'd turn it off, because I...I just couldn't deal. Even seeing Judge Doom in his human guise on screen during the "Freeway" monologue filled me with anxiety and dread because I knew what was coming.
I didn't remember this scene, the one that completely tortured me as a kid was the friggin shoe getting dipped mouth first and just pleading for its life with its eyes
@@iliakatster That scene actually bothered me more the older I got. Because when I was real little I would always turn my head/shut my eyes right before it made contact with the dip, so I didn't notice all of the details of the shoe's suffering until I was 10+ or so.
I watched this movie so many times as a kid that I can remember when Judge Doom played by Christopher Lloyd was killed by the late Bob Hoskins I was rooting for that especially after Judge Doom murdered that poor squeaky shoe I felt that him melting by the same toxic dip was justifiable.
The toon dress up as Christopher Lloyd was killed by Bob Hoskins. While the real Christopher Lloyd was preparing to reprise his role as Doc Brown in the next two Back to the Future films
As I get older, the more I appreciate the special effects in older movies like this one. Nowadays, people tend to take them for granted, but when you think about it, it's amazing how such impressive effects were even possible at all back then thanks to the outside-the-box thinking applied by the filmmakers.
This scene was pure nightmare fuel for me as a 6 year-old. I STILL can't believe the stuff they got away with putting in kids' films in the 80s and 90s.
We were psychologically tougher back then, before the helicopter parents and their snowflake spawn started shielding everything from even the slightest hint of fear.
@@sethraelthebard5459 Plus, you know, just that the 1990s was a more peaceful and complacent time. It was after the Cold War, and after civil rights marches of the sixties. We really had a lot of prospects going for us back then. Before our so-called leaders pissed it all away on greed and ego.
@@sethraelthebard5459 Back then there were also no internet forums full of "Million Moms" Karens starting smear campaigns against films & shows claiming that Hollywood is out to corrupt their children. When that stuff started happening, then PG films *really* turned into "Practically G". Even PG films of the early to mid 2000s have content that wouldn't fly today. Example : "The Incredibles" 2004 vs. "The Incredibles 2" 2018 (both of which are "PG")
I like this movie and I seen it when I was little and it's my favorite movie from my childhood and it's a good movie but not funny about this movie and it's still a good movie but not funny about this movie and do you agree with me about what I say right
I was ten when this first came out. I was already really liking the movie, but as a kid, this was some twist, and cemented my love for the film. One of the funniest, weirdest, coolest fight scenes, and remembered being on the edge of my seat with excitement and anticipation. Showed the movie to my daughter back when she was about 6 or 7 a few years ago. Her mouth dropped open when she saw Doom get up as toon, and she mouthed the words: "What the?" Great to know it still captivates the mind of a child.
@@melissacooper8724 I was too intent on watching her mouth drop open and feeling that childish glee in me being able to see it again through her expression upon him getting up as a toon, that I don't remember her reaction to Doom's high pitched squeal and confession. But every time I try and decide which part hits the high note for me (no to pun to Doom's squeal), I think it's the whole package of the whole scene - as a kid, you haven't even gotten over the first really big plot twist (Doom's a toon) before another one is thrown at you (Doom is the toon that killed Eddie's brother). It's so intense, exciting, thrilling, sad (for Eddie) but thrilling (now Eddie can get revenge), it's so hard to put into words other than it was pure magic.
several things scared me as i grew older and rewatched this movie: The way Doom says 'when I killed your brother, I talked just like THIS' means Doom was probably listening to Eddie when he was talking about his brother's death in the theatre scene. Secondly, the more you watch this movie knowing the plot twist, the more details you notice indicating that Doom's actually a toon. Like the way he puts on a glove before putting that poor toon shoe in the Dip around the movie's beginning, at first you'd think he just doesn't wanna get dirty, but then you know it's because he doesn't wanna get hurt either- same for that scene in the bar where Eddie spills Dip on the ground and Doom quickly backs away.
Doom wasn't anywhere near that theatre to hear that conversation. Otherwise he would have made certain that Roger got detained then subsequently dipped. The Valiants had a strong reputation in the toon community so when the then unknown toon grand larcenist (who later called himself "Judge Doom") crushed one of the Valiants with a piano, he already *knew* that they were brothers. Doom's comment at the end of his introduction scene "I would think YOU of all people would appreciate that" is alluding to the fact that Doom *knows* that a toon murdered Eddie's brother in the same manner as Marvin Acme. Eddie doesn't suspect anything at this point because with the lack of respect the LAPD is giving him, he assumes that someone told Doom about his brother's murder. However the deleted scene ("Pighead Sequence") shows that Doom knew about Eddie's Toontown PTSD (a big reason to delete the scene. It gave away too much)
Don't forget that the fact that we never even see what Doom looked like under that disguise. Not even the other toons knew what he looked like. Let that sink in
Especially Eddie who encountered him in 1942 while investigating the Toontown bank robbery (the case eventually went cold since he disappeared into Toontown after killing Teddy Valiant with no leads)
This movie is definitely not funny not funny at all and I seen it when I was little and it's my favorite movie from my childhood and it's a good movie but not funny about this movie and it's still a good movie but not funny about this movie and who agree with me about what I say
The whole music in the background at 2:35 seriously fits perfect with christopher lloyd!! Having the same musicians in the background in roger rabbit and back 2 the future, chris really pulls it off perfect as Doc and Judge Doom
The music is by Alan Silvestri did Back To The Future, II and III and the music background does sound like in the film but they did a good job in Who Framed Roger Rabbit and it was a best music in the film
I had this movie on VHS as a kid in the 90's and I don't know how many times I've watched it. In my opinion, this is one of the best movies of all time. It's from 1988 and it holds up well today 2024...wtf.
Once in my classroom everyone was talking about this movie and how it is amazing and I said that this movie traumatized me which was this scene in particular and they were saying how it isn't scary at all but looking back at this scene I don't know what they were talking about. It also didn't help watching this movie when I was 8 and it gave me nightmares for a while.
Head Canon : Sweet Pete was (indirectly) a victim of Judge Doom's evil, because humans took the events of this film as a lesson that creating toons with free will *and immortality* is a terrible idea, therefore the next generation of toons were given the ability to age.
I hadn't noticed until now, but the way Doom dies and his screams seem to be a nod to the death of the Wicked Witch in The Wizard of Oz, who melts when water is poured on her.
I remember seeing this at the cinema when I was eight. I literally froze with terror when Judge Doom was revealed as a toon. I couldn't watch the film without freezing for several years.
It also cracks me up how Judge Doom puts his hands on the roller as if trying to stop it from crushing him. A vehicle that size easily weighs at least 20 to 30 tons and requires, at minimum, a 100 to 150 horsepower engine. There's no way even ten Judge Dooms could have stopped a vehicle of that size and power by putting their hands on that front wheel.
On that note - did anyone notice that whenever Judge Doom is kicking or pushing at the front roller, it vibrates and shakes just from the impact of his hand and foot? Also, when it's rolling over him, you can even see it lift up a few inches before settling after it passes. That's how you can tell that the steamroller used in the movie isn't even a real vehicle (according to the DVD commentary, it was basically just a large aluminum prop built for the production).
Toons are not exactly masters at critical thinking and self-awareness lol. That and he could be compelled to have those mannerisms because toons are slaves to doing what's funny, even when not in their best interest.
Me too and it's my favorite movie from my childhood and I seen it when I was little and it's my favorite movie from my childhood and it's a good movie but not funny about this movie and it's still a good movie but not funny about this movie and do you agree with me about what I say right
He never sleeps. He says that he will never die. He dances in light and in shadow and he is a great favorite. He never sleeps, the judge. He is dancing, dancing. He says that he will never die.
I was terrified when I first saw this movie. I even had a nightmare where Judge Doom was chasing me like he did with Eddie...ugh just remembering it upsets me...
I must say I watched this when I was a kid and I am watching it again a few years later and it still scars the **** out of me. Judge dooms voice and the way he looks .😱.
What makes him truly terrifying is that we never even see what he looks like under that disguise or anything about his origins for that matter (aside from non canon comics). The only things we see are his eyes and limbs. Everything else about him is a mystery. We also don't know where he came from or what his motives are outside of sadism. He's just... there
The look on Bob Hoskin's face when the reveal happens is a great moment of acting, if this was an action movie or any other movie type really the main character would have a look of murderous rage on their face seeing the person that took their loved one from them but here it's fear. Because unlike those movies where the hero would beat the villain to death or some other method of revenge the hero has no method on hand to enact his revenge because aside from The Dip there is no way to kill a toon. It's also a great depiction of trauma where the main character is having a flashback to what is one of the worst days of his life. Bob Hoskin's performance in this movie is one of the greatest I've ever seen and I've seen some pretty good ones, it's a shame he didn't win an Oscar for it.
@Stanley Brown's Gaming Channel I mean, Doom sacrificed his own immortality by inventing Dip in the first place. Nobody asked for Dip to exist. It would have cost him zero simoleons to *not* create it. Yet he did anyhow all because he wanted the entirety of his own species to suffer the fate that ultimately befell him. I could view his character as a whole and his death as "tragicomic" but he brought it all on himself.
(Doom staggers towards a gas cylinder and reinflates himself. As he does so his eyes pop out and land on the floor. When he turns around his eyes are red and he starts to speak in an increasingly high-pitched voice.)
