@@StephAnya what the difference between a LPC and a Therapist? I live in California. I want to simply give people advice, whether it’s school problems, boyfriend problems, peer pressureing problems, friendship problems, etc... so I’m other words I wanna listen to my clients problems and give the best advice I can to my clients.. is that considered a therapist? Or a LPC?
Thank you for your video. I would like to say that I know PLENTY of social workers with their masters degree, with about two years of experience, who are not licensed that make between 60k-100k. Within regular jobs like the ones you mentioned (school social work). There is a BIG misconception that social workers don’t make good money. I understand you are just mentioning the average. But still, most people aren’t aware that social workers are getting paid more and more the more we are recognized. And there are soooooo many positions we can work in. This misconception is instilled in grad school as well. When I was getting my MSW, we were told by professors to expect to make around 35-45k. I’ve NEVER made under 55k with my masters. Hope this helps break down this myth!
Piggybacking on your comment to underscore that there is a big misconception that social workers don't make money. I'm in NYC and a LCSW here charges the same as a Licensed Psychologist (Ph.D). They rent offices in the same suites, and aside from the credentials after their name (LCSW-R vs. Ph.D. vs. Psy.D) there is no discernible difference. School social workers here make an average upwards of $95K. In medical social work, it's upwards of 80K, and in private practice, sky's the limit. I share because in my experience (and from remaining close to my graduating cohort) I can say that the social workers I know ultimately went on to earn 6 figure salaries either as LMSW's or LCSW's in private practice, schools, hospitals or supervisors of agencies. Just offering up another perspective to help dispel some of the myths.
I’m starting to get nervous about the pay in this profession. I’m towards the end of my MFT masters program but really considering going back to get NP or PA degree which would be a second masters to feel more financially stable. I love psychology I’m hoping to be able to incorporate it.
Can someone with a master degree in public health biotechnology enter the field of psychiatrists, if yes how can one do it cause am currently interested in psychiatrists
Graduated from my MSW program May 2022. 2 months post grad I got my first job at $60,000 (salary ). During my intership /school year I intentionally made sure to seek out hospital /medical experience for my intership. I’m very happy with my pay -especially since I’m technically coming in with less than 3 years of clinical /SW experience-which is mainly from my intership .
Psychiatric Mental Health Nurse Practitioner (PMHNP) can do everything. They can do the nursing, therapy, and diagnosis of all mental health disorders. Also, prescribe medication in all areas
@@LordPhroz3nGhost I just started my first position and it pays okay. I was able to get higher than the entry level pay luckily. The money comes after the licensure because at that point you can do private practice and charge your own prices and after licensure you can become a supervisor and charge for that. Don't come out of school expecting to make 80k unless you get a part time and/or some side hustles. I think accepting that now will help you.
@@ennoviaed140 I'd rather not announce my salary but from the research I did in the south east where I am (alabama, ga, tn) entry level ( just a masters no associates license) can range between 28k and 45k. You cant get your associates license until you are working for an agency and have a licensing supervisor. After that and with experience you can start making more. Hope this helps.
Thus video was very helpful. Im graduating in June with my Masters in School Counseling and I just applied to the advanced clinical mental health program at LIU.
Hey! I'm currently in grad school for Mental Health Counseling. How did you take notes during your program? Were you a hand note person or were you a digital note person when it came to retaining and remembering content. How did you do it?
Hi I'm in grad school too, note taking is the best vs electronic imo. I also write/highlight and underline in my textbooks! How many more years do u have and what will ur degree be in?
In grad school I took hand notes and I sectioned everything by topic, I used color coded tab markers and dividers in my binder and text books. I used flash cards for studying too! Breaking my material down by topic helped a lot. I also used colored pens too and highlighters! I know that last tip seems a bit weird lol, but the colors helped keep my attention! I know you asked Ms. Steph, but I hope this helps! Fellow therapist here. ♥️
@@BlessedByTheeMostHigh Hey!! Thank you so much! Let me subscribe to your channel love a melanated therapist!!! Question when you say topics? Can you give an example. Also did you have to take the CPCE upon Graduation? Do you have an email so we can connect?
Thank you so much for making these videos! I am currently getting my BA in Human and Family Development & Women & Gender Studies & i am seriously considering getting my MA is MFT once I'm done with undergrad. Were you in school when you got married?
Hi Steph! Do you think you could do a video series on the DSM? I don’t feel I am extremely knowledgeable on DSM and diagnosing . I’ll be graduating in 3 months and i’m still a bit intimidated by this part of the job . Thanks !
Did you get information on this? What was helpful for me was when studying for mft exam using the tdc they walk you through the dsm and diagnosing. I am not an associate mft and feel like diagnosing is a strong suit of mine
Great video, very informative! Are you aware of how transferring a license across state borders work? For example, if I’m licensed in NY LMHC and I move to New Jersey for work, is it a smooth transition?
Love your videos! I just wanted to clarify, that an NP is not an RN, though they do have RN credentials and could work as an RN if they wanted, they are actually APRNs - Advanced Practice Registered Nurses with a Master's degree at minimum.
and in many states, Psych NPs can practice independently, functioning quite closely and even making the same diagnoses that Psychiatrists do - and participating in research at the doctorate (DNP) level. NPs are often focused on med management but are also qualified to provide psychotherapy. Just sharing because I spent lots of time and deliberation on whether to take the therapist or NP path. :-) Again, love your channel and I really appreciate that you addressed NPs!
Here in CA NP’s must have an RN license and their licensure is within our states Board of Registered Nursing. They are required to take and pass a board exam for nurse practitioner, whereas Advanced Practice RN’s (APRN’s) typically do not. It depends upon which state you live in but NP’s are required to be RN’s with working experience, as a prerequisite to being accepted into an NP program.
@@jocelynnhunter6383 Same here; but I’m leaning toward counseling/therapist path because the thought of taking chemistry/bio medical courses drained me; which is big if taking the nursing route. My undergrad is in philosophy, so I like the reasoning/theorotical more so and most if not all therapy derived from philosophy.
It's also worth noting that psychiatrist can only see referred patients by another md (like a gp) most psychologists or any other therapist cannot refer a patient to an md only md's can, also from what I've noticed paediatric psychiatrists earn more then other clinical psychiatrists as the same with psychologists paediatrics get paid more. I am doing my masters in adolescent counselling and childhood cognitive psychotherapy once complete I'll be able to open a private practice and not only do counselling but also do behavioural therapy for the young which is so cool, in my country there isn't much competition as behavioural therapy isn't widely taken up so I'm excited 😁
No. Psychologist with a PsyD. Tend to do clinical work with clients. Psychologists with a Ph.D. tend to do more research and assessments, though both do both. One thing you didn’t mention is all of us compared to Life coaches. All of us therapists tend to undervalue our worth, while coaches overvalue their worth, especially since most have little education and training and are unregulated. But good video overall. Thank you.
@steph Hi thank you for all this information. I'm looking into earning an MSW in hopes to become an LCSW/therapist. However , I do not want to work in direct action social work. Therefore , I’m lost if i should choose between MFT or MSW. I heard i should choose MSW because i can practice therapy (have all the benefits of MFT ) and still have other avenues to look into . Also , people told me LCSW could possibly make more than LMFT . However , I do not know if that is true ?
Hi Dannette! Social workers do have more settings that they can work in because they can do things like residential work for example. Employment opportunity is highly dependent on location, so if you’re hearing that from people in your community it’s likely true. Research counseling jobs and see what credentials they’re looking for in your community to see if LCSW comes up more often.
Im just seeing this. 😅Thank you for this! This is awesome information! Just FYI if anyone is looking 4 yrs ago and currently hospitals do pay well but you will have to be licensed. Once you're license and the more years of experience you have the more you can negotiate pay. I was getting 80 the $107,000 a year and at my top pay $140,000 once telehealth came to be a standard. And now I have my private practice and have more control over my pay if I stay in private practice or if I decide to go back into industry pay. It appears the sweet spot for pay is license, years of experience, state, work setting /range and what your prior pay was. I also noticed that Google tended to be behind in terms of what the pay range was where I worked. Good luck!
Hey Steph Anya! I really appreciate how simple and easy-to-understand you made this. Especially without giving any specific number. Also, regarding your voice, sounds like you had a great time this weekend!!
Hey I just graduated and I’m really not sure what to get my masters in or what tract to take. I love the field but I’m very worried about salary. I live in New Jersey. Any suggestions?
I’ve really been contemplating the pay for this profession. It doesn’t make sense to me to be in school so long and get paid at the low end of salary. I love psychology and have always had a passion in it but starting to give up on the licensed practical nurse counselor title. Leaning now more towards NP either for psych or for mental health just because I still want to be part of that community and still give therapy but still make decent amount of money. Anyone have any advice?? I feel like a broken record player trying to figure out my career.
@@hallemarinaccio8496 I know you have to be a nurse first ): like Bsn and work a few years in the nursing too. That’s the only thing holding me back from going that route.
I really wanted to be a therapist, why are they so low on the list?? They're the ones that deal with the emotionally taxing side of things. Maybe I'll be an NP or a psychiatrist.
How much do private practice therapists actually pocket from a session? For example, if a client pays $200, how much does the therapist earn in income, after business costs like office time/space?
Depends on the therapist overhead, how much they charge per session, clients per week. In my office therapist make upwards of 3500 a week in California. That’s cash pay clients and insurance.
LCPC can be certified (depending on location) for comprehensive assessments, which is a SERIOUS boost to your client base if you work with kids because now you can do both testing and treatment with kids from say a school system but often without the crazy waitlist for a PsyD or Psychiatrist.
I would strongly disagree with this pyramid. From personal experience seeing LPCC they make more money sometimes than Psy D practitioners. It really depends how you run your private practice.
In every state, the title of Psychologist is a protected title. You can't use it until you're licensed as a Psychologist. So the Doctorate alone is not enough.
Thank you so much for this video! I’m currently in my masters program for counseling, and this is the first time I’ve been able to understand the difference between professions clearly
I do have question? I know this video is 3yrs old but what do you think about Masters in Clinical Mental Health Counseling ? I am torn betweeen that and Masters in Social Work
I’m a Licensed Mental Health Counselor, it really depends on what you want to do and what state you work in. I work in a state where I’m able to do the same jobs as an SW I’ve worked in a hospital, for the government, school, health insurance. I know for many people it’s expressed that SWs have more lobbying and have been a round longer so they’re able to get jobs every and anywhere.
Is the hourly pay for a full time position 40hrs a week (so 1800 a week)? Or is it just based on how many clients u have? So if you have 4 clients a day would that be $180 on the low end?
Hi. I appreciate this breakdown and the information you shared. I'd like to add from the perspective of someone who is in the psychology profession that according to a 2015 survey conducted by the American Psychological Association about 89% of psychologists in America are clinicians providing treatment for a wide range of issues including the most severe mental health concerns. Additionally, as someone with a background in clinical, organizational, and forensic psychology these added areas in which we can work in the judicial system, or with companies as industrial and/or organizational psychologists dealing with non-psychiatric issues (such as personnel decisions, marketing, etc.) also gives added opportunities for a broad range of income opportunities for psychologists. Keep up the excellent work!
I’d love to hear about submitting the bbs form to request AMFT # also any other help on life after graduation would be great as well. I finished my program yesterday and will be graduating within the next two weeks. I’m a bit overwhelmed to be honest 😅 its all so new and not much help exist out there
It’s similar in Nevada when working for someone else. I feel it’s similar in private practice after breaking down the therapist fee into all necessary expenses to operate.
Thank you! Like you said, it's a profession so salary does matter to some degree. I'm about to get my bachelor's and I've been really considering what to do next. Thanks for the info!
You had said that most of the work a Psychologist does (has Psy D or PhD) is psychological assessments or research but they can also do counseling psychology on the side. Does most of the work end up being psychological assessments/research because doing those jobs pay better? I am more interested in providing therapy than doing assessments/research but in order to open more opportunities up I would pursue being a psychologist. However, I would want more of my work to be providing therapy instead of doing assessments and research.
Sorry for the confusion. They definitely do psychotherapy. The assessments are just something that they can do in addition that many others cannot! You can absolutely focus on providing therapy.
@@dontknow7796 psychiatrists these days usually do more of med checks. Med checks consist of explaining different medications to patients and make sure the medication is working for the patient. The reason being is because psychiatrists are allowed to prescribe medications while 99% of the other medical health professionals can not. Usually psychologists and other master level clinicians do psychotherapy. Psychiatrists can do some psychotherapy it’s just not as common due to what Heath insurance companies are willing to pay.
They do not. Half the time I am getting emails to "collaborate or supervise" NPs. Not the same education and not the same thing. No matter how many times you say it, it is not true.
My end goal is to get my PSY.D . I have a bachelors in psychology but I don’t know the route to take for masters . My grandma is saying I should get a msw but I told her most people who get a msw get a LCSW not psyD.
Thanks for the information. I just started grad school this summer. I feel like giving up because I heard that after getting my MASTERS, they still want you do get 2 trs of clinical hrs in order to be fully licensed in NC. I am too old to be lagging my time. What if I don't pass? But, this MASTERS contains a school track too. I am afraid school counselors doesn't get paid enough. What do you think I should do? Give or its it worth all the student loan debt and get nowhere? Thanks!
The years are going to pass anyways. You might as well just do it. I thought the same thing. I’m 22 and just started school unlike many of my high school classmates who went straight from high school. I’m going to be in school for the next seven years
@@godness7770 I just started college and I’m going to be a psychiatric nurse practitioner so I can practice therapy this way and it takes a total of 6-7 years
@@CeCe-os3ul awesome 👌 I'm super proud of you! GOOD luck 👍 I just had to drop my classes this summer because my dad just passed and other things. I hope to go back. If not, then I will go for something else.
I live in California, I want to be a therapist, I want to give advice and listen to people’s problems... and I’ll fix it by giving them advice... is that a therapist? Or is that a LPC? what’s the difference between a LPC and a therapist? @Steph Anya, MFT
I know it can all be so confusing. You can do that as both a therapist and LPC! Counselor and therapist can be somewhat interchangeable when it comes to certain jobs. In this case, if you want to know the specifics of what it means to be an MFT, check out my “What is Marriage & Family Therapy?” video!
Hey! Join us! :) I was about to type this as well. Therapy or counseling is not about giving advice. It's about guiding a client through psychologically and/ or scientifically based methods/ theories to work through healing- setting goals, developing treatment plans, etc.
@@neya292 yeah, it’s all of that. Giving clients advice, guiding them, having them realize what they need to do, helping them with their psychological problems, mental problems etc. it’s all of that. Lol
PMHNP student at Vanderbilt. Going to correct you a bit. We have the same scope of practice as a psychiatrist and are trained across the lifespan to assess, diagnose and prescribe for all mental illnesses including bipolar and schizophrenia not just "anxiety and depression". It is also in our scope of practice to perform psychotherapy and provide coping skills to clients but most do focus on medication management. We also conduct and contribute to current evidence based practice research just like psychiatrists. Many have Doctorate in Nursing Practice degrees and can also refer to themselves as "doctor" if we have the DNP title. If doing so it is just important to clarify license such as physician (psychiatrist), PMHNP, or psychologist. We can have our own private practice in most states and are employed in a variety of settings including inpatient psych hospitals with more acute patients.
Typically a bachelor's in psychology isn't considered a terminal degree/professional degree. There are some places that will hire at the bachelor's level in psych.. (for example some drug/alcohol counseling programs). If you're considering getting a bachelor's, a BSW (Bachelor's of Social Work) is a good choice. BSW's can achieve some level of licensure in most states, and can usually work in a variety of settings right after graduation. Also BSW's can transfer a huge amount of credits towards their MSW, shortening the time to get the masters. If I had to do it all over again, I'd get a BSW then an MSW over a BA then Masters in Counseling.
I went the nurse practitioner route to be a therapist. I can do therapy as an NP. And it gives me more flexibility in what I can do. I’m still in school.
@ Steph I am a LPN and I am finishing my Masters degree in counseling. I keep getting low pay. What is a good route to go in counseling.I am doing my minor in Marriage and Family Therapy. I had a few interviews for addiction counselors but very low pay for my field in Illinois. Considering going back to Arizona.
I am also a nurse looking to get into counseling and therapy. Wondering how it's been since your comment. I see it's been 5 months since u posted your comment.
@@lotusflower21 I am doing other things as well. What are your degree levels . Graduate Levels.Undergraduate Levels.I am soon to be working on my Psy D in the fall. Looking for a teacher level job until I finish my degree.
@@lotusflower21 I see where are you located? I think you should pursue BSN and go into psych nursing. You get paid about 36-50 hourly with a BSN. A Bachelor in psych probably would only lead back to you working as a nurse. Not sure if what you are planning to do with a nursing degree and a psych degree. Need more info. You will need to further educate yourself with a Master degree perhaps in nursing . If you want to make more money.
